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Title: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 03, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
The North American Division, in their ordination study report to the GC Theology of Ordination Study Committee included their report a proposal for a new Adventist method of Bible interpretation. They call it "The Principle Based Historical Cultural Method." They suggest that it could be an option for divisions or unions to choose to accept to be used in their areas.

Here is the Roundup of Divisional Reports on Female Ordination:

www.advindicate.org
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 04, 2014, 08:08:56 AM
We all know that a person can make the Bible teach whatever they want if they just use a different hermeneutical method. Many say the Bible "plainly teaches" Sunday keeping. Others say it teaches that keeping any day as a Sabbath is legalism and the Bible is "perfectly clear" about that. It seems our church wants to ordain women as pastors and elders, so a new hermeneutical method that allows the Bible to "clearly teach" that will be used. Is anyone surprised? Not me. Next they will dig up a few EGW quotes and say that she "led the way on women's ordination" and that the church just wasn't ready for the "new light".

 Its easy, folks!
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 04, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
We all know that a person can make the Bible teach whatever they want if they just use a different hermeneutical method. Many say the Bible "plainly teaches" Sunday keeping. Others say it teaches that keeping any day as a Sabbath is legalism and the Bible is "perfectly clear" about that. It seems our church wants to ordain women as pastors and elders, so a new hermeneutical method that allows the Bible to "clearly teach" that will be used. Is anyone surprised? Not me. Next they will dig up a few EGW quotes and say that she "led the way on women's ordination" and that the church just wasn't ready for the "new light".

 Its easy, folks!
Zeal, I believe that it would be an easy way to break up the church and destroy our witness in the world. The Seventh-day Adventist church would be just another denomination like all the rest. I see this as directly related to the acceptance of evangelical theology by certain Adventist leaders in late 1950 and 1960s and it spread into our colleges and universities.  People are taught  salvation by justification only, and that sanctification is just a nice idea, and that it is not possible or necessary to overcome sin in this life. If they believe that, in spite of clear biblical evidence to the contrary, women's ordination is easy to accept.  I think that many of the problems we see in the church today are related to this "new theology." See Herbert Douglass' book "A Fork in the Road." He observed this development up close from the beginning. 
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 04, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
Larry, at the risk of sounding, I don't know, skeptical or combative, I suggest that based on my personal observations, the idea of being "just another denomination" is the goal....with the exception of Saturday church and healthy living, which is our "marketing niche". I submit as examples Easter sunrise services, the elimination of the office of elder from some top-attended churches, contemporary Christian music, endless "programs", "Christ-centeredness" ( please do not misunderstand that, I refer to it in the Lee Venden sense), "reaching the lost"   ( again, do not misunderstand) and eliminating the original mission of our beloved church- to prepare a people for the second coming of Jesus Christ, to prepare a people to survive  the time of trouble, to preach the three angels messages.

 I really believe that some of our top leaders, educators and members are embarrassed to be SDA, as though it is some out-dated, fuddy duddy,  legalistic religion devoid of Christ. Our church was never, from day one, devoid of Christ. But it was a different Christ and a different gospel fromwhat is being pushed now. It was the Christ and gospel of the Bible , Jesus and the apostles. As such, SDA Christianity was expressed differently than it generally is now by Rome and Evangelicals....and "new" sdaism.
That said, there are still millions who are glad of being "real" Adventists...and will stand up for what is right and true. :-)
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 04, 2014, 06:40:10 PM
I agree with you zeal, but I think some of the leaders have good intentions in this movement. I think we are still considered to be a cult and equated with the Mormons and the JWs. That is no doubt embarrassing to some pastors and members. The original attempt in the 1950s to convince the Evangelicals that we were mainstream did not convince the Evangelicals, although they conceded that we are not a cult. What occurred was probably an unintended consequence. They succeeded in convincing generations of Seventh-day Adventist theology and ministerial students, that except for the Sabbath, our theology of salvation and the atonement is about the same as the Evangelicals. It is easy to understand how and why the NAD leaders would propose the "Principle based Historical Cultural" method to interpret the Bible. If I'm not mistaken, that is almost, if not exactly, the same as the what the other denominations use. It is the "higher critical" method that Ellen G. White warned about. It has been around for a long time.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 04, 2014, 08:13:20 PM
I feel that historical context is useful in understanding how the Bible writer's audience understood what was being said, giving us insight on what is meant by any given statement. For example, how do we know that certain verses in the NT should not be interpreted as teaching Sunday-keeping? Simple, because the original apostolic church did not keep Sunday as the Sabbath! That is not the same as saying that the message itself was influenced by the culture. Big difference! That is the difference between saying God directly inspired the Bible and saying the writers were uninspired church leaders and that were influenced  by worldly customs and cultures. Is it God's word or not? What kind of crazy hermeneutical method interprets that the Bible must be understood as being written by authors who were culturally biased? That takes the inspiration away from God and makes the Bible solely a human work. No text of scripture is of any private origin.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 04, 2014, 08:28:27 PM
I agree with you zeal, but I think some of the leaders have good intentions in this movement. I think we are still considered to be a cult and equated with the Mormons and the JWs. That is no doubt embarrassing to some pastors and members. The original attempt in the 1950s to convince the Evangelicals that we were mainstream did not convince the Evangelicals, although they conceded that we are not a cult. What occurred was probably an unintended consequence. They succeeded in convincing generations of Seventh-day Adventist theology and ministerial students, that except for the Sabbath, our theology of salvation and the atonement is about the same as the Evangelicals. It is easy to understand how and why the NAD leaders would propose the "Principle based Historical Cultural" method to interpret the Bible. If I'm not mistaken, that is almost, if not exactly, the same as the what the other denominations use. It is the "higher critical" method that Ellen G. White warned about. It has been around for a long time.


