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Title: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Richard OFfill on December 22, 2011, 06:07:56 PM


Our church was a leader in the principle of a vegetable based diet. But not any more!


           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfR7VNvCWzQ&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfR7VNvCWzQ&feature=share)
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on December 22, 2011, 07:28:57 PM
I understand your point.   
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Richard OFfill on December 22, 2011, 08:18:04 PM


I remember years ago when the average person thought of Adventists it was in terms of the church whose members were vegetarians. I haven't done a study but I think it can safely be said that the overwhelming majority of church members world-wide are not vegetarians. Among some fish and chicken are not 'meat'.  Sometimes fish be found a fellowship dinners to say nothing of SDA hospitals at least in the state where I live.

It is encouraging to see the clips from Toronto.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 22, 2011, 11:20:01 PM
I know Adventists who are very familiar with the Spirit of Prophecy quote that says the time will come when we will have to give up all animal products because of the widespread disease in animals. However they continue eating these things saying the time has not come.

Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Raven on December 23, 2011, 07:09:45 AM
Those who insist that the "time has not come" will never recognize the time when it does come (assuming it hasn't come).  With the increase in diseases in "food" animals, it is clear that the counsel from Ellen White was spot on--as it always is.  There was never a better time to go vegan.

By the way, in some oriental countries dog is a delicacy.    :-o
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Carl on December 23, 2011, 07:26:58 AM
I know Adventists who are very familiar with the Spirit of Prophecy quote that says the time will come when we will have to give up all animal products because of the widespread disease in animals. However they continue eating these things saying the time has not come.


Those who insist that the "time has not come" will never recognize the time when it does come (assuming it hasn't come).  With the increase in diseases in "food" animals, it is clear that the counsel from Ellen White was spot on--as it always is.  There was never a better time to go vegan.

By the way, in some oriental countries dog is a delicacy.    :-o

Yes, how sad the chosen blindness especially among SDA's to excuse themselves. If it's not more clear today that the time has long since come when meat is unclean. Massive hormones, CJD (madcow), cancerous animals ok'd for food by the FDA, morbidly sick animals included, and who knows what else. Eating meat is like playing Russian Roulette with three already in the chamber.

Raven, I saw a film where in some Asian countries, there are shops where they serve live snakes blood, squeezed from the snake right in front of you not to mention eating the brains of  live monkeys. And, there are a lot more similar filthy, inhuman practices regularly going on.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on December 23, 2011, 08:08:09 AM
By the way, in some oriental countries dog is a delicacy.    :-o
....and chicken is a vegetable in some areas of Africa :-o
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Richard OFfill on December 23, 2011, 08:27:42 AM


I am reminded of the promise that nothing will hurt or destroy in the holy mountain (new earth)
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 23, 2011, 09:29:47 PM
....and chicken is a vegetable in some areas of Africa :-o
In America, pizza with tomato sauce is a vegetable for school lunches.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on December 24, 2011, 12:36:21 PM
In America, pizza with tomato sauce is a vegetable for school lunches.
not to mention ketchup  :roll:
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Tammy on December 24, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
In America, pizza with tomato sauce is a vegetable for school lunches.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Larry Lyons on December 24, 2011, 04:52:15 PM
Are you serious?
Yes, there is a new administration proposal that includes guidelines for school lunches that would provide more nutritious foods such as fruits and vegetables. Congress is fighting to keep pizza and french fries included as being "vegetables." Of course many people don't understand that pizza and deep fried potatoes in oil make very poor choices for a healthy diet for anyone, much less children. I wonder which lobbyists are pressuirng congress on this?

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/.../t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes

This link worked a minute ago when I typed in to google but now it doesn't. Several links to this story can be found on google.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on April 19, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
                   
                         Jesus Ate Fish…
                              and


Food for thought:
The ministry of our Lord from earth all the way to the second coming was taught the Israelites using the sanctuary.
Now if you look at the sanctuary the part of it that was the shadow of Jesus's earthly ministry was the outer court. And that is where meat was found. It is interesting that this is the only part in the sanctuary where meat was found.
The remaining two parts, of the Tabernacle, the Holy and the Most Holy Place are without meat.

