New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church

[Larry Lyons]

Cp, It can probably safely assumed that Pope Francis is a Marxist. Former Jesuit and Vatican insider Malachi Martin wrote that a majority of Jesuits were Marxist, especially the ones in South America. His social justice rhetoric fits with the Vatican II statements. I believe that certain American politicians as well as leaderss of some other nations make similar statements

[Pastor Mel]

Careful here MayMee! Satan wants to distroy our confidence in God's Word. Don't be a spokesman for him.
I suggest that you prayerfully read Ecclesiastes 5:1&2

[Ed Sutton]

Quoting MayMee

   We have been in Laodicean state long enough! Repent and do your first work. And cleans our churches for Babylonian doctrines. God never mix light with darkness. Fear God All mighty that can take your life, and your eternal life....   

I agree, we have been poor, blind, naked too long  100+ yrs too long.  Jesus promised us that if we did not repent He would move our candlestick out of it's place.  For some He is doing just that. 

Proverbs 20:27  The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

Job 18:6  The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him.

Job 29:3  When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;

Psalms 18:28  For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness.

Jeremiah 25:10  Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.


Luke 11:36  If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Isaiah 50:11  Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

1 John 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 Jesus promised us that if we did not repent He would move our candlestick out of it's place.  For some He is doing just that.  Using SOP - ( solomon candle* = 5 hits )

Jesus removed Solomon's ability to know Him and retain his former wisdom - till he repented and started doing his ( "first works" = 170 hits )

Jesus also said :  both through Moses & in Person

Deuteronomy 10:12  And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13  To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD’S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15  Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16  Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.


Matthew 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html   

(1.) How many SDA's can explain Fearing God from Scripture ?   It's our message

(2.) How many SDA candles are missing and they don't care ?   ( have become the silver coins of the parable,<Luke 15:7-10 & {COL 192.3-193.3} >, the poor lost sheep trapped in the thorn bush shivering in the rain, knows he is helpless and cries out, but the coins sleep on. )

(3.) How many NAD & developed country urban - SDA's - understand and apply all three parts of the Sanctuary ?

( This GYC 2014 sermon by Pastor Shin explains my last question.  #3. )
His sermon starts at minute 49:11
  http://youtu.be/JzjFVnb_Qbs

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Ezekiel 34:   ( Jesus Christ is that Lord & He is being quoted by Ezekiel )
1 ¶  And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2  Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4  The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

Ezekiel 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

[ColporteurK]

 I believe "fear" God has a deeper meaning than the Sabbath school  lesson beings out. If it simply means "reverence" then why did the translators choose "fear" instead of "reverence?" I  liken the "fear" God as  something compared to,however on a much lesser scale, to a US fighter jet skimming the tree tops above and breaking the sound barrier before cutting away and flying straight up and away. The ground shakes. The trees are whipped. Those below crouch down and plug their ears while looking up. They are not afraid that the jet is going to attack but the sheer power, noise, and swift maneuvering of the aircraft leaves an impact that the word "reverence" or "respect" would not adequately  describe. One can "reverence" the Word of God and we should. People "respect" the police force. " Fear God" takes on the connotation of awesome to the point of making one tremble. I also believe it is not wise to omit that this includes  fear of punishment. Mrs. White trembled when she saw the frown of God because she was softening her messages of warning. I don't think we should dismiss that part of "fear." That part of fear should not be key or long time motivator however those who that think they can live in disobedience  and be saved have every reason to fear the frown of God.

[Tammy]

I think you're right, CP, about fear of God.  Many years ago I heard a sermon by Leslie Hardinge where he agreed with what you're saying, I think.  He said that all kinds of people "stand on their exegesisical heads" trying to make it mean "reverence."  But he explained that it doesn't.  He gave an example of how he felt about his father: he respected him but he "feared what he could do to him."

In my thinking the words "a healthy fear" explain what he was saying.

[Ed Sutton]

Fearing God = 466+ verses in KJV ,  reverence in not excluded but is way too short, start with Deut 10:12-13, the lookup fear* in proverbs, and all minor prophets, it's a start.

