John Chapter 17

[Ed Sutton]

I will share my favorite :

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[newbie]

mine too 

[Ed Sutton]

John 17:
1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:    = 15 hits as is

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The term "higher education" is to be considered in a different light from what it has been viewed by the students of the sciences. The prayer of Christ to His Father is full of eternal truth. "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son may also glorify Thee: as thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him. And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." "For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God; for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hands. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." The power and soul of true education is a knowledge of God, and of Jesus Christ whom He hath sent. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."  {FE 392.1}
   Of Jesus it is written: "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him. . . . And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." A knowledge of God will constitute a kind of knowledge that will be as enduring as eternity. To learn and to do the works of Christ, is to obtain a true education. Although the Holy Spirit worked the mind of Christ, so that He could say to His parents, "How is it that ye sought Me? wist ye not that I must be about My Father's business?" yet He worked at the carpenter's trade as an obedient son. He revealed that He had a knowledge of His work as the Son of God, and yet He did not exalt His divine character. He did not offer as a reason why He should not bear the burden of temporal care, that He was of divine origin; but He was subject to His parents. He was the Lord of the commandments, yet He was obedient to all their requirements, thus leaving an example of obedience to childhood, youth, and manhood.  {FE 392.2}
     If the mind is set to the task of studying the Bible for information, the reasoning faculties will be improved. Under study of the Scriptures the mind expands, and becomes more evenly balanced than if occupied in obtaining general information from the books that are used which have no connection with the Bible...........{FE 393.1}

[Ed Sutton]

hit # 9.

 
     "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee. As Thou has given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him. And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou has sent. I have glorified Thee on the earth; I have finished the work which Thou gavest Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was."  {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 1}

     This is a plain statement of the pre-existence of Christ. Had He not had an existence before He assumed human nature, how could He possess glory with the Father before the world was? This is a grand theme for all to contemplate who are searching for truth. The Holy Spirit will be beside all such, to present to them the glory of this wonderful truth. O, that the human mind might be strengthened that it might comprehend the glory of the Redeemer!  {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 2}

     Christ is not praying for the manifestation of the glory of human nature; for that human nature never had an existence in His pre-existence. He is praying to His Father in regard to a glory possessed in His oneness with God. His prayer is that of a mediator; the favor He entreats is the manifestation of that divine glory which was possessed by Him when He was one with God. Let the vail be removed, He says, and let My glory shine forth,--the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.  {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 3}
     Christ defines the manner in which He has glorified the Father: "I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world; Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy Word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever Thou hast given Me are of Thee."  {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 4}

     How did the Father answer Christ's prayer?  {ST, May 10, 1899 par. 5} ......................paragraph 18

[newbie]

wonderful!!!   

[Soli Deo Gloria]

Ed,

I agree that John 17 should be a favorite of everyone. In fact, it is likely one of the most important chapters in the Bible. Jesus' prayer is validating and summarizing the whole plan of salvation. This chapter punctuates the didactic teaching on salvation that Jesus had done in the 16 chapters before, and his prayer occurs just before he is to go to the cross to secure our redemption.

John 17:1-5

1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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The primary purpose of the sacrifice of Christ was to glorify God, and since Jesus is one in essence with the Father, the Son is glorified with the Father, and the suffering on the cross is also shared jointly.

But the cross was also absolutely necessary to accomplish redemption. I cannot imagine how those who say that Jesus did not have to die, or did not die to pay for our sins, can ignore the plain testimony of scripture.

Stan

[Soli Deo Gloria]

One of the over riding themes of Jesus' prayer and indeed the entire book of John, is how the 3 persons of the Trinity, work together to secure our salvation.

After praying for the salvation of the 11 disciples up through verse 19, Jesus then prays for the salvation of all those who would come to faith and be born again starting in verse 20:

John 17:20-25:
 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
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Jesus is praying that all of us who come to faith be saved. It is the will of Jesus  "I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory".  

The more I think about this verse, the more I marvel at the grace of God. Jesus and the Father are working for our salvation.

If God be for us, who can be against us?  Romans 8:31-34:

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

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There is so much in the book of John leading up to Jesus' prayer in John 17 to give us hope.

John 3:16,17

 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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John 6: 37-39:

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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It is both the Father and the Son's will that we be saved.

Here is another one of my favorites that I have quoted many times from John 10:27-30:

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

 30I and my Father are one.
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So the entire book of John is punctuated by Jesus' prayer in John 17 where He prays for our salvation. I believe that Jesus' prayer will be answered

Sole Deo Gloria!

Stan

[Larry Lyons]

Does Jesus expect anything of His people for whom He has prayed?

[Soli Deo Gloria]

Does Jesus expect anything of His people for whom He has prayed?

In John 6, Jesus was asked this question in verse 28:"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Here is His reply in verse 29: Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

In John 3, Jesus met Nicodemus at night to explain to him:  verse 3: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

What does it mean to believe in Jesus? Does it mean just a simple mental assent that Jesus is the Son of God? Of course not.

When Jesus says in John 6:29 "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." and John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life., He is speaking in the earlier context of John 3 where He is talking about the born again conversion experience.

Being born of God, according to John 1:12,13 is a work of God:

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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Verse 13 is quite amazing. How are we born again? It is a miraculous work of God to change our hearts completely and to make us new creations in Christ. It is all of God.

When this new birth happens, then our wills are changed. Yes, we have free will, but the will of a person who is born again is to want to obey God and to do what He commands. We do this out of gratitude for the grace of God in saving us.

"Does Jesus expect anything of His people for whom He has prayed?"

He wants us to believe on Him with all our hearts, and souls, and minds. And as a result of this heart belief, good works will come which is our response to being redeemed and to becoming new creations in Christ

We are saved by grace through faith alone.  Ephesians 2:8,9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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It is just not possible to read all the beautiful scriptures posted above, and then, if truly born again, have a ho-hum attitude.

Anyone who says that since I am saved by grace, then I can go out and live how I want, has not seen the cross and is not born again.

This is why Jesus in the texts quoted above talks about believing in Him , and not setting certain conditions or adding works to the simple statements of faith and belief.

Stan

[Ed Sutton]

Does Jesus expect anything of His people for whom He has prayed?  

   (Rev 19:10) since the testifying of Jesus is the SOP let's check and see .

From the context of this prayer that sums up His mission - Jesus has a lot of expectations .

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[Ed Sutton]

22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Using the whole text in "quotes" = 101 hits - definitely some expectations there.  Looking at Scripture's obvious context  >  They are not covered with light, azure clouds, lightening bolts, surrounded by prostrated adoring angels so "the glory" must be referring to the glory He spoke of to Moses when He answered Moses request to see his glory - His character. This alone can unite them as one despite races, genders, personalities etc.

You have observed that I copied the whole text as a word search or a quoted verse in quotes in the EGW CD Rom folio views,  you do the same and see what you find.  SOP is Jesus continuing to speak.  Notice the Bible's context - it's a good project for a Sabbath Afternoon.   Neither Sabbath hikes nor Sabbath naps renew the conscience like studying to Biblically Know Jesus and His mission. A mission so important to Him that His last prayer before the storm hit - tells that mission better than any other passage aside from the Sermon on the Mount.

23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


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