A Serious Consideration

[Raven]

maskeenel,

Would you please clarify what you mean by the above statement? Are we saved by accepting Jesus alone, or are we saved by accepting Jesus plus His standards? And if the latter, then what do you mean by standards?

Stan

Without presuming to read maskeenel's mind, I think what he was getting at is that by accepting Jesus, one also accepts His standards, His way of living, as outlined in Scripture.  What are the 10 commandments if they are not a set of standards, so to speak?  They are a transcript of God's character, and describe how His followers will live.  Those who love God will not want to offend Him, or any of His children by lying, stealing, murdering, etc., etc.

[Robert Parker]

If I recall correctly the primary function of "the latter rain" is not so much to lead people to Christ as it is to prepare those who are already with Christ to give the Loud Cry with power and garner in the harvest. There can be no question that there will be an unpresidented out pouring of the Holy Spirit upon those who are seeking Christ but this seems to be a different function of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps there is a two pronged function of the latter rain.

Hello my friend Colporteur. Are you the one I know from elsewhere? Isn't one of the functions of the Latter Rain to empower the saints to go forth and preach the Third angel's message?

Robert

[newbie]

Hello my friend Colporteur. Are you the one I know from elsewhere? Isn't one of the functions of the Latter Rain to empower the saints to go forth and preach the Third angel's message?

Robert

Hi Robert,
Yes, I agree with you...  But, I must inform you that Cp is no longer on this board. 

[Robert Parker]

Hi Robert,
Yes, I agree with you...  But, I must inform you that Cp is no longer on this board. 

Do you mean that he is no longer posting here Newbie? Or has he disappeared altogether? My, Satan has a field day doesn't he?

[newbie]

Do you mean that he is no longer posting here Newbie? Or has he disappeared altogether? My, Satan has a field day doesn't he?

That's right, Robert.... he no longer posts here.  If you want to talk to him I can give you his email.  PM me if you want it. 
God Bless,
newbie

[Robert Parker]

That's right, Robert.... he no longer posts here.  If you want to talk to him I can give you his email.  PM me if you want it. 
God Bless,
newbie

I have his address Newbie and got a nice long letter from him today. Thanks.

[deacon1949]

All through the new testament Jesus used the things of nature to explain what He was trying to teach His listeners. In the days of Christ, the farmers would understand what He meant, and I have an idea of what He used it for.
I grew upon a farm, and rain is very important to a farmer.
Ther spring rains give moisture to help in the germination of the seed, and as the rains come through the summer, they help it to grow.
But, if the last rains of the season don't come, many times the crops won't ripen.
Using that allegory, I think He was intimating that the latter rain would cause the ripening of the growth already started. We plant the seed by sharing Christ with someone [early rain] as we continue to share, we water the seed already planted [by us or another] and just before the harvest they are given another 'drenching' if you will, and this causes the ripening [latter rain].
All of this needs to be led by the Spirit, and overseen by Him to accomplish the expected harvest, and though I am no theologian, I am a farmer at heart even if not on one now.
My $.02

[Ed Sutton]

The subject of the actual outpouring of the Early and Latter Rains deserves scholarly consideration and a well thought out searching of both SDA history and what God has said and God has already sent.

It seems that this man has done both.

Ellen G. White and the Loud Cry (Fred Bischoff )

MP3   http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/ 

PDF    http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf 

[newbie]

Ed you have revived this old thread and it reminds me that dear Robert has left us... oh how I miss him.  We used to chat via emails as he was in australia and me here/  It was a mind blowing experience to be talking to someone from around the world.  A colporteur all his life.

[V. Hahn]

Ed you have revived this old thread and it reminds me that dear Robert has left us... oh how I miss him.  We used to chat via emails as he was in australia and me here/  It was a mind blowing experience to be talking to someone from around the world.  A colporteur all his life.

I miss him, too, Newbie.  What a dear man he was, and I look forward to seeing him under the Tree of Life!

[Ed Sutton]

Robert got God's words in the hands of people, so by their reading and studying and understanding and applying those words, the people were then in position for God to work in them His desired way, by the resulting actions of those words and their studied out applications being put to use, cleared the King's highway in their lives.

Have you listened to the links that were posted ?   

Robert Palmer could only help a little and that by getting those words into the hands of the people. 

The words themselves contained the power of Jesus, waiting for the touches of faith by the readers, to access the blessings and life from above, that Jesus designed the whole process to conduit, from Himself up in the Most Holy Place Sanctuary in Heaven, down to Earth and into them.     

John 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Ephesians 4:8  Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

John 10:10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Through the books being read and followed and the godly links opened shared, seen, read, listened to and followed - Robert and other LE's influence lives on long after their death. 

Hebrews 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Listen, read, watch, the links, this continues the witnessing about God that Robert only started.

   The subject of the actual outpouring of the Early and Latter Rains deserves scholarly consideration and a well thought out searching of both SDA history and what God has said and God has already sent.

It seems that this man has done both.

