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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2010, 07:05:48 PM »
Raven & Larry,
There may be many women upset with this position I have taken....  there is plenty for a woman to do in the church and for Christ.  To want and strive for positions that God does not want for us would be to dishonor God.  We were created woman and in His image and to want something God has not intended for us would be to discredit our creation.  He knew what He was doing when He created us woman instead of man.  I am happy just where I am and willing to be of service where ever He places me...

God has opened doors unimaginable for me and He has assured me that this is what He wants me doing...

Stan,
Doug B. has a wonderful interpretation for that scripture that may surprise you.... listen to the sermon and the evidence that he brings to light.

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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 07:55:17 PM »
For me, why do these women insist upon taking these positions and accepting the ordinations etc...it would seem to me that the honorable thing to do is to just say no...
They seem to be deceived...and in the process will deceive others...where is their spiritual discernment? 
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2010, 10:02:30 PM »
Quote from: Raven on February 20, 2010, 06:47:10 PM
I'm glad you were able to hear it.  It was refreshing and encouraging.  Some who will read these posts may think that Larry and I are male chauvinists.  They are only half right (Larry is, I'm not  :evil: --just kidding)--we are both males, and that's as far as it goes.  As a general rule I get along better with women than I do with men.  Too many men have big egos, which I have a hard time relating to.  At one time I actually was in favor of women's ordination.  This was more than 20 years ago, and before I had actually studied the subject.  Many women have better people skills (than some male pastors) that could make them better as pastors and elders--but the ends do not justify the means.  We must have a "thus saith the Lord" before we make changes in how we operate our church.  And in this case we have clear Scripture that says no to making these changes.  The Lord can make up any deficiencies that a man may have in the "people skills" department.

What is often lost sight of in this debate is the fact that women can do things that men cannot do.  They can minister in ways that men cannot.  They can reach people that men cannot.  But that does not require ordination.  It only requires submission to Christ and commitment to His cause.  When Jesus hands out rewards for service, it isn't going to be on the basis of who is ordained or not; it will be on the basis of who has humbled themselves the most and been the most willing to serve God in any capacity that He may choose for them.
See how men are? You never can tell who are really your friends. Women are loyal and stick together.  :-D
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 10:09:58 AM »
Quote from: Larry Lyons on February 20, 2010, 10:02:30 PM
See how men are? You never can tell who are really your friends. Women are loyal and stick together.  :-D

Yes, and we even accompany each other to the facilities and talk all the way there and back... friendship... :-D
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 01:42:38 PM »
Quote from: Larry Lyons on February 20, 2010, 03:32:53 PM
Ej, do you know of conferences who are currently actually ordaining women to the ministry? Apparantly a lot of conferences are hiring women as pastors, but an ordination whould not be accepted by the world church.
I don't know for certain if there are any conferences ordaining women as pastors, but I do know that a lady who goes to our church has a sister who is a pastor in a church in California.  I don't know which church.  Also, the neighboring church we share a pastor with has ordained 4 women as elders.

If an ordination is not excepted by the world church, and if conferences aren't ordaining women, then who is?  Somebody obviously is or they wouldn't be out there.
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »
I agree that women should not be ordained--as pastors or elders.  Just wanted to get my opinion out there and be counted!
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 04:03:07 PM »
The ordination certificate and the commissioning certificate are the same. I have seen them. Across the top it says 'Ordination/Commissioned.

Personally, I think we must move on to higher ground. This is one where you win the battle and lose the war. I learned early that influence flows downhill. We must be careful that we don't light fires that we can't put out. In am convinced that the issues for the time are personal heart issues. To go for institutional change is often the call to revolution. Personally I need a reformation in my life and the focus of my ministry at this time is a personal call to be born again and repent. Turn back the clock on women in ministry?? It's too late. We must go to higher ground.
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 04:29:13 PM »
So we should take the stance,"what's done is done"?  Move on to higher ground?

How many times did God ask ancient Israel to turn around and quit doing the things wrong they were?  Did God expect Israel to turn around or come up with excuses?

