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Title: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 07, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
Hi all,

 I feel kind of selfish asking for pray today, but I feel I really do need it.

As some of you may know I have a rare condition and it causing quite a bit of havoc in My body at the moment. I will be going into hospital this coming Monday, as long as the symptoms do not dramatically over the next few days, if not I will be in there sooner. I will be going in to have blood drained from my left lung and abdomen and will be having more scans of my internal organs to decided what the next plan will be in treating all of this. I am currently baffling my doctors as I am allergic to the typical medications. I may be facing multiple organ transplants depending on what happens on Monday.

You don't have to if you don't want to or don't feel impressed to, there are plenty more people out there who need your prayers more than me!

God Bless
Tamara
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: newbie on October 07, 2010, 08:14:45 PM
prayers for you Tamara...
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Larry Lyons on October 07, 2010, 10:46:06 PM
I am praying for you Tamara.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Raven on October 08, 2010, 05:37:40 AM
We will be praying for you.  It is not selfish at all to request prayer.  We are admonished to pray for each other.  We all need others to pray for us.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 08, 2010, 06:16:23 AM
We will be praying for you.  It is not selfish at all to request prayer.  We are admonished to pray for each other.  We all need others to pray for us.

Thank you Raven, I am sorry, I just find it difficult at times to even pray for myself, I much more readily pray for others... I am still stuck in the inadequate mind set which is so frustrating because I understand I am loved and cared for and that Jesus would have died just for me and that God wants that relationship with me... I don't know... sorry...
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Raven on October 08, 2010, 07:35:24 AM
Thank you Raven, I am sorry, I just find it difficult at times to even pray for myself, I much more readily pray for others... I am still stuck in the inadequate mind set which is so frustrating because I understand I am loved and cared for and that Jesus would have died just for me and that God wants that relationship with me... I don't know... sorry...

The one whom Jesus commended was the one who recognized his extreme wretchedness.  The publican said, "God be merciful to me, the sinner.  The KJV says "a sinner," but the original Greek says "the sinner," as if he were the only one.  Anyway, it was he who was justified.  It's when we recognize that we are in bad shape that God can help us.  Wherefore, let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. I Cor. 10:12
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Carl on October 08, 2010, 07:49:47 AM
Oh Tamara! This time's for you. Of course I will ask Jesus for healing you and will also put you on my Sabbath morning prayer list.  And certainly you can ask the Lord for help, He will do the best thing for you as He always does.

Look forward to that soon coming time when we will not know sickness ever again Tamara.

Carl
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: restoretruth on October 08, 2010, 09:05:11 AM
Hi Tamara,

We know you love & trust God! You are a loving witness for Him on this forum! Just continue to put your faith in Jesus. My wife & ! will be praying for you, also!  Never forget ...  there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. ...Prov.18:24 (ESV) May God bless & restore you to good health! God will give you faith & courage!

In christian love,
Restoretruth
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 08, 2010, 12:02:52 PM
Hi all,

 I feel kind of selfish asking for pray today, but I feel I really do need it.

As some of you may know I have a rare condition and it causing quite a bit of havoc in My body at the moment. I will be going into hospital this coming Monday, as long as the symptoms do not dramatically over the next few days, if not I will be in there sooner. I will be going in to have blood drained from my left lung and abdomen and will be having more scans of my internal organs to decided what the next plan will be in treating all of this. I am currently baffling my doctors as I am allergic to the typical medications. I may be facing multiple organ transplants depending on what happens on Monday.

You don't have to if you don't want to or don't feel impressed to, there are plenty more people out there who need your prayers more than me!

God Bless
Tamara

So sorry Tamara to hear about your illness. It sounds like you are facing a difficult time.

We all need to call on the Great Physician, as only He knows the exact treatment needed.

Father,
We pray for Tamara at this time of need and anticipation of difficult procedures. We pray that your hand will be on the doctors and nurses taking care of her, and that your healing hand will guide them and heal her body. Keep her faith strong.  Thanks for the spiritual healing which she has already experienced. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: V. Hahn on October 08, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
You have been added to my prayer list, Tamara.  I am so sorry to hear you have to go through this, but remember that God is the Great Physician.  He knows just what you need.  I pray also that He will comfort you and give you a peace that passes all understanding. (Phil. 4:6,7)

Vicki
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Russell on October 09, 2010, 03:48:05 PM
Tamara,
Just wanted to let you know that I have added you to my prayer list. May God continue to give you courage and strength through His presence with you through all that you are experiencing now and up ahead. Also, I just wanted to say that you should never feel bad about asking for prayer as we are to always be intercessors in prayer for one another. That's part of our being members of Gods family. :-D
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 09, 2010, 03:56:21 PM
Tamara,
Just wanted to let you know that I have added you to my prayer list. May God continue to give you courage and strength through His presence with you through all that you are experiencing now and up ahead. Also, I just wanted to say that you should never feel bad about asking for prayer as we are to always be intercessors in prayer for one another. That's part of our being members of Gods family. :-D

Thank you very much for your prayers and support Russell and welcome/ welcome back to the forum!
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 09, 2010, 08:48:41 PM
My prayers will be added to the others, also.  So sorry to learn of your health trials. You are loved, little sister.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 10, 2010, 10:58:31 PM
Hi all, I have some good and bad news at the moment, it was a very intersting visit to the hospital this time around to say the least.

I went in and got the blood drained and had a tissue sample of my lung taken for observation, there are cysts forming on my left lung which my doctors are worried about. But it is going to be okay I think, I hope, I pray... I had 3 litres or fluid and blood, estimated volume of about 700ml of blood was in that, drained from my abdomen and lung. No wonder I was not feeling the best of late!

By the looks of the scans there is minimal scaring and relatively no alteration in the function of my kidneys or liver and my heart is holding in there really well :) So is just this pesky Left lung now that we have to deal with, hopefully without surgery. The state of most of my veins and arteries is surprisingly good as well so no problems there.

