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Theology => The Sabbath => Topic started by: newbie on September 19, 2014, 06:54:22 PM

Title: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 19, 2014, 06:54:22 PM
Remember that on the Sabbath God comes close to His people.   Feel the blessings of His nearness to you.  Reach out to Him with thanks and praises and feel the refreshing water to your soul.  Know that He cares for you and will guide you through the storms of this life.
Keep looking up to Jesus. ..
think of heaven and the mansions He has prepared for us. 
Don't look to the west when we know He is coming in the east.
Praying always to sense the army of good angels waiting to help and guide you. 
Shun and run from the discouragement placed around us like bees swarming a nest.
look for the good things seek His face....
God bless All

Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Larry Lyons on September 19, 2014, 08:33:18 PM
Good thoughts Newbie. As the world grows darker and darker, we need more and more encouragement to keep our focus on Jesus and the fantastic benefits he has provided to us already, and the blessed hope we have for the future.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: V. Hahn on September 21, 2014, 07:50:57 AM
Thank you for sharing those wonderful thoughts, Newbie. 
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 21, 2014, 08:03:07 AM
my pleasure... maybe a tidbit each Sabbath... to help us focus
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on May 02, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
my pleasure... maybe a tidbit each Sabbath... to help us focus
I see that I did not keep up with this...sorry... will start another thread
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on May 10, 2015, 08:18:59 AM
Seems to me that there might be more to the Sabbath than what we realize?

Is there more to worshiping God on the Sabbath that what we realize?

Maybe this is the KEY to unlocking the blessings from heaven?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on May 10, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
Joh 4:21  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


When I read this, it makes me think that we are missing the point somehow.
I think since the seal/sign for the last days is the Sabbath that it must revolve around the Sabbath.
Are we keeping it as we should?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Tammy on May 10, 2015, 06:00:32 PM
Is there more to worshiping God on the Sabbath that what we realize?

I'm sure there is, and I doubt the average SDA is keeping it as we should.  I know I'm not.  But I would like to understand and do better for the right reasons.  I mean, obedience is enough reason, I guess, but also want it from the heart.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Ed Sutton on May 11, 2015, 06:20:38 AM
  http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/   (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/)

   http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/the-return-of-the-latter-rain/  (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/the-return-of-the-latter-rain/)

http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/wounded-in-the-house-of-his-friends/ (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/wounded-in-the-house-of-his-friends/)

If you want to go deeper into Sabbath Keeping,  listen to these three MP3 books, because Sabbath is the shewbread of the Presence, the fulfillment of the type - (shewbread)baked hot and fresh by godly priests obeying His instructions every Sabbath and put on the table in the north of the type - Holy Place - with frankincense sprinkled on top.    The symbol of Christ the bread of life there in Person.

Union with Christ through engrafted Scripture & the RBF message He sent by His designated messengers, which the Scriptures, and the Holy Ghost, and EGW ratified  > leads to deeper Sabbath Keeping, due to opening the door and inviting Christ the Author of Sabbath to enter and remain as husband of the heart. 

Then Sabbath opens up, seen through the lenses of actual RBF in Christ the source of Sabbath.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on May 11, 2015, 05:14:57 PM
Thanks for those Ed...will listen when I get the chance.

I'm wondering about this:

Exo 20:2  I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

This is the introduction of the 10 C.  Taken symbolically it speaks of the power over sin through our Saviour.   Since the 4th C speaks of our Creator can we also think of this as our Law of Liberty and Worship for our redemptive power through Him.?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on August 07, 2015, 03:48:46 PM

Some people try to say that it is "implied" in the NT that the Sabbath was changed or done away with. However, did God simply "imply" on mount Sinai  that the Sabbath be kept ? In other words if the mountain smoked and shook when the commandments were given and they were blazed in stone by the finger of God would it no9t seem very inconsistent that God would not use the same bold emphasis involving any change that might supposedly come later but rather throw out hints ?

When something is shown to be so important as to use the most dynamic emphasis in being delivered it would seem consistent to use comparable clarity and emphasis in any change.

Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 12, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
A few mornings ago during family devotions the following was read from a devotional. The word "substituting" in relationship to the Sabbath is a most relevant theme today for various reasons. The question might be asked, " if we are "substituting" Sunday worship for Sabbath observance for any reason would that indicate that the Lord is leading us or that the papacy is leading us ?