If the church isn't going to observe God's established train of authority, then it won't be long and it won't be observing any of His authority about anything.  I can't think of any higher ground than that.
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2010, 05:11:34 PM »
Quote from: Richard OFfill on February 21, 2010, 04:03:07 PM
The ordination certificate and the commissioning certificate are the same. I have seen them. Across the top it says 'Ordination/Commissioned.

Personally, I think we must move on to higher ground. This is one where you win the battle and lose the war. I learned early that influence flows downhill. We must be careful that we don't light fires that we can't put out. In am convinced that the issues for the time are personal heart issues. To go for institutional change is often the call to revolution. Personally I need a reformation in my life and the focus of my ministry at this time is a personal call to be born again and repent. Turn back the clock on women in ministry?? It's too late. We must go to higher ground.

Pastor, I respect your opinion, as I always have, but don't you think that God is big enough to remedy this situation?  It may take awhile, but I believe God is fully able to bring us back where we belong.  We are told that there will come a time when it becomes obvious that God is taking charge of the work.  It may well be that the church will continue to implement policies which are not in harmony with Scripture or the SOP.  This must be so, since we know that the church will "appear as about to fall."  I believe the shaking will take care of a lot of these problems.  In the mean time, while I will treat women who are chosen as elders with respect, I cannot, in good conscience lend my vote or lay my hands on a woman in an ordination ceremony.  We can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.  While I believe this is wrong, I don't believe it rises to the level of rejecting the Sabbath or 1844.  So I will refrain from being like Jehu.  :-)
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2010, 06:05:33 PM »
I agree pastor... the test for each of us is an individual one... our own walk with Christ... in the end, this is the only foundation that will hold... God Bless
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2010, 06:10:35 PM »
Quote from: ejclark on February 21, 2010, 04:29:13 PM
So we should take the stance,"what's done is done"?  Move on to higher ground?

How many times did God ask ancient Israel to turn around and quit doing the things wrong they were?  Did God expect Israel to turn around or come up with excuses?

If the church isn't going to observe God's established train of authority, then it won't be long and it won't be observing any of His authority about anything.  I can't think of any higher ground than that.

ej, I liken this to the situation with David and Saul.  David had been annointed king of Israel, and Saul had been rejected, but David still showed him respect and would not lift his hand against him.  He left in God's hands.  That may be the best policy here.  Rather than agitating and making the situation worse, we can quietly do our best to set the example and point others to a higher standard.
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2010, 08:10:30 PM »
I was not stating what I did in an agitating manner, I was simply making a statement.  

Facts are facts and truth is truth.

I believe I basically stated the same thing you stated, we just stated it in different ways.

One of the things about saying things live, that doesn't come through in written form, is the manner in which words are said.  I am accused of this quite frequently on this forum.  If you would hear me say the things I write, you would know I'm not a harsh person.
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2010, 08:20:14 PM »
My husband has been pro WO.  We happened to watch Batchelor's sermon on the internet and my husband has changed his mind.  It was a very good presentation.
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Re: Women's Ordination
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2010, 04:30:15 AM »
Quote from: ejclark on February 21, 2010, 08:10:30 PM
I was not stating what I did in an agitating manner, I was simply making a statement.  

Facts are facts and truth is truth.

I believe I basically stated the same thing you stated, we just stated it in different ways.

One of the things about saying things live, that doesn't come through in written form, is the manner in which words are said.  I am accused of this quite frequently on this forum.  If you would hear me say the things I write, you would know I'm not a harsh person.

Ej, I wasn't accusing you specifically of speaking in an "agitating manner."  I'm sorry it came across that way.  I was speaking in generalities, and talking to myself as much as to anyone else.  I agree with you about the limitations of the printed word as opposed to speaking face to face.
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2010, 07:33:35 AM »
Hi all. I just wanted to go on record in support of our church and it's current stands .

Our church may have some faults but I beieve God is leading this church.

Marantha
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