Completely shocked my doctors when I could walk in today, looked like I was pregnant there was that much fluid! And to be able to move and function like I was, he said it was a miracle. God is so good! It is amazing, he had expected my diet to negatively affect all of it, kept telling me I needed fish oil and ALOT of it along with more red meat to try and fix the iron problems, certainly showed him! Very seriously reconsidering his treatment plan for me and one other woman now!
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 10, 2010, 11:09:34 PM
God loves taking care of you,  He's your perfect Father, and I am praying for you too.   Someday you will get to hear Him sing and your name will be part of His song of rejoicing.   What ever is in store for you He holds you in His hands.   Rest in the fact He treasures you.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Carl on October 13, 2010, 03:59:36 PM
No matter what the outcome or how dark things may seem, trust completely in the Lord Tamara. He will only do what's ultimately best for you. We may not like what's going on at the moment but but talk to Him about it and listen for that still small voice.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 13, 2010, 08:45:46 PM
Completely shocked my doctors when I could walk in today, looked like I was pregnant there was that much fluid! And to be able to move and function like I was, he said it was a miracle. God is so good! It is amazing, he had expected my diet to negatively affect all of it, kept telling me I needed fish oil and ALOT of it along with more red meat to try and fix the iron problems, certainly showed him! Very seriously reconsidering his treatment plan for me and one other woman now!

We should be praying for your Dr. too!  :-)

Have you looked into being anointed?

James 5:14-16 "Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:  And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 14, 2010, 12:57:49 AM
We should be praying for your Dr. too!  :-)

Have you looked into being anointed?

James 5:14-16 "Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:  And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

I went through an anointing service with my pastor about a week ago when I was really bad.
The improvement over this week has just been incredible, I have been able to eat properly again and no more fluid has built up so I am able to function quite normally which has been brilliant! Also alot more energy which has really helped, back at school and just feeling so much happier. I get to forget for a few hours that I am sick and it is wonderful, God really is so good! He takes care of me :)
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Pamela Adams on October 14, 2010, 03:30:13 AM
So good to hear this.....you are a most precious lady...to all of us here...
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: newbie on October 14, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
I went through an anointing service with my pastor about a week ago when I was really bad.
The improvement over this week has just been incredible, I have been able to eat properly again and no more fluid has built up so I am able to function quite normally which has been brilliant! Also alot more energy which has really helped, back at school and just feeling so much happier. I get to forget for a few hours that I am sick and it is wonderful, God really is so good! He takes care of me :)
thanks for the update... and how wonderful our God is!!!
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 14, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
We should be praying for your Dr. too!  :-)


The point that the doctor is making is that Tamara needs more protein and iron which red meat contains. There is never any harm in fish oil, and you can buy good natural forms of it without eating fish. Protein is necessary to keep the fluids from recollecting.  The Doctor is absolutely correct, but as long as you have another way to replenish the protein and iron, then you will be fine.

Praise God for your progress Tamara.

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 14, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
The point that the doctor is making is that Tamara needs more protein and iron which red meat contains. There is never any harm in fish oil, and you can buy good natural forms of it without eating fish. Protein is necessary to keep the fluids from recollecting.  The Doctor is absolutely correct, but as long as you have another way to replenish the protein and iron, then you will be fine.

Praise God for your progress Tamara.

Stan

Actually his point origionally was that I would NEVER be able to get enough iron more than protein, he understands vegetable protein but because of how my body is, it produces a huge amount of faulty red blood cells which then need to be replaced, needing more iron... He is warming to my diet, I think he sees I am careful about what I eat and how much and that it is most certainly working! I actually get enough of what I would get from fish oil tablets as well, flax seeds and walnuts are just wonderful and so useful. He wants me to put on more weight again to, becausse with each attack I loose an unblievable amount of weight, I am  not sure how to go about this safely, any ideas?
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: V. Hahn on October 14, 2010, 02:08:14 PM
Actually his point origionally was that I would NEVER be able to get enough iron more than protein, he understands vegetable protein but because of how my body is, it produces a huge amount of faulty red blood cells which then need to be replaced, needing more iron... He is warming to my diet, I think he sees I am careful about what I eat and how much and that it is most certainly working! I actually get enough of what I would get from fish oil tablets as well, flax seeds and walnuts are just wonderful and so useful. He wants me to put on more weight again to, becausse with each attack I loose an unblievable amount of weight, I am  not sure how to go about this safely, any ideas?

I'd be glad to lend you a few pounds (or is it kilos?)   :-)

Seriously, I'm so glad you are doing well, Tamara.  God bless you!

Vicki
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 14, 2010, 07:51:50 PM
There is never any harm in fish oil, and you can buy good natural forms of it without eating fish.

Not sure how you go about eating fish oil without eating fish - the oil is fish... :lol:

God's wisdom is above man's wisdom. Be it a Dr or not.


Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 14, 2010, 08:05:51 PM
Actually his point origionally was that I would NEVER be able to get enough iron more than protein, he understands vegetable protein but because of how my body is, it produces a huge amount of faulty red blood cells which then need to be replaced, needing more iron... He is warming to my diet, I think he sees I am careful about what I eat and how much and that it is most certainly working! I actually get enough of what I would get from fish oil tablets as well, flax seeds and walnuts are just wonderful and so useful. He wants me to put on more weight again to, becausse with each attack I loose an unblievable amount of weight, I am  not sure how to go about this safely, any ideas?

Years ago I read how they pack on the pounds, supposedly safely, for actors who need to gain for a movie. They hire dieticians or nutritionists (I forget their title) to watch over the persons eating habits. They have them eat more healthy food - lots of it. But, most importantly, stay away from the fattening stuff - no doughnuts. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 14, 2010, 08:35:48 PM
Not sure how you go about eating fish oil without eating fish - the oil is fish... :lol:

God's wisdom is above man's wisdom. Be it a Dr or not.