And considering that: Psalm 77:13   Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
And remembering that: Revelation 14:4   These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 The question to ask is where is the Lamb now? And is there meat or room for meat, or fish, where He is right now? In the anti typical day of atonement, the day of fasting, where are we also? Are we where the Lamb is?
 This is just one more reason to understand the sanctuary service. Jesus is not now in the outer court (earth). Have we followed Him by faith and choice where we have ample alternatives or are we still in the outer court eating meat ?  We are told through Inspiration that those who do not follow Christ into the most Holy Place will be left behind.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: sdazeal on April 19, 2014, 03:48:13 PM
I like that, Cp! I will pass it along to my friends at Messiah's Mansion! They love new insights like that.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 22, 2014, 06:06:22 AM
I like
Quote
I am reminded of the promise that nothing will hurt or destroy in the holy mountain (new earth)
the best. 

fruit, fresh, ripe, perfect, free, always there.   :-D
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on April 27, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
My mother has been to more doctors perhaps than the woman with the issue of blood. Since her last doctor  was another misfit she went looking for another. I have tried repeatedly to steer her to one of our natural health clinics but without success.  Two people that she respects very much both told her that they would recommend this new black doctor from Africa. He is a young man and has been educated in New York. While visiting with my mother and looking over her charts they talked about her health concerns and my mother mentioned her youngest son (my younger brother) and his kidney issues. The doctor asked, "do either of you east meat?"  My mother said that she eats a little and my brother has cut back to chicken and fish. The doctor said that that was good but that they should cut our meat entirely. He said that it would give them 15 more years of life if they would do that. Then he asked, "do you happen know any SDAs ?" My mother replied," as a matter of fact  I do."  "You do ?"  He continued. " Well, they have it right when it comes to health !" " If you know someone who is SDA just go by their diet." My mother replied, "  I am a SDA and my oldest son is as well. He does not eat any meat or dairy."  The doctor was taken back a little and said, "that's good. Most all of this is contaminated now." My mother assumed he must be SDA so she asked, " are you SDA?"  " No," he replied, " but they have it right when it comes to health."  I am sending my mother a Ministry of Healing to give him next visit followed by a Great Controversy if he is  receptive. Given his statements, no matter his religious beliefs I would think he should  be most receptive to the MH.

This story is bitter sweet. The sweet part is obvious. The other part is that the majority of SDAs  eat both meat and dairy. I'm going to share this testimony in church. We have SDAs in my local church that say " Jesus ate  meat" while we have non SDA doctors point people to us because of our health message.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 28, 2014, 12:44:14 AM
Jesus ate Biblically clean meat without blood and fat, no diseases, and did so in an era when He still allowed clean meats to loyal followers.  As the time of the end drew closer two challenges grew in prominence - Satan was rev-ing up challenges to both areas.

1. Loyalty to God + spiritual & physical temperance > because Satan was stirring his spiritual weapons preparing for his last campaign to destroy humanity from within and cause them to fail the Investigative Judgement.

2. The Bible's Laws of both mind & health & preparation to stand in the whole armour of God with no unnecessary impingements upon or within mind and body.

Jesus gave us example of His temperate life and refusing the drugged wine on the cross as He battled Satan's attempts to lash out or come down from the cross.

Jesus accepted the deficit of eating meat & dairy within the lawful righteous limits of that era's temperance so He could sympathize with and succour folks dealing with the effects of meat eating.  We are saved by His life, if His life did not have victory over anything and everything that could be made sinful by sins of excess, or by commission, omission, even unlawfully desiring it, coveting it - then His life would not save someone in those shoes needing rescue.

Now that Jesus has testified to stop eating meat & dairy and so on, to continue to do so is like in Noah's era BEFORE the flood.  Insubordination.  Permission was given to Noah, after the flood,  but in EGW's day permission was withdrawn in a general sense with individual situations considered.

There is a strong temptation when doing anything wrong to imitate Ignatius Loyola and change theology to meet the desires and rationalize the behaviour.  I had to struggle to resist rationalizing meat eating and admit to my self I was insubordinately rebelling, the same for eggs and dairy . 

But if I had rationalized I would never have stopped, I would have hardened my heart against what SOP says - and SOP is Jesus talking to me, when I read it.  It took time, finally meat was put away as the idol it is.   After the MI ,  dairy finally was put away too.  My wife & I are Wildwood alumni, and I knew better, and I knew it was rebellion way before the first bite .

