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Title: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Geni on September 22, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
I read about spiritual formation on this site which was helpful to me.  I belong to a small group that is using a book by Mike Tucker which says in the intro that it is a primer on spiritual formation.  I seem to be the only one who is concerned. . . I would like to make a sensible contribution to their understanding of what is wrong with this set of practices.  I have tried to talk to one person who just blew me off.  Most in our group have no clue and think Elder Tucker is a wonderful speaker and has much to say. . .   Please pray for our group that we can realize how dangerous this is. 
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: sdazeal on September 22, 2013, 09:28:06 PM
What exactly is "Spiritual Formation"?
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Raven on September 23, 2013, 03:03:53 AM
If you really want an in depth study on it, get Rick Howard's book, The Omega Rebellion, available from Remnant Publications.  Another very helpful book is The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer, by Howard Peth.  It is published by Pacific Press.  It's very subtle stuff when first encountered, but it gets more bizarre as one gets deeper into it.

It all comes from eastern mysticism, and it's occult in nature.  Unfortunately, it  may be coming to a church near you.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: V. Hahn on September 23, 2013, 06:29:52 AM
Geni, welcome to the forum! 

I just prayed for you and your group, and I believe you have been placed in that group for a reason.  Spiritual formation is a dark place to go, and you can be a light.  People are woefully ignorant of this dangerous delusion.

As you may already know, Rick Howard has reason to believe that this is the omega delusion that the SOP talks about: "Be not deceived; many will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. We have now before us the alpha of this danger. The omega will be of a most startling nature."  {1SM 197.4} 

"Omega to One of the Most Subtle Delusions--We are now to be on guard, and not drawn away from the all-important message given of God for this time. Satan is not ignorant of the result of trying to define God and Jesus Christ in a spiritualistic [USED HERE IN REFERENCE TO A SYSTEM OF INTERPRETATION, NOT SPIRITISM POPULARLY CALLED SPIRITUALISM.] way that sets God and Christ as a nonentity. The moments occupied in this kind of science are, in the place of preparing the way of the Lord, making a way for Satan to come in and confuse the minds with mysticisms of his own devising. Although they are dressed up in angel robes they have made our God and our Christ a nonentity. Why?--because Satan sees the minds are all fitted for his working. Men have lost tract of Christ and the Lord God, and have been obtaining an experience that is Omega to one of the most subtle delusions that will ever captivate the minds of men. We are forbidden to . . . set the imagination in a train of conjecture."--Diary, #48, pp. 153, 163, Aug. 25 and Aug. 28, 1904.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: V. Hahn on September 23, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
You can also see Rick Howard preach about this on Youtube.  Just search "Rick Howard" " Spiritual Formation".

Geni, is the book you're talking about "Every Good Thing"?  I found this as an e-book, and Google prints snatches of the book so you can see what it is about.  I typed "prayer" in the search engine for the book and here are a few sentences that send alarm signals loud and clear...

"Once you have chosen your prayer breath, use it as you breathe in and out.  As you drive your car in traffic, simply repeat your prayer breath again and again.  As you stand in line or as you sit at your desk, allow this prayer to cycle through your...".   

This is pure contemplative prayer.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Geni on September 23, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
That is the book! (We probably wouldn't be reading it except it was on sale at campmeeting for $2 this year and someone thought the price was right.)  I have watched Elder Howard's presentations on Amazing Discoveries.  I have his book and have read it.  The things he talks about are alarming to me.  Unfortunately anymore I have to reread to retain much of what I read.  I think I need to sit down with a notepad and fully study out this matter to be able to clearly present why it is wrong.    I appreciate all that has been poste here and will be sharing with the small group I belong to as I am able.  I am reading 2 other books, The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer by Howard Peth (you can get it at the ABC) and A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen (Amazon.com) right now.  I have found that Mike Tucker's book is very skillfully written and in my opinion is written for the purpose of deceiving!  My first clue was from the introduction (which many people don't read) where he plainly states that it is a primer on spiritual formation.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: sdazeal on September 23, 2013, 05:14:01 PM
Without going out and reading another book right now, can anyone give me the nuts and bolts, or at least the basic concept behind "spiritual formation"?
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: George H on September 23, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
I guess when I hear the term "spiritual formation", I understand that to mean the use of human (i.e. of earthly rather than heavenly origin) techniques to discipline and shape one's mind, especially in regard to spiritual things.   The Jesuits are big practitioners, of course.  Unquestioning submission to a leader figure, emptying the mind, focusing the mind on a single point, etc. 
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Larry Lyons on September 23, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Without going out and reading another book right now, can anyone give me the nuts and bolts, or at least the basic concept behind "spiritual formation"?
Zeal, the term spiritual formation is a bit elusive to pin down in just a few talking points. The history of it in its Western form, (as opposed to Eastern mysticism, as in Buddhism, Hinduism etc.) started with the spiritual disciplines of Ignatius Loyola which he developed and taught to his Jesuits in training. They consisted of prayer, techniques of meditation, I think self flaggelation (at least Loyola did that) and "listening" that induced altered states of consciousness in which one could have a direct encounter with "Jesus." There is something called Lectio Divino (sp?) which is apparently means reading and chanting and praying sacred texts. The Jesuit neophytes were to attain a state of mind in which their wills were totally submerged in to the will of their leader, which was Loyola and ultimately the pope.
Today the altered states are described as "the silence" or "a quiet place.' This is the same thing that occultists do when they contact demons or "spirits of the dead." In formal situations for learning SF there is a leader. or spiritual guide to whom the trainee must place himself under control. Spiritual formation is nothing more that spiritualism in disguise.