You can buy fish oil tablets in a pure form without eating fish.

I agree God's wisdom is above man's wisdom, and Jesus, who is God, while on this earth ate fish, and supplied it to others. It unfortunately is more polluted today, but there is nothing wrong with eating fish. Many studies have shown that eating fish like salmon is heart healthy.  :-)

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 14, 2010, 08:46:58 PM
Actually his point origionally was that I would NEVER be able to get enough iron more than protein, he understands vegetable protein but because of how my body is, it produces a huge amount of faulty red blood cells which then need to be replaced, needing more iron... He is warming to my diet, I think he sees I am careful about what I eat and how much and that it is most certainly working! I actually get enough of what I would get from fish oil tablets as well, flax seeds and walnuts are just wonderful and so useful. He wants me to put on more weight again to, becausse with each attack I loose an unblievable amount of weight, I am  not sure how to go about this safely, any ideas?

Tamara,

It sounds like you might need to eat some meat, and eggs. I think there were times when Ellen White advised people to eat meat, because their health was being deprived by not eating it. I remember reading that somewhere.
Steak and potatoes may be what you need. Red meat is filled with iron and protein. If you really need to gain weight, this may be necessary, and a vegetarian diet may not always be right for you.  :-)

I have to say, that if you were my hospital patient, that is what I would advise as well.  There may be protein shakes where you can supplement protein. Also, eat eggs, and some cheese. Iron tablets will help.

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 14, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
You can buy fish oil tablets in a pure form without eating fish.

I agree God's wisdom is above man's wisdom, and Jesus, who is God, while on this earth ate fish, and supplied it to others. It unfortunately is more polluted today, but there is nothing wrong with eating fish. Many studies have shown that eating fish like salmon is heart healthy.  :-)

Stan

Ingesting fish oil is eating fish.

Yes, Jesus ate fish. It wasn't diseased as it is today, as you pointed out. I don't follow your reasoning that it is OK to eat polluted fish. Studies may show it is good for the heart, but a couple of questions with that - who financed the studies? Did the studies only show heart health? What about the rest of the body? Studies show wine is healthy - how many brain cells must one lose before it is detrimental? Studies show chocolate is healthy. Studies show milk is good for you. Studies show, studies show... Keep your studies, I'll stick to God's prophet, and God's wisdom.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 14, 2010, 09:29:46 PM
Also, eat eggs, and some cheese.

Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach. Counsels on Diets and Foods, p 368.4
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 14, 2010, 09:31:18 PM
Tamara, you have chosen a good diet. Your experience at the Dr's office confirmed that. Stick with Jesus and you can't go wrong. God bless, little sister.  :-)
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 14, 2010, 10:23:59 PM
Tamara, you have chosen a good diet. Your experience at the Dr's office confirmed that. Stick with Jesus and you can't go wrong. God bless, little sister.  :-)

Thank you :)
I never used to be a vegetarian and only one of my brothers is now, thanks to the influence of his current girlfriend! But goinging vegetarian/semi-vegan has been very good for me. I was quite over weight before and I lost it all safely and felt alot better for it. But am no under weight thanks to my illness, so putting on weight without damaging my body is important, I was suggested things like more fruit and soy products to indoduce extra sugars and protein. Have been working on muscle mass as well so that I will be stronger and able to cope better when I flare up :)

Jesus hasn't led me astray so far and I don't think He ever will :)
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 15, 2010, 01:34:31 AM
Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach. Counsels on Diets and Foods, p 368.4

Please understand that I was specifically dealing with what appears to be an unusual and unique medical situation. It is not as simple as producing an EGW quote for every situation. In fact I think that she would not be happy if her writings were being used as a "gotcha" to be used on a forum in this manner when we are dealing with a unique medical situation.

Cheese processing has changed and improved over the last 100 years. Besides, there are other statements she made about cheese which are not as condemnatory.

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 15, 2010, 01:54:54 AM
Thank you :)
I never used to be a vegetarian and only one of my brothers is now, thanks to the influence of his current girlfriend! But goinging vegetarian/semi-vegan has been very good for me. I was quite over weight before and I lost it all safely and felt alot better for it. But am no under weight thanks to my illness, so putting on weight without damaging my body is important, I was suggested things like more fruit and soy products to indoduce extra sugars and protein. Have been working on muscle mass as well so that I will be stronger and able to cope better when I flare up :)

Jesus hasn't led me astray so far and I don't think He ever will :)

Actually his point origionally was that I would NEVER be able to get enough iron more than protein, he understands vegetable protein but because of how my body is, it produces a huge amount of faulty red blood cells which then need to be replaced, needing more iron... He is warming to my diet, I think he sees I am careful about what I eat and how much and that it is most certainly working! I actually get enough of what I would get from fish oil tablets as well, flax seeds and walnuts are just wonderful and so useful. He wants me to put on more weight again to, becausse with each attack I loose an unblievable amount of weight, I am  not sure how to go about this safely, any ideas?


Tamara,
You have given just enough information for me to be very concerned about your nutritional situation. I would consider very carefully your doctor's advice.

You have said that you originally lost a lot of weight by becoming vegetarian. That is fine. I am not against a vegetarian diet when it is appropriate. But now, you have a relatively rare and unique medical situation. It is possible that you now need to temporarily return to a diet containing meat, fish and eggs, as well as some cheese.

Are you a total vegan? Do you at least eat eggs? Have you had your vitamin B12 level checked?

Your illness may even be related or aggravated by not getting certain vital nutrients. I don't have enough information to say that, but if you are now losing weight and need to gain weight, then it seems like an urgent situation to return to your previous diet, which may be less than ideal when a person is well, but may be necessary now.

Again, I don't have all the facts of your medical condition, but there is enough here to make me concerned.

Stan

Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 15, 2010, 04:07:11 AM

Tamara,
You have given just enough information for me to be very concerned about your nutritional situation. I would consider very carefully your doctor's advice.

