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Last Day Events and Pillars of Our Faith => Relevant News at the End Time => Topic started by: newbie on December 06, 2016, 06:48:25 PM

Title: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: newbie on December 06, 2016, 06:48:25 PM
what about church revival?
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Listen on December 06, 2016, 09:09:11 PM
Individual or even group revival, yes.  Full church revival, no.

But then again who do you mean by the word "church"?
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: newbie on December 07, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
good response...

I was shocked when I read this:

     I was shown that if God's people make no efforts on their part, but wait for the refreshing to come upon them and remove their wrongs and correct their errors; if they depend upon that to cleanse them from filthiness of the flesh and spirit, and fit them to engage in the loud cry of the third angel, they will be found wanting.--1T 619 (1867).  {LDE 195.1} 
     Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come. There are persons in the church who are not converted, and who will not unite in earnest, prevailing prayer. We must enter upon the work individually. We must pray more, and talk less.--1SM 122 (1887).  {LDE 195.2} 
     We may be sure that when the Holy Spirit is poured out, those who did not receive and appreciate the early rain will not see or understand the value of the latter rain.--TM 399 (1896).  {LDE 195.3} 
     Only those who are living up to the light they have will receive greater light. Unless we are daily advancing in the exemplification of the active Christian virtues, we shall not recognize the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the latter rain. It may be falling on hearts all around us, but we shall not discern or receive it.--TM 507 (1897).  {LDE 195.4} 
     Those who make no decided effort, but simply wait for the Holy Spirit to compel them to action, will perish in darkness. You are not to sit still and do nothing in the work of God.--ChS 228 (1903).  {LDE 196.1} 
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Listen on December 07, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
I have read the comments that you posted in various places for a very long time.  This is the type of information that many people do not want to understand.  It means that they have a part to play in their salvation.  Jesus came to save us from our sins not in our sins.  Too many just do not see that distinction.  "He did it all" they claim forgetting that God does His part but we must do our part, like full surrender. 

Those comments are the ones I underline in whatever book I see them.  I have several of EGW devotional books that I read every year.  There are so many wonderful comments that I need to be reminded of. 

"When Jesus speaks of the new heart, He means the mind, the life, the whole being.  ...new mind, new purposes, new motives.  What is the sign of a new heart?  A changed life.  There is a daily, hourly dying to selfishness and pride."  YI 9-26-1901 or To Be Like Jesus Dec. 4
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: newbie on December 08, 2016, 08:27:16 AM
I have read the comments that you posted in various places for a very long time.  This is the type of information that many people do not want to understand.  It means that they have a part to play in their salvation.  Jesus came to save us from our sins not in our sins.  Too many just do not see that distinction.  "He did it all" they claim forgetting that God does His part but we must do our part, like full surrender. 

Those comments are the ones I underline in whatever book I see them.  I have several of EGW devotional books that I read every year.  There are so many wonderful comments that I need to be reminded of. 

"When Jesus speaks of the new heart, He means the mind, the life, the whole being.  ...new mind, new purposes, new motives.  What is the sign of a new heart?  A changed life.  There is a daily, hourly dying to selfishness and pride."  YI 9-26-1901 or To Be Like Jesus Dec. 4
AMEN listen
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Raven on December 08, 2016, 05:45:02 PM
good response...

I was shocked when I read this:

     I was shown that if God's people make no efforts on their part, but wait for the refreshing to come upon them and remove their wrongs and correct their errors; if they depend upon that to cleanse them from filthiness of the flesh and spirit, and fit them to engage in the loud cry of the third angel, they will be found wanting.--1T 619 (1867).  {LDE 195.1} 
     Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.

Here's something just as unsettling:  "The great outpouring of the Spirit of God, which lightens the whole earth with His glory, will not come until we have an enlightened people, that know by experience what it means to be laborers together with God. When we have entire, wholehearted consecration to the service of Christ, God will recognize the fact by an outpouring of His Spirit without measure; but this will not be while the largest portion of the church are not laborers together with God. God cannot pour out His Spirit when selfishness and self-indulgence are so manifest; when a spirit prevails that, if put into words, would express that answer of Cain,—'Am I my brother’s keeper?'”—The Advent Review and Sabbath  Herald, July 21, 1896."
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Listen on December 09, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
"but this will not be while the largest portion of the church are not laborers together with God."
This makes sense to me because the unconverted mass would only get in the way of the true laborers going out to give the loud cry. 
1st the shaking, 2nd the latter rain, 3rd the loud cry.
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Ed Sutton on December 09, 2016, 07:21:40 AM
Get two church members praying

for two people they

1. don't like
2. like
3. don't like them
4. like them

can't be the same people.     So the 2 are praying for the 8 people morning and evening daily, show the 2 church members WHAT to pray for, HOW to pray for it, THEN in 3 weeks go with the 2 to those 8 people and help them listen and learn and live their prayers in behalf of them.