Use Scripture's uses as actual definitions.   More later > off to work.

[ColporteurK]

Yes, it seems that "fear God" rightly understood is a comprehensive description with depth.

 "Stand in intense awe of to the point of hesitating to approach,"
 "greatly admire,"
  in street terms " blown away by",
  "compelled  to please",
 "fear to disappoint",
 being afraid to be punished by.

[Ed Sutton]

"Fear God" = 10 Texts
fear* the Lord = 190 Bible Texts
"fearing God" = 1 Bible Text
"feareth God" = 5 Bible Texts
"fear of God" = 8 Bible Texts
fear* God as a word search = 125 Bible Texts
"My Fear" = 4 Bible Texts
"Fear* Me" = 6 Bible Texts
"he fear* " = 10 Bible Texts
"they fear* " = 23 Bible Texts
" fear* not " = 71 Bible Texts
fear* merc* - a word search = 10 Bible Texts 9 that apply to fearing God

Ramifications affecting "fearing God" >  Jesus had no sins or idols between Him & God = Love and trust.

Sailors tossing Jonah over the side - plenty of sins and idols between them and God = guilt and terror.

Hebrews 5:7  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Proverbs 16:6  By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

Fearing God & obeying God - two similar sides of same coin

Deuteronomy 4:10  Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

Deuteronomy 14:23  And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

Deuteronomy 17:19  And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:

Deuteronomy 31:12  Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

Deuteronomy 31:13  And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Psalms 34:11  Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
Psalms 86:11  Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

[Tammy]

Yes, it seems that "fear God" rightly understood is a comprehensive description with depth.

 "Stand in intense awe of to the point of hesitating to approach,"
 "greatly admire,"
  in street terms " blown away by",
  "compelled  to please",
 "fear to disappoint",
 being afraid to be punished by.

These are good summary phrases.

Ed, yes, big topic!  Lots of food for thought you've presented.

[Ed Sutton]

Spiritual Formation is darkness, let in the light, because light destroys darkness. 

RE "Fearing God" according to Bible definition look up these. ( angel legal* = 7 hits)  {MB 109.1 - 110.1} {ST, December 30, 1889 par. 4}  {YI, September 29, 1892 par. 7}  {9MR 210.2}

What is the very first - Fruit of the Spirit listed, what is the last and foundational character facet of Peter's Ladder <  > ?, what chapter promises "that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God ?    What is the nature of Biblically Fearing God ?   Deut 10:12-13  <0157> (8800)

[ColporteurK]

 Our new pastor to be, fresh out of Walla Walla, is promoting "Social Justice" in his sermons.  It is coming into our churches fast. It is basically socialism and redistribution of wealth focusing away from prophecy and on humanitarianism. It is a diversion. It is a palatable thing because Jesus said to feed the hungry. However, Jesus always gave them the prophetic picture and the gospel along with feeding them. The Social Gospel lays that aside. If we go that route we are no better than nice atheists.   

There is little or no  prophetic message. That's the point. Someone that dies well fed but without God is little better off than someone that dies hungry without God and both are infinitely worse off than someone who dies hungry and follows the Lord. We are to do both not one. How slippery of the devil to emphasize the least important of the two and essential drop the most important part.
               

[newbie]

I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

[Raven]

I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

Ellen White is clear keeping Sunday is not the mark of the beast until the Sunday law gets passed.  She is also clear that we are to be preaching the 3 angels' messages--in their entirety, so as to call people out of Babylon before it's too late.

[ColporteurK]

I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

That would invite a question to clarify if that's what he meant.( the last part) I'm sorry but if that's what he means he is brain dead. Since when do we not preach future prophetic events ?  You might contact him and ask him about it. If it as you persieve he has not a leg to stand on and I would call him on it and ask him to back it up. Almost all of our schools are theologically bankrupt.

[Tammy]

... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

No, his saying it's not the mark yet would not, in my mind, mean that he thinks we shouldn't preach the 3-Angels Message yet.  I agree with CP.