You have said that you originally lost a lot of weight by becoming vegetarian. That is fine. I am not against a vegetarian diet when it is appropriate. But now, you have a relatively rare and unique medical situation. It is possible that you now need to temporarily return to a diet containing meat, fish and eggs, as well as some cheese.

Are you a total vegan? Do you at least eat eggs? Have you had your vitamin B12 level checked?

Your illness may even be related or aggravated by not getting certain vital nutrients. I don't have enough information to say that, but if you are now losing weight and need to gain weight, then it seems like an urgent situation to return to your previous diet, which may be less than ideal when a person is well, but may be necessary now.

Again, I don't have all the facts of your medical condition, but there is enough here to make me concerned.

Stan



Hello Stan,

Well here is a little more info for you,

I have Urticarial Vasculitis Hypocomplimenta but I am not displaying normally as it has also internalised as well as recovering still from an infection that occurred whilst receiving surgical treatment for polycystic ovary syndrome that had turned cancerous. :|. I initially deliberately lost the weight and then maintained my body at a regular size with diet. The main weight loss due to illness has been from the inability to eat at all, and I am not exactly emaciated, but my doctor does not want me to fall any further if I have another sever attack before I have completely re-couperated.

My doctor has actually recanted his original plan after seeing how my body has reacted after this last flare which was much more sever than normal. As my bodily functions and blood tests came much closer to normal than what would have been expected.

I do eat eggs and small amounts of dairy on occasion, purely because of the situation I live in. My family took alot to work past no meat! My doctor now just wants me to gain a few kg (roughly 4lb. or so) but he wants me to do it slowly to help my body cope. I have found if I have a little more soy and beans rather than rice it has helped in the past to gain the weight. I have found that I physically I feel alot worse and take alot longer to recover if I eat meat of any kind or have too much dairy. The jury is still out about eggs, not sure eon those as of yet. My doctor is actually agreeing with me now after seeing me on both diets.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Richard OFfill on October 15, 2010, 04:57:58 AM
Greetings from England, where Berty and I have been doing revival meetings! 

I was just scanning down this thread.  A week or so ago Betty and I were in the town of, believe it or not, Cheddar.  There we saw the making of Cheddar cheese.  I was interested to hear them say that they use a vegetable rather an animal-derived rennin to begin the cheese process.   It was interesting to watch them make cheese from the beginning to the end.

We have a granddaughter who last year was suffering from anorexia, which can be fatal.  Special steps were taken for her to be able to recuperate her health.  I am glad that she is nearly back to normal.

We're glad to have Tamara on the forum and pray that she will be able to recouperate her health.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: V. Hahn on October 15, 2010, 05:32:47 AM
I was surprised when I heard that sumo wrestlers gained their weight by eating lots of rice.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Raven on October 15, 2010, 05:38:04 AM
Ingesting fish oil is eating fish.

Yes, Jesus ate fish. It wasn't diseased as it is today, as you pointed out. I don't follow your reasoning that it is OK to eat polluted fish. Studies may show it is good for the heart, but a couple of questions with that - who financed the studies? Did the studies only show heart health? What about the rest of the body? Studies show wine is healthy - how many brain cells must one lose before it is detrimental? Studies show chocolate is healthy. Studies show milk is good for you. Studies show, studies show... Keep your studies, I'll stick to God's prophet, and God's wisdom.

Amen!  How did this thread deteriorate into a debate over proper diet?  :|  In spite of what some have said, meat is never a good alternative when a balance of fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables are available.  In Tamara's case, I would not want to condemn her for using dairy products or eggs.  There may be times when it may be beneficial.  For most of us though, these are not necessary.  What bothers me is the ease with which some are so quick to judge others for their dietary habits (I'm not referring to the current discussion).  A vegan diet is the best, but it will not guarantee long life or health.  Neither will it prevent obesity.  Self control is at the bottom of a proper diet.

At any rate, we can continue to pray that Tamara will be restored to good health so that she can return to the diet that she knows is best for her.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Larry Lyons on October 15, 2010, 03:54:41 PM
Amen!  How did this thread deteriorate into a debate over proper diet?  :|  In spite of what some have said, meat is never a good alternative when a balance of fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables are available.  In Tamara's case, I would not want to condemn her for using dairy products or eggs.  There may be times when it may be beneficial.  For most of us though, these are not necessary.  What bothers me is the ease with which some are so quick to judge others for their dietary habits (I'm not referring to the current discussion).  A vegan diet is the best, but it will not guarantee long life or health.  Neither will it prevent obesity.  Self control is at the bottom of a proper diet.

At any rate, we can continue to pray that Tamara will be restored to good health so that she can return to the diet that she knows is best for her.
Well said Raven.
There was a period of time when the only fish in the world that was not contaminated by mercury were caught in the arctic ocean. I read a report recently that said that it was no longer the case. There are no fish anywhere that are uncontaminated by mercury. Also I heard in a lecture by someone who has done extensive research in the area of nutrition and physiology that fish actually contain much fat.  Cheese is deposited as plaque on the inside of arteries. There is no reason to use milk or cheese. Milk and milk products tend to acidify the body and in order to stabilize the Ph, calcium is leached from the bones. Eventually this will result in osteoporosis and often ultimately broken hips in the elderly. (Which often is a situation that leads to death).

Tamara, your doctor knows you and your condition. I presume he is a specialist in a field that deals with your condition.  He agrees that what you are doing is working. Stick to your course. We can never go wrong by following inspired counsel.

There is an interesting book that was published in 2005 by Don McMahon, a physician in Australia  and Leonard Brand, a Phd professor of biology and paleontolgy at Loma Linda. The book is titled "The Prophet and Her Critics." One of their projects was to examine the statements concerning health that Ellen White wrote, and compare them with what is the latest in research and in current medical practice. They also did the same comparison with other writers on health in her day, and also they did the same with John Harvey Kellogg's writings.

