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Title: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 14, 2014, 07:03:37 AM
SOP & Scripture tell what perfect character is -
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John 17: 26  And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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When we reflect Christ's image, we shall love one another as He has loved us. We shall not love as we love our neighbor, but as Christ loved us. It is an advance to love as Christ loved. This is the perfection of Christian character. When we can say, My will is wholly submerged in God's will, then peace and rest come in.  {7MR 389.1} 

2nd Peter 1:1-11 tells what each part of this love is composed of, with <26> being the sum of all the parts.

Since Scripture & SOP are so defining and descriptive - what do they say "the work" really is and how are we to know when it is finished ?

Until it is defined what the work is, how are we to understand how to actually carry it forward, and how does a person tell if and when it is finished ?
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 17, 2014, 10:29:45 PM
4 days and no one has touched the topic.

None of our opinions can give the answer, only God's words from the inspired minds of His prophets can accomplish the task.

As far as a simple over arching declaration - it is best to start by quoting the highest ranking Messenger from Heaven. 

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Matthew 6:10  Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

That simply sums it up, but as humans we need unpacking to understand what that will is where it reaches to and how to obtain the needed things to accommodate what it costs to start doing that will, and maintain the efforts to successfully do and successfully complete that will, which is of such great authority that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit both bow to and obey that will.

Thus starting with Matthew 6:10 we invoke the aid of Christ(for we quote Him), The Holy Ghost(for He inspires the prophets to write), the Bible writing Prophets(their faithful testifying the inspired things of God), and Scripture (what it actually says through received - majority text opening the mind of God to us to receive into our own heart & mind & life to engraft.)

But there is one more source we must if using Inspired Scripture - put to use - for Scripture it's self puts it forth as coming from Christ & the Holy Ghost to us as a continuation of the Pentecost promise of Father God :

The testifying of Jesus Christ sent by the work of the Holy Ghost as the extension of Jesus Christ's official work from the Sanctuary in Heaven.  The Spirit of Prophecy.


That said - I have started reading this concentrated set of interlocking statements and passages from SOP to begin trying to answer the topic question.     

What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?

Looking at our present time frame in 2014 I am focusing on these chapters - and will attempt to systematically look at sources of quotes in original articles for context  also.


LDE - Last Day Events (1992)   

Chap. 8. - The Cities, Chap. 9. - Sunday Laws, Chap. 10. - The Little Time of Trouble,  Chap. 11. - Satan's Last Day Deceptions, Chap. 12. - The Shaking, Chap. 13. - The Latter Rain, Chap. 14. - The Loud Cry, Chap. 15. - The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast, Chap. 16. - The Close of Probation

Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: newbie on April 18, 2014, 01:31:45 PM
I almost wish it were all over and we were on our way to the third heaven....
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: ColporteurK on April 18, 2014, 02:32:20 PM
I almost wish it were all over and we were on our way to the third heaven....

Me too but on the other hand the experience of making a difference as to whether or not people are saved would be a thing of the past.  I often wonder if any part of our experience in the hereafter will be as paramount for us and others as what is taking place here and now. Seems to me not.
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 18, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
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I almost wish it were all over and we were on our way to the third heaven....

Lord I see their faces and my heart cries out - send some more Lord - help me call more to come too.   

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I almost wish it were all over and we were on our way to the third heaven....
  There are ways to speed it up.  (off the top of my head - without loading the post with references )

1. Character of the Remnant

2. unity with Jesus by the Remnant-through unity with every word from the mouth of God removing my controversy between my human will/heart/mind/life and God

3. Laity, supporting ministries, Church officials working as heartfelt teams with each other in brotherly kindness to save souls

4. Searching out the lost sheep to help bless hear reconcile to Christ and what matters to Christ, and bring back home

5. healing the SDA families and caring for the SDA orphans and outcasts

6. Living the message and proclaiming it where it has never been done before

7. Fulfilling Matt 28:18-20, Psalms ch 1 & ch 32, Acts 1:8 ,John Ch 17, 1st Corinthians ch's 12-13, Eph ch 3, James Ch's 1-5, Revelation ch's 1-3, 10-14 and the things therein.