Agreed. Nobody wants to be ridiculed. I work as a mechanic in a truck shop ( 25 year Master Tech) and face the choice dozens of times daily between consistently walking out my faith and "getting along", often finding myself on the failing end. I know that if I do as I know I should I will be ostracized and ridiculed, and possibly railroaded out of my job. So trust me when I say I understand the pressure to "be normal". I need prayer for this. But as my beliefs go, I am never ashamed of being a Christian or an Adventist. Its just that my "old man" feels very comfortable in shop surroundings and, well, a little "saltiness" comes naturally for me.
But I said all of that to say this, I would rather refer to my failures as failures than to "lower the bar" and change my theology to justify giving in to my weaknesses and avoid such ridicule.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 04, 2014, 09:46:53 PM
I well know the feeling zeal. I worked all my career in secular surroundings mostly in the SF Bay area. It was often easy to laugh at off color humor and hard to avoid listening to crude conversation. I often went home very disappointed in my failures. But praise God; He is merciful and forgiving.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 04, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
I well know the feeling zeal. I worked all my career in secular surroundings mostly in the SF Bay area. It was often easy to laugh at off color humor and hard to avoid listening to crude conversation. I often went home very disappointed in my failures. But praise God; He is merciful and forgiving.

Well, Portland is basically SF's Northern Annex. :) I am glad I am not the only one, although I wish nobody had to deal with this. Recently, I was relating to my boss how difficult it was to live and teach at a self-supporting academy: the lifestyle was very austere, no time to yourself,  the stipend was almost nothing and the housing bordered on uninhabitable. My boss asked if I would ever go back to a situation like that. I responded, "In a heartbeat!" :)
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 05, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
In His distillation prayer that focuses everything into 26 verses............John 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
John 17:19  And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

The sanctifying here is two fold.  1. Bring them into harmony with You ( speaking to Father God )  through YOUR truth (speaking about only the truth's from Father God & Christ & the Holy Ghost.)     Not speaking of any teachings from non divine sources or not genuine God sent prophet/messengers.

2. Seal & certify them as Your Children internally & externally so My worthiness entitles and fits them for Heaven and the Ezekiel ch 9 angels can identify and protect them when the time comes.

Since the truth is Father God's Truth, logic dictates that the hermeneutics is exclusively Father God's hermeneutics also, no destruction of truth by reframing what Father God said is allowed.

God's truths and God's accepted hermeneutics stay as He revealed them, otherwise God does not ever promise to sanctify under different truths with different hermeneutics.

It's like employees at some late date telling the company owner they have decided and created new policies of operation that the owner as owner and operator of the company refuses to honour ='s insubordinate insurrection starting with gentle seemingly gracious words firing the first shot.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: V. Hahn on February 05, 2014, 12:00:42 PM
Jay Gallimore wrote a response regarding this hermeneutical approach in the latest Michigan Memo, but I don't think it's posted online yet.  I just wrote to the conference office to see when it will be posted, and when it's done I'll try to remember to put the link up here.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 05, 2014, 06:17:31 PM
Jay Gallimore wrote a response regarding this hermeneutical approach in the latest Michigan Memo, but I don't think it's posted online yet.  I just wrote to the conference office to see when it will be posted, and when it's done I'll try to remember to put the link up here.
Thanks Vicki. I look forward to reading it. Jay Gallimore will no doubt make an excellent response to those who are trying to remake the church. 
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 11, 2014, 07:59:29 PM
"Women's Ordination--The Biblical versus the Theological: Is This the Issue?"