So 2 church members are praying for 16 people for 3 weeks.  While they are praying, tell them if they are serious about going to Heaven, they need skin in the game.  Split the difference ( $25.00 your outlay $25.00 their outlay) Get them to sign up to https://courses.avadvance.org  (https://courses.avadvance.org) and while you both are doing the courses teach them about biblestudyoffer.com (http://biblestudyoffer.com)   ( get the drop box stuff online from Pastor Jim Howard )

Start the culture and cycle of evangelism.   R&R for the 2 members will follow.  Once the 2 are rooted and carrying forward without hand holding, repeat the process with more members.   Get your church signed up for biblestudyoffer.com  (http://biblestudyoffer.com)      The dry bones did not live all at once, it was a process, then God blew life into them.    Embrace the process, open the doors, invest skin, God will invest His life.  Then the R & R (Revival reformation has begun ).     It's work .


"Isaiah 58: The Fast Way to Jesus’ Coming" youtube  https://youtu.be/iLYGry-XFLE    (https://youtu.be/iLYGry-XFLE)

   http://www.asapministries.org/videos/isaiah-58-fast-way-jesus’-coming-0  (http://www.asapministries.org/videos/isaiah-58-fast-way-jesus’-coming-0)

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  http://www.mylanguagemylife.com/article/100/languages/asia/-thai   (http://www.mylanguagemylife.com/article/100/languages/asia/-thai)

KJV Bible in Thai / parallel English http://thaipope.org/webdual/index.htm (http://thaipope.org/webdual/index.htm)

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 video  http://www.asapministries.org/get-equipped/multi-language-resources (http://www.asapministries.org/get-equipped/multi-language-resources)
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Raven on December 09, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
"but this will not be while the largest portion of the church are not laborers together with God."
This makes sense to me because the unconverted mass would only get in the way of the true laborers going out to give the loud cry. 
1st the shaking, 2nd the latter rain, 3rd the loud cry.

Good point.  This is why I believe that all the stuff going on in the church right now (e.g. the battle over WO, the entrance of contemplative spirituality in some places, the attempt by some to "normalize" homosexuality, the prevalence of heathen music rhythms in many churches, the acceptance by many of our college professors of the theory of evolution in some for or another, the lowering of church standards) is part of the shaking.  People are taking sides.  Even now it's not hard to see who would be likely to go along with a Sunday law.  If a person can't accept the first 11 chapters of Genesis, which lay the foundation for so many things in Scripture, why would they risk anything for the Sabbath, which is dependent on Genesis 1-11 being true history?  If someone can deny the plain meaning of Scripture on that subject, not much else would be sacred.
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 09, 2016, 10:17:38 PM
I suspect that a large number of church members including many in leadership positions have accepted the evangelical gospel that is based on the delusion of original sin and salvation by justification only, and that sanctification is not a salvational matter. The doctrine is that when we accept Jesus as our savior, He declares us righteous and we are saved. What we do after that is not relevant to our salvation. Jesus will change our characters and make us fit for heaven when he comes. It might explain some of the problems in the church, as well as why it is hard for many from the mainline Protestant churches to accept the truth. 

That doctrine is what Desmond Ford taught according to one professor who taught at PUC when Ford was there.
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: restoretruth on December 10, 2016, 12:03:30 AM
I suspect that a large number of church members including many in leadership positions have accepted the evangelical gospel that is based on the delusion of original sin and salvation by justification only, and that sanctification is not a salvational matter. The doctrine is that when we accept Jesus as our savior, He declares us righteous and we are saved. What we do after that is not relevant to our salvation. Jesus will change our characters and make us fit for heaven when he comes. It might explain some of the problems in the church, as well as why it is hard for many from the mainline Protestant churches to accept the truth. 

That doctrine is what Desmond Ford taught according to one professor who taught at PUC when Ford was there.

Larry, what you said is very true! It is a real trial for many faithful believers who are trying to follow God's Word & live by it, & who don't accept the Calvinist gospel. It is important to learn how to live in Christ continually! Romans 7&8 & many other scriptures tell us how to live by the Spirit & not the flesh. However, when you discuss these same scriptures with those who believe the "new" theology they always put a different interpretation on it- they won't accept the plain words of scripture!

God expects us to overcome known sin. Sin is the transgression of the law! The foundation of the law are the love commandments. On the surface, it doesn't seem like a really hard thing to love God with all your heart, soul, mind & might; and to love others more than self! But it takes surrender, commitment, temperance, re-shaping our characters, guarding our thoughts, surrendering our pride, & a host of other things, as well as doing everything in the spirit of the law! It is really not a small matter! There is only one way to do it, as far as I can tell! That is to live our life continually in Christ! I would be happy to get some feedback on this plus, I might have another thought or two.
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Ed Sutton on December 10, 2016, 05:26:37 AM
Quoting Larry Lyons and extrapolating
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The doctrine is that when we accept Jesus as our savior, He declares us righteous and we are saved. What we do after that is not relevant to our salvation.   