As you probably know, in his initial sermon as newly elected GC President, Ted Wilson listed spiritual formation as one of the things that do not belong in the Seventh-day Adventist church. In spite of that it is still around and our members need warning and education about it.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: restoretruth on October 06, 2013, 07:50:52 PM
RE Spiritual Formation:

Here is a link to a 15 page PDF document on Elder Bohr's website. It gives a good history of this very deceptive movement, although it is not the latest. Don't know who wrote it, but it is well worth reading!

< http://secretsunsealed.org/Downloads/Spiritual.Formation.paper.pdf  (http://secretsunsealed.org/Downloads/Spiritual.Formation.paper.pdf)>

This other article by Samuel Pipim is even better!

< http://www.adventistsaffirm.org/article/241/previous-issues/volume-23-number-3/trojan-horses-the-new-spirituality-movements  (http://www.adventistsaffirm.org/article/241/previous-issues/volume-23-number-3/trojan-horses-the-new-spirituality-movements)>
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: maymee on October 12, 2013, 12:45:42 PM
Hi everybody, i am new on this forum. In 2003 God himself called me out of the dark spiritual Babylon. I am so disepointed when i see just the same practises of sermons in the local SDA church as i have been use to, but this time a little bit moderated. SDA is God last church on this earth, but the state it is in is very scary. In the revelation Jesus says we are lukewarm, we are poor, blind and naked. we are poor in the true spirit of God, we are blind to our own sinful state, and we are not clothed with the rightusness of Jesus Christ. for many years we were blessed during sister White propfetic work. in the beginning of SDA we were in the philadelpia state and were blessed from God, then during the years, we became Laodicea. We must each and one of us follow the advise from Jesus himself and repent. If we think that we are rich in the holy spirit, are not spiritual blind, and not naked, then we actually call our Saviour a lier!!!! Do not do that. In Many SDA churches they do not longer preach the spirit of Prophesy which is the testimonies of Jesus. What has happened to Gods holy law!  We are supposed to be the one church that defends Gods law to all men, because he is our creator not the roman church. how dare they try to change his Holy law! We have to understand that Jesus is the Heavenly general of all time, he is gathering his endtime army among his people, now is the time to find out if you want to join with your whole self and repent, or be left out in the darkness.Sister White told that SDA will not tolerate rebuke and reproof as a whole congrigation but there will be members who follows the advice from Jesus himself. The bible clearly shows that God does not need quantity but he use quality. Gold tried in fire. we have to stop sitting in our churches folding our hands and discuss all kinds of uninportant stuff that are not our pillars of faith. when we do this, people are sitting in darkness longing for the truth. Sister White told that the work we do not do in good times, we will have to do in bad times. It is time for us to prepare our church to become the church militant to surrender our own will 100% to God then he will give us his Holy spirit in full, and the latter rain will finally come, are YOU ready to go to the spiritual military camp so the Holy Spirit can make you perfect to join Gods endtime army. May God help each and every one of you who really now they have to join, what and hounour we have, go brethern and sisters. my email maymee71@gmail.com
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on October 12, 2013, 06:16:37 PM
experienced this back in the 90s when one brought it in... very strange to me the things he was asking us to do... I did not fill out their forms or provide personal information.. did not join their 'cell groups' as it all seemed so strange to me...   God has made things simple for us to follow in the bible with Jesus as our example.  If we follow that we will not have a problem.  When others try and make us do this and do that and give guarantees about what will happen in the end if we comply... red flags go up for me..  listen to those that have been in the church a long time and can spot the error of this 'new stuff'
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 14, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
setting the tone with an SDA point of view based upon people studying evidence .

  http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Spiritual_Formation_movement_Oakland    (http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Spiritual_Formation_movement_Oakland)

   http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/189/The_Omega_Rebellion_-_English/   (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/189/The_Omega_Rebellion_-_English/)

 http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/408/918-sleepwalking/  (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/408/918-sleepwalking/)

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Using non SDA sources I offer these online reviews of Spiritual Formation.

  http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-spiritual-formation-became.html   (http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-spiritual-formation-became.html)

  http://christianresearchnetwork.org/topic/spiritual-formation/  (http://christianresearchnetwork.org/topic/spiritual-formation/)

  http://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/20-christian-living/753-spiritual-formation    (http://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/20-christian-living/753-spiritual-formation)

  http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c65.shtml   (http://www.understandthetimes.org/commentary/c65.shtml)


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     {GC 234.1} Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time..............and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. {GC 235.1}     

31  And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The NSL that becomes Worldwide is the abomination that is getting placed now behind closed doors.

32  And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

SDA's that leave God's Laws and teachings and join to mystic Babylon's practices and philosophies and disciplines are doing wickedly against God's holy covenant.


44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

The everlasting gospel & present truth infuriate those who reject it and those who fell away from it.

45  And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Dan 12:
1 ¶  And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

During this era when spiritual formation is trying to Babylonize the SDA people and SDA message - Jesus stands up.   Matthew 25:1-13 is Yom Kippur (the I-J) not Perousa (the Second Coming ).
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 14, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
History has lessons showing this ( Spiritual Formation, pagan teachings, philosopies, practices) was used upon Bible obeying Sabbath keeping Christianity centuries before today's era and by whom upon whom and for what reason........... no change across the centuries in mystic Babylon's plans, purposes, philosophies, they just increase cleverness and scope.