" David prayed, "It is time for thee, Lord, to work: for they have made void thy law." This prayer is no less pertinent at the present time. The world has gone astray from God, and its lawless state should strike terror to the heart, and lead all who are loyal to the great King to work for a reformation. The papal power has thought to change the law of God by substituting a spurious Sabbath for that of Jehovah; and all through the religious world the false Sabbath is revered, while the true one is trampled beneath unholy feet. But will the Lord degrade his law to meet the standard of finite man? Will he accept a day possessing no sanctity, in the place of his own Sabbath, which he has hallowed and blessed?--No; it is on the law of God that the last great struggle of the controversy between Christ and his angels and Satan and his angels will come, and it will be decisive for all the world. This is the hour of temptation to God's people; but Daniel saw them delivered out of it, every one whose name is written in the Lamb's book of life.  {SW, June 28, 1904 par. 3}"
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 12, 2015, 08:03:46 PM
Sabbath... made for man
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 15, 2015, 01:22:56 PM
 Satan is coming after the Sabbath through the back door right now and many in the Christian world and in the SDA church think that we can live a life of compromise and sin right up until the end and be saved. Fatal delusion. When someone thinks this way the Sabbath is no more than a good idea (at best) and may be dropped at any time. When the sanctuary message is written off so is obedience to the commandments.

  The evangelical cheap grace gospel is no gospel at all. It perpetuates sin. The idea that Jesus suffered and died so that people do not need victory over sin, is a slap to the face of God.

The idea that Satan is more powerful to keep us sinning than God is to lead us to stop is to worship the devil as all powerful.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 16, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
How come when the Sabbath was created, the phrase "and the evening and the morning' were left off?  What does this mean?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Tammy on September 16, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
How come when the Sabbath was created, the phrase "and the evening and the morning' were left off?  What does this mean?

Oh!  Very interesting!
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 16, 2015, 06:30:35 PM
How come when the Sabbath was created, the phrase "and the evening and the morning' were left off?  What does this mean?

I give. What do you think ?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Ed Sutton on September 17, 2015, 06:08:48 AM
Genesis 1:31  And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2:
1   Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3  And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The original Scriptures were not subdivided into chapters in each book, if my understanding is correct.  Verse 31 is immediately followed by verses 1-3, and supplies the needed context to create the use of the phrase "evening and morning" redundant, explained and unneeded and better explained by verses 1-3 as they read with out the phrase "evening and morning", and shows that the weekly cycle closes with end of the seventh day and immediately begins the 1st day of the new week.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 17, 2015, 08:18:02 AM
so Ed you are saying that the phrase at the end of the 6th day applies to the 7th when all the other days have their individual saying?... it is not consistent...

I think there is a reason why it is missing..
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 17, 2015, 08:58:31 AM

I'm thinking that the Sabbath day is never really finished. It continues every seventh day throughout eternity. It is as though the Lord hung a giant blue ribbon on the Sabbath day. It was the Judge's Choice. Every Sabbath day the Lord again hangs that big blue ribbon.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 17, 2015, 12:38:34 PM

I'm thinking that the Sabbath day is never really finished. It continues every seventh day throughout eternity. It is as though the Lord hung a giant blue ribbon on the Sabbath day. It was the Judge's Choice. Every Sabbath day the Lord again hangs that big blue ribbon.

that's possible and makes sense...

another thought... maybe God stopped creating any new worlds after this one....  He sustains everything in the universe but this wayward planet has been the focus now until it is all finished and then He will continue to create new worlds after the New Earth is all set up and evil is wiped out forever... 

Jesus is making mansions for us right now too..  wonder if He is done yet?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Carl on September 17, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
I've had a related question. I think, a very popular pastor said, it's possible the earth was here for perhaps millions of years but that God may have come to develop it only six thousand years ago.

What say you?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 17, 2015, 02:04:11 PM

Since we are not given anything in the Bible or SOP that would indicate that I think it is dangerous speculation.
The next step of speculation might be that there were microbes, bacteria, and other low life forms existing millions of years before creation week and that the week was days of lengthy indefinite time periods in which everything evolved. That's what JWs believe.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: newbie on September 17, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
I've had a related question. I think, a very popular pastor said, it's possible the earth was here for perhaps millions of years but that God may have come to develop it only six thousand years ago.

What say you?
that is not believing in the bible and the Word of God
which popular pastor is that?  do I know him?
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: EJamesC on September 17, 2015, 05:36:35 PM
Heb. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Gen 1:1, 5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Can't get much plainer than that.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 18, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Heb. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Gen 1:1, 5 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Can't get much plainer than that.

Good point. Some would say " in the beginning God finished creating the heaven and the earth."  They have a gap theory. There is a reason for that. They are trying to make false science and the Bible work together. In other words, they buy into the so called evidence that the earth has been around for billions of years.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Carl on September 18, 2015, 09:29:57 AM
I've had a related question. I think, a very popular pastor said, it's possible the earth was here for perhaps millions of years but that God may have come to develop it only six thousand years ago.

What say you?
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that is not believing in the bible and the Word of God
which popular pastor is that?  do I know him?

