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Last Day Events and Pillars of Our Faith => Relevant News at the End Time => Topic started by: sdazeal on October 15, 2013, 07:35:42 PM

Title: So,Where Are We?
Post by: sdazeal on October 15, 2013, 07:35:42 PM
As I look on and ponder the recent events in our world's history, I speculate that  certain irreversible courses have been plotted and actions taken. I believe that the recent executive fiat actions by the President of the United States have been both unprecedented and irreversible. Both parties have supported legislation from the Oval Office, bypassing congress, in violation of The U.S. Constitution and the separation of powers. The office of the President as outlined by the founders of our nation no longer exists, by definition I feel that this constitutes the "lamblike beast" becoming a dragon, and that the ideoligical, practical and mechanical pieces are in place for a concluding dictatorship that will result in the inability to buy or sell ( the ACA will include government access to all private bank accounts, from which to extract "penalties" for avoiding the individual mandate). It has become clear that our food supply is toxic, our animals cruelly treated, and that another piece of the puzzle, that of avoidance of milk products, as fallen into place.

 My questions, or "blanks", involve the sealing, the end of probation, the omega of apostasy.
Where EXACTLY in our prohetic history do you believe we are and why...and according to your understanding what is going to happen next?

 Don't lurk on this one, let's discuss this!
Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: Larry Lyons on October 15, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
Zeal, it appears to me that the "Omega of Apostasy" is here now, alive and well and spreading. I believe that the "Emerging Church" phenomena is a prominent aspect of it. Spiritualism, in the form of Spiritual Formation, and ecumenism, feminism with its political correctness which drives Women's ordination and the aggressive demands of homosexuals, backed all of the above are all under the same umbrella. Project One is a visible extension of the Emerging church and is right now being openly supported by some of our prominent leaders and also openly opposed by others. Steve Wohlberg has new material on audio verse titled "The Perils of the Emerging Church." Go to www.audioverse.org 
Remember EGW's description of "new organization," "books of a new order" being written, "great work in the cities" and they would "let nothing stand in their way." This sounds like a perfect description of what we are seeing.   

Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2013, 06:15:55 AM
It seems the tools to enforce are just about ready to go.  Soon decrees will start and enter smoothly but get tougher once rooted into the fastlane .

Maybe that's why Steven Bohr & Walter Veith & Doug Batchlor are so earnest, time to stock up on oil for the lamp it running out fast.
Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: sdazeal on October 16, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
Larry, I could see where the Emerging Church SDAs would wrap the concept in EGW language, like "Church Triumphant". They would say, "We have been the church militant, but we need this program to be the church triumphant". I already here the phrase "present truth" attached to these things. They have done this same thing whenever someone tries to bring a non-adventist method or concept into the church.

Ed, I totally see the same things. How close to the end of probation and "leaving the cities" do you think we are? I would think that leaving the cioties and close of probation would be the same time, since that would mean there would be no relevant ministry in the city. Thoughts?
Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 17, 2013, 05:43:16 AM
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The words of the prophet Malachi concerning the matter of giving, have a special reference to our own time: "The Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap." The coming of Christ which is here referred to is not his second advent to this earth, but his coming to the investigative judgment in the most holy place of the sanctuary in heaven. Thus the message is especially to us, who are living in the time of the judgment.  {RH, May 9, 1893 par. 8} 


Psalms 1:
1 ¶  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4 ¶  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

The more the conscience convicts to adhere to verses 1-3, and the more Satan's efforts to induce to adhere to verses 4-5, the closer we may know OUR time as individuals is running out ....................... strait is the way of verse 6, but if walking it in heart and trust  acting upon God's words................ He will see there is time enough and not too much. 

Remember Noah's deadline on  the one hand and  Hezekiah's better life span that should have been on the other, but was lengthened and let Manasseh be created.

(  "  suddenly come to his temple " = 21 hits )

In reformation's struggles many were closing THEIR probation by hardening themselves against God's workings..........we can do the same.  It is not a time of the clock or date on the calendar as yet, unless we die or apostatize.............but consider this.

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   The same divine power had spoken through Luther to the emperor and princes of Germany. And as the light shone forth from God's Word, his Spirit pleaded for the last time with many in that assembly. As Pilate, centuries before, permitted pride and popularity to close his heart against the world's Redeemer; as the trembling Felix bade the messenger of truth, “Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee;” [Acts 24:25.] as the proud Agrippa confessed, “Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian,” [Acts 26:28.] yet turned away from the Heaven-sent message,—so had Charles V., yielding to the dictates of worldly pride and policy, decided to reject the light of truth.  {GC88 164.3}   

Sometimes probation closes not with a clock or calendar, but with a human decision.

The safest thing I know about geography......... Work the cities but don't live in them. Look what it did to Lot. ......... and that's where he met his wife, raised his kids.
Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: Ed Sutton on March 01, 2014, 02:50:28 AM
How many digits are left in our accounts till the tally is full seems to reside in how willing we are or are not.

We know a lot of stuff, but how much have we, do we, will we follow & why or why not ?

Our loyalty - our disloyalty is showing .

"before probation "  = 17 hits    what clues can we find ?