(when   "God will" = 2164 hits ) too many

( "when we"  +  "God will"   = 280 hits ) a lot but more workable
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 18, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
quoting CK
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I often wonder if any part of our experience in the hereafter will be as paramount for us and others as what is taking place here and now. Seems to me not.

I agree I think we will find, the here and now decisions and actions - to help to bless to work for their souls - our own souls - and our families souls- our brethren's souls - our friends and acquaintances souls- our enemies's souls, the souls of the strangers - to actually be the most important fork in the road of life, that the I-J ratifies and the Second Coming carries out the sentence thereof.
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on May 04, 2014, 02:39:37 AM
http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Return%20of%20the%20Latter%20Rain/Return%20of%20the%20Latter%20Rain%20%283rd%20Edition%29.pdf (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Return%20of%20the%20Latter%20Rain/Return%20of%20the%20Latter%20Rain%20%283rd%20Edition%29.pdf)

Could the research in this PDF that speaks of what started then soon cut off the latter rain - explain how to be in position as A Church, as local churches, families, individuals - to invite and receive the Latter Rain - at least be one facet of a larger whole ?

 Christ has more than one mission .   

( "Christ's mission " = 98 hits )
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It is only through a correct understanding of Christ's mission and work that the possibility of being complete in Him, accepted in the Beloved, is brought within our reach. . . . Human science is not divine enlightenment. Divine science is the demonstration of the Spirit of God, inspiring implicit faith in Him. The men of the world suppose this faith to be beneath the notice of their great and intelligent minds, something too low to give attention to; but here they make a great mistake. It is altogether too high for their human intelligence to reach.  {OHC 364.3} 


( "His mission" = 776 hits )   See  {DA 641.3} 


Could "the work" be more involved and complex than just the outer mechanics of evangelism - doing the giving of doctrines to the whole world & baptizing ?   Like in high school algebra - If P then Q.  I don't remember what P & Q are, but if P as the precursor happens then Q as the resulting response follows it. 

Maybe the "finishing the work" / going to Heaven is the desired response, removing roadblocks to the Latter Rain & preparing to receive the Latter Rain WHILE evangelizing - practicing the "first love" & witnessing and ministering & helping blessing - etc - is the precursor part of "the work"  ?

two quotes to make the point

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  Those who minister to others will be ministered unto by the Chief Shepherd. They themselves will drink of the living water, and will be satisfied. They will not be longing for exciting amusements, or for some change in their lives. The great topic of interest will be, how to save the souls that are ready to perish. Social intercourse will be profitable. The love of the Redeemer will draw hearts together in unity.  {DA 641.1}
     When we realize that we are workers together with God, His promises will not be spoken with indifference. They will burn in our hearts, and kindle upon our lips. To Moses, when called to minister to an ignorant, undisciplined, and rebellious people, God gave the promise, "My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest." And He said, "Certainly I will be with thee." Exodus 33:14; 3:12. This promise is to all who labor in Christ's stead for His afflicted and suffering ones.  {DA 641.2}
     Love to man is the earthward manifestation of the love of God. It was to implant this love, to make us children of one family, that the King of glory became one with us. And when His parting words are fulfilled, "Love one another, as I have loved you" (John 15:12); when we love the world as He has loved it, then for us His mission is accomplished. We are fitted for heaven; for we have heaven in our hearts. {DA 641.3} 