Food and the issues thereof do not create creature merits, only Jesus can account someone worthy by imputing it, food choices rightly motivated reinforce and demonstrate loyalty, salvation is by conditions of divine mercy.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on April 28, 2014, 04:21:36 PM
Great victory Ed!
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on May 02, 2014, 07:53:36 PM

 Interestingly, I received a call tonight and the Sabbath school superintendent does not wish to lead out tomorrow in church even though he will be there. The conference president will be there and there will be several church members there who are big into cattle confinement beef production  and a diet of flesh.
I play to share my mother's testimony with the church. It will take courage to give the testimony with power. I solicit your prayers.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on May 03, 2014, 06:13:43 PM

 Interestingly, I received a call tonight and the Sabbath school superintendent does not wish to lead out tomorrow in church even though he will be there. The conference president will be there and there will be several church members there who are big into cattle confinement beef production  and a diet of flesh.
I play to share my mother's testimony with the church. It will take courage to give the testimony with power. I solicit your prayers.
I read this too late....how did it go?
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on May 21, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
Some of modern day Israel's feast days may be a lot more dangerous than previously thought. Feasting on flesh has led to a myriad of diseases. Even when we try to avoid bovine we may not be. Be very careful when purchasing from the health food store. You will ask if a product contained in a capsule is animal free and you may be told "yes."  However, more times than not they are paying no attention to the capsule. Most of the time the capsule is made of bovine cellulose. Most of the time the attendant does not know, does not care, and has not even thought about it. I have found this to be true time and again. The only safe bet is to call the company and ask them specifically about the gelatin capsule. You may think and have been told at the store you have an animal free product while it may contain the dreaded protein prion.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Raven on May 21, 2015, 04:50:19 PM
Most of the products are now labeled if the capsules are vegan.  If it doesn't say vegan or vegetarian, assume they are gelatin.  The gelatin-free capsules are becoming more common.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on May 21, 2015, 05:21:36 PM
so true...been watching this for a long time now... 


that 'veggie' gelatin emes was exposed for selling bovine gel under a false label for a high price... so many of our recipes call for this and nothing else seems to work the same way...

I remember a few years ago telling one of our people that emes lied and all their gelatin was bovine...I told her that it was exposed and going off the market.

Here was her reaction...mind you, she is SDA! 

Oh no!, I must go and buy as much as I can so I can still make my recipes.

Huh?  what?  What's going on here?  I was speechless.

On another similar subject, many of our supplements are now being made in China and they are false labeling everything and don't care and are using gmo products to derive their nutrients and contaminants are in the products as well.

Get your vitamins now from good food from non gmo organic produce.

Can you see how close we are getting to the end?
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on May 22, 2015, 06:22:30 AM
Most of the products are now labeled if the capsules are vegan.  If it doesn't say vegan or vegetarian, assume they are gelatin.  The gelatin-free capsules are becoming more common.

We can purchase our own animal free gelatin capsules and put in them whatever we choose. It is vastly cheaper to do this than to buy them that way. I have done this while making charcoal pills. Once you get the hang of it you can do this fairly rapidly, of course,.... multi tasking while watching Walter Veith, Randy Skeetes, Dwayne Lemon or _________.  :-D
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on August 19, 2015, 06:31:37 AM
 


3:17   [It shall be] a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood. 

This is largely for health reasons. This is unclean meat as indicated in other texts. How many today say, " Jesus ate meat" ?   But Jesus would not eat the dead carcasses today of beef, chicken, and lamb ?   How do we know that? Because He told us not to for reasons more than one. He would not do what He told us not to do.  Today the way that dead flesh is processed and cooked is unclean. It contains the fat ( marbling) and the blood. Cut into any steak that is not well done and the blood will ooze out. To eat dead flesh like was done in the Bible would not be so tasty. The flavor is in the fat and the blood. Many relish today what makes dead flesh unclean even when it parts the hoof and chews the cud. Then there is the disease factor. Dead flesh even at best today contains much disease and yet many lust after it to their death.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on August 19, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
those that go through will be eating the manna, bread from heaven... which is parallel to the health message given us by God...

there are many dear ones that still eat 'clean meats' but unfortunately even those animals are very sick and those that continue to eat them will probably die in Christ before the end... 