Hold up the true, and contrast phoniness compared with truth, as the benchmark.

  http://www.tt.writtentreasures.org/    (http://www.tt.writtentreasures.org/)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRViplORGP0   (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRViplORGP0)
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: maymee on October 18, 2013, 12:13:13 PM
now the sabbath of The Lord has begun in Norway. I watched the changing of the word and the battle of the bibles, and it is soo shocking by the grace of God Brother Veith have got the knowledge about what has happened to the Word Of God. as you know satan and his workers dont change. What they have done this time is actually tried to commit mass murder of the people of God, but in a spiritual way. All bibles today are filled with unbiblical doctrines. Anti christ dont have to murder us like in the middle age, because we are actually drinking of the Babylonian doctrines all by ourself, and know satan is laughfing so much, because many of us are so sick spiritually that we are nearly dying. Already in the time of the apostel Paul did God warned us about corruption of the word. He is also telling that they who tries to ruin The word of God will get a hard but rightuess punishment. Brother Veith told that every modern bible is altered in its doctrines.The King James bible from 1611 restaured by the reformators, and based on the recived text also called textus resepticus i can not find at all, but i find something called textus receptus, written by Erasmus Rotterdam.  This sounds spooky to me, because i have never heard of him as being one of Our Lords reformators. And we have the king James version based on Vulgate which is roman chatholic, and we have the revised king james and authorized king James with apocryph and finally the new king james version, and that is I quat Brother Veith doctrines from the pits of hell, not good for any doctrines. This is the one of the reason why Jesus says we dont know that we are blind, naked and poor. we are lukewarm.  Just the same state that Israel was in during the reigh of ahab and the evil jeesebel.  But we as SDA are so lucky because we know about the neccesary doctrines to be able to prepare for heaven. Just in the day of Elijah we have to choose God or baal, but know satan calls it the eukumenical movement which stands for unity in error. This is not biblical. Jesus wants unity in truth. we can not serve both God and Baal. we have the testemony of Jesus Crist read them, ecspesially the great controvercy, and last days event, and steps to Christ. I am not saying this to condem you brethern, but to warn you, do not drink of the poision from Babylon. By the grace of God we even may have to restore his Holy word, but at the same time be ready to preach the  3 angles message this is messages of separation and the 5 most important doctrines that our faith is based on, not unity in error. God is saying to Laodicea we have to repent and finally choose. Do not let satan take away your eternal life.

Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 18, 2013, 08:54:13 PM
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The sanctification of the soul by the working of the Holy Spirit is the implanting of Christ's nature in humanity. Gospel religion is Christ in the life--a living, active principle. It is the grace of Christ revealed in character and wrought out in good works. The principles of the gospel cannot be disconnected from any department of practical life. Every line of Christian experience and labor is to be a representation of the life of Christ.  {COL 384.1} 

     Love is the basis of godliness. Whatever the profession, no man has pure love to God unless he has unselfish love for his brother. But we can never come into possession of this spirit by trying to love others. What is needed is the love of Christ in the heart. When self is merged in Christ, love springs forth spontaneously. The completeness of Christian character is attained when the impulse to help and bless others springs constantly from within--when the sunshine of heaven fills the heart and is revealed in the countenance.  {COL 384.2}

     It is not possible for the heart in which Christ abides to be destitute of love. If we love God because He first loved us, we shall love all for whom Christ died. We cannot come in touch with divinity without coming in touch with humanity; for in Him who sits upon the throne of the universe, divinity and humanity are combined. Connected with Christ, we are connected with our fellow men by the golden links of the chain of love. Then the pity and compassion of Christ will be manifest in our life. We shall not wait to have the needy and unfortunate brought to us. We shall not need to be entreated to feel for the woes of others. It will be as natural for us to minister to the needy and suffering as it was for Christ to go about doing good.  {COL 384.3} 


What is love built of - what are it’s parts?

Divine Love is God’s nature -
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1 John 4:8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:16  And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Component parts
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2nd Peter 1:
1 ¶  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 ¶  And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6  And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

I can not find spiritual formation as any part of God's nature listed in the above texts.

 
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Happiness is composed of little things and great things. . . . If we would become like Christ and receive His fashion of character, we must in little things train the soul to daily progressive sanctification. We have no time to lose. Would you impress the seal to obtain a clear impression upon the wax, you do not dash it on by a violent action, but you place the seal carefully and firmly and press it down until the wax receives the mold. Just so the Lord is dealing with our souls. . . . Not now and then, but constantly the new life is implanted by the Holy Spirit after Christ's likeness.  {HP 66.4}
 
     Acts make habits and habits constitute character. There is no fear of overlooking great things, but there is peril in overlooking and undervaluing little things. God is the God of the whole man, and the little things are essential. God is a God of the whole man, and not a God of the part. He made all, He redeemed all, and He must be served in all, and then He will bless all, soul and body. Our entire life will then be glorified, and every breath, every sound, every touch will be peace and light and happiness.  {HP 66.5}

Sanctification means two things 1. Set aside or reserved for a use or purpose.  2. Brought into understanding and harmony with. ( in these two cases - reserved for God’s use, and understanding and unalloyed harmony with God) 

Victory over sin & sanctification go hand in hand. Sin stays on Earth to be destroyed with all loyal to it. 

Sanctification leaves sin cursed Earth and continues to follow Jesus into Heaven and in Heaven that process will never cease.