John 8:29  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Notice Jesus did not say John 8:29  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I  used to do those things that please him, at least when I was baptized.

Too many SDA's leaders and followers and "theologians" have ceased to believe that the theocracy of Heaven no longer follows what God ordained in the sanctuary service and it's lessons.  They believe salvation is relative and occurred on the cross and is a one time deal and not a process leading up to the seal of God.

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  How few bear in mind that the tempter was once a covering cherub, a being whom God created for His own name's glory. Satan fell from his high position through self-exaltation; he misused the high capabilities with which God had so richly endowed him. He fell for the same reason that thousands are falling today, because of an ambition to be first, an unwillingness to be under restraint. The Lord would teach man the lesson that, though united in church capacity, he is not saved until the seal of God is placed upon him, and he is made complete in Christ.  {11MR 367.2}     
IE : Ezekiel's & Revelation's writings about God's Seal and Heaven's response.
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: newbie on December 10, 2016, 10:45:24 PM
I suspect that a large number of church members including many in leadership positions have accepted the evangelical gospel that is based on the delusion of original sin and salvation by justification only, and that sanctification is not a salvational matter. The doctrine is that when we accept Jesus as our savior, He declares us righteous and we are saved. What we do after that is not relevant to our salvation. Jesus will change our characters and make us fit for heaven when he comes. It might explain some of the problems in the church, as well as why it is hard for many from the mainline Protestant churches to accept the truth. 

That doctrine is what Desmond Ford taught according to one professor who taught at PUC when Ford was there.
this is still what is coming out of our universities and the pastors that graduate from them...they are pushing this as truth and are against anyone that says anything different...
our laodicean eyesalve is the Word of God
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Tammy on December 11, 2016, 09:56:53 AM
There is only one way to do it, as far as I can tell! That is to live our life continually in Christ!

Explain that.  What will that look like in a day of regular activities?
Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: restoretruth on December 12, 2016, 01:47:43 PM
There is only one way to do it, as far as I can tell! That is to live our life continually in Christ!

Explain that.  What will that look like in a day of regular activities?

Morning:
Pray first  -- Committing self to God; for Christ's presence (Rev.3:20; John 14:21-23); God's promises; & for opportunities to witness for Him!
Study time -- Bible & SOP

During Day; -- Guarding the avenues to the soul (the five senses).
Recalling things from time to time you learned from Bible & SOP study' or thinking on spiritual themes.  " Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. " Psa 19:14

Evening:
Bible study-- studying scripture cleanses from our sinful nature.
Prayer -- Strengthens & builds our relationship with God.

This is what I believe & the goals that I have set in my everyday life! I take special comfort in claiming the promises of God! I need them!

I often claim the promise of a new heart & a right Spirit within, which God promised in Eze36:26-27:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them"

God has given us promises for every need. Peter tells us that it is by the precious promises that we become partakers of the Divine nature! (2nd Peter. 1:4)

"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

 Claiming God's promises build our faith & trust in Him

Grace is often defined as unmerited favor! It wasn't until a few years ago that I found an additional meaning included in the definition for grace.  Grace is also "the divine influence on the heart"! I have since prayed for "the divine influence on the heart" on a regular basis & especially when tempted. I am fully confident that God answers those prayers!

 "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John1:17

Some time ago, I used the framework of "Sanctuary Prayer" -- praying for things represented by the types in the sanctuary services. I feel the need to get back to a framework method of prayer. It helps me pray more & for the right things!         

As I analyzed the concept of "living in Christ continually" I couldn't escape one conclusion. It is a renewal of what our church once taught when you take away the false teachings that have affected the church in recent years. Sanctification is still like the illustration of the three leg stool; Bible study, prayer, sharing Christ with others! Those principles are the foundation of the spiritual life! If you remove one leg, the faith stumbles! Maybe one of the problems of some in the past  was relying on keeping the letter of the law for being right with God, but missing the spirit needed in keeping the law! It is like what Paul talks about in Romans 7 & 8 -- the law of the carnal nature (law of the flesh) vs the law of the spirit. Romans 8:1-2 says it all!

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit  [,]  of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The law of the spirit is life in Christ Jesus!

It is God's purpose that the believer  be a temple of God!

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you (1Cor.3:16)

No man can of himself cast out the evil throng that have taken possession of the heart. Only Christ can cleanse the soul temple. But He will not force an entrance. He comes not into the heart as to the temple of old; but He says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him." Revelation 3:20. He will come, not for one day merely; for He says, "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; . . . and they shall be My people." "He will subdue our iniquities; and Thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea." 2 Corinthians 6:16; Micah 7:19.His presence will cleanse and sanctify the soul, so that it may be a holy temple unto the Lord, and "an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:21, 22.  {DA 161.2}  

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Title: Re: are you looking for church revival in these times?
Post by: Tammy on December 12, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Thanks, RestoreTruth, good thoughts.