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"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
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gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance." Galatians 5:22, 23. This fruit can never perish, but will produce after its kind a harvest unto eternal life.  {COL 68.1} 
     "When the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come." Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own.  {COL 69.1} 
     It is the privilege of every Christian not only to look for but to hasten the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (2 Peter 3:12, margin). Were all who profess His name bearing fruit to His glory, how quickly the whole world would be sown with the seed of the gospel. Quickly the last great harvest would be ripened, and Christ would come to gather the precious grain.  {COL 69.2} 
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: newbie on May 04, 2014, 11:43:01 AM
the roadblocks to the latter rain are pride, selfishness, our own righteousness, etc.
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on May 20, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
Soon that will all be washed aside.  In a good way or a bad way .
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on May 28, 2014, 10:22:57 PM
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  When we feel destitute of the blessing of God, feel there is no spiritual life in us, and we cannot understand why we are in this condition, we should not doubt the Lord, and blame him for our darkness. It is not from God, for he has promised power and fullness of joy. We should search God's word, and see if we have not allowed envy, evil surmising, and hatred to run riot in our hearts, or if we have not done something to mar the soul temple. Christ is in the heavenly sanctuary, and he is there to make an atonement for the people. He is there to present his wounded side and pierced hands to his Father. He is there to plead for his Church that is upon the earth. He is cleansing the sanctuary from the sins of the people. What is our work?--It is our work to be in harmony with the work of Christ. By faith we are to work with him, to be in union with him.  {RH, January 28, 1890 par. 7} 

     All heaven is interested in the work that is going on in this world. A people is to be prepared for the great day of God, which is right upon us; and we cannot afford to let Satan cast his shadow across our pathway, and intercept our view of Jesus and his infinite love. We should draw from Christ the very help we need. And when do we need his help?--It is in times of trial, in times when temptation comes in like flood, when Satan would cast his dark shadow before our souls, that we may not be able to distinguish the sacred from the common. It is then that we need to flee to the Source of our strength.  {RH, January 28, 1890 par. 8} 

     The reason we do not receive more strength is, that we do not respond to the invitation of Christ. You should go right to him in your difficulties and trials, that you may find the comfort and consolation he is ready to bestow. It is because you do not seek the rest which Jesus is waiting to give, that you walk in the valley of the shadow of death.  {RH, January 28, 1890 par. 9} 

In union with Christ seems so nebulous till it is closely examined .

Like charity agape <26> - but on closer investigation - charity agape <26. ='s the sum of the component parts of the whole passage.

2nd Peter 1: 5   And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6  And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.


 diligence,+ faith + virtue + knowledge(knowing God) + temperance + patience +  godliness + brotherly kindness = charity God's love <26>.

look at what parts of the Gospels  Jesus lived out and extended > diligence > faith > virtue > knowledge(knowing God) >  temperance  > patience > godliness > brotherly kindness = His charity God's love <26> internally shining out in action, focused and directed by Father God's expressed will & Scripture's doctrines & living as a man yet showing the obtained character virtues of God from a heart & mind filled with the promised things of Ephesians 3: 16-19 (KJV), performing and providing for eternal truths and present truths and the fulfilment of the total mission of Heaven .
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 20, 2015, 08:18:16 AM
Read Malachi 3:16-18     It is those who spoke up who were counted and entered in God's Book of Remembrance, in such an instance reading, lurking, staying hidden - forfeits God's blessings - according to the texts in Malachi. 

Read, respond, post, speak up.
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Tammy on February 20, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Read Malachi 3:16-18     It is those who spoke up who were counted and entered in God's Book of Remembrance, in such an instance reading, lurking, staying hidden - forfeits God's blessings - according to the texts in Malachi. 

Read, respond, post, speak up.

So are you saying that if a person doesn't communicate on a Christian forum they aren't doing what Mal. 3:16 says?  Or are you just trying to encourage people to do more than read?
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 20, 2015, 03:06:50 PM
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So are you saying that if a person doesn't communicate on a Christian forum they aren't doing what Mal. 3:16 says?  Or are you just trying to encourage people to do more than read?