 In doing the research, they evaluated EGW's "what" statements separately from her "why" statements. They found that her "what" statements compared closely to todays knowledge of health, disease and medical practice. The "why" statements were not as closely corellated. They concluded that the reason for this was that if had God given her the complicated physiological "why" reasons, neither she nor anyone else would have comprehended. Science was not advanced to the point that they could make sense of the explanations.

The health books written by other authors of her day have a low corellation to current medical practice and to what is known about health and disease today. Kellogg's writings did not compare favorably either.

We have very good evidence to have confidence in Ellen White's writings.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: ejclark on October 15, 2010, 08:40:24 PM
Tamara
Has anyone ever introduced you to fasting and/or juicing?
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 15, 2010, 08:43:44 PM
Tamara
Has anyone ever introduced you to juicing?

I am not even going to comment on how wayward this thread has gone, but yes I have been and I do especially when I am really sick as I can still swallow the juice where as sometimes I am unable to swallow whole foods..
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: ejclark on October 15, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
I am not even going to comment on how wayward this thread has gone, but yes I have been and I do especially when I am really sick as I can still swallow the juice where as sometimes I am unable to swallow whole foods..
Sorry, I didn't modify my last post fast enough.
You might check out a book "Fast Your Way to Health" by Lee Bueno-Aguer. 

When you juice, what do you juice and is the pulp still in the juice?
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 15, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Sorry, I didn't modify my last post fast enough.
You might check out a book "Fast Your Way to Health" by Lee Bueno-Aguer. 

When you juice, what do you juice and is the pulp still in the juice?

Right now I think I have just about enough health books to last me a life time :/

When i juice, there are two different kinds, one vegetables the other fruits,

The fruits one:
tomato, orange, lemon, pear/apple, pineapple, ginger and usually some kind of melon if possible

Vegetables:
Carrot, brocolli, celery, kale, beetroot, ginger, cucmber, celery, garlic sometimes

All with pulp
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 15, 2010, 09:14:46 PM
Tamara .........................................

hope this encourages................

http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/index.php?topic=2462.msg66115#new
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 15, 2010, 09:21:28 PM
I don't think any of you are really listening to me as a whole...

I am happy encouraged, thankful to still be here for the time being, I kind of find the debate to a bit discouraging though...

I have just returned from church a few hours ago, from a communion service, I come here on Sabbath sometimes purely because there are other seventhday adventists and thus family, my home family does nto celebrate the sabbath and do not overly want me to be either and so to come here, reading messages, watch sermons, pray, think of hymns and develop a relationship with you all whilst also continueing to develop my relationship with God is what I try to do here...
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 16, 2010, 02:21:47 AM
I don't think any of you are really listening to me as a whole...

I am happy encouraged, thankful to still be here for the time being, I kind of find the debate to a bit discouraging though...


Tamara,
When I was trying to give some advice on how to gain weight in a very unique medical situation, it does appear that my advice to you was misconstrued by some as a reason to open up a debate on foods. I regret this and did not intend this.

There are times when certain medical issues need to be individualized and carefully considered. I did some research tonight on your illness (HUVS), and it is a very complicated disease process. Good nutrition is an essential to fighting this disease.

When transitioning from a meat diet to a vegetarian diet, there is a possibility that certain essential nutrients that are found in meats can be left out, especially if leaving out eggs. This transition sometimes needs to be a very slow process, and since you very recently made this change, and have lost weight, and need to regain this weight, then sometimes it is necessary to return to a meat diet temporarily, but when the disease process resolves, then you can transition safely back to a vegetarian diet.

I believe everyone who has responded on this thread genuinely cares about you and your remarkable story. The spiritual healing you have obtained by the grace of God is so much more important than even physical healing. Please continue to work with your doctors, and be sure they are checking on your nutritional status with serum albumin., prealbumin, Vit B12 and Folic acid levels, and iron studies. You are likely also taking Prednisone and other immune suppressants which make your body even more susceptible to malnutrition.

I continue to keep you in my prayers. God bless you, Tamara.

Stan


Greetings from England, where Berty and I have been doing revival meetings! 

I was just scanning down this thread.  A week or so ago Betty and I were in the town of, believe it or not, Cheddar.  There we saw the making of Cheddar cheese.  I was interested to hear them say that they use a vegetable rather an animal-derived rennin to begin the cheese process.   It was interesting to watch them make cheese from the beginning to the end.

We have a granddaughter who last year was suffering from anorexia, which can be fatal.  Special steps were taken for her to be able to recuperate her health.  I am glad that she is nearly back to normal.

We're glad to have Tamara on the forum and pray that she will be able to recouperate her health.

Greetings pastor, and I hope you continue to be safe. I am curious if after visiting the cheese factory you have any opinion on whether the cheese is unfit for human consumption?   :-)

Happy to hear that your granddaugter is nearly back to normal. Anorexia is another condition in which the priority is getting the person to eat anything, even if it is meat!

Cancer is another condition in which exceptions need to be made. Would those on here who are so quick to judge any statements made about meat or cheese also say that those suffering from malnutrition related to cancer should also abstain from meats and cheese?

Stan



Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Raven on October 16, 2010, 03:08:27 AM


Cancer is another condition in which exceptions need to be made. Would those on here who are so quick to judge any statements made about meat or cheese also say that those suffering from malnutrition related to cancer should also abstain from meats and cheese?

Stan





Stan, we live in a world where good food of nearly every type is available just about anywhere, especially in the so-called "civilized" world.  Unless one is stranded on a desert island somewhere, there is no need for meat.  The last thing someone suffering from cancer needs is dead animal flesh.  There are plenty of other foods available to help someone gain weight, without overburdening the digestive system.

