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Title: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Pastor Mel on January 01, 2015, 01:17:28 PM
Throughout the Christian world,men with many different understandings of the gospel,present themselves for Ordination. Some deny the full authority of Holy Scripture yet they seek authority in the church body
Women also seek ordination and present biblical arguments. Some denominations  accept those arguments and ordain, others do not.
Homosexuals seek ordination and are willing that their denominations are split apart over this high honor that has been granted them.
2 Cor 13:5
Why does a person seek ordination? What is the deepest, most basic motivation?
Does my "call" supercede scripture?
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Raven on January 01, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
Welcome to the forum, Pastor Mel.

Scripture always trumps what anyone may perceive as a "call."  Isa. 8:20 always applies.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: newbie on January 01, 2015, 09:42:03 PM
I have no idea why anyone would want to be a pastor... do you really know what they go through?  :uhoh:
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 01, 2015, 11:45:09 PM
There was a symposium held in Fresno CA in October on the subject. The full set of dvs can be obtained from Secrets Unsealed. They are giving them away for a donation of any size or even for free I think. The presenters covered just about every aspect of the arguments pro and con. Some of the presenters were members of the GC study committee. There are 13 DVDs in all covering the several presenters and four panel discussions. It is excellent material. Probably the best around from one source.

Also this evening I watched part of a presentation on Amazing Discoveries by Randy Skeete on the subject. He made a fresh connection to the headship issue in the book of Genisis and Noah and the flood. It was an angle I had not heard before. Watch for a repeat on AD.

Larry
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: newbie on January 02, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
There was a symposium held in Fresno CA in October on the subject. The full set of dvs can be obtained from Secrets Unsealed. They are giving them away for a donation of any size or even for free I think. The presenters covered just about every aspect of the arguments pro and con. Some of the presenters were members of the GC study committee. There are 13 DVDs in all covering the several presenters and four panel discussions. It is excellent material. Probably the best around from one source.

Also this evening I watched part of a presentation on Amazing Discoveries by Randy Skeete on the subject. He made a fresh connection to the headship issue in the book of Genisis and Noah and the flood. It was an angle I had not heard before. Watch for a repeat on AD.

Larry
I missed it Larry... can you encapsulate it for me please.  Pm me if you wish.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Pastor Mel on January 02, 2015, 07:25:14 PM
Most of my Christian life has been as a layman. During those years I have looked up to, and honored those ministers who kept me focused on Jesus and His Word. Last summer I was ordained after pastoring for seven years.
Now I am looked up to, and honored ( far more than I deserve!).

In  discussions in all denominations it seems that godly motivation is left out and replaced with earthly RIGHTS.
Is the candidate seeking ordination , really, just seeking honor? Jesus said "---if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight".  It seems there is a lot of fighting over ordination .

We know that only believers  are going to be saved.

Jesus said; "How can you believe that seek honor one from another and do not seek that honor that comes only from God" John 5:44
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 02, 2015, 07:37:31 PM
The honour coming from God alone................ that might be an ordination comparatively few SDA in the last generation receive , except for those with red borders on their garments and the 144,000 who endure being hated of all men for Christ's sake.

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  God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning, and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as coworkers with Him. Not Enoch, who was translated to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake" (Philippians 1:29). And of all the gifts that Heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor. {CC 278.5}   

Possibly no Degrees, no Titles, no Wages & Sustentation, no human recognition.

Moved not by lesser things - but filled and compelled by implanted divine love that will not let them rest, but ever refreshes them.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: ColporteurK on January 02, 2015, 09:25:15 PM
 
Ingo Sorke, I think from Germany, had a great testimony tonight at GYC. He has a fresh way about him with a dry unintentional  way that is humorous and the youth like to listen ti him. He was convert to the church at age  18 coming from a secular atheistic back ground. His moto is " It's OK to be SDA. He said things like " when we love the Lord and His message, the Bible and the SOP we do not need music that Christian Berdahl would not sanction."  :-D


Steve Bohr had a very instructive and educational message next. While it was not obviously directed toward WO is brought out through implications in an indirect  way the error in WO like I have never before heard it done. One could not even say it was directed at WO but it was. In a nutshell he recited SOP quotes that stated that even in heaven Christ was always subject to the Father; that the Father was the head  even though Father and Son were/are equal. The Son came forth from the Father, Then he made a comparison of Eve coming forth from Adam and though equal she was to be subject to the authority of Adam. Then he showed how this was related to the cross. Adam failed in that he, being the head from which Eve came out from (the rib) was not willing to give up Eve for the sake of humanity. However, the Father of which Christ came out from was willing to give His son for the sake of humanity.   You will not be disappointed  if you watch message.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Pastor Mel on January 03, 2015, 05:50:29 AM
Well said Ed;  I believe that very soon there will be no fighting over the RIGHT to be a S.D.A. Minister.
Philippians 1:29 has become a keystone text in my life-  (by the way, have you noticed the distain given to the mention of "key" texts?)

When Paul was called, he cried out, "who are you Lord?" And he sat in darkness, fasting and praying in
Submission until God sent a church leader to acknowledge his call. In God's directive to Ananias, He did not
Speak of high honor for this "chosen vessel". Instead He said,"For I will show him how many things he must
Suffer for My names sake. Acts9:16

Anyone who is truly called of God will respond with fear and trembling. And certainly NOT in a political manner.
Ex3:11.   Isaiah 6:5.    Jer 1:6
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 03, 2015, 06:00:24 AM
Pastor Mel,
It's a motto that Jesus Himself shares with whoever adopts it as their own.  Good Choice  :-D

Philippians 1:
27   Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
28  And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
29  For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

BTW PM me and tell me about yourself, I don't think we have met yet. 


