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Title: Not to worry, it will come later
Post by: Richard OFfill on December 28, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
Unfortunately, in many places these days our doctrines are being dumbed-down or not being preached at all

I once participated in an evangelistic campaign in an eastern European country. There were 90 in the first baptismal class. The baptism was conducted on a Sabbath. The only problem was that the Sabbath truth was not presented to those who were going to be baptized until the Friday night before their baptism. Those people who were now going to become members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church had not had the opportunity to keep their first Sabbath!

It would probably be safe to say that there are many who are becoming members of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination these days who have little, if any, real knowledge of what it means to be a Seventh-day Adventist. But someone says, "Not to worry; it will all come later." The only problem is, how can that happen when giving Adventist sermons in some Adventist churches is, these days, increasingly being frowned upon?
Title: Re: No to worry, it will come later
Post by: Raven on December 29, 2018, 04:37:47 AM
It is not only unfair, but disingenuous to baptize anyone before they really know what they've agreed to.  This is why we lose so many within a few weeks or months after they've been baptized.

One old time minister that used to frequent my establishment told me that he never baptized anyone at the end of an evangelistic series.  After the end of the series, someone would study with them for a certain period of time (can't remember how long), and when he felt they were ready, he baptized them.  He had fewer apostasies than what we so often see today.
Title: Re: No to worry, it will come later
Post by: newbie on December 29, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
It is not only unfair, but disingenuous to baptize anyone before they really know what they've agreed to.  This is why we lose so many within a few weeks or months after they've been baptized.

One old time minister that used to frequent my establishment told me that he never baptized anyone at the end of an evangelistic series.  After the end of the series, someone would study with them for a certain period of time (can't remember how long), and when he felt they were ready, he baptized them.  He had fewer apostasies than what we so often see today.
good point
Title: Re: No to worry, it will come later
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 05, 2019, 04:11:39 PM
If you don't tell me what the bible says and cleared me that i agree and practice what the Bible says, then i have not agreed to it.   You have baptized me but not into the SDA Church, I have not agreed to everything nor observed ( practiced ) obeyed everything yet.

Now if you taught me all the 28 in their mechanics, now teach me the "HOW" and "WHY" and experimental religion  of how & why, then I am more ready for baptism. 

Plus here's an immediate post baptized resource

  http://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2016/9/22/the-discipleship-handbook-an-interview-with-jim-howard   (http://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2016/9/22/the-discipleship-handbook-an-interview-with-jim-howard)

  https://grow.adventist.org/resource/discipleship-handbook/   (https://grow.adventist.org/resource/discipleship-handbook/)

  https://www.adventistbookcenter.com/discipleship-handbook.html   (https://www.adventistbookcenter.com/discipleship-handbook.html)
Title: Re: No to worry, it will come later
Post by: V. Hahn on January 08, 2019, 02:09:36 AM
If you don't tell me what the bible says and cleared me that i agree and practice what the Bible says, then i have not agreed to it.   You have baptized me but not into the SDA Church, I have not agreed to everything nor observed ( practiced ) obeyed everything yet.

Now if you taught me all the 28 in their mechanics, now teach me the "HOW" and "WHY" and experimental religion  of how & why, then I am more ready for baptism. 

Plus here's an immediate post baptized resource

  http://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2016/9/22/the-discipleship-handbook-an-interview-with-jim-howard   (http://www.fulcrum7.com/news/2016/9/22/the-discipleship-handbook-an-interview-with-jim-howard)

  https://grow.adventist.org/resource/discipleship-handbook/   (https://grow.adventist.org/resource/discipleship-handbook/)

  https://www.adventistbookcenter.com/discipleship-handbook.html   (https://www.adventistbookcenter.com/discipleship-handbook.html)

The Discipleship Handbook is a truly wonderful resource!