At any rate, this thread is about praying for the improvement of Tamara's health, and we must not lose sight of that.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: ejclark on October 16, 2010, 07:00:32 AM
Right now I think I have just about enough health books to last me a life time :/

When i juice, there are two different kinds, one vegetables the other fruits,

The fruits one:
tomato, orange, lemon, pear/apple, pineapple, ginger and usually some kind of melon if possible

Vegetables:
Carrot, broccoli, celery, kale, beetroot, ginger, cucumber, celery, garlic sometimes

All with pulp
Hi Tamara,
I hope I'm not adding to your discouragement.  I think you are on the right track as far as your health is concerned.  As my wife is an herbalist and studying to be a nutritionist, we compare everything we learn to Scripture and Spirit of Prophecy.  Hopefully you will consider the help that this forum is hoping to provide you and be able to glean some things you can incorporate into your lifestyle so you can continue your physical and spiritual walk with the Lord.

You seem very in-tune with your body through trial and error experiences.  I too am like that.  I've been fructose intolerant my whole life, but only in my later years learned what I had.  So at a very young age, I learned through experience, I had to completely avoid sugars.  Doctors can be very helpful in our lives, but we have to listen to our bodies and the Holy Spirit as well (I really hope that doesn't sound like some weird spiritualist exercise).

Your juicing program is a good one.  The things you are drinking now are very good, keep them up.  The only thing I would suggest would be to find whatever other juices you could add to your diet, and also, drink as many of them without the pulp.  It's not that the pulp is bad, but it gets in the way and your body will absorb much more nutrition without it being there.  Also, without the pulp, you can mix your fruit and vegetable juices.  Just go easy on the fruit.  Without the pulp, the sugar levels absorbed into the body are much higher.  A couple good juicers are Champion and Green Star.  The Green Star is the more expensive, but when it comes to juicing herbs, celery, broccoli and leafy greens, the Champion doesn't work very well.  It's in the design of the extraction.  When picking out a juicer, you will want to compare it's flexibility with it's price.

I hope this will help.  Keep up the good work, and keep up the Faith.
God Bless.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 16, 2010, 12:24:13 PM
  The last thing someone suffering from cancer needs is dead animal flesh.  There are plenty of other foods available to help someone gain weight, without overburdening the digestive system.

At any rate, this thread is about praying for the improvement of Tamara's health, and we must not lose sight of that.

I agree Raven that this thread sadly got distracted, and did so when I dared venture to give medical advice regarding a unique disease process in which advice on gaining weight was asked for.  I am praying for Tamara's health as a couple of prayers posted on this thread will attest, but also trying to give practical advice. I will be the first to admit that my advice is not perfect, but I try to make the best judgments possible for individual circumstances. If Tamara can get adequate nutrition and protein (which is most important when there are fluid collections such as pleural fluid), and avoid losing weight with a strict vegetarian diet, then that is great. I won't have any axe to grind.

I have to respond to the above statement in bold.

I regularly take care of several cancer patients daily, and thousands in my last 35 years of active hospital practice. Recently I took care of a well known Christian talk show host, recently diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer. He and his family asked if they could bring in food from outside including hamburgers. Do you think I should have said no? We need to be realistic and practical

Nutrition is even more important in cancer related diseases, and it may not be possible to maintain weight during chemotherapy on a vegan diet alone. Whatever needs to be done to build up the immune system should be tried.

Blanket statements on what patients having cancer should or should not do just are not helpful.

Sorry Tamara for extending the debate, but I had to respond.

Stan

Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2010, 01:05:54 PM
 
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You are to make no prescriptions that flesh meats shall never be used, but you are to educate the mind, and let the light shine in. Let the individual conscience be awakened in regard to self-preservation and self-purity from every perverted appetite. . . .  {CD 291.4}

     This meat-eating question needs to be guarded. When one changes from the stimulating diet of meat eating to the fruit-and-vegetable diet, there will always be at first a sense of weakness and of lack of vitality, and many urge this as an argument for the necessity of a meat diet. But this result is the very argument that should be used in discarding a meat diet.  {CD 291.5}

     The change should not be urged to be made abruptly, especially for those who are taxed with continuous labor. Let the conscience be educated, the will energized, and the change can be made much more readily and willingly.  {CD 292.1}

     The consumptives who are going steadily down to the grave should not make particular changes in this respect, but care should be exercised to obtain the meat of as healthy animals as can be found.  {CD 292.2}

     Persons with tumors running their life away should not be burdened with the question as to whether they should leave meat eating or not. Be careful to make no stringent resolution in regard to this matter. It will not help the case to force changes, but will do injury to the nonmeat-eating principles. Give lectures in the parlor. Educate the mind, but force no one; for such reformation made under a press is worthless.
. . .  {CD 292.3}

People seeking to brow beat folks into submission to their ideas and conclusions of the health message do not know how to present a message of reconciliation because the aim seems to be to push others into the corner of forced obedience to agree with their conclusions and do things as they do them.    Religious liberty that includes the health message,  that kindly educates the mind, respects the decision making abilities and choices of the person, allows God to shine light in on His schedule, and awaken the conscience - seems to be a forign concept to them.

For the record I am a vegaterian, but I am tired of heated debates .
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2010, 01:10:30 PM
Tamara Just Keep Watching Him

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Isaiah 43:1  But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

Isaiah 44:24  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Hosea 13:14  I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Revelation 5:9  And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

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Christ's true followers will represent Him in character. They turn aside from worldly policy and are being trained for everyday service in the cause of God. In active service they find peace and hope, efficiency and power. They are conscious that they are breathing the breath of heaven, the only atmosphere in which the soul can live. By obedience they are made partakers of the divine nature. The doing of the living principles of the law of God makes them one with Christ. And He has pledged Himself to raise them up at the last day. Because He lives they will live also. He will raise them up as a part of Himself.  {21MR 347.4}

     He declares, "As the living Father hath sent Me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth Me, even he shall live by Me" [John 6:57]. This is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" [verse 40]. Christ became one with us in humanity in order that we might become one with Him in life everlasting. Thus our life is united with His life. He proclaimed over the rent sepulchre of Joseph, "I am the resurrection, and the life."  {21MR 348.1}
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 16, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
 
People seeking to brow beat folks into submission to their ideas and conclusions of the health message do not know how to present a message of reconciliation because the aim seems to be to push others into the corner of forced obedience to agree with their conclusions and do things as they do them.    Religious liberty that includes the health message,  that kindly educates the mind, respects the decision making abilities and choices of the person, allows God to shine light in on His schedule, and awaken the conscience - seems to be a forign concept to them.