God bless us all as we continue to grow in truth, trust, obedience to His Word
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on August 24, 2015, 10:40:36 AM
those that go through will be eating the manna, bread from heaven... which is parallel to the health message given us by God...

there are many dear ones that still eat 'clean meats' but unfortunately even those animals are very sick and those that continue to eat them will probably die in Christ before the end... 

God bless us all as we continue to grow in truth, trust, obedience to His Word

As you say,  there are many dear ones that do not have the light we have. Some of them will die in Christ. Yet there are many among us that persist in lusting after flesh in the clear light shining down upon our paths. We are told that the majority that do so will go out from among us spiritually if not physically. Many will die outside of Christ because they have not subjected to Him and allowed Him to bring all things under his dominion. Beef is unclean in another sense than Lev. 11 if it still contains the fat and the blood. Our people are in many instances consuming these animals when vegetables, grain, fruit and nuts abound.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on August 24, 2015, 05:39:22 PM
each one of us has to decide....  step by step I say to some that find it hard to change...
taste buds can change...takes about 30 days and then you will desire the things that you eat...

when people do change, they need to get rid of the toxins that their bodies have built up over the years... eat lots of greens or if you are overwhelmed with that chose a good organic source of wheat grass and drink it in a smoothie or fruit juice...  do this 2x a day until fully detoxed and then just once a day for general maintenance
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on August 24, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
another healthy food that helps the body to alkalize is asparagus...
 
 love it but after eating it daily for a while, got tired of it.  So,  tried different ways to prepare it to no avail.  Then dehydrated it at a low temperature to retain the nutrients.  Tasted really good and now use it  for a nice snack or appetizer.  A bit chewy so if you don't have your own teeth you might not like it...
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on August 29, 2015, 11:17:51 AM
  If I'm not mistaken just about all green veggie type crops are alkalizing. Love asparagus. It's my favorite vegetable. The problem with store bought asparagus is they let it get too tall before harvest and then cut it off at the ground. Half of the stalk is woody and must be discarded. That nearly doubles the price. In the rare event that the asparagus is of a goodly diameter you can peel it. The best is if you can grow your own. It is good raw or slightly steamed with a little flax seed oil and sea salt.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on August 30, 2015, 12:11:32 PM
  If I'm not mistaken just about all green veggie type crops are alkalizing. Love asparagus. It's my favorite vegetable. The problem with store bought asparagus is they let it get too tall before harvest and then cut it off at the ground. Half of the stalk is woody and must be discarded. That nearly doubles the price. In the rare event that the asparagus is of a goodly diameter you can peel it. The best is if you can grow your own. It is good raw or slightly steamed with a little flax seed oil and sea salt.
have also noticed too how the stalk is woody and no good...

most greens are very good but some have better qualities than others... for example, cilantro is excellent for mercury detox. 

I tested a cooked asparagus spear in the refrig for a month and it never decayed... hmmm.  Most anything else would have fungus all over it... 

Seems that cooked asparagus is the best and cooking does not degrade its quality for the body.


note:  seemed like after I posted on the subject of being vegetarian, the forum came to a halt... yikes, didn't want to do that
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on August 31, 2015, 07:45:27 AM

Many are not on board with the health message. There are a lot of threads. Just keep the information coming. Many appreciate it. Never has there been a time when the message is so badly needed. I just posted an experience over on the canvassing thread. My friend John died of cancer. First they removed a cancerous tumor from his side the size of a football. Then it came back in the same place and was larger than a basketball when he died. It was a fast growing cancer and his wife said it grew so big and stretched the skin so tight. He drank high quantities of milk and was not into health particularly. I wish I would have stressed ,more the health message early on with him. I don't know if it was the milk that caused the cancer but it may well have been.