Ellen G. White and the Loud Cry (Fred Bischoff )

MP3   http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/ 

PDF    http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf     

We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history. {CET 204.1} {LS 196.2} 

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   "In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing,.......... and His teaching in our past history. We are now a strong people, if we will put our trust in the Lord; for we are handling the mighty truths of the word of God. We have everything to be thankful for."--General Conference Bulletin, 1893, p. 24 (see Life Sketches, p. 196; Testimonies to Ministers, p. 31).  {3SM 162.3}   

   In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing, I can say, Praise God! As I see what God has wrought, I am filled with astonishment, and with confidence in Christ as leader. We have nothing to fear for the future except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history.  {TM 31.1} 
     We are now a strong people, if we will put our trust in the Lord; for we are handling the mighty truths of the word of God. We have everything to be thankful for. If we walk in the light as it shines upon us from the living oracles of God, we shall have large responsibilities, corresponding to the great light given us of God. We have many duties to perform because we have been made the depositaries of sacred truth to be given to the world in all its beauty and glory. We are debtors to God to use every advantage He has entrusted to us to beautify the truth by holiness of character, and to send the messages of warning, and of comfort, of hope and love, to those who are in the darkness of error and sin. {TM 31.2}   

As the information in these links is studied, there are advantages that were not passed on to us, by standard educational resources in our schools or publications. 

We were not given these advantages earlier, but we have them now, so in memory of Robert and all the other LE's, and the cause of Light, they worked for, and lived by, let us listen, watch, study for ourselves, and apply what God has sent us, so that in putting it to it's obvious uses, we will ourselves be quickened from above, and be enabled to share these blessings after having received them ourselves.

[Ed Sutton]

Quoting Raven

  Without presuming to read maskeenel's mind, I think what he was getting at is that by accepting Jesus, one also accepts His standards, His way of living, as outlined in Scripture.     

Heaven's standards = spiritually, mentally, physically, Biblically fearing God.  This is eating the flesh and drinking the blood ( life ) of Jesus Christ and partaking of His Divine Nature, as He partook of Father God.

Luke 4:4  And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2 Corinthians 13:4  For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Acts 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

1 John 4:9  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

John 6:
57  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

part 1-    http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html   

part 2 - http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-explaining-concept.html

part 3 - http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fear-god-explaining-concept-part-2.html

part 4 - conclusion  http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/

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quoting Stan   

Are we saved by accepting Jesus alone, or are we saved by accepting Jesus plus His standards?   

This ought be answered later by Inspiration - since it is a salvation question - the answer is found and waiting - will post later in due time.   Folks can argue & debate Scripture and often do, so plain very descriptive SOP will be posted.

The defining question is - How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?

[Ed Sutton]

  How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?     

Not like this :
1 Corinthians 4:14  beloved <27> sons <5043> I warn you.

1 Corinthians 4:17   Timotheus, who is my beloved <27> son <5043>,

Ephesians 5:1  as dear <27> children <5043>;

2 Timothy 1:2  To Timothy, dearly beloved <27> son <5043>

1 John 3:2  Beloved <27>, now are we the sons <5043>

<27> beloved - is not in contrast regarding sonship .  But <5043> is an offspring, a produced , created child, someone who is loved for a short human span of years.

27. α)γαπητο/ς agapetos ag-ap-ay-tos’; from 25; beloved: —  (dearly, well) beloved, dear.

5043. τε/κνον teknon tek’-non; from the base of 5098; a child (as produced): —  child, daughter, son.



5043 τέκνον teknon tek’-non

from the base of 5098; n n; TDNT-5:636,759;  {See TDNT 581}

AV-child 77, son 21, daughter 1; 99

1) offspring, children
1a) child
1a) a male child, a son
1b) metaph.
1b1) the name transferred to that intimate and reciprocal relationship formed between men by the bonds of love, friendship, trust, just as between parents and children
1b2) in affectionate address, such as patrons, helpers, teachers and the like employ: my child
1b3) in the NT, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters
1b4) children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to God, in the NT, in Paul’s writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God and thus closely related to God
1b5) children of the devil: those who in thought and action are prompted by the devil, and so reflect his character
1c) metaph.
1c1) of anything who depends upon it, is possessed by a desire or affection for it, is addicted to it
1c2) one who is liable to any fate
1c2a) thus children of a city: it citizens and inhabitants
1c3) the votaries of wisdom, those souls who have, as it were, been nurtured and moulded by wisdom
1c4) cursed children, exposed to a curse and doomed to God’s wrath or penalty
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[Ed Sutton]

Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel. {FLB 114.2} 

The sinful nature of man was weak, and he was prone to the transgression of God's commandments. Man had not the power to do the words of God; that is why Christ came to our world, that He might give him moral power. There was no power in heaven or in earth but the power of Christ that could deliver from the [sentence illegible in original]. He came to meet the difficulty and to remove it. His own arm brought salvation. God sent forth His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh that He might condemn sin in the flesh and reveal the fact to heaven, to the worlds unfallen and also the fallen world, that through the power of divine grace, through partaking of the divine nature, man need no longer stand under the curse of the law or remain in transgression. {14MR 82.3} 
     The nature of Christ was a combination of the divine and the human. Having all the attributes of God, He also represented the excellencies of humanity and showed that all who believe in Christ as their personal Saviour will perfect a character after Christ's likeness, and be qualified to become laborers together with God. By precept and example He uplifts those who are depraved, for through the virtues of Jesus Christ he has become the son of God. His life is like Christ's life, his work is like Christ's work, and he will not fail nor be discouraged, because he is vitalized by the Spirit and power of Jesus Christ. {14MR 83.1} 

The defining question is - How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?

Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 25:11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Luke 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 13:25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Luke 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

The law reveals to man his sins, but it provides no remedy. While it promises life to the obedient, it declares that death is the portion of the transgressor. The gospel of Christ alone can free him from the condemnation or the defilement of sin. He must exercise repentance toward God, whose law has been transgressed; and faith in Christ, his atoning sacrifice. Thus he obtains "remission of sins that are past" and becomes a partaker of the divine nature. He is a child of God, having received the spirit of adoption, whereby he cries: "Abba, Father!"  {GC 467.4} 



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