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Title: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: will on October 03, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Hello Everyone,
(I'm actually Will's wife).
We are about to make some life changing decisions to enter the "Spiritual War" that's going on among us.  We've surrendered our lives to God and His will......and are about to take the "Front Lines" with many of you.
Having completely entrusted God with everything we are heeding to the message to get "Out Of the Cities!!"  With no money and already in a finacial rut it seems Humanly Impossible.  We have some incredibly difficult obstacles ahead...  But Thank God our God is an Awesome God.
I just ask you keep our little family in mind when you pray, we really need it.

Thank You God Bless
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 04, 2008, 02:01:29 PM
Hello Everyone,
(I'm actually Will's wife).
We are about to make some life changing decisions to enter the "Spiritual War" that's going on among us.  We've surrendered our lives to God and His will......and are about to take the "Front Lines" with many of you.
Having completely entrusted God with everything we are heeding to the message to get "Out Of the Cities!!"  With no money and already in a finacial rut it seems Humanly Impossible.  We have some incredibly difficult obstacles ahead...  But Thank God our God is an Awesome God.
I just ask you keep our little family in mind when you pray, we really need it.

Thank You God Bless

You've been in my prayers since the 1st post.  :-) We'll keep praying for you & your situation.  God Bless.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: newbie on October 04, 2008, 04:41:48 PM
God's speed dear one!   :-)
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: El on October 04, 2008, 05:07:41 PM
God's speed dear one!   :-)
I so much admire Will and his wife who are willing to sacrifice everything to prepare for difficult days ahead.  I really do. 

I would like the opinions of some of you really Christ like people who feel that it is time to get "Out of the Cities".  Should we be willing to just walk away and hope that God will care for us?  What provisions should we make?.  And what should our limitations be?  Should the aged, ill and elderly be willing to make the move that will put the family in very difficult situations at this time?  Without criticism, I am very serious about this.  To where should "Out of the Cities" be monitored?  Will we be able and willing to hope that others around us will realize our plight and show us the way? .  If we lack funds to care for ourselves will the Lord take care of us if we just get up and go?  In all earnestness and prayer will just our faith be able to carry us through?  I know that we all need to pray for one another to know what paths we should walk and when we should walk them.  I do not want to neglect or forget the admonishment given to us by his chosen messenger.            Lorraine EL
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 04, 2008, 07:01:45 PM
I so much admire Will and his wife who are willing to sacrifice everything to prepare for difficult days ahead.  I really do. 

I would like the opinions of some of you really Christ like people who feel that it is time to get "Out of the Cities".  Should we be willing to just walk away and hope that God will care for us?  What provisions should we make?.  And what should our limitations be?  Should the aged, ill and elderly be willing to make the move that will put the family in very difficult situations at this time?  Without criticism, I am very serious about this.  To where should "Out of the Cities" be monitored?  Will we be able and willing to hope that others around us will realize our plight and show us the way? .  If we lack funds to care for ourselves will the Lord take care of us if we just get up and go?  In all earnestness and prayer will just our faith be able to carry us through?  I know that we all need to pray for one another to know what paths we should walk and when we should walk them.  I do not want to neglect or forget the admonishment given to us by his chosen messenger.            Lorraine EL

El,

I seriously think this is something we individually need to pray about. We can't follow the example of another person for fear that we would be following a person instead of God. God does want us out, but it needs to be in His time & to His place. Be sincere in prayer would be my advice - and I think you are being sincere. Pray for a door to open, or close as the case might be.

When we have to flee to the mountains I have no doubt that God will take care of us every step of the way. Before that time we need to be careful of presumption. Have no doubt He wants us out of the cities - that is not presumption. Expecting Him to take care of all our needs by moving before He leads would be presumptuous. If we are praying & sincerely cannot find a place because He has not opened any doors I have no doubt that at the last minute He could tell someone to get in their car and drive.

I don't understand what you mean by the sentence I made bold...?

God Bless.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: El on October 04, 2008, 07:34:43 PM
El,

I seriously think this is something we individually need to pray about. We can't follow the example of another person for fear that we would be following a person instead of God. God does want us out, but it needs to be in His time & to His place. Be sincere in prayer would be my advice - and I think you are being sincere. Pray for a door to open, or close as the case might be.

When we have to flee to the mountains I have no doubt that God will take care of us every step of the way. Before that time we need to be careful of presumption. Have no doubt He wants us out of the cities - that is not presumption. Expecting Him to take care of all our needs by moving before He leads would be presumptuous. If we are praying & sincerely cannot find a place because He has not opened any doors I have no doubt that at the last minute He could tell someone to get in their car and drive.

I don't understand what you mean by the sentence I made bold...?