That is the title of a "must read" article by pastor Daniel Scarone who is currently Associate Ministerial Director for the Michigan Conference. This gives a clear view of what the real issues are, and how our church's claim  to Sola and Tota Scriptura as a basis for our beliefs is endangered.

   "If we say that our authority is the Bible, we have a problem. If all sixty six books of Holy Writ are our final authority and yet we cannot reach an agreement on what the Bible says or doesn't say on the topic of women's ordination, we are denying the efficacy of our "final authority" and foundation of our profession of faith. As Tate reminds us in his book Handbook for Biblical Interpretation, "J.P. Gabler gave a speech in which he posited that the Bible contained a theology of its own, one that should not be influenced by church dogma."

"Committees that deal with women's ordination tend to have two levels. One is what we say or write about ordination, the other is what we imply. On the surface we are discussing ordination but in the background we  are implying ecclesiastical function or the process by which to obtain a religious office in the church from a Scripture standpoint. Meanwhile while we concentration on the process, we cannot reach a clear conclusion because the religious office which we anticipate justifying (a female serving in a male headship role) is simply not in the Bible...."

"...The Bible clearly addresses the following points:

There was no female headship in Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

There was not a female head of humanity in Genesis. The Bible points out the headship of Adam as the representative of the human race, and not the headship of Eve.

There was not female headship in the tribes of Israel in the Old Testament.

There was no female ordination (or anointing) as priests in the Old Testament.

There was not female ordination (or anointing) as priests in the New Testament.

There were no females apostles called by Jesus.

At the first apostolic council (Acts 15) there were no female delegates, or apostles, or elders.

There were no female elders in the Bible.

There were no female pastors in the Scriptures.

There were no female bishops in the Bible.

All these points will forever be fact, even after we finish our committees in 2014, because they belong to Sola Scriptura, to the Tota Scriptura, to the only biblical foundation that we need to accept. And only the true people of God will be guided by it...."

Read the entire article at www.ordinationtruth.com
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 11, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
The sola scriptura defense was surrendered years ago. One cannot insist on playing hardball with the scriptures on this one issue after "fudging it" on other topics, particularly in the ordination of non-scripturally compliant male Deacons and Elders, which have not had strict bible interpretation applied to their ordination into these offices. How many deacons and elders are not "the husband of one wife" or "blameless"? Many are divorced, single or are "Elders" under 25 years old. I have attended churches that ordain teenagers as deacons.
The option of playing hardball with sola scriptura has been forfeited....and the liberals know it.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on February 11, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
The sola scriptura defense was surrendered years ago. One cannot insist on playing hardball with the scriptures on this one issue after "fudging it" on other topics, particularly in the ordination of non-scripturally compliant male Deacons and Elders, which have not had strict bible interpretation applied to their ordination into these offices. How many deacons and elders are not "the husband of one wife" or "blameless"? Many are divorced, single or are "Elders" under 25 years old. I have attended churches that ordain teenagers as deacons.
The option of playing hardball with sola scriptura has been forfeited....and the liberals know it.
Zeal, there are apostate leaders and members, there are Laodicean leaders and members and there have been and are still many instances when standards and policies are "winked at" but as Walter Veith said to a man who had not attended church for 2 or 3 years because of being treated badly by his local church and by the conference who acted against clear biblical injunction. Walter Vieth told the man, if you are looking for a perfect church and you find one, run for your life. According to the Bible, that is not God's church (See Rev. 3:14-21). However, the church has never rejected Sola Scriptura. As Walter Veith also has said, The Seventh-day Adventist church is the only denomination that can defend its doctrines solely from Scripture on a public platform.

You do have a point, though. They made a major mistake when they allowed women to be ordained as elders. Apparently they were thinking to placate the wo crowd after the world church in session rejected ordination of women as ministers, but it merely encouraged them and made them more determined to get their way.
One of the division ordination reports handed in this past January said that women should not be ordained, and women should no longer be allowed to serve as elders. 
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 15, 2014, 05:34:14 AM
Finally there will be two camps of SDA's. 