Spiritual formation is designed to sanctify people to the dragon who gave the scarlet woman his power, seat, and great authority; that where it comes from and leads back to.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Raven on October 19, 2013, 03:34:27 AM
Hi everybody, i am new on this forum. In 2003 God himself called me out of the dark spiritual Babylon. I am so disepointed when i see just the same practises of sermons in the local SDA church as i have been use to, but this time a little bit moderated. SDA is God last church on this earth, but the state it is in is very scary. In the revelation Jesus says we are lukewarm, we are poor, blind and naked. we are poor in the true spirit of God, we are blind to our own sinful state, and we are not clothed with the rightusness of Jesus Christ. for many years we were blessed during sister White propfetic work. in the beginning of SDA we were in the philadelpia state and were blessed from God, then during the years, we became Laodicea. We must each and one of us follow the advise from Jesus himself and repent. If we think that we are rich in the holy spirit, are not spiritual blind, and not naked, then we actually call our Saviour a lier!!!! Do not do that. In Many SDA churches they do not longer preach the spirit of Prophesy which is the testimonies of Jesus. What has happened to Gods holy law!  We are supposed to be the one church that defends Gods law to all men, because he is our creator not the roman church. how dare they try to change his Holy law! We have to understand that Jesus is the Heavenly general of all time, he is gathering his endtime army among his people, now is the time to find out if you want to join with your whole self and repent, or be left out in the darkness.Sister White told that SDA will not tolerate rebuke and reproof as a whole congrigation but there will be members who follows the advice from Jesus himself. The bible clearly shows that God does not need quantity but he use quality. Gold tried in fire. we have to stop sitting in our churches folding our hands and discuss all kinds of uninportant stuff that are not our pillars of faith. when we do this, people are sitting in darkness longing for the truth. Sister White told that the work we do not do in good times, we will have to do in bad times. It is time for us to prepare our church to become the church militant to surrender our own will 100% to God then he will give us his Holy spirit in full, and the latter rain will finally come, are YOU ready to go to the spiritual military camp so the Holy Spirit can make you perfect to join Gods endtime army. May God help each and every one of you who really now they have to join, what and hounour we have, go brethern and sisters. my email maymee71@gmail.com

Welcome to the forum, maymee.  You will find that the Advent message is defended here and the SOP is held in high regard.  In fact, while we encourage discussions which are intended to better understand our doctrines, we do not allow attacks on our doctrines or on the SOP.

Yes, the church has many problems, but we were warned by Ellen White that these problems would develop.  But she says that even though the church may appear as about to fall, it will not fall.  This is all part of the shaking, and is transpiring just as she said it would.  "God will arouse His people; if other means fail, heresies will come in among them, which will sift them, separating the chaff from the wheat. The Lord calls upon all who believe His word to awake out of sleep. Precious light has come, appropriate for this time. It is Bible truth, showing the perils that are right upon us. This light should lead us to a diligent study of the Scriptures and a most critical examination of the positions which we hold."  5T 707.

Those of us who have been in the church for a long time know that 50 years ago we did not have to deal with all the garbage which exists today.  Even when I got out of college just over 40 years ago, most of the issues which face us today did not exist, or were in their infancy.  The sanctuary doctrine was just starting to be attacked by Robert Brinsmead, but our beliefs on Creation, homosexuality, proper music and worship, the SOP, and jewelry, were still intact.  Back then one could attend a church almost anywhere and recognize it as a solid SDA church.  now, that is not so easy.  One never knows whether they will get a rock concert, a puppet show, or some other strange aberration.  One might be offered coffee in the foyer and then go in and hear the doctrine of creation and the flood attacked and the SOP denigrated, while the "gay" lifestyle is defended.

While all this could be discouraging, it is also another piece of evidence that proves the reliability of the SOP.  If she had not warned us that this would take place, we might have reason for discouragement.  While we are saddened by the fact that so many have been deceived by false doctrines, we also recognize that the end is very near.  May God give us the strength and discernment to endure to the end.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Tammy on October 19, 2013, 08:35:06 AM
While all this could be discouraging, it is also another piece of evidence that proves the reliability of the SOP. 
Interesting point.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: maymee on October 19, 2013, 11:21:29 AM
Which bible do you use, for reading. What is the most important doctrines of the SDA church. In my church they dont preach much sister White or the 3 angles messages, only eukumenical .... that must be our time babylonian wine.

(Moderator has removed word not appropriate on this forum.  Please be careful!)
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 19, 2013, 12:28:13 PM
Indeed the time has come to talk about these things .           Faith In God......... union with Him as defined and explained by Scripture & SOP ................ is under vigorous global attack.

God's doctrines from Scripture & SOP & the lives created by following Him and them....... they are all vigorously attacked in SDA Churches around the world.

Human relationships and social interaction on God's terms gets replaced in Church by copiously speaking our own words and socialization irreverently carried on during sacred time in the places consecrated to reverent worship of God on His terms. 

Then pagan teachings and occult practices get sanitized and spoon fed us under the name "spiritual formation" and we are so spiritually drunk local SDA's with John the Baptist type speech get punished, and the paganizing teachers of this junk get away with ..... for awhile .

Psalms 73:
1 ¶  « A Psalm of Asaph. » Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.
2  But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
3  For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4  For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
5  They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
6  Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
7  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
8  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
9  They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
12  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
13  Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.
14  For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.
15 ¶  If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
16  When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
17  Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

These things are fortold in prophecy and the Bible history / typology, it is a sign unto us.

 http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1183/1011-mordecai-in-the-gate/   (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1183/1011-mordecai-in-the-gate/)

  http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1184/1012-jeremiah-prophet-of-doom/    (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1184/1012-jeremiah-prophet-of-doom/)

   http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1185/1013-haggai-a-call-to-sanctification/   (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1185/1013-haggai-a-call-to-sanctification/)

  http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1186/1014-nehemiah-governor-of-israel/   (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1186/1014-nehemiah-governor-of-israel/)

 http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1187/1015-ruth-from-ashes-to-glory/   (http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1187/1015-ruth-from-ashes-to-glory/)

We are not left to suffer under endless trash coming in and the grinding of the heels of thos who hate God's rulership in His Own House, His voice they resist,  .. but not endlessly.