For the record I am a vegaterian, but I am tired of heated debates .

Ed, those Ellen White quotes are excellent. They make the point I was trying to make.

Thanks

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on October 16, 2010, 01:20:39 PM
Ed, those Ellen White quotes are excellent. They make the point I was trying to make.

Thanks

Stan

Persons with tumors running their life away should not be burdened with the question as to whether they should leave meat eating or not. Be careful to make no stringent resolution in regard to this matter. It will not help the case to force changes, but will do injury to the nonmeat-eating principles. Give lectures in the parlor. Educate the mind, but force no one; for such reformation made under a press is worthless. . . .  {CD 292.3}
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I meant to include that quote in my last post.

Stan
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Raven on October 16, 2010, 02:38:00 PM
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.  Job 42:6

To the extent that I have contributed to the deterioration of this thread through my zeal without knowledge, I apologize. 

Thanks to Ed for posting those timely SOP quotes.  I had not read them before, and I can see that I came on too strongly.  Each case must be handled separately, and the best decisions as possible must be made under these circumstances.  Desperate conditions sometimes call for desperate measures.

I realize that Stan was doing his best to help Tamara in her situation, and I should have stayed out of this discussion.  I have no medical training.  Sorry, Stan, for being so hard on you.

This thread was originally started as a plea for prayer for Tamara's health condition.  We need to either return to that, or close this topic.  I will let Larry have the last word as to whether or not to lock the topic or try to repair it.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2010, 04:29:08 PM
Sometimes in family squabbles an older sibling has to defend a kid sister from her slightly older but temporally over the top brothers.

BTW the yellow PM lettering was due to the HTML code for glow not working over there.  So no red background for the yellow letters.   I forget to check my HTML sometimes.

It's better @ topic "no more hero".

Between then and now we went for a walk along the trails by Old Hickory Lock and Dam, and the mosquitoes are all singing "manwich is a meal" at my expense.   My wife wore long sleeves and didn't feed the mosquito's like I did.    ITCH   ITCH.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2010, 04:36:54 PM
You had asked for prayers for the improvement of your health. 

So how has God answered those prayers ?   

Anyone else you want us to pray for at your Church or in your neighborhood or in your family ?
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 16, 2010, 06:47:04 PM
You had asked for prayers for the improvement of your health. 

So how has God answered those prayers ?   

Anyone else you want us to pray for at your Church or in your neighborhood or in your family ?


I have improved substantially yes, I am able to breath and to move. I was able to attend church for ordinances and spend time with my church family.
Yes the tumors on my lung have come back malignant and are secondary cancer, but I am positive and happy and God is looking after me.
I have had alot more energy lately and no outbreak has surfaced just yet which is a huge blessing!

I would love for you to pray for a few people from my church family,
Our pastor is aobut to go into surgery to have a node removed from his vocal chords so he can continue to preach and he certainly needs our prayers. Also there is a boy named Jordan who has returned from camp with high fevers and has not been well at all and has now been hospitalised so he can be put on a drip. He also needs our prayers..

I have many more but I will request those soon, I have to go now....
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 16, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
You, your pastor, and Jordan - I have prayed for.  I hope jordan gets tested for any kind of bug bite disease, like lyme disease.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: newbie on October 17, 2010, 08:27:01 AM

I have improved substantially yes, I am able to breath and to move. I was able to attend church for ordinances and spend time with my church family.
Yes the tumors on my lung have come back malignant and are secondary cancer, but I am positive and happy and God is looking after me.
I have had alot more energy lately and no outbreak has surfaced just yet which is a huge blessing!

I would love for you to pray for a few people from my church family,
Our pastor is aobut to go into surgery to have a node removed from his vocal chords so he can continue to preach and he certainly needs our prayers. Also there is a boy named Jordan who has returned from camp with high fevers and has not been well at all and has now been hospitalised so he can be put on a drip. He also needs our prayers..

I have many more but I will request those soon, I have to go now....
Tamara,
If there is anything natural you would like to try.. .p.m. me...
God Bless and praying for you,
newbie
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Russell on October 17, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
Tamara,

Just wanted to let you know that I have been praying for you as I said that I would and will continue to do so. I will add the latest info that you have provided to my time for you in my prayers. I believe very strongly that God is closest to us when we call upon Him. I know that you already know this yourself. I am sorry to hear that you have cancer but I am glad that you are staying upbeat and positive because that is something that can only help you in this battle which you are in. May God continue to comfort and strengthen you in His arms of love and compassion for your well being.

I will also add your Pastor and young boy to my list.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 17, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
Tamara,

Just wanted to let you know that I have been praying for you as I said that I would and will continue to do so. I will add the latest info that you have provided to my time for you in my prayers. I believe very strongly that God is closest to us when we call upon Him. I know that you already know this yourself. I am sorry to hear that you have cancer but I am glad that you are staying upbeat and positive because that is something that can only help you in this battle which you are in. May God continue to comfort and strengthen you in His arms of love and compassion for your well being.

I will also add your Pastor and young boy to my list.

Thank you very much for your support Russell, your prayers mean alot.
Cancer is managable, I have been there and done that in the past before and I am much stronger now with God in my life. He cares for me so deeply that no matter the result of it all it will not be in vain.
I have found it sometimes is beneficially to be in such a position because it forces you to depend on God and not on yourself, because well and truely you are helpless. It brings you to your knees much faster than anything else I ever experience. Sickness is indeed a tool, a result from sin that can be turned as a tool for the glory of God. What a testoemony is a terribly sick person who find peace, joy, strength and life through God to  those also suffering, without Christ in their lives or indeed those who have Christ in their lives and have neglected the relationship they once had!