1.  Those who live by "every word" God sent.

2. Those who claim to be SDA's, but won't - don't, saying Lord Lord.

Deuteronomy 8:3  And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Proverbs 14:15  The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Proverbs 30:5  Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. {pure: Heb. purified}
Matthew 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 18:16  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Luke 4:4  And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
2 Corinthians 13:1  This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.


Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 25:11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Luke 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 13:25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

What results do the two camps obtain ?   

By what process did they get to the position of obtaining those results that God delivered to them ?

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The tares are permitted to grow among the wheat, to have all the advantage of sun and shower; but in the time of harvest ye shall "return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not." Malachi 3:18. Christ Himself will decide who are worthy to dwell with the family of heaven. He will judge every man according to his words and his works. Profession is as nothing in the scale. It is character that decides destiny.
 {COL 74.4} 
     The Saviour does not point forward to a time when all the tares become wheat. The wheat and tares grow together until the harvest, the end of the world. Then the tares are bound in bundles to be burned, and the wheat is gathered into the garner of God. "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." Then "the Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."  {COL 75.1} 

Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 15, 2014, 06:12:52 AM
part 2 of above post internet was running slow

Thoughts and feelings combined = character.  Our thoughts and feelings toward Scripture =’s our lifestyle view and world view and moral and religious side of our character. 


 
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God would have us learn the solemn lesson that we are working out our own destiny. The character we form in this life decides whether or not we are fitted to live through the eternal ages. No man can with safety remain idle. He may not have many talents, but let him trade on those which he has; and in proportion as he exhibits integrity toward God and his fellowmen, so God will bless him.  {TM 379.3} 
     The Holy Spirit waits to give aid to every believing soul, and Jesus declares, "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." Let those who believe in Jesus be strong, prayerful, and full of trust in Christ's power to save. "Call upon Me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify Me."  {TM 380.1} 


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There is a deep earnestness in the invitation, "Come; for all things are now ready." How could those bidden make excuses of so trivial a character, and risk losing eternal life? And yet in every age of the world men are fulfilling this parable in refusing the invitation to the gospel feast. One urges as an excuse his temporal concerns; his property demands his attention. Another is hindered by the claims of society. But none of these excuses count with God. The refusal decides the eternal destiny of the soul; for the words of Christ are, "None of those men that were bidden shall taste of my supper."  {BEcho, October 28, 1895 par. 3}

 
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For a little time the Lord allows man to be his steward, that he may test his character. In that time man decides his eternal destiny. If he works in opposition to the will of God, he can not belong to the royal family. The silver and the gold, which were not his, but the Lord's, he has misapplied. The day of probation granted him he has abused, and he receives the reward of the unfaithful servant.  {RH, May 15, 1900 par. 9} 

Hermeneutics =’s believing God’s Words as God’s words explain themselves.

Doubt is part of character, a bad part, in this case hermeneutics is used to express faith or doubt.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 15, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
conclusion
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Doubt expressed by Zacharias > God’s cure for the doubt & God’s ranking of such as sin needing immediate action - dealing with His servant.

 
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Zacharias had expressed doubt of the angel's words. He was not to speak again until they were fulfilled. "Behold," said the angel, "thou shalt be dumb, . . . until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season." It was the duty of the priest in this service to pray for the pardon of public and national sins, and for the coming of the Messiah; but when Zacharias attempted to do this, he could not utter a word.  {DA 99.2} 


Doubt expressed by EGW > God’s cure for the doubt & God’s ranking of such as sin needing immediate action - dealing with His servant.

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All these things weighed heavily upon my spirits, and in the confusion I was sometimes tempted to doubt my own experience. While at family prayers one morning, the power of God began to rest upon me, and the thought rushed into my mind that it was mesmerism, and I resisted it. Immediately I was struck dumb and for a few moments was lost to everything around me. I then saw my sin in doubting the power of God, and that for so doing I was struck dumb, and that my tongue would be loosed in less than twenty-four hours. A card was held up before me, on which were written in letters of gold the chapter and verse of fifty texts of Scripture. [THESE TEXTS ARE GIVEN AT THE CLOSE OF THIS ARTICLE.] .......................Texts Referred to on Preceding Page

     And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season. Luke 1:20.  {EW 24.1} ............................{EW 31.6}

Doubting God through corrupted hermeneutics =’s a bad response is coming from Heaven toward the offenders.