Malachi 3:
16  Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
17  And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18  Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: restoretruth on October 21, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
PERILS OF THE EMERGING CHURCH
 A presentation  by Steve Wohlberg at the GYC conference in Collegedale, TN.
 Recorded 10/12/13, 9:00 AM

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/5240/perils-of-the-emerging-church.html  (https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/5240/perils-of-the-emerging-church.html)

https://www.audioverse.org/english/download/dl/16397/2013/10/5240/PerilsOfEmergingChurch.pdf (https://www.audioverse.org/english/download/dl/16397/2013/10/5240/PerilsOfEmergingChurch.pdf)

We watched a part of the video tonight.  We just had to post these links. Wohlberg has a lot of new material here involving our church & spiritual formation, as well as some older information. If you don't have time to listen, you will at least want to download the PDF document & bring up page 58. It describes a new DVD that is coming out soon that is titled  "THE SHAKING- THE STRAIGHT TESTIMONY OF GOD'S WITNESSES AGAINST THE EMERGING CHURCH AND SPIRITUAL FORMATION".

It features  Derek Morris, John Bradshaw, Doug Batchelor, Jay Gallimore, Howard Peth, Herb Douglass & Rick Howard. It is hosted by Aaron & Colette Muth.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: V. Hahn on October 22, 2013, 06:36:59 AM
Thanks for posting the links to this important sermon, Restore!

I listened to it a few days ago, and think it is a sermon EVERY Seventh-day Adventist should hear and share.

I was profoundly touched by Wohlberg's God-given courage to give such a straight testimony regarding spiritual formation and its dangers. Certainly the Shaking is just before us.  We must pray that those who have been taken in by this strange and serious deception can be saved from Satan's snare(s).
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: restoretruth on October 22, 2013, 11:07:19 AM

I listened to it a few days ago, and think it is a sermon EVERY Seventh-day Adventist should hear and share.

I was profoundly touched by Wohlberg's God-given courage to give such a straight testimony regarding spiritual formation and its dangers. Certainly the Shaking is just before us.  We must pray that those who have been taken in by this strange and serious deception can be saved from Satan's snare(s).

AMEN!
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: maymee on October 27, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
spiritual formation is brainwashing, and not from God. Were are the watchmen who is going to defend the Law of God.Dont let brother Veith bare all the burden. In our old doctrines we are the only congregation that have all the light we need to tell all men that judgement day is soon coming and that Jesus will come with the good angles to harvest all that have believed in him trough whole history. If we do not repent and help Jesus to save souls God will hold each and one of us responsible for souls lost. See spirit of prophesy. We have been in Laodicean state long enough! Repent and do your first work. And cleans our churces for babylonian doctrines. God never mix light with darkness. Fear God All mighty that can take your life, and your eternal life....


Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on April 08, 2014, 06:27:17 PM

 In a tight nutshell Spiritual Formation is tenants of Roman Catholicism cloaked in Protestant clothing. Really it is new age spiritualism and Catholicism( which IS new age spiritualism) which so called Protestantism has reached across the gulf and grasped hands with. It  has a thousand tentacles. The easiest way to identify it is to look who is promoting it ,the verbage they use, and then follow the people trail. If a liberal SDA leader is promoting SF with its buzz words just look at the books he recommends and who they recommend. It always leads right back to Loyola Ignatious the Jesuit spiritualist. For the trained eye it is not too hard to tell what is off track by  the principles involved but it is always a clincher when they promote books by Leonard Sweet and others. Sweet always points people to the work of Loyola. There are a number of SDA leaders who are  heavy into this.

The One Project and the Walk to Emmaus Event is heavy Spiritual Formation. We have had personal experience with the latter in our local church and the head elder cannot be made to see what he has been involved in and it affects the whole  church. In fact no one really seems to see that it is a big  problem but myself.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: V. Hahn on April 10, 2014, 07:51:11 AM

We have had personal experience with the latter in our local church and the head elder cannot be made to see what he has been involved in and it affects the whole  church. In fact no one really seems to see that it is a big  problem but myself.

We must pray that God can take their blinders off!
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on April 10, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
there are whole local conferences that are endorsing SP.... churches beware
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on December 30, 2014, 09:45:54 AM
 The One Project is Spiritual Formation tailor made for the SDA church. It is made to appear like baptized Spiritual Formation however the books recommended lead you right back to the real Mc Coy.

The SDA founders and leaders of the One Project , Alex Bryan, Terry Swenson, Tim Gillespie, and Sam Leonor, all attended George Fox University for their Doctor of Ministry. Leonard Sweet taught there and Richard Foster is an alumnist. They are the two highest profile leaders in the  Emergent Church / SF movement. All one has to do is connect the dots and everything is explained. George Fox University is the  brooder house, the spawning bed for SF teachers.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 30, 2014, 12:08:36 PM
That is absolutely right CP. Although the "spiritual disciplines" that are involved with SF are plainly traced back
 to Ignatious Loyola, so far I have not heard anyone make the connection to Vatican II. Vatican II (1962-1965) laid out the tactics and strategies that were to be used in bringing all of the denominations back Rome. If I am not mistaken, these included rock and other kinds of popular music, folk masses, the mass in contemporory languages instead of Latin only, the charismatic movement (talking in tongues etc.), and the use of meditation and SF. and a strong focus on ecuminism and reaching out to other denominations and religions. They have been tremendously successful so far. It seems that no one has noticed the Vatican II connection with what is now taking place.

