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Title: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on June 14, 2014, 12:47:37 PM

 Once again we heard Walter Pearson speak today at church via DVD. The elder slated to speak didn't have time to prepare (again) so we watched a mechanical message. I do not mind doing that if the message is really good but suffice to say, " I was NOT impressed." 

It was like observing a cross between Morris Vendon, Chuck Swindol, Charles Stanley, and Barney Fife. Almost every comment was animated and designed to prompt a laugh. There was clapping very often. When ever a questionable speaker or one that I may not be familiar with starts preaching I ask myself the question, " if this  were to be preached in a Baptist  church or a Methodist church would it raise eyebrows   ? Is the message  giving the trumpet a certain sound ?  The answer today to both questions is clearly no and no. Constant animated funny faces was the pattern. Observing the audience with some of our most well known speakers was interesting.

When I hear a message funny or serious on a radio station and am not able to  identify the background of a speaker by his message, I am concerned.

The sad part is the congregation in church today thought the message a good one that pulled at heart strings. I think rather it pulled their funny bone.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: newbie on June 14, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
[I posted this elsewhere but maybe it belongs here...]

I don't know if you saw 3abn campmeeting last week end but it is a different Walter P. now...  after the death of his wife from cancer and his massive stroke.... he is a different person.  His sermon was nothing like he used to give.  Maybe someone will put it on youtube...
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Larry Lyons on June 14, 2014, 06:10:31 PM

 Once again we heard Walter Pearson speak today at church via DVD. The elder slated to speak didn't have time to prepare (again) so we watched a mechanical message. I do not mind doing that if the message is really good but suffice to say, " I was NOT impressed." 

It was like observing a cross between Morris Vendon, Chuck Swindol, Charles Stanley, and Barney Fife. Almost every comment was animated and designed to prompt a laugh. There was clapping very often. When ever a questionable speaker or one that I may not be familiar with starts preaching I ask myself the question, " if this  were to be preached in a Baptist  church or a Methodist church would it raise eyebrows   ? Is the message  giving the trumpet a certain sound ?  The answer today to both questions is clearly no and no. Constant animated funny faces was the pattern. Observing the audience with some of our most well known speakers was interesting.

When I hear a message funny or serious on a radio station and am not able to  identify the background of a speaker by his message, I am concerned.

The sad part is the congregation in church today thought the message a good one that pulled at heart strings. I think rather it pulled their funny bone.
Cp, he was probably preaching to a black audience. I have watched him preach like that to black audiences, but I saw him live at camp meeting once (mostly white audience) and he was quite serious and a bit stern. I don't recall him ever joking around on that occasion. But I do not believe that clownishness has any place in an Adventist pulpit regardless of the audience.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on June 15, 2014, 04:43:46 AM
 He has also retired from Breath if Life. I don't know how recent the recording is but yes it was largely a black audience. However William Johnston, Mr. Guilley and some other high profiles were there making their hands pink and  taking part in jelly belly. It reminded me of Morris Vendon when he used to make fun of  "those holy people."  God has ways of humbling us and there is no humor involved.

The only part of his message "dinner with a sinner" (Zacchaeus)  that hinted of giving the trumpet a certain sound was twice when he read one line quotes from " one of my favorite authors."  Since he did not name the author we can be sure it was Ellen White.
Some will think I am being too hard on him. I think our speakers should give serious Adventist messages that give the trumpet a certain sound.  Entertainment and prompting laughter is for night clubs.

On the way home from church we listened to a message by pastor Dwayne Lemon. It was entirely different, upbeat but very solemn and serious.

I believe Mr. Pearson has taken criticism as in both sermons we heard/seen  he gave disclaimers about his style of preaching, like "if you do not criticize my style of preaching I will not criticize my audience."