Yes, but I can't name him, would not be wise.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 18, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
I am under the conviction that any religious belief that cannot be shared publically and openly ought not be shared with anyone. That's not to say there should be no privacy its just that private doctrine is of itself suspect. It has always been my policy that anything I share with ANYONE regarding doctrine can be shared here and everywhere. Not trying to get you to tell, Carl, its just that I believe we should be an open book when it comes to our doctrinal beliefs.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Carl on September 18, 2015, 02:57:19 PM
I am under the conviction that any religious belief that cannot be shared publically and openly ought not be shared with anyone. That's not to say there should be no privacy its just that private doctrine is of itself suspect. It has always been my policy that anything I share with ANYONE regarding doctrine can be shared here and everywhere. Not trying to get you to tell, Carl, its just that I believe we should be an open book when it comes to our doctrinal beliefs.

That's too point blank and simplistic of a statement cp, there are things you don't take and announce to the devil purposely if it can be helped, although he already knows. There are somethings that's better held among us and discussed with disgression. Do you know there are some listening right here that's gathering information to use against us? you bet there is.

All the more for password protection in certain areas. It'll help but not foolproof by any means.
Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: ColporteurK on September 18, 2015, 04:38:00 PM


If it is error then it ought not have been said by the well known pastor in the first place. If it is truth it can be made public. If it was by a high profile pastor then he ought to be held accountable by us and by others. There is too much sweeping under the rug the way that it is.

As you said, the devil already knows so we do not need to worry about informing him. If we are that worried about informing spies then perhaps we ought not bring it up in the first place ?

I believe that as a people we need to be more point blank and less beat around the bush. High profile SDA pastors and politicians are saying things publically almost every day that are problematic.  It is recorded and can be viewed on the internet. In the end there is so much public already that will be used against us that what will matter is what we say and do personally. If they cannot find something on us they will make it up.

Title: Re: Sabbath
Post by: Ed Sutton on September 20, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
"tell all " = 43 hits   amazing what is found when looking for something else

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     There have been times since the third angel's message was first proclaimed, when angels in the form of human beings have appeared to men, and conversed with them as they did with Abraham of old. When the complaints of Satan are entered against the servants of God, angels are often sent down to investigate their course, sometimes conversing with men unbeknown to them. They sometimes question those in error, until they tell all that is in their hearts, and then these angels bear their report back to heaven, relating things just as they exist.  {HS 156.6}   

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  In private prayer all have the privilege of praying as long as they desire and of being as explicit as they please. They can pray for all their relatives and friends. The closet is the place to tell all their private difficulties, and trials, and temptations. A common meeting to worship God is not the place to open the privacies of the heart.(Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, 578.) {Pr 182.2}   

"declare* all " = 58 hits

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  Much is comprehended in the command, "Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that My house may be filled." Luke 14:23. Let ministers teach the truth in families, drawing close to those for whom they labor, and as they thus co-operate with God, He will clothe them with spiritual power. Christ will guide them in their work, giving them words to speak that will sink deep into the hearts of the listeners. It is the privilege of every minister to be able to say with Paul, "I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God." "I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, . . . repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:27, 20, 21.  {AA 364.1}   

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  Paul had not designed to bear this testimony; but, while he was speaking, the Spirit of Inspiration came upon him, confirming his fears that this would be his last meeting with his Ephesian brethren.   {AA 393.3}
     "Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God." No fear of giving offense, no desire for friendship or applause, could lead Paul to withhold the words that God had given him for their instruction, warning, or correction. From His servants today God requires fearlessness in preaching the word and in carrying out its precepts. The minister of Christ is not to present to the people only those truths that are the most pleasing, while he withholds others that might cause them pain. He should watch with deep solicitude the development of character. If he sees that any of his flock are cherishing sin he must as a faithful shepherd give them from God's word the instruction that is applicable to their case. Should he permit them in their self-confidence to go on unwarned, he would be held responsible for their souls. The pastor who fulfills his high commission must give his people faithful instruction on every point of the Christian faith, showing them what they must be and do in order to stand perfect in the day of God. He only who is a faithful teacher of the truth will at the close of his work be able to say with Paul, "I am pure from the blood of all men."  {AA 393.4} 
       

Did Paul who was so vocal IN the Church say everything he could have said, OUTSIDE the church to the general populace ?   Did Jesus or EGW ?  No they did not, but did they refrain from warning, educating, encouraging, trying to awaken -  the hearers both in and outside the church - no they did not. 

That's why Christ promised He would send His Companion and Representative, the Co-Creator the Holy Spirit, to lead and to guide.  The Holy Spirit forbade Paul & John from writing everything - like what the 7 thunders said.  But once that happened the Holy Spirit told it to EGW.

The Holy Spirit is the best One to guide us, IF we say it, What we say, HOW we say, WHEN we say, all combined, are a savor of life that builds life in a person or turns them against that life from above.     Right words, in the right way, at the right time, are like a rope thrown to a drowning man from a rescue crew in a boat .

Scripture chronology says Earth & this solar system "all the host of them" began in 4004 AD, by counting backward the dates & over lapping life spans. God never lies or is mistaken. 

The un named pastor is the unbelieving liar.  He should repent and publicly confess his sin of unbelief and believing a lie, or turn in his paycheck and walk away.