The documents from Vatican II are posted on line, but there are probably thousands of pages.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on December 30, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html

notice especially tenants #48-90


69. "Groups, associations, ecclesial movements. Christian life, notably the life of particular Churches has been enriched throughout history by a variety of expressions, enterprises and spiritualities, according to the charisms given by the Spirit for the building up of the Church, revealing a clear distinction of tasks in the service of the community.

Those involved in such groups, movements and associations should be imbued with a solid ecumenical spirit, in living out their baptismal commitment in the world,86 whether by seeking Catholic unity through dialogue and communion with similar movements and associations—or the wider communion with other Churches and ecclesial Communities and with the movements and groups inspired by them. These efforts should be carried out on the basis of a sound formation and in the light of Christian wisdom and prudence."

I believe  that what you said Larry, goes without saying. The entire mission of the RCC (meaning universal church) is to devour the world  and pull them under their umbrella.  The huge umbrella "Spiritual Formation" could be summed up in five words " lining up behind the papacy."

Notice also under tenant #50
f)" to collaborate with other Christians in the areas of common work for social justice, economic development, progress in health and education, the safeguarding of creation, and for peace and reconciliation among nations and communities;"

Social justice ( socialism, redistribution of wealth (wiping out the middle class), using culture or man made philosophy to rule) is all part of  the program.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 31, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Cp, It can probably safely assumed that Pope Francis is a Marxist. Former Jesuit and Vatican insider Malachi Martin wrote that a majority of Jesuits were Marxist, especially the ones in South America. His social justice rhetoric fits with the Vatican II statements. I believe that certain American politicians as well as leaderss of some other nations make similar statements
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Pastor Mel on January 04, 2015, 07:05:32 AM
Careful here MayMee! Satan wants to distroy our confidence in God's Word. Don't be a spokesman for him.
I suggest that you prayerfully read Ecclesiastes 5:1&2
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 05, 2015, 07:52:34 AM
Quoting MayMee
Quote
   We have been in Laodicean state long enough! Repent and do your first work. And cleans our churches for Babylonian doctrines. God never mix light with darkness. Fear God All mighty that can take your life, and your eternal life....   

I agree, we have been poor, blind, naked too long  100+ yrs too long.  Jesus promised us that if we did not repent He would move our candlestick out of it's place.  For some He is doing just that. 

Proverbs 20:27  The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

Job 18:6  The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him.

Job 29:3  When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;

Psalms 18:28  For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness.

Jeremiah 25:10  Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.


Luke 11:36  If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Isaiah 50:11  Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

1 John 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 Jesus promised us that if we did not repent He would move our candlestick out of it's place.  For some He is doing just that.  Using SOP - ( solomon candle* = 5 hits )

Jesus removed Solomon's ability to know Him and retain his former wisdom - till he repented and started doing his ( "first works" = 170 hits )

Jesus also said :  both through Moses & in Person

Deuteronomy 10:12  And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13  To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD’S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15  Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16  Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.


Matthew 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html    (http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html)

(1.) How many SDA's can explain Fearing God from Scripture ?   It's our message

(2.) How many SDA candles are missing and they don't care ?   ( have become the silver coins of the parable,<Luke 15:7-10 & {COL 192.3-193.3} >, the poor lost sheep trapped in the thorn bush shivering in the rain, knows he is helpless and cries out, but the coins sleep on. )

(3.) How many NAD & developed country urban - SDA's - understand and apply all three parts of the Sanctuary ?

( This GYC 2014 sermon by Pastor Shin explains my last question.  #3. )
His sermon starts at minute 49:11
  http://youtu.be/JzjFVnb_Qbs  (http://youtu.be/JzjFVnb_Qbs)

----------------
Ezekiel 34:   ( Jesus Christ is that Lord & He is being quoted by Ezekiel )
1 ¶  And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2  Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3  Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4  The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

Ezekiel 34:16  I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 05, 2015, 12:48:03 PM

 I believe "fear" God has a deeper meaning than the Sabbath school  lesson beings out. If it simply means "reverence" then why did the translators choose "fear" instead of "reverence?" I  liken the "fear" God as  something compared to,however on a much lesser scale, to a US fighter jet skimming the tree tops above and breaking the sound barrier before cutting away and flying straight up and away. The ground shakes. The trees are whipped. Those below crouch down and plug their ears while looking up. They are not afraid that the jet is going to attack but the sheer power, noise, and swift maneuvering of the aircraft leaves an impact that the word "reverence" or "respect" would not adequately  describe. One can "reverence" the Word of God and we should. People "respect" the police force. " Fear God" takes on the connotation of awesome to the point of making one tremble. I also believe it is not wise to omit that this includes  fear of punishment. Mrs. White trembled when she saw the frown of God because she was softening her messages of warning. I don't think we should dismiss that part of "fear." That part of fear should not be key or long time motivator however those who that think they can live in disobedience  and be saved have every reason to fear the frown of God.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Tammy on January 05, 2015, 03:37:14 PM
I think you're right, CP, about fear of God.  Many years ago I heard a sermon by Leslie Hardinge where he agreed with what you're saying, I think.  He said that all kinds of people "stand on their exegesisical heads" trying to make it mean "reverence."  But he explained that it doesn't.  He gave an example of how he felt about his father: he respected him but he "feared what he could do to him."