God Bless.
Hi, Reaching:

What I meant by "To where should 'Out of the Cities' be monitored?"      I mean what do you think that "Out of the Cities" mean?  Exactly what do we mean by the cities?  The crime-ridden cities?  The small towns where a lot of us live?  Even smaller towns where everyone knows everyone?  Certainly then we would be watched more closely.  To the mountains?  Seriously, when will we know that it is time to really flee to the mountains?

    The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands, and strangers would reap their fields.  {LDE 264.3}
     Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger, for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens
to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites.--EW 56 (1851).  {LDE 264.4}
     I saw that a time of trouble was before us, when stern necessity will compel the people of God to live on bread and water. . . . In the time of trouble none will labor with their hands. Their sufferings will be mental, and God will provide food for them.--Ms 2, 1858.  {LDE 265.1}
     The time of trouble is just before us, and then stern necessity will require the people of God to deny self and to eat merely enough to sustain life, but God will prepare us for that time. In that fearful hour our necessity will be God's opportunity to impart His strengthening power and to sustain His people.--1T 206 (1859).  {LDE 265.2}
     Bread and water is all that is promised to the remnant in the time of trouble.--SR 129 (1870).  {LDE 265.3}
     In the time of trouble, just before the coming of Christ, the righteous will be preserved through the ministration of heavenly angels.--PP 256 (1890).  {LDE 265.4}

Do these quotes help us to decide what to do?                 EL
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: colporteur on October 04, 2008, 07:53:33 PM

 
Do these quotes help us to decide what to do?                 EL


Yes, and when the plagues begin to fall the Time of Trouble begins. Up until that time we are counseld over and over again to move from the cities, buy a small piece of land preferably where our neighbors cannot see our coming and going, and to grow our own food as food will be a problem. We must not confuse what is typically referred to as the little time of trouble with Thee Time of Trouble also known as the Time of Jacob's Trouble. To confuse this is to have SOP counsel contradict itself. That it does not do.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: reaching4heaven on October 04, 2008, 08:07:41 PM
Hi, Reaching:

What I meant by "To where should 'Out of the Cities' be monitored?"      I mean what do you think that "Out of the Cities" mean?  Exactly what do we mean by the cities?  The crime-ridden cities?  The small towns where a lot of us live?  Even smaller towns where everyone knows everyone?  Certainly then we would be watched more closely.  To the mountains?  Seriously, when will we know that it is time to really flee to the mountains?

   ...

Do these quotes help us to decide what to do?                 EL


The quotes you posted are excellent ones for the time of trouble when we will be fleeing to the mountains. There is no way we can care for ourselves when that happens - we will be totally dependant on God. I think EGW says we will be fleeing for the mountains when the abomination of desolation is set up - Sunday Law. She also says mobs will be chasing us. Can someone supply a quote? I can't at this time, but will try later if no one else posts them.

If you research the "Out of the Cities" quotes there is a place that she says we must leave the cities for the smaller towns, villages & mountain retreats. We will be moving farther & farther out as times get worse. We definitely need to be out of the crime-ridden cities, but that isn't the only reason for leaving the cities - the noise & air pollution & evil that attacks our senses are even in the areas that aren't crime-ridden. We need to find places that are peaceful where we can draw apart and be with God & hear His still small voice - some small towns still have those areas, some don't.

We are told we need to reach the people now because it will become harder. I think we will have to move very clandestinally (am I making up a word?  :-P) like the Waldensians did - read that chapter in GC for more info. There are far fewer eyes to watch the people in the viallages than there are people in the cities. During WWII the Jews in the country were able to stay away from the Nazi's better than those in the cities.  Now as we move out of the city into the country we are not being hunted and we are still free to reach people openly & need to take every opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: Agatha on October 04, 2008, 09:28:07 PM
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Should the aged, ill and elderly be willing to make the move that will put the family in very difficult situations at this time?

Those in Christ will be guided as to know what to do, El. My mother is nigh on her death bed as we speak and we discuss this quite often:

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"Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them." Revelation 14:13.

The Lord has often instructed me that many little ones are to be laid away before the time of trouble. We shall see our children again. We shall meet them and know them in the heavenly courts. Put your trust in the Lord, and be not afraid.  {CG 566.1}

Many will be laid away to sleep before the fiery ordeal of the time of trouble shall come upon our world. CH 375

There will be those who cannot endure the time of trouble and the Lord knows them by name. We have read in the Spirit of Prophecy where God laid certain people to rest to save them, preserve them unto the great resurrection. According to the quotes given above, He will do the same thing with "many" before the time of trouble.



Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: Deep Waters on October 05, 2008, 06:05:24 AM
Here is a passage from Scripture that better supports your point than Revelation 14:13.