I hope he has changed.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on June 15, 2014, 05:51:23 AM

 Incidentally;


  I now realize why some of our more liberal church leaders refer to self supporting ministries as "independent ministries."  The NAD says that " The  Breath of Life is no longer an independent ministry." That means they are under the thumb of the NAD."
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: newbie on June 15, 2014, 11:32:57 AM

 Incidentally;


  I now realize why some of our more liberal church leaders refer to self supporting ministries as "independent ministries."  The NAD says that " The  Breath of Life is no longer an independent ministry." That means they are under the thumb of the NAD."

the man they have now also uses a strong wild voice... I believe it is a cultural experience with much emotion that reaches them best...

I did not know they were no longer independent.  CD Brooks started it I believe... always loved his sermons and still do.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on June 16, 2014, 09:40:56 AM
 I do not believe the title of " independent ministry" for self supporting ministries like Amazing Facts and such is an accurate one. It has with it the connotation of independent from the church and independent from the truth. Some associate the label with rebellion and "offshoot." As divisions like the NAD continue to back slide there is an attempt to make good look evil and evil look good. Those faithful  self-supporting ministries that hold the line are made to look bad by "the liberals" because they have taken on the world view and the cultural view. The self supporting work is posed as radical. In a sense... it is.... compared to how worldlings see things.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: sdazeal on June 16, 2014, 10:17:35 AM
The NAD ordains women as pastors and elders. The World Church has never recognized such ordinations to my knowledge. Some NAD-affiliated colleges such as La Sierra teach evolution and reject the sanctuary message in direct opposition to the world church. Many NAD Churches have abolished the office of Elder. The sanctuary-rejecting and antinomian teachings of Jack Sequeira and others are advocated and pushed by many in the American churches and published by its publishing houses. Now tell me, who are the real independent ministries?
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on June 17, 2014, 05:56:32 AM

 Yes, Zeal there are certainly independent ministers and conference leaders in the church.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Welcome43 on November 24, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
I love listen to Pastor Pearson sermons I've been truly blessed. Different preachers have different styles people react to different styles of preaching some people love pastor Pearson sermons. I told a coworker of about pastor Pearson sermons she love it and she is attends a baptist church. I can just imaging when Jesus preached how some of people were probably picking at his sermons and didn't like the way he preached because it didn't move them. One thing is for certain I got my blessing sorry if you didn't get your.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: newbie on November 24, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
I love listen to Pastor Pearson sermons I've been truly blessed. Different preachers have different styles people react to different styles of preaching some people love pastor Pearson sermons. I told a coworker of about pastor Pearson sermons she love it and she is attends a baptist church. I can just imaging when Jesus preached how some of people were probably picking at his sermons and didn't like the way he preached because it didn't move them. One thing is for certain I got my blessing sorry if you didn't get your.

there is someone for everyone that's for sure...we have a wide variety of speakers
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on November 25, 2014, 07:35:54 AM
 Jesus was not constantly seeking a laugh like a night club comic. In any other venue he would have been viewed  a comedian. Jesus never once used comedy to tickle.  Baptist's like the sermons because they are Baptist messages. Those that I have watched had not a hint of distinction regarding an end time message and not a word from the SOP and its insightful application for our time.