In my thinking the words "a healthy fear" explain what he was saying.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 05, 2015, 04:58:23 PM
Fearing God = 466+ verses in KJV ,  reverence in not excluded but is way too short, start with Deut 10:12-13, the lookup fear* in proverbs, and all minor prophets, it's a start.

Use Scripture's uses as actual definitions.   More later > off to work.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 05, 2015, 05:41:40 PM

Yes, it seems that "fear God" rightly understood is a comprehensive description with depth.

 "Stand in intense awe of to the point of hesitating to approach,"
 "greatly admire,"
  in street terms " blown away by",
  "compelled  to please",
 "fear to disappoint",
 being afraid to be punished by.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 06, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
"Fear God" = 10 Texts
fear* the Lord = 190 Bible Texts
"fearing God" = 1 Bible Text
"feareth God" = 5 Bible Texts
"fear of God" = 8 Bible Texts
fear* God as a word search = 125 Bible Texts
"My Fear" = 4 Bible Texts
"Fear* Me" = 6 Bible Texts
"he fear* " = 10 Bible Texts
"they fear* " = 23 Bible Texts
" fear* not " = 71 Bible Texts
fear* merc* - a word search = 10 Bible Texts 9 that apply to fearing God

Ramifications affecting "fearing God" >  Jesus had no sins or idols between Him & God = Love and trust.

Sailors tossing Jonah over the side - plenty of sins and idols between them and God = guilt and terror.

Hebrews 5:7  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Proverbs 16:6  By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

Fearing God & obeying God - two similar sides of same coin

Deuteronomy 4:10  Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

Deuteronomy 14:23  And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

Deuteronomy 17:19  And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:

Deuteronomy 31:12  Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

Deuteronomy 31:13  And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Psalms 34:11  Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
Psalms 86:11  Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Tammy on January 06, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

Yes, it seems that "fear God" rightly understood is a comprehensive description with depth.

 "Stand in intense awe of to the point of hesitating to approach,"
 "greatly admire,"
  in street terms " blown away by",
  "compelled  to please",
 "fear to disappoint",
 being afraid to be punished by.

These are good summary phrases.

Ed, yes, big topic!  Lots of food for thought you've presented.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 07, 2015, 08:22:56 AM


Spiritual Formation is darkness, let in the light, because light destroys darkness. 

RE "Fearing God" according to Bible definition look up these. ( angel legal* = 7 hits)  {MB 109.1 - 110.1} {ST, December 30, 1889 par. 4}  {YI, September 29, 1892 par. 7}  {9MR 210.2}

What is the very first - Fruit of the Spirit listed, what is the last and foundational character facet of Peter's Ladder <  > ?, what chapter promises "that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God ?    What is the nature of Biblically Fearing God ?   Deut 10:12-13  <0157> (8800)
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 17, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
 Our new pastor to be, fresh out of Walla Walla, is promoting "Social Justice" in his sermons.  It is coming into our churches fast. It is basically socialism and redistribution of wealth focusing away from prophecy and on humanitarianism. It is a diversion. It is a palatable thing because Jesus said to feed the hungry. However, Jesus always gave them the prophetic picture and the gospel along with feeding them. The Social Gospel lays that aside. If we go that route we are no better than nice atheists.   

There is little or no  prophetic message. That's the point. Someone that dies well fed but without God is little better off than someone that dies hungry without God and both are infinitely worse off than someone who dies hungry and follows the Lord. We are to do both not one. How slippery of the devil to emphasize the least important of the two and essential drop the most important part.
               
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on January 18, 2015, 11:53:37 AM
I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Raven on January 19, 2015, 04:38:02 AM
I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

Ellen White is clear keeping Sunday is not the mark of the beast until the Sunday law gets passed.  She is also clear that we are to be preaching the 3 angels' messages--in their entirety, so as to call people out of Babylon before it's too late.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 19, 2015, 08:41:14 AM
I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

That would invite a question to clarify if that's what he meant.( the last part) I'm sorry but if that's what he means he is brain dead. Since when do we not preach future prophetic events ?  You might contact him and ask him about it. If it as you persieve he has not a leg to stand on and I would call him on it and ask him to back it up. Almost all of our schools are theologically bankrupt.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Tammy on January 19, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

No, his saying it's not the mark yet would not, in my mind, mean that he thinks we shouldn't preach the 3-Angels Message yet.  I agree with CP.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 21, 2015, 02:31:53 PM
Former SDA pastor Ryan Bell wrote an article in June of 2010 entitled " I am a Social Justice Christian." About that time or shortly after he became an activist in the church for ordination of women and acceptance of homosexuality. Then he became an atheist. Is there something to be learned from this ? Is a preoccupation with Social Justice a clever diversion where Satan has taken a Biblical mandate to feed the hungry and clothe the naked and turned it into a secular, humanistic, even atheistic  thrust that forgets God ?  So far, I have not seen or heard a thread of emphasis toward prophecy from those in the church that press the Social Justice agenda.
  Is becoming political activists the calling for SDAs ? Is there much going on in the SDA church regarding Social Justice ?  There are 31 pages on the internet with links to sites where SDAs are discussing or promoting  SJ.