(unbelieving)
Titus 1:15  Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Revelation 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19  And   if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: V. Hahn on February 25, 2014, 03:16:32 PM
Here's the link to Jay Gallimore's article on Bible interpretation that I promised…

http://www.bonders.org/biblical-hermeneutics-is-scripture-culturally-conditioned/ (http://www.bonders.org/biblical-hermeneutics-is-scripture-culturally-conditioned/)

A few paragraphs from the article…

"Since the methods of Bible study affect everything we believe, it would be perilous to ignore them! For instance, have you ever shared the Sabbath with someone only to have them say, “Well, that is your interpretation?” Using the Bible’s own methods to study the Bible is what gave birth to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. They are as critical to the search for truth now as they were then!

"At the North American Division’s (NAD) 2013 Year-End meeting, the NAD Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC) gave its report. Most of the members of the committee favored the ordination of women. They based their support on a “principle–based-historical-cultural” hermeneutic. Some other divisions’ TOSC’s have reached the opposite conclusion based on the historical understanding of the “Methods of Bible Study” voted in 1986 the by Annual Council. So you can see the challenge."
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 26, 2014, 08:40:59 AM
It's a good read and it explains the tried and true, and the phoney.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: restoretruth on February 26, 2014, 10:37:06 AM
Thank you for the link, Vicki!  Gallimore's article explains the problems this new method  will create for the church. For the Bible student, this statement is of particular interest:

One person put it this way, “Common sense guides common readers…. We wouldn’t want to
 use a method of Bible study that would disenfranchise an uneducated traveling man. And why not? Because the Bible was also written for him. If our method places the Bible out of his reach, our method is flawed.”

Imagine a Seventh-day Adventist  saying: "Well, that seems to be what the Bible teaches but my pastor says that is not the right way to understand it!  We are suppose to use the  'principle–based-historical-cultural'  method of interpretation!"
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: sdazeal on February 27, 2014, 08:16:55 AM
Yes, the NAD no doubt wants to commission another "Movement of Destiny" type study that just serves the purpose of supporting the conclusions they have already drawn for themselves, bring about changes they want to see and to cement those changes into their reconstructed SDA history. No doubt such a study will say that "Ellen White led the way" on women's ordination and will have her quotes taken from obscure sources  (another "Baker letter", perhaps) and out of context statements to support their conclusions. Seen it, been there, done that. Nothing new.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: ColporteurK on March 31, 2014, 12:37:35 PM

   "The Principle Based Historical Cultural Method" ?

That sounds like some kind of  stew or maybe a tossed salad. They tossed several things in together to try to make everybody  happy. The "culture" is the beef and the "principle" is turkey and the "historical" is the veggies.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Larry Lyons on March 31, 2014, 07:51:25 PM

   "The Principle Based Historical Cultural Method" ?

That sounds like some kind of  stew or maybe a tossed salad. They tossed several things in together to try to make everybody  happy. The "culture" is the beef and the "principle" is turkey and the "historical" is the veggies.
Ted Wilson gave the closing address at the Capetown "Image of God" summit (concerning homosexuality) in which most of the leaders in the Adventist church attended. I haven't read what he said, but he was quoted as saying in his closing remarks that "As we leave this meeting, let us keep in mind that the church will stand on the Bible, and the plain reading of the text!" It sounds to me as though this was a direct message to the NAD who proposed this alien hermeneutic method to support women's ordination, and those who wish to advance the Homosexual agenda with the same methodology, and the theistic evolutionist professors and others who discount the plain reading of the Bible.
Title: Re: New Method of Bible Interpretation Proposed
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 18, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
This is a YouTube - by Pastor Stephen Bohr - a member of the Committee - giving history and report upon the theology of Ordination Committee re aired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMoTkIrtigU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMoTkIrtigU)

Making SOP and Scripture of none effect is a work, being done within our Denomination, by political factions in positions of trust, and this link starts skillfully revealing this Ezekiel style apostasy from within the temple, so does this following this link.

http://ordinationtruth.com/ (http://ordinationtruth.com/)

By removing Inspirations signposts the door is opened to reinterpret AGAINST what God has said in both content and context, not only saying it says so and so (differently that it was received from God ) but also that the actual concept and doctrine has always been - when original received Scripture and Testifying of Jesus - were totally different from the NEW concept and NEW doctrine - and violate the content and authority of God given in the original words of Scripture and SOP.

http://ordinationtruth.com/2014/03/30/inserted-gender-inclusive-language-influences-wo-debate/ (http://ordinationtruth.com/2014/03/30/inserted-gender-inclusive-language-influences-wo-debate/)