    Leave a Solemn Impression.--Ministers are not to preach men's opinions, not to relate anecdotes, get up theatrical performances, not to exhibit self; but as though they were in the presence of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, they are to preach the Word. Let them not bring levity into the work of the ministry, but let them preach the Word in a manner that will leave a most solemn impression upon those who hear. --Review and Herald, Sept. 28, 1897.  {Ev 207.2} 
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Larry Lyons on November 26, 2014, 06:53:24 PM
Walter Pearson preaches a different style to white congregations than he does to black congregations. On TV I have only seen him preach to black audiences. He was at Central CA camp meeting one year and he had a different style of preaching. I don't recall any humor, but he did some scolding. What I remember most about his preaching was when he preached the Sabbath sermon to the youth tent--mostly high school age kids. Our local church had reserved the youth tent for our pot luck lunch, and the worship service at the main auditorium was finished. We fetched our food from our tents and when we reached the youth tent, elder Pearson was still preaching. that surprised me and I admit I was hungry and became a bit impatient as he continued to peach. I was thinking that these young people must be about ready to walk out. he preached at least another 30 minute or more as we all stood around outside the tent hoping he would finish soon. Then prolonged his closing with an altar call. The outcome was that a surprising number of kids responded to give their lives to Jesus, and later it was announced in the main auditorium that several of the youth were going to be baptized. So we never know and can't predict how the Holy Spirit will work on hearts.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Welcome43 on May 07, 2015, 03:34:05 AM
Jesus started preaching as a youth and continued up until the time of his death. The bible only records certain sermons that Jesus Christ preached. There is know where in scriptures that gave account of how many sermons Jesus Christ preached but the disciples themselves...so with that being said Jesus Christ could have made people laugh while preaching one of his sermons. There is know proof whether Jesus Christ made somebody laugh while preaching his sermons also there is no proof that the disciples didn't make anybody laugh during there ministry the bible only record some of most important high lights of their ministry. Walter Pearson sermons are not for you and me to judge but only for Jesus Christ himself to judge. If pastor Walter Pearson sermons are winning souls for Christ then that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: newbie on May 07, 2015, 05:53:49 AM
It is true that there is a match for those seeking and hearing truth.  Each speaker is of a character type that is to match others of the same.  God will bless the hearers of the Word to make a difference in their life and others.....

However, we are advised that to joke and jest is confusing to people because they do not know when you are speaking seriously or when you are joking.  It becomes confusion.  This is not my opinion or others but rather your problem might be with the Spirit of Prophecy.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on May 07, 2015, 06:46:27 AM
 Yes, we are given explicit Inspired counsel that Jesus NEVER joked or said things in jest. That is almost foreign thinking to us fallen people who live in a constant atmosphere of humor. It is best not to form conclusions off of what Scripture does not say but rather what it does says.

Given the low standard level for those who come into the church in developed areas of the world (jewelry, perhaps smoking, not studied, not believing in the SOP, etc. etc. ) I think it is best not to consider soul winning simply someone who has been baptized. Many are being buried alive in the baptismal pool. The point is that some join the church out of mental assent and not because of conversion. I am not judging the salvation of any particular individuals but the condition of the church in NA ( for instance ) is evidence of such.

   Being baptized in our country is not in itself evidence of anything. The proof is in the following days after baptism. While we do not judge the salvation of another the Bible says that by their fruit ye shall know them. Some have said that we are even to be fruit inspectors however God's Word says that we are. In many cases  the fruit is being ignored.  We are indeed called to judge/evaluate methods and content of preaching as well as the fruit in the lives of those who may come into the church as a result of this.

 Let the Countenance Be Cheerful.--There is nothing gloomy in the religion of Jesus. While all lightness, trifling, and jesting, which the apostle says are not convenient, are to be studiously avoided, there is a sweet rest and peace in Jesus that will be expressed in the countenance. Christians will not be mournful, depressed, and despairing. They will be sober-minded, yet they will show to the world a cheerfulness which only grace can impart.  {CG 146.3} 

Isn't that a beautiful quote ? !

Not only should "lightness, trifling, and jesting" be avoided from the pulpit they should be avoided altogether. I too have failed and resorted to quips and such when talking to others even here on the forum. However, the pulpit in particular is a sacred place to stand and speak. It is not an entertainment center. Humor from the pulpit is the result of one or more of the following reasons. None are a good reason to cut up.

!. Fear to give a straight message and therefore joking is used to pad the edges and soften the message.
2. a form of venting one's anger
3. A desire to entertain, be liked, draw attention to oneself.

I remember a speaker on Sabbath once saying, " I'm sure that Jesus told jokes."
 