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Now is the time of preparation. None need to expect that God will do the work of preparing and fitting them up, without their efforts. It is for them to work the works of  righteousness, and crowd all the right-doing they can into the little space of time allotted to them before probation closes, that they may have a clean record in Heaven. {ApM 33.2}

 (unless it is in context somewhere not time or condition identifying clues so far. )

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It will not be long before probation will close. If you do not now serve the Lord with fidelity, how will you meet the record of your unfaithful dealing? Not long hence, a call will be made for a settlement of accounts, and you will be asked, "How much owest thou unto my Lord?" If you have refused to deal honestly with God, I beseech you to think of your deficiency, and if possible to make restitution. If this cannot be done, in humble penitence pray that God for Christ's sake will pardon your great debt. Begin now to act like Christians. Make no excuse for failing to give the Lord His own. Now, while mercy's sweet voice is still heard, while it is not yet too late for wrongs to be righted, while it is called today, if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts.--R. & H. Supplement, Dec. 1, 1896.  {CS 99.4}
   

 (unless it is in context somewhere not time or condition identifying clues so far. )

3.     {FLB 132.5}  repeat of posted hit #1.

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Chap. 10. - The Little Time of Trouble

             A Time of Trouble Before Probation Closes

     On page 33 [of Early Writings] is given the following: ". . . At the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully."  {LDE 143.1} 
     This view was given in 1847 when there were but very few of the Advent brethren observing the Sabbath, and of these but few supposed that its observance was of sufficient importance to draw a line between the people of God and unbelievers. Now the fulfillment of that view is beginning to be seen. "The commencement of that time of trouble," here mentioned, does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel.--EW 85, 86 (1854).  {LDE 143.2} 

Here conditions are mentioned -
as we went forth and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully

while the work of salvation is closing,

trouble will be coming on the earth,

and the nations will be angry,

yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel.
Title: Re: So,Where Are We?
Post by: Ed Sutton on March 01, 2014, 03:12:18 AM
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more conditions shown.

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     The Lord has shown me clearly that the image of the beast will be formed before probation closes, for it is to be the great test [SEE THE PREVIOUS CHAPTER, WHERE THE GREAT TEST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD IS SHOWN TO BE SUNDAY-LAW ENFORCEMENT.] for the people of God, by which their eternal destiny will be decided.--2SM 81 (1890).  {LDE 227.3}
     What is the "image to the beast"? and how is it to be formed? The image is made by the two-horned beast, and is an image to the beast. It is also called an image of the beast. [THE TWO-HORNED BEAST OF REVELATION 13:11-17 MAKES AN IMAGE TO THE BEAST PORTRAYED IN REVELATION 13:1-10.] Then to learn what the image is like and how it is to be formed, we must study the characteristics of the beast itself--the papacy.  {LDE 228.1}
     When the early church became corrupted by departing from the simplicity of the gospel and accepting heathen rites and customs, she lost the Spirit and power of God; and in order to control the consciences of the people, she sought the support of the secular power. The result was the papacy, a church that controlled the power of the state, and employed it to further her own ends, especially for the punishment of "heresy." In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends. . . .  {LDE 228.2} 
     The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas.--GC 443, 445 (1911).  {LDE 228.3}
 
                         Probation Closes
                       When the Sealing Is Finished


     Just before we entered it [the time of trouble], we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion.--7BC 968 (1846).  {LDE 228.4} 
     I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done."--EW 279 (1858).  {LDE 229.1}   


data bits - Churches imitating Papacy-

A.  departing from the simplicity of the gospel-how would this happen in others - in us ?
B.  accepting heathen rites and customs-how would this happen in others - in us ?
C.  she lost the Spirit and power of God-how would this happen in others - in us ?
D.  and in order to control the consciences of the people-how would this happen in others - in us ?
E.  using civil power to enforce-how would this happen in others - in us ?

 When the early church became corrupted by departing from the simplicity of the gospel and accepting heathen rites and customs, she lost the Spirit and power of God; and in order to control the consciences of the people, she sought the support of the secular power.


Using these SOP data bits of prophecy - if these things have happened / are happening in SDA history & practice anywhere on Earth; can we use these as reference points to see where the approximate time span might be registering at this point ?

1 Peter 4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

6.   {Mar 164.2}       repeat short version of #5.   

7.      {2SM 80.4}   repeat short version of #5.

8.  {7BC 976.2 & .3} repeat short version of #5.      But just below it in context .

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  Apostasy and National Ruin.--When the Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution; when the state shall use its power to enforce the decrees and sustain the institutions of the church--then will Protestant America have formed an image to the papacy, and there will be a national apostasy which will end only in national ruin (http://When the Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution; when the state shall use its power to enforce the decrees and sustain the institutions of the church--then will Protestant America have formed an image to the papacy, and there will be a national apostasy which will end only in national ruin) (ST March 22, 1910).  {7BC 976.4} 
     The Mark of Apostasy and God's Patience.--There are many who have never had the light. They are deceived by their teachers, and they have not received the mark of the beast. The Lord is working with them; He has not left them to their own ways. Until they shall be convicted of the truth and trample upon the evidence given to enlighten them, the Lord will not withdraw His grace from them (Letter 7, 1895).  {7BC 976.5}