(KJV) Isaiah 57:1, 2 "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: El on October 05, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Those in Christ will be guided as to know what to do, El. My mother is nigh on her death bed as we speak and we discuss this quite often:

There will be those who cannot endure the time of trouble and the Lord knows them by name. We have read in the Spirit of Prophecy where God laid certain people to rest to save them, preserve them unto the great resurrection. According to the quotes given above, He will do the same thing with "many" before the time of trouble.




  Yes, Agatha, and all this means a lot to me right now.  Here we are---the elderly do need to be near those who will care for them if they are not laid to rest before Jesus comes.  In my heart, I am willing to take it as God would have me to do---and my husband.  To move farther into the woods (so to speak) under the consideration of the aged, would mean that whole families would move together----Sometimes, since we have already left the large cities and live in a small town I have come to the belief that our greatest protection is to stay close to the Lord.  Personally, from my point of view, those who are quietly laid to rest to wait for the coming of the Lord are the blessed.  Are not we told the same?  What a peaceful way to await the coming of the Lord!!!.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: El on October 05, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
We must not confuse what is typically referred to as the little time of trouble with Thee Time of Trouble also known as the Time of Jacob's Trouble. To confuse this is to have SOP counsel contradict itself. That it does not do.
Thank you, Cp.  You have brought up a big question in my mind---maybe you can explain the difference in "The Little time of Trouble" and "The Time of Trouble". 
I will say this.  We live in a small town not far from the Ozarks.  With crime and drugs being monitored here those who move to a spot where no one can see the comings and goings will bring out the police for sure.  I have seen it here--they will immediately think that marijuana is being grown and sold.  It is a shame that we have come to the time when wanting to live simply away from others promotes suspicion that needs to be observed. That is also the work of the devil. 
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: lily-of-the-field on October 05, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Hi El.  My understanding is that the little time of trouble is before the close of probation and "the" time of trouble is after the the close of probation when the plagues are falling, leading up to the rescue mission in the Second Advent.  The main preparation we need right now is spiritual preparation - this must be our first priority - to seek the Lord while He may be found, to be daily growing in faith and love and obedience.  We live today understanding what Jesus is doing right now in the heavenly sanctuary, so that when His work is finished, we may be found righteous and holy.   The time of trouble will see us taken care of if we are sealed as belonging to Christ.   
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: lily-of-the-field on October 05, 2008, 12:25:15 PM
Hi, Reaching:

What I meant by "To where should 'Out of the Cities' be monitored?"      I mean what do you think that "Out of the Cities" mean?  Exactly what do we mean by the cities?  The crime-ridden cities?  The small towns where a lot of us live?  Even smaller towns where everyone knows everyone?  Certainly then we would be watched more closely.  To the mountains?  Seriously, when will we know that it is time to really flee to the mountains?

    The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands, and strangers would reap their fields.  {LDE 264.3}
     Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger, for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens
to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites.--EW 56 (1851).  {LDE 264.4}
     I saw that a time of trouble was before us, when stern necessity will compel the people of God to live on bread and water. . . . In the time of trouble none will labor with their hands. Their sufferings will be mental, and God will provide food for them.--Ms 2, 1858.  {LDE 265.1}
     The time of trouble is just before us, and then stern necessity will require the people of God to deny self and to eat merely enough to sustain life, but God will prepare us for that time. In that fearful hour our necessity will be God's opportunity to impart His strengthening power and to sustain His people.--1T 206 (1859).  {LDE 265.2}
     Bread and water is all that is promised to the remnant in the time of trouble.--SR 129 (1870).  {LDE 265.3}
     In the time of trouble, just before the coming of Christ, the righteous will be preserved through the ministration of heavenly angels.--PP 256 (1890).  {LDE 265.4}

Do these quotes help us to decide what to do?                 EL

We cannot make plans for the time of trouble (after the close of probation.)  We will not be occupying country retreats with supplies in those days.  The plagues will be falling and possessed evil men will seek to destroy God's people.  Nature will be in turmoil.  Angels will care for God's people in solitary places as they await their Deliverance.

You have asked good questions, El.  We need to be seeking God's will regarding where to live as we enter the little time of trouble.   Towns will become increasingly undesirable places to be: civil unrest, looting, violence, disasters, food and water shortages; we will want to not be dependent on towns for all of our physical needs.   As we see the Sunday laws being agitated we will  we want to be further away from the action.   Do we want to sit and wait until trouble is at our very door or see if it is God's plan for us to make a move in more peaceful times?  But to just act on impulse and without prayer and planning and God's clear guidance, could be presumptuous.

