Raven;Do you think doctors today are using simple natural remedies? How many are using drugs only in an actual emergency ?How many are sincerely attempting natural remedies ?We seem to be saying alot these days "but we have to do what we have to do.
I'm not professing to have all the answers. I just don't think it is as simple, or as cut and dried, as some would think. And, I think it would be good to try and be as understanding and as nonjudgmental as possible when dealing with those around us who are dealing with serious health issues.
Just don't yell at me and call me an apostate liberal lackey for the AMA.
Now Raven have you ever heard me yell ?
I believe that we can all agree that the Holy spirit does not contradict Himself. The Spirit of Prophecy does not make statements that are contradictory. There may seem to be statements that seem tp support opposite points of view. The danger is to think that an SOP quote that appears to support our favored point of view trumps every quote that seems to support an opposite point of view. When this is done with the Bible we all agree tht it is a misuse of scripture. It is the same with the SOP. I am sure that God is not pleased when we have "quote fights" with each side slinging EGW quotes at each other as if to say "my quote is better than your quote." In the process we often imply or clearly state that the other person is dishonest or is not a "good" Adventist or a real Christian. It should be obvious that in doing this we are not reflecting the purpose for which God gave us the Spirit of Prophecy, which is to help prepare us to be sealed, to have the mind and character of Jesus so that we can stand through the time of trouble. The kinds of interactions that I am talking about do not reflect the purpose that he envisions for this forum, and it does not reflect the clear command of Jesus that we love one another. We should never impugn other's motives or read other's minds as if we can know their thoughts and feelings. The unwillingness to follow Ellen White's admonition to always put other's actions and statements in the best possible light has probably caused more mischief in the church than anything else. She also said that we will never agree with one another on every scriptural interpretation. That could be extrapolated to include her writings as well. However, she said we should never allow that to disrupt our unity in the faith. We must be kind to one another, and not let pride keep us out of the kingdom.
"Christ is no longer in this world in person, to go throughour cities and towns and villages, healing the sick; but Hehas commissioned us to carry forward the medical missionarywork that He began. In this work we are to do our verybest. Institutions for the care of the sick are to beestablished, where men and women suffering from disease maybe placed under the care of God-fearing physicians andnurses, and be treated without drugs. p. 168, Para. 1,[9T].
You place upon your table butter, eggs, and meat, and your children partake of them, … and then you come to the meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do you think your prayers go? – 2T 362Eggs should not be placed upon your table. -- 2T p. 400
Eggs contain properties which are remedial agencies in counteracting poisons. And while warnings have been given against the use of these articles of diet in families where the children were addicted to, yes, steeped in, habits of self-abuse; yet we should not consider it a denial of principle to use eggs of hens which are well cared for and suitably fed. -- Counsels on Diets and Foods p 204
"The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs..." CD p. 204
There seemed to be a bicycle craze. Money was spent to gratify an enthusiasm in this direction that might better, far better, have been invested in building houses of worship where they are greatly needed. - 8T p. 51You would not be purchasing bicycles, which you could do without, but would be receiving the blessing of God in exercising your physical powers in a less expensive way. -- RH Aug. 21, 1894
I believe that we can all agree that the Holy spirit does not contradict Himself. The Spirit of Prophecy does not make statements that are contradictory. There may seem to be statements that seem tp support opposite points of view. The danger is to think that an SOP quote that appears to support our favored point of view trumps every quote that seems to support an opposite point of view. When this is done with the Bible we all agree tht it is a misuse of scripture. It is the same with the SOP. I am sure that God is not pleased when we have "quote fights" with each side slinging EGW quotes at each other as if to say "my quote is better than your quote." In the process we often imply or clearly state that the other person is dishonest or is not a "good" Adventist or a real Christian. It should be obvious that in doing this we are not reflecting the purpose for which God gave us the Spirit of Prophecy, which is to help prepare us to be sealed, to have the mind and character of Jesus so that we can stand through the time of trouble. Folks, this should not be. I admit that I am as guilty as others and as such do not do a good job as moderator. For this I am sorry and I apologize to the group and especially to Pastor O'Ffill. The kinds of interactions that I am talking about do not reflect the purpose that he envisions for this forum, and it does not reflect the clear command of Jesus that we love one another. As you have said, Raven, we need to cut each other some slack. We should never impugn other's motives or read other's minds as if we can know their thoughts and feelings. The unwillingness to follow Ellen White's admonition to always put other's actions and statements in the best possible light has probably caused more mischief in the church than anything else. She also said that we will never agree with one another on every scriptural interpretation. That could be extrapolated to include her writings as well. However, she said we should never allow that to disrupt our unity in the faith. We must be kind to one another, and not let pride keep us out of the kingdom.