I wonder if your asparagus kept without fungus in the frig because of the high sulfur content of asparagus.
I'm sure you have noticed that there is an after effect from eating asparagus when one eliminates.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on August 31, 2015, 07:41:09 PM
I wonder if your asparagus kept without fungus in the frig because of the high sulfur content of asparagus.  very possible
I'm sure you have noticed that there is an after effect from eating asparagus when one eliminates. yes  :-D that way, I know it is working ... lol

for those people that do not like eating greens or are sick of them try organic us grown wheat grass in a smoothie or in a juice glass....

more and more I'm seeing people with thyroid and parathyroid problems and this comes from the additives in the jet fuel...  these people are meat and potato types and do not eat their greens to detox from the toxins we take in on a daily basis... dr oz had a program on this... of all things!!
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on September 26, 2015, 04:00:05 PM

A frequent visitor  ( non SDA) in our local church is into a health message according to his own ways. He believes that the right nutrient / supplement  will cure and prevent every disease.  He takes issue with the SOP and the vegetarian diet. Today he said, " the SDA church would grow dramatically if they would emphasize the Jesus diet rather than the Daniel diet. "   My reply would be, " In the last days the Daniel diet is the Jesus diet." 

Do you agree with him ? In other words do you think to stop emphasizing the superiority of the vegetarian diet would cause the church to grow and prosper ?  How would you answer him?
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on September 26, 2015, 04:20:33 PM

A frequent visitor  ( non SDA) in our local church is into a health message according to his own ways. He believes that the right nutrient / supplement  will cure and prevent every disease.  He takes issue with the SOP and the vegetarian diet. Today he said, " the SDA church would grow dramatically if they would emphasize the Jesus diet rather than the Daniel diet. "   My reply would be, " In the last days the Daniel diet is the Jesus diet." 

Do you agree with him ? In other words do you think to stop emphasizing the superiority of the vegetarian diet would cause the church to grow and prosper ?  How would you answer him?

He is right!  It comes from the fruit of the tree of life!!  Go there and eat and you will be disease free.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Raven on September 27, 2015, 03:06:29 AM

A frequent visitor  ( non SDA) in our local church is into a health message according to his own ways. He believes that the right nutrient / supplement  will cure and prevent every disease.  He takes issue with the SOP and the vegetarian diet. Today he said, " the SDA church would grow dramatically if they would emphasize the Jesus diet rather than the Daniel diet. "   My reply would be, " In the last days the Daniel diet is the Jesus diet." 

Do you agree with him ? In other words do you think to stop emphasizing the superiority of the vegetarian diet would cause the church to grow and prosper ?  How would you answer him?

The fact that he disagrees with the SOP is enough to discredit his ideas.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 01, 2015, 06:42:09 AM
For many the health message as a message and disinterested medical missionary work is the entering wedge to bring the rest of the message to the heart of the log, their need, and desire to remove the pains those needs cause, is the hammer pounding the wedge.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on October 28, 2015, 06:35:05 PM

Diseases associated with the consumption on animals products is escalating just like we were told about a century ago.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 29, 2015, 09:04:27 PM
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Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: V. Hahn on October 30, 2015, 10:50:38 AM
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Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: ColporteurK on May 17, 2016, 08:50:18 AM

We have SDA friends, more or less, who are pretty liberal in many ways including flesh diet, pop etc.,etc.. The wife is taking mainline nursing classes. My wife was a guinnea pig for her as each student needed a subject for class in terms of blood work, etc.. The teacher of the class announced that my wife had by far the most healthy blood and best vitals of anyone in the class. My wife is vegetarian and most of the time vegan however she is a bit loose in terms of candies and "junk food" when away from home and she is  overweight. Even so she, you might say aced the class in terms of a good report. Our friend, who poked my wife with the needle joked in the class saying that my wife "eats alot of meat and stuff." Then she said, "no, she's a vegetarian." Many had real problems with blood pressure, cholesterol , etc.. This was a great witness to the class and particularly our friend who eats meat. The best preaching is the evidence.
Title: Re: Be Vegetarian
Post by: newbie on May 18, 2016, 07:59:26 AM
and it's not just eating the right foods, it is also about how often and no snacking between meals and nothing at night...2 meals a day that is...
also not such a huge variety that makes it hard to digest and not too much at any one meal... 
this is hard for many and myself too especially around potluck meals...
BUT once, the battle over the belly is overcome, many other defects and errors in the character will be overcome as well...
seems like the 3 temptations in the wilderness are the big three we must in our own lives conquer through Jesus too... the first being appetite...presumption next...then worldliness