Is that right ? Based off of what ? 
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Carl on May 07, 2015, 11:05:31 AM
Many good points in your post CP. However today seems  the opposite is more true. These are the reasons I mention troubling things going on in the worship service like certain attire, belly laughs, talking about the past week to name a few of many. It's done so often, it's become commonplace and the normal thing to do nowadays. (just as Satan would have it)

They do not feel the presence of God and act accordingly, the worship service has become the same as potluck and parking lot. Very bad example to those who are new and learning or want to keep God in mind. It's just one hour or so out of a whole week, they need to watch over the mouth and do only those things pleasing to God.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on May 07, 2015, 11:51:30 AM
Yes Carl, I think point number 3 best explains what you refer to. Many of our people want to be tickled and some are willing to do the tickling.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Welcome43 on October 03, 2015, 01:03:30 PM
JOKING, ppr. Jesting; making merry with.
A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones. Proverbs 17:22

Are adventist being to legalistic. Legalism -strict adherence or the principle of strictadherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit. #legalism in the Church.

I don't have a problem with the spirit of prophecy I have problem with church ppl judging God's ministers. Every adventist pastor I know always pray before preparing a sermon. Just so, I tell you there is joy in the presence of God's angels when even one sinner repents. Luke 15:10. Lets agree to disagree. God is using Pastor Walter Pearson to win souls...if he is what you don't agree with "joking" if God didn't want pastor Pearson preaching he wouldn't be preaching. That fact of the matter is pastor Pearson baptized many ppl #God appoved.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: ColporteurK on October 03, 2015, 01:55:41 PM
There are many things in Israel that God allows that he does not agree with. He allowed for apostasy in Israel and sometimes let it go for many decades. I think we all know what jesting and trifling mean. When one is standing behind the pulpit it is especially serious.

We must discern the difference between being happy/merry and being a joker. They are not the same.  Some do it (joke) once in  awhile. Some do it to draw a belly laugh and some invite laughter as a consistent habit.

I compare our early pioneers and what they said with much of what we hear today. No comparison.

" The success of a minister depends much upon his deportment out of the desk. When he ceases preaching and leaves the desk, his work is not finished; it is only commenced. He must then carry out what he has preached. He should not move heedlessly, but set a watch over himself, lest something that he may do and say be taken advantage of by the enemy, and a reproach be brought upon the cause of Christ. Ministers cannot be too guarded, especially before the young. They should use no lightness of speech, jesting or joking,
but should remember that they are in Christ's stead, that they must illustrate by example the life of Christ.
"For we are laborers together with God." "We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain."  {1T 380.2}

 Regarding "what Jesus might have said "we do not form our beliefs off of what we think Jesus could have said but where there is not a shred of evidence. That would be like saying Jesus could have changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Well, He did not and if He would have it would have been recorded in Scripture.

The definition of legalism is not that of strict adherence per se. God is very particular in certain situations. Would it have been legalism for Adam and Eve not to eat a bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ?  That's being pretty particular.  Legalism is a much misused term. Legalism is an attempt to earn salvation by deeds. To assume that a person is trying to do that because he is apposed to joking/ jesting etc. is to judge motive. That too we are told is wrong.
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Welcome43 on July 28, 2018, 12:51:37 PM
Adventist people love to judge and point fingers sit church every sabbath and never put any work in instead point fingers. It is not your job to point fingers and judge people thats the Holy Spirit. This is one of the reason why the church is the way it is...no growth. Adventist people feel they are the only one's in the world that are going to heaven and they are closer to God than anyone else. Now there are adventist Christian who don't judge who is about God's business and spreading the good news that Jesus Christ is coming. Have you preached any sermons have you help win souls? Like I said there are Adventist people and there are Adventist christians which one are you?
Title: Re: Walter Pearson
Post by: Tammy on July 28, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
Adventist people feel they are the only one's in the world that are going to heaven and they are closer to God than anyone else.

That is a very general statement and absolutely not a true one.  Most Adventists are very well aware that God has many people in other churches right now.  We also know that Ellen White says that not 1 in 20 of us will be saved (I believe that is a pretty close quote).

Regarding judging, you are correct.  There is much of the wrong kind of judging that goes on.  But also, in this day and age, that word is thrown around a LOT in an unfair way.  If Mary and John are a couple living together without being married, I can say they are living in sin.  That is not judging.  That is discerning between right and wrong.  If I say they will never go to heaven, that is judging.