I really appreciate your perspective on this topic, El, as an older, faithful Adventist lady.  What about our older folks?  My own aged and unwell parents have shown no enthusiasm about moving, and at first I was not understanding, but now I am beginning to.  They anticipate being laid to rest (and yes, El, to rest in Jesus during the troublesome times ahead could very well be a blessing.)   Seeking to preserve themselves is not their top priority.   What are our duties and responsibilities towards our elderly folks who would rather stay put where they are?
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: El on October 05, 2008, 03:06:39 PM
We cannot make plans for the time of trouble (after the close of probation.)  We will not be occupying country retreats with supplies in those days.  The plagues will be falling and possessed evil men will seek to destroy God's people.  Nature will be in turmoil.  Angels will care for God's people in solitary places as they await their Deliverance.

You have asked good questions, El.  We need to be seeking God's will regarding where to live as we enter the little time of trouble.   Towns will become increasingly undesirable places to be: civil unrest, looting, violence, disasters, food and water shortages; we will want to not be dependent on towns for all of our physical needs.   As we see the Sunday laws being agitated we will  we want to be further away from the action.   Do we want to sit and wait until trouble is at our very door or see if it is God's plan for us to make a move in more peaceful times?  But to just act on impulse and without prayer and planning and God's clear guidance, could be presumptuous.

I really appreciate your perspective on this topic, El, as an older, faithful Adventist lady.  What about our older folks?  My own aged and unwell parents have shown no enthusiasm about moving, and at first I was not understanding, but now I am beginning to.  They anticipate being laid to rest (and yes, El, to rest in Jesus during the troublesome times ahead could very well be a blessing.)   Seeking to preserve themselves is not their top priority.   What are our duties and responsibilities towards our elderly folks who would rather stay put where they are?
Hi, Lily:
My husband and I went for a ride a little while ago and while we were gone we were talking about this very thing.  As one of them, (as you might say, :-) :-)) our main reason for thinking about all this is that we want to be ready with our daily lives to meet whatever may be beyond.  It seems, with so many things happening in the world today, that the time of trouble could be sooner than we think. It has always seemed to be something in the future.  Now, as a nation, and as a whole world, we are in turmoil both economically and politically.  Will the Time of trouble come upon us in our lifetime?  I had always thought 'No'.  But as I look up it may be sooner than we think.  To find trust in God is the primary source of safety.  Moving to the mountains takes a lot of thought.  But most of all it takes a lot of prayer.  As a people who are waiting for Jesus to come we should be praying for one another that each of us are led in the direction that God would have us to go.  In the meantime, be happy, don't worry.  We have the Lord on our side.  He also is looking out for us elderly folks.        EL   
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: lily-of-the-field on October 06, 2008, 08:20:32 AM
Hi El.  Yes, we can feel the difficult times fast approaching, just as before an approaching storm the wind blows and the heat intensifies.  From when I was a little girl I have had a very real sense that Jesus would return in my lifetime, a belief that has accompanied me like my own shadow.   Yes, we need to turn to the Lord with all our hearts.  God bless you and your husband and loved ones.
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: newbie on October 06, 2008, 09:24:18 AM
Hi El.  Yes, we can feel the difficult times fast approaching, just as before an approaching storm the wind blows and the heat intensifies.  From when I was a little girl I have had a very real sense that Jesus would return in my lifetime, a belief that has accompanied me like my own shadow.   Yes, we need to turn to the Lord with all our hearts.  God bless you and your husband and loved ones.

I've always had the same feeling....  don't know how it got there. 
Title: Re: Big Decisions to be made, In much need of prayer
Post by: will on October 06, 2008, 11:24:42 PM

Towns will become increasingly undesirable places to be: civil unrest, looting, violence, disasters, food and water shortages; we will want to not be dependent on towns for all of our physical needs.
Yes!!  I have already seen this on the news.  My husband being an ex-gang member (many years ago) we follow up on that whole environment.  Very violent gangs are already starting to come in the smaller towns from the big cities.  They know that most of the small townsfolk are comfortable leaving their front doors and cars unlocked which creates of haven for gangs to ransack towns. 

What about our older folks?  My own aged and unwell parents have shown no enthusiasm about moving, and at first I was not understanding, but now I am beginning to.  They anticipate being laid to rest (and yes, El, to rest in Jesus during the troublesome times ahead could very well be a blessing.)   Seeking to preserve themselves is not their top priority.   What are our duties and responsibilities towards our elderly folks who would rather stay put where they are?
We also are personally going through this with my in-laws.  And I don't know the answer.  But I believe God's commandment keeping people who still remain in the cities will still have work to be done.  Persecution will arise regarding Sunday Law and All Eyes will be on SDA people.  I believe I read in one of EGW's writings that many will leave the church, BUT many will COME I'll have to find the exact quote at a later time, but I believe the persecution of some is going to lead MANY to the real truth.  .....Maybe someone with more knowledge and wisdom could elaborate more on this.