The texts say who gets blessed and yes I am also trying to motivate lurkers to tarry, read, think, post, be counted in God's book of remembrance, His ink being liquid benevolence, just waiting to write out blessings, after all He said He would remember and bless those, who thought kindly about Him and spoke up or in this case, posted about what He is to them, and they are to Him, and their discoveries in Scripture & SOP, and so on, edifying and encouraging, explaining, reassuring, sharing joy with the rejoicing, weeping with those who weep, encouraging faith in what God has foretold and promised as challenges mount up.

Yes my sentences are run on's, but I talk like that too.   :-D

"the work"  "our work"  - add "first love" in there too.     

"The first works of the church were seen when" = 5 SOP hits
"first works" = 170 SOP hits

The prime part of the outreach involves Christ's 5 step Methods - MH p-141, doing the "first works", union with Christ, - that definitely involves talking about God, and God's things, and doing God's stuff that He says to do, for the highest and best reasons.
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: newbie on February 20, 2015, 04:25:19 PM
this is good to know  :-D
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 06, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Mal 3:16 says in a nutshell "share it or lose it"  Sharing means more than posting on an SDA forum, though it can and does include it.

I was shocked when I discovered that the foolish virgins are SDA's who hide their light .

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  Chap. 209 - Noncommittal Christians

     Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Matthew 5:14, 15. {TMK 215.1} 

     Let no one feel inclined to hide his light. Those who hide their light so that the world may not distinguish between them and those who walk in darkness will soon lose all power to diffuse light. They are the ones who are represented by the five foolish virgins, and when the crisis comes, when the call is heard "Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him" (Matthew 25:6), they will arouse at last to find that their lamps have gone out, that they have mixed with the elements of the world and have not provided themselves with the oil of grace. They were lulled to sleep by the cry of peace and safety, and did not keep their lamps trimmed and burning. Aroused to their darkness they plead for oil, but it is impossible for one Christian to impart character to another soul. Character is not transferable. Those who are ease-loving, world-loving, fashion-loving professors of Christianity will not go in to the marriage supper of the Lamb with those who are represented by the five wise virgins. When they solicit entrance they are told that the door is shut. Now is the time to impart light....  {TMK 215.2} 
     

The Loud cry ='s  heaven sent determined love for souls + a living experimental faith anchored to Christ & His teachings > openly determinedly lived and unashamedly proclaimed around the world + the message of RBF / Revelation ch 10 (opening the Book of Daniel and all it refers to in Scripture) & God recognizes such and pours forth His Presence and power to convict of sin, judgment, and righteousness and Christ as not only the only hope, but the all sufficient victorious hope in this present life and present human flesh, giving fallen trusting humanity transformed converted sanctified heart's , mind's, lives.

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The time of test is just upon us, for the loud cry of the third angel has already begun in the revelation of the righteousness of Christ, the sin-pardoning Redeemer.--1SM 363 (1892).  {LDE 37.3} {1SM 362.4 -363.1}   (RH Nov. 22, 1892).  {7BC 984.6} 

                           The Delay Explained

     The long night of gloom is trying, but the morning is deferred in mercy, because if the Master should come so many would be found unready.--2T 194 (1868).  {LDE 37.4} 
     Had Adventists after the great disappointment in 1844 held fast their faith and followed on unitedly in the opening providence of God, receiving the message of the third angel and in the power of the Holy Spirit proclaiming it to the world, they would have seen the salvation of God, the Lord would have wrought mightily with their efforts, the work would have been completed, and Christ would have come ere this to receive His people to their reward. . . . It was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be thus delayed. . . .  {LDE 37.5} 
     For forty years did unbelief, murmuring, and rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canaan. The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into the heavenly Canaan. In neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldliness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord's professed people that have kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so many years.--Ev 695, 696 (1883).  {LDE 38.1} 
     Had the church of Christ done her appointed work as the Lord ordained, the whole world would before this have been warned and the Lord Jesus would have come to our earth in power and great glory.--DA 633, 634 (1898).  {LDE 38.2} 

The Loud Cry is not our invented message, it is God's delivered message, started sounding in MN 1888, if we do not recognize God's message now, will it be recognized then ?