CP, and all who watched GYC last night ( 01-02-2015)

Pastor Bohr in the introduction, body, and conclusion, of his message gave them the evidence of studying Scripture + SOP together and demonstrated the effect of it's combined work.      He is demonstrating the union of divine calling   - plus - daily preparation.     

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The ministry is becoming enfeebled because men are assuming the responsibility of preaching without gaining the needed preparation for this work. Many have made a mistake in receiving credentials. They will have to take up work to which they are better adapted than the preaching of the word. They are being paid from the tithe, but their efforts are feeble, and they should not continue to be paid from this fund. In many ways the ministry is losing its sacred character.  {GW 94.4}   

He did not give skim milk in his explanation from Scripture and SOP, of the union of the Father and Son and the parallels in the creation and function and relationship of Adam and Eve. 

This detailed undergirding gives bedrock foundational explanations to Biblically fearing God - which the Sabbath School Lesson touches, but offers skim milk, instead of a richer more Biblically through message upon the subject. 

Growing Church members need solid food from the pulpit and during house to house visitations  (especially as they partner with their pastor and go door to door with him visiting )
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 03, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
It is interesting to me that the experience of "feeling called" to the ministry is taken as a qualification for the ministry regardless of passages in Scripture that clearly exclude women (1 Timothy 3:2). Being guided by an inner "feeling" or an inner "voice" or an inner "light" which is taken as superior to Holy Scripture is very dangerous. For church leaders to accept that and agree with that is equally dangerous IMHO.

It is not much different from spiritual formation. The techniques of spiritual formation are used to seek direct contact and conversation with Jesus. The "called " ones claim direct contact with the Holy Spirit through their feelings.

I'm not saying that there is a connection, but it is interesting to me that four out of the five founders of The One Project (part of the other big crisis looming in the church) received their Doctorates in Ministry from George Fox University which is a Quaker run Institution. Quakers believe that individuals can be guided directly by Jesus through an inner subjective experience.
Larry
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Tammy on January 03, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
George Fox University which is a Quaker run Institution.

So it's not a Jesuit university?  Not sure why I got that in my head.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: ColporteurK on January 03, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
George Fox University which is a Quaker run Institution.

So it's not a Jesuit university?  Not sure why I got that in my head.

A University label does not necessarily indicate who is running the institution. The Jesuits have infiltrated all of these schools. That is there mission.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 03, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
The Quakers, founded by George Fox, are basically spiritualists. They have few if any doctrines, no set liturgy and believe firmly in each individual following their own inner light. Spiritual formation is taught at George Fox University. Some of the main figures in the spiritual formation movement are teachers and mentors there. 

The complete set of DVDs of the symposium on the Emerging Church and spiritual formation is available from Sacramento Central church. They are excellent.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 04, 2015, 01:06:18 AM
So spiritualism in action shaping the mindset, philosophies, and doctrines, and practices have worked to bring into the SDA Ideology - that an inner experience - that any inner experience equals and supersedes whatever Scripture & SOP says.   

This is spiritualism and quakerism in action, replacing protestantism right in the middle of the SDA Church.  Women's Ordination, Spiritual Formation, PDC, The One Project, The Glacier View, Celebration, NLP, Kingly Power, Emerging Church, CCM, LGBT movements, and all other "ism's" and movements that violate Scripture & SOP - none of these could exist live thrive in - Inspiration only built Protestantism.

In a fully Protestant Ideology this prophecy from Isaiah could not and would not exist in the SDA Denomination anywhere on Earth. 

Isaiah 3:12  As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Isaiah 9:16  For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

Must it take worldwide persecution to cleanse the Church so that God can and will use us to reach the whole world right on schedule ?    If so God will use His system of handpicking those He ordains to replace those culled out and those faithful who sleep in Jesus in their graves.

If it must be such, then the Church militant will be sifted and be winnowed and once tested and found faithful, the remaining wheat in God's hands will be the triumphant, who receive the new Pentecost, and evangelize and reach and harvest the world.  They will stand internally and externally armoured under holy angel guards - tasting what Jesus tasted at His trial - awaiting the return of Jesus.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: Pastor Mel on January 04, 2015, 06:36:55 AM
I am glad to hear the concern for the"One Project". I am very concerned. I do not want to be one of the
"dumb dogs that will not bark" Isaiah 56:10 .
But O for the spirit of our friend who had " tears in His voice as He uttered His scathing rebukes" D.A. 353
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: newbie on January 04, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
I am glad to hear the concern for the"One Project". I am very concerned. I do not want to be one of the
"dumb dogs that will not bark" Isaiah 56:10 .
But O for the spirit of our friend who had " tears in His voice as He uttered His scathing rebukes" D.A. 353

all these things coming into the church that some of us KNOW are not right... SF, WO, P1, SR, Jeff P. , God does not kill, pope is not little horn, new songs, no modesty, no health message, books of a different order, etc.  my husband has come up with a saying for all of this.... he says they are choosing Barabbas rather than Jesus.

so when he says this, I know exactly what he means  :-)  :-(
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: ColporteurK on January 04, 2015, 02:07:03 PM

And the  "Walk to Emmaus " event , the most secretive of all. However, it is not as widespread as the other issues.
Title: Re: Plea for Ordination
Post by: newbie on January 04, 2015, 03:29:48 PM

And the  "Walk to Emmaus " event , the most secretive of all. However, it is not as widespread as the other issues.
I'm sure and there will be many other 'names' these things will be called before this is all over...