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Lifestyle & Contemporary Issues => Issues in Contemporary Worship => Topic started by: Tammy on May 27, 2018, 08:48:43 PM

Title: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Tammy on May 27, 2018, 08:48:43 PM
Does anybody know if there were certain instruments that were not allowed in the sanctuary (like Solomon's temple?), not sure.  Or have I heard that wrong?
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Listen on June 10, 2018, 11:07:24 PM
I don't know about this so I searched "musical instruments in Solomon's temple".  Found interesting information but nothing that addressed your ?.  Found lists of the musical instruments in the old testament.  When the Israelite's were in captivity they hung up their harps and refused to play.
These brought more interesting opinion pieces,
"instruments that were not allowed in the sanctuary"
"musical instruments in new testament"

Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 11, 2018, 07:42:09 PM
no drums with zombie like satanic beats that mesmerize the frontal lobes
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Tammy on June 12, 2018, 09:05:16 AM
no drums with zombie like satanic beats that mesmerize the frontal lobes

I agree, but just wondering if there had been any restrictions in the past.













Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 12, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
no drums with zombie like satanic beats that mesmerize the frontal lobes

I agree, but just wondering if there had been any restrictions in the past.
 
When I first came into the church there were no drums but over the years we are seeing more and more of this kind of thing at events, meetings, and even in worship services.  Sadly the willowcreek experiment that didn't work has come into our churches. 
My advice is to stay with the ship and find a church that is more like the past....
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Tammy on June 13, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
By the "past" I'm referring to Bible times, like with Solomon's temple.  Were instruments used inside the sanctuary or temple, and were there some that were not allowed?

They are trying to present that it doesn't matter how we worship, God accepts all kinds.  Like the "from every nation, tribe, tongue and people" which supposedly shows us that there are all kinds of worship, so we shouldn't criticize however people want to worship.  And that Rev. 14:2,3 where it mentions them singing a new song, harpists playing, and the "voice of loud thunder" are supposed to show us that the worship service in heaven will be LOUD!

These are points that were brought out in a sermon recently and some of us feel that he is trying to prepare us for our CORE church that will be starting soon, no doubt with drums.  I think you call that "cutting it off at the pass" or however that phrase goes.  In other words, he expects some of the church to complain when it starts, and he's trying to make it so we would feel guilty if we did.

I thought that I had heard that there were certain instruments that weren't allowed in the sanctuary.  If that were true, a person could show that God is particular about worship and He never changes.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 14, 2018, 07:00:08 PM
you are correct in that certain instruments were allowed...

but not drums and electric guitars and the like...nothing should distract us from reverence in the sanctuary of worship...we should be humble and on our knees in prayer as we come before the throne of God...
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Larry Lyons on June 23, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
Hello Newbie and everyone.

As I recall, about a year or two before Ellen White returned to the US from her several year stint in Australia, she received a letter from one of the SDA leaders in the US in which he described something that took place at an Adventist camp meeting in Indianapolis (I think- Most of my books are still packed after moving)
The letter described loud music with drums, and many other instruments And even dancing if I recall correctly.

Ellen White responded in a letter in which she said that she had been shown that that sort of thing with loud music and drums would come into the church just before the return of Christ. It seems as though we may be at that point in time.
Larry.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Raven on June 24, 2018, 02:46:02 AM
Good to see  you back, Larry.  We've missed you.

I've read that passage from Ellen White, as well, but can't remember where it was.  A search on the EGW website should produce results.  Just the word "drum" might do it.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Raven on June 24, 2018, 02:48:00 AM
Here it is:  "The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit."  2SM p. 36.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 24, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
nice to have you back Larry...

and Yes, drums with their hypnotizing beat are a no no in the church or anywhere else...  run from them
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Tammy on June 25, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Nobody has answered my question yet, but maybe nobody knows, and that's OK!
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 25, 2018, 05:54:44 PM
Nobody has answered my question yet, but maybe nobody knows, and that's OK!
  I think there is something in the pslams with David and celebrations...

Exo_15:20  And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Job_21:12  They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
Psa_81:2  Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.
Psa_149:3  Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psa_150:4  Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Tammy on June 26, 2018, 09:54:08 AM
If a person were to use these verses to answer my actual question, then it would mean that trumpets were not allowed?  And I don't think these verses are even referring to the inside of the sanctuary.
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: newbie on June 26, 2018, 05:38:42 PM
If a person were to use these verses to answer my actual question, then it would mean that trumpets were not allowed?  And I don't think these verses are even referring to the inside of the sanctuary.
you are right, not in the sanctuary for these examples
Title: Re: Instruments used in Sanctuary
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 30, 2018, 03:23:07 PM

Use Bible software to look up trumpet*  A few texts of a longer list .  How (what manner the trumpets were played in and around the Sanctuary is another matter. )

1 Chronicles 13:8  And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.

1 Chronicles 15:24  And Shebaniah, and Jehoshaphat, and Nethaneel, and Amasai, and Zechariah, and Benaiah, and Eliezer, the priests, did blow with the trumpets before the ark of God: and Obededom and Jehiah were doorkeepers for the ark.

1 Chronicles 15:28  Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.

1 Chronicles 16:6  Benaiah also and Jahaziel the priests with trumpets continually before the ark of the covenant of God.


1 Chronicles 16:42  And with them Heman and Jeduthun with  trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.

2 Chronicles 5:12  Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets.

2 Chronicles 5:13  It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;


2 Chronicles 29:26  And the Levites stood with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets.

2 Chronicles 29:27  And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 29:28  And all the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpeters sounded: and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.

Ezra 3:10  And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons