I am not sure what you mean GIG. ARE we all sancified? Ellen White speaks of so many claiming Justification, and KNOWING the truth but are not SANCTIFIED by it? Will they be in Heaven?Robert
We are being sanctified if we are obeying the truth..."Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:17
I agree Vicki! We are not sanctified automatically just because Jesus sanctified Himself. He does not force sanctification on us, as G. I. G. seems to be saying. We have to know and practice the truth before we can be sanctified. In other words we must entirely surrender ourselves to Him. To say that ALL are being sanctified is not true and is a denial of the sOPRobert
. . . I am a bit curious about GrapeVessel's statement regarding the "fruit of salvation." What exactly does that mean? If I had to give it a definition I would say the fruit of salvation (the end result) is eternal life in the kingdom restored.Robert
Robert,I agree the end result of the fruit of salvation is eternal life. We can have interim results here. In SD, p. 286 Sister White wrote: "Every relation in life, every position of responsibility, every affection and habit, every emotion of the mind, is to be brought to the great standard of righteousness, the commandments of God, which are exceeding broad." When each of these "every" are lived as your standard of righteousness - you are living the commandments of God- manifesting "the fruit of salvation". In other words keeping God's commandments by being made righteous by faith is the fruit of salvation even in this world. eh? Lottie
What does this scripture mean? Is this justification, sanctification or glorification?Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
I believe that many are justified by baptism in Christ Jesus but this is not where it all ends... it is not a once saved always saved condition. Some stop here and fall short just like the 5 virgins without enough oil.Sanctification is when one is sealed and as you said made holy for a special service to the Lord that continues through out their life. These people will have power like those working miracles in the book of Acts.Glorification would happen when the 144K are changed in the twinkling of an eye, when Stephen was stoned, Peter was crucified, those that come out of the graves at the resurrection of the righteous, etc.
Here is an article that I found surfing the web that describes the gospel of Justification by grace alone through faith alone on the account of Christ alone:http://www.reformationtheology.com/2010/01/the_thief_on_the_cross_by_past.phpThe trouble with this article SDG is that it does not tell the truth of the Gospel accurately. First it teaches that both Jesus and the thief went to heaven on the very day that they died. The author of the article understands the gospel only as do the fallen churches of the Reformation: He does not understand it according to the Everlasting Gospel; as we Seventh-day Adventists have been called upon to restore (Rev. 14:6). That true Gospel was perverted and denied by the "beasts" of Revelation 13. This article's author rules out any "doing" on the part of the repentant thief. However, he did all that he could. He confessed the Lord Jesus before all within range, and to all the world as we read about it. That thief has brought millions of souls to Christ with his cross testimony. He witnessed to his neighboring thief. If he had not done these things but just kept it in his own heat, would he have been saved and justified? If that thief had not been put to death he would surely have continued his sanctification, without which he would not have been justified. He would have made restitution to those he had robbed. That thief did not just die a physical death on the cross but HE CRUCIFIED SELF and that means he lived a whole new life. Robert
(Newbie)Sanctification is when one is sealed and as you said made holy for a special service to the Lord that continues through out their life. These people will have power like those working miracles in the book of Acts.(Robert)Hello friend Newbie! I am glad that you have said that one is sealed when the Holy Spirit convinces him/her to accept Jesus as their Savior. I am sure that you believe that the sealing continues to take place as one settles into the truth and accepts the holy Seventh-day Sabbath. Also that there is a special mark placed on the saints just before the close of probation, so that the destroying angels will know who to spare in the Day of the Lord.(Newbie)Glorification would happen when the 144K are changed in the twinkling of an eye, when Stephen was stoned, Peter was crucified, those that come out of the graves at the resurrection of the righteous, etc. (Robert)What a great statement you have made above Newbie. Let's look at it a bit further. I am not sure that glorification takes place (except for the 144,000) before anyone is resurrected. Jesus went to the grave in His unglorified state and was raised glorified. Stephen's face certainly shone with glory, but I do not think that he will be fully glorified until his resurrection. The 144,000 will be glorified when the voice of God announces the day and the hour of Jesus' return (see GC pages 640 and 645).(Newbie)What does this scripture mean? Is this justification, sanctification or glorification?Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
All who are born again are justified at the new birth. The thief on the cross experienced the new birth while hanging on the cross. He was justified at the moment he believed and recognized Jesus as God. He will be glorified at the resurrection. This is what the miracle of the new birth means. He did not have the chance to demonstrate a degree of sanctification, but God justified him by faith alone on the account of Christ's sacrifice alone.(Robert)I think you are missing something in your remarks about Justification SDG. Justification means more than just to declare someone to be righteous. Ellen White sees the truth of Justification as presented in Scripture. I was attending a meeting, and a large congregation were present. In my dream you were presenting the subject of faith and the imputed righteousness of Christ by faith. You repeated several times that works amounted to nothing, that there were no conditions. The matter was presented in that light that I knew minds would be confused and would not receive the correct impression in reference to faith and works, and I decided to write to you. You state this matter too strongly. There are conditions to our receiving justification and sanctification, and the righteousness of Christ. I know your meaning, but you leave a wrong impression upon many minds. While good works will not save even one soul, yet it is impossible for even one soul to be saved without good works. God saves us under a law, that we must ask if we would receive, seek if we would find, and knock if we would have the door opened unto us. {FW 111.1}. I am concerned that this is what you may be doing as well. Jones had it right in his earlier statements around 1888. He said that justification carries sanctification on its face. That means there is no such thing as justification without sanctification, and the thief on the cross certainly exhibited a degree of sanctification. It seems to me that you have not progressed from Luther and the fallen Protestant churches. The SDA church has been given further light through Ellen White and others. Have you ever read some of the writings of Dennis Priebe on this subject? I do not agree with him on every point but I believe he has this right.Robert