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Unless those who can help in ----- are aroused to a sense of their duty, they will not recognize the work of God when the loud cry of the third angel shall be heard. {TM 299.2}
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 06, 2015, 01:00:24 PM
There seems to be prework messages given to ready the people to comprehend the messages of the Loud Cry.   I just discovered this moments ago.
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The health reform is as closely related to the third angel's message as the arm to the body; but the arm cannot take the place of the body. The proclamation of the third angel's message, the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus, is the burden of our work. The message is to be proclaimed with a loud cry and is to go to the whole world. The presentation of health principles must be united with this message, but must not be independent of it or in any way take the place of it.  {16MR 332.2}   

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  All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible now, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the churches.  {21MR 437.1}   

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  The world is preparing for the closing work of the third angel's message. The truth is now to go forth with a power that it has not known for years. The message of present truth is to be proclaimed everywhere. We must be aroused to give this message with a loud voice, as symbolized in the fourteenth chapter of Revelation. There is danger of our accepting the theory of the truth without accepting the great responsibility which it lays upon every recipient. My brethren, show your faith by your works. The world must be prepared for the loud cry of the third angel's message--a message which God declares shall be cut short in righteousness.  {10MR 218.3} 
     The message of the apostle James, depicting the misery of the rich who have done wickedly, is to be repeated as a message of warning and appeal. The instruction given in the first and second chapters of 1 Peter, exhorting believers to a godly life, is to be presented to the people. .......{10MR 218.4} 

     When the workers in the cause of God are converted in spirit, they will be willing to do the work that is waiting to be done. When they are willing to practice self-denial, they will have spiritual discernment to understand what the purposes of God are. Then they will remove from their hearts that which hinders them from cooperating fully with Him. And when they give evidence that they are determined to carry out the Lord's plans, and not their own devisings, decided changes will be seen. A spirit of humility and trust in God will reveal that God is a God of wisdom, and that His work is done in righteousness and truth.--Ms. 61, 1909, pp. 1-6. ("Words of Instruction," September 17, 1909.) {10MR 219.1}   

The Third Angel's Message is >
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  The third angel's message is the proclamation of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Christ. The commandments of God have been proclaimed, but the faith of Jesus Christ has not been proclaimed by Seventh-day Adventists as of equal importance, the law and the gospel going hand in hand. I cannot find language to express this subject in its fullness.  {1888 217.3} 
     "The faith of Jesus." It is talked of, but not understood. What constitutes the faith of Jesus, that belongs, to the third angel's message? Jesus becoming our sin-bearer that He might become our sin-pardoning Saviour. He was treated as we deserve to be treated. He came to our world and took our sins that we might take His righteousness. Faith in the ability of Christ to save us amply and fully and entirely is the faith of Jesus. {1888 217.4}   

Psalms 110:3  Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, .......
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: newbie on June 06, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
this is truth
Title: Re: What is the work really and what constitutes finishing it - ?
Post by: Ed Sutton on November 21, 2015, 08:44:38 PM

What moves God to act and start His return and not retract the process ?    Can you find inspired bibliography .

Character of Christ perfectly reproduced in His Church.

Everlasting Gospel & Present Truth  lived and proclaimed to whole world.

SDA infrastructure swelling to the Loud Cry receiving the Early-Latter Rain-Seal of the Living God.

Conference-Ministers-Laity working in unity with Christ and each other fulfilling John ch 17.

Individual overcoming following What Christ did and how Christ did it.

Publications God approves of going everywhere.

SDA's dethroning destroying all idols following Christ burning all bridges of turning back.

Getting rooted and grounded in Christ and the truth as it is in Jesus how & what He lives.