Hospitals are the most amazing places. So exposed, they really make you think. They are also a lesson in your influence on others. I was reading in Messages for Young People, that we must never neglect our responsibility to those weaker in faith than ourselves, the younger and the spiritially sick and in hospitals there really is such vulnerability, we need more pastors and chaplans and genuine careing people from our churches in there sharing Jesus to all these people.... Well that is how I feel atleast.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: El on October 17, 2010, 06:21:34 PM
Please understand that I was specifically dealing with what appears to be an unusual and unique medical situation. It is not as simple as producing an EGW quote for every situation. In fact I think that she would not be happy if her writings were being used as a "gotcha" to be used on a forum in this manner when we are dealing with a unique medical situation.

Cheese processing has changed and improved over the last 100 years. Besides, there are other statements she made about cheese which are not as condemnatory.

Stan
In Sr. White's Day was cheese made of unpastuerized milk?
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 17, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
In Sr. White's Day was cheese made of unpastuerized milk?

I thought we were all trying to move on from the dietary discussion  :|
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Russell on October 17, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
Tamara,

My first wife that is resting in Jesus was an example of what you speak of. She was a diabetic that had all the major complications that it can bring on almost. She was totally blind, had a kidney transplant, open heart surgery (triple bypass & valve replacement), and lost her left leg above the knee. Even with all this having happened to her, her love for Jesus was always there. She was already blind (she never visually saw me) and had the transplant before we got together. We spent 16 1/2 years together before she went into her final rest. She was truly a blessing to me as her faith helped me with mine. We prayed a lot together. She would always say that she wished that Jesus would use her more and I told her that her testimony was her life and faith that no matter what she never let her faith falter.

This isn't quite the place for what I just shared with you but I thought it appropriate in regard to what you had mentioned in your last reply to mine. Kind of an affirmation that no matter what the circumstance we experience in life, Jesus is there to see us through no matter the outcome. I'm sure that you will be quite the witness to your family and those you meet as you go forward in this.  :-D
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Larry Lyons on October 17, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
I have removed a post that was inflammatory, and I removed the post that contained it quoted. Also I want to add that we must leave TRO over at TRO and Revival Sermons at Revival sermons. Otherwise we get into problems of privacy, and confidentiality. Also we must not lay guilt trips on each other. Such statements, even though they may be well intended tend to appear self righteous and add flames to any controversy.

Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Larry Lyons on October 17, 2010, 10:53:35 PM
In Sr. White's Day was cheese made of unpastuerized milk?
Good question El. I have started a new topic on this on the Healthful Lifestyles board.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 18, 2010, 01:17:25 AM
I have removed a post that was inflammatory, and I removed the post that contained it quoted. Also I want to add that we must leave TRO over at TRO and Revival Sermons at Revival sermons. Otherwise we get into problems of privacy, and confidentiality. Also we must not lay guilt trips on each other. Such statements, even though they may be well intended tend to appear self righteous and add flames to any controversy.



Thank you Larry :)

This was just getting so out of hand that I was at the point of wanting to request it be removed completely  :|
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: El on October 18, 2010, 07:00:54 AM
I thought we were all trying to move on from the dietary discussion  :|
Sorry!!! I didn't know.  God be with you, Tamara.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: Tamara on October 18, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
Sorry!!! I didn't know.  God be with you, Tamara.

It's alright El, no harm done :)
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: D'Otieno on March 10, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
I know this thread is rather old now. Anyway, I have not been on this forum for some time and only just read this. Wondering how Tamara is now

In the course of the week a friend shared this from a devotional, I wish i could cite the source but I do not know:

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Acts 14:22. We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
God's  people have their trials. It was never designed by God, when he chose his people, that they should be an untried people. They were chosen in  the furnace of affliction; they were never chosen to worldly peace and   earthly joy. Freedom from sickness and the pains of mortality was never  promised  them; but when their Lord drew up the charter of privileges, he  included chastisements amongst the things to which they should  inevitably be heirs. Trials  are a part of our lot; they were predestined for us in Christ's last legacy. So  surely as the stars are  fashioned by his hands, and their orbits fixed by  him, so surely
are  our trials allotted to us: he has ordained their season and their place, their intensity and the effect they shall have upon us.
Good men must  never expect to escape troubles; if they do, they will be disappointed,   for none of their predecessors have been without them. Mark the patience  of  Job; remember Abraham, for he had his trials, and by his faith under  them, he became the "Father of the faithful." Note well the biographies  of all the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, and you shall  discover none of  those whom God made vessels of mercy, who were not made  to pass through the fire of affliction. It is ordained of old that the  cross of trouble should  be engraved on every vessel of mercy, as the  royal mark whereby the King's  vessels of honor are distinguished. But  although tribulation is thus the path of  God's children, they have the  comfort of knowing that their Master has traversed it before them; they  have his presence and sympathy to cheer them, his grace  to support them,  and his example to teach them how to endure; and when they reach "the kingdom," it will more than make amends for the "much tribulation"  through which they passed to enter it.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: D'Otieno on March 10, 2011, 12:29:27 AM
And...

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"Of all the gifts that heaven can bestow upon men, fellowship with Christ in His
sufferings is the most weighty trust and the highest honor. Not Enoch, who was translated
to heaven, not Elijah, who ascended in a chariot of fire, was greater or more honored
than John the Baptist, who perished alone in the dungeon. "Unto you it is given in the
behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake."
Philippians 1:29."

Hard for to perceive, but certainly very true.
Title: Re: prayer for improvement
Post by: V. Hahn on March 10, 2011, 05:33:45 AM
Yes, I've been wondering the same thing.  Tamara, are you listening?  How are you these days?

Thanks for the encouraging quotes, D'Otieno.  Good to see you.

Vicki