The following is a more recent blog from Ryan Bell. "Social Justice" is a counterfeit , humanistic religion that evolves with the culture. Bell speaks at about the 38 minute mark in the video.

 http://www.ryanjbell.net/category/social-justice/ :-o
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: restoretruth on January 21, 2015, 06:56:15 PM
Former SDA pastor Ryan Bell wrote an article in June of 2010 entitled " I am a Social Justice Christian." About that time or shortly after he became an activist in the church for ordination of women and acceptance of homosexuality. Then he became an atheist. Is there something to be learned from this ? Is a preoccupation with Social Justice a clever diversion where Satan has taken a Biblical mandate to feed the hungry and clothe the naked and turned it into a secular, humanistic, even atheistic  thrust that forgets God ?  So far, I have not seen or heard a thread of emphasis toward prophecy from those in the church that press the Social Justice agenda.
  Is becoming political activists the calling for SDAs ? Is there much going on in the SDA church regarding Social Justice ?  There are 31 pages on the internet with links to sites where SDAs are discussing or promoting  SJ.

The following is a more recent blog from Ryan Bell. "Social Justice" is a counterfeit , humanistic religion that evolves with the culture. Bell speaks at about the 38 minute mark in the video.

 http://www.ryanjbell.net/category/social-justice/ :-o

I just happen to look at Spectrum & there is article there about Bell's former church, (Hollywood SDA) that demonstrates their version of the social gospel. You certainly wouldn't know it as SDA! Here are some excerpts:

...we were willing to offend in the tradition of Christ and be outcasts not just within the current culture but within our own denomination as well—a very painful and dangerous place to be.

To pursue justice is to be righteous, they are inseparable and interlocking, though we may not always get the balance right. Intersectionality asks that we center our communities on the most marginalized, the “least of these.” With that focus, we create spaces vibrant with justice and righteousness.

This approach requires that we challenge systemic injustice not as secondary, but as the only way to truly raise up those who are marginalized, to not just tackle their daily needs, which is vital, but to free them from the yoke of injustice, which so often goes unnoticed. It is in this place that we meet God. God who spends Her time in the darkness with those who are weeping and gnashing their teeth; God who calls on us to feed those without food while we break their chains and rebuild their walls.


< http://spectrummagazine.org/article/2015/01/21/intersectional-righteousness-more-melody-mentioned-hollywood-church  (http://spectrummagazine.org/article/2015/01/21/intersectional-righteousness-more-melody-mentioned-hollywood-church)>
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 22, 2015, 07:09:04 AM

 They could have summed that all up in three words. " Long live Diana!"

Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on January 24, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

Ellen White is clear keeping Sunday is not the mark of the beast until the Sunday law gets passed.  She is also clear that we are to be preaching the 3 angels' messages--in their entirety, so as to call people out of Babylon before it's too late.

I've never heard this before...  please Raven I would like to read the quotes...
thanks in advance
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 24, 2015, 06:18:35 PM
huh ?

 
"The Mark of the Beast.--When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome, and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshiping the beast and his image. As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of His authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome,--"the mark of the beast." And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast."--The Great Controversy, p. 449. (1888)  {Ev 233.4}

The mark of the beast does not go into effect as such until it is enforced. True, it is their mark now but it is not   
credited to the people until they have  full light regarding the subject and then are forced to choose or reject the mark.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on January 24, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
so we are not to be giving the 2nd and 3rd angel's messages then...
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Raven on January 25, 2015, 04:24:08 AM
I was told just yesterday by a visiting pastor fresh out of school that sunday is not the mark of the beast , YET.  Yet, was his emphasis... in other words we are not to be giving the 3rd angel's message YET.

Do you all agree with this?

Ellen White is clear keeping Sunday is not the mark of the beast until the Sunday law gets passed.  She is also clear that we are to be preaching the 3 angels' messages--in their entirety, so as to call people out of Babylon before it's too late.

I've never heard this before...  please Raven I would like to read the quotes...
thanks in advance

Cp gave the quote, and it is clearer than what I said.  I phrased it incorrectly.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 25, 2015, 06:40:47 AM
( sunday  mark  law  = 10 hits )

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  The Mark of the Beast.--When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome, and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshiping the beast and his image. As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of His authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome,--"the mark of the beast." And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast."--The Great Controversy, p. 449. (1888)  {Ev 233.4} 


     Reception of Mark of the Beast Future.--The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God's appointment.  {Ev 234.1} 
     No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast.  {Ev 234.2} 
     With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin. --Manuscript 51, 1899.  {Ev 235.1}     


quoting CP's post  color coded emphasis mine

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  "The Mark of the Beast.--When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome, and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshiping the beast and his image. As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of His authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome,--"the mark of the beast." And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast."--The Great Controversy, p. 449. (1888)  {Ev 233.4}

The mark of the beast does not go into effect as such until it is enforced. True, it is their mark now but it is not credited to the people until they have  full light regarding the subject and then are forced to choose or reject the mark. 
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: ColporteurK on January 25, 2015, 09:10:12 AM
so we are not to be giving the 2nd and 3rd angel's messages then...

Of course we are. They were doing that 100 years ago. The book the Great Controversy was/is one way of doing that.

While the pastor had the first part right he used truth to promote error.
Title: Re: New Member--concerned about spiritual formation coming into our church
Post by: newbie on January 25, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
so we are not to be giving the 2nd and 3rd angel's messages then...

Of course we are. They were doing that 100 years ago. The book the Great Controversy was/is one way of doing that.

While the pastor had the first part right he used truth to promote error.
thanks
I was confused because I knew the church started giving the 3rd AM after 1844 and onward.  The 3rd message is about receiving the mark of the beast and I know there was no sunday law at that time and never really did get passed.  And, EGW was seeing people being sealed as well so that also was happening before the NSL.

thanks Ed too for the quotes...  ... remember I'm still a newbie... :lol: