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Title: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Richard OFfill on September 18, 2008, 06:07:13 AM
The Spirit of Prophecy says that when the Latter Rain is outpoured, those who don't receive it won't know that it is there. What will the Latter Rain look like? Is it possible that it will all begin slowly and at the time allmost imperceptibly? As I write this I am in Calhoun, GA. The pastor tells me that people are calling on the telephone saying that they want to come to church. Is this significant?
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Jim on September 18, 2008, 07:16:52 AM
The Spirit of Prophecy says that when the Latter Rain is outpoured, those who don't receive it won't know that it is there. What will the Latter Rain look like?

I know many people who when talking about that counsel have a small fear that they will not be included. Those who are faithful in small things will be trusted in large ways.

What will it look like? The people will be like Christ. They will be humble and meek. These are qualities that the world despises and since the world has largely crept into the lives and churches of the members maybe that's why they won't recognize it because in reality they don't want it, they'd rather have the world.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: newbie on September 18, 2008, 09:59:23 AM
The Spirit of Prophecy says that when the Latter Rain is outpoured, those who don't receive it won't know that it is there. What will the Latter Rain look like?

I read J. Loughborough's book (Miracles in My Life), about all the things they were doing during the 3am of the 1800s and it was amazing.  And EGW says that during the Loud Cry (latter rain), there will be 10x the power that they had back then.  It is hard for me to imagine 10x what they were doing???   I suppose it will be even like today when some are getting the 'dew' and others are not...  those that are not have no idea what we are talking about and are even a bit suspicious as to where it is coming from..

newbie
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: colporteur on September 18, 2008, 11:06:05 AM
If I recall correctly the primary function of "the latter rain" is not so much to lead people to Christ as it is to prepare those who are already with Christ to give the Loud Cry with power and garner in the harvest. There can be no question that there will be an unpresidented out pouring of the Holy Spirit upon those who are seeking Christ but this seems to be a different function of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps there is a two pronged function of the latter rain.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Larry Lyons on September 18, 2008, 02:56:22 PM
If I recall correctly the primary function of "the latter rain" is not so much to lead people to Christ as it is to prepare those who are already with Christ to give the Loud Cry with power and garner in the harvest. There can be no question that there will be an unprecedented out pouring of the Holy Spirit upon those who are seeking Christ but this seems to be a different function of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps there is a two pronged function of the latter rain.
The early rain was to water the seed and nourish the plant. The latter rain was to bring the plant to maturity and ripen the grain for harvest. Ellen White warned, if I'm not mistaken, that if we sit back and wait, expecting that the Holy Spirit will come upon us at some point and compell us to prepare ourselves and go forth and witness for Jesus we will be passed by and be tragically disappointed. That is a scary thought.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Pamela Adams on September 18, 2008, 03:19:06 PM
Perhaps the falling of the latter rain has something to do with what is being proclaimed:

    God designs that the message of redemption shall come to His people as the latter rain; for they are fast losing their connection with God. They are trusting in men, and glorifying men, and their strength is proportionate to the strength of their dependence. We are to know more than we know at the present time. We are to comprehend the deep things of God. There are themes to be dwelt upon which are worthy of more than a passing notice. Angels have desired to look into the truths which are revealed to those who are searching God's Word with contrite hearts. Those who will devote their powers to the study of God's Word, and especially to the prophecies referring to these last days, will be rewarded by the discovery of important truths. The last book of the New Testament Scriptures is full of truths that need to be understood. Satan has blinded the eyes of men, and they have been glad of any excuse for not studying this book. But here Christ has declared through His servant John what shall be in the last days.  {ST, April 18, 1900 par. 9}
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: reaching4heaven on September 21, 2008, 01:17:06 PM
I was reading "The Shaking" today in 1T and came across this which leads to the Later Rain experience:

   "I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen, and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this will cause a shaking among God's people."
   "The testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not entirely disregarded. This testimony must work deep repentance, and all that truly receive it will obey it and be purified. " 1T, p 181

I would say to look at the fruit - the exalting of the standard & the acceptance of the straight truth as a sign of the Later Rain before I would look at how many people want to come to church.

Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Richard OFfill on September 23, 2008, 04:08:45 AM
I believe the shaking is going on now. Where does it say that those who will be shaken out will quit coming to church. It seems that there are many who have left the faith still come to church.

Having said that, what would it mean to be shaken out of the faith. Does this mean to not keep the Sabbath or believe in the true state of the dead?

You will think I am a broken record on this, but the more I think about it the shaking begins with those who refuse to repent of the sins of the heart.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Raven on September 23, 2008, 12:23:04 PM
I believe the shaking is going on now. Where does it say that those who will be shaken out will quit coming to church. It seems that there are many who have left the faith still come to church.

Having said that, what would it mean to be shaken out of the faith. Does this mean to not keep the Sabbath or believe in the true state of the dead?

You will think I am a broken record on this, but the more I think about it the shaking begins with those who refuse to repent of the sins of the heart.

We have been told that the Lord would allow heresies to come into the church and that every wind of doctrine would be blowing.  This is exactly what we have seen over that past 40+ years; and those who are not rooted and grounded in the faith (fortifying their minds with the truths of the Bible and having a love of the truth) are being deceived and buying into all the aberrant teachings and strange gimmicks.  If that's not part of the shaking, I don't know what else to call it.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on September 24, 2008, 08:46:02 PM

what would it mean to be shaken out of the faith. Does this mean to not keep the Sabbath or believe in the true state of the dead?

You will think I am a broken record on this, but the more I think about it the shaking begins with those who refuse to repent of the sins of the heart.

Pastor,

Keep sounding like a broken record(smiley)!  You are absolutely right. Without diminishing the importance of the Sabbath or the state of the dead, it is important to recognize what Jesus said were the most important commandments in the law;  Notice how Jesus answered this question in Matthew 22:

35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

 38This is the first and great commandment.

 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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And similarly Jesus said in John 13:34,35:

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
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How many of us love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our souls, and all of our minds, and love one another as Christ loved us?

Just something to think about.

Stan
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: BobRyan on December 01, 2008, 10:25:32 PM
The Spirit of Prophecy says that when the Latter Rain is outpoured, those who don't receive it won't know that it is there. What will the Latter Rain look like? Is it possible that it will all begin slowly and at the time allmost imperceptibly? As I write this I am in Calhoun, GA. The pastor tells me that people are calling on the telephone saying that they want to come to church. Is this significant?

This is a good question.

Notice GC 612 - we have "signs and wonders" being done by the Saints -- so much so that it "exceeds" the power and manifestations given in the "Early Rain".

How spiritually dead do we have to be to "miss that"?

Or is the idea that it happens in parts of the world where even with such a powerful manifestation - it would not be noticed in other areas?

Here is an interesting way that Ellen White suggests many Adventists would miss it.

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     As long as individuals are content with a theory of truth, and are yet lacking in the daily operation of the Spirit of God upon the heart, which is manifested in outward transformation of character, they are cutting themselves
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off from the qualification that would fit them for greater efficiency in the Master's work. Those who are devoid of the Holy Spirit cannot be faithful watchmen upon the walls of Zion; for they are blind to the work that ought to be done, and do not give the trumpet a certain sound. {2SM 56.2}

     The baptism of the Holy Ghost as on the day of Pentecost will lead to a revival of true religion  and to the performance of many wonderful works. Heavenly intelligences will come among us, and men will speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Spirit of God. But should the Lord work upon men as He did on and after the day of Pentecost, many who now claim to believe the truth would know so very little of the operation of the Holy Spirit that they would cry, "Beware of fanaticism." They would say of those who were filled with the Spirit, "These men are full of new wine."[/[/u]color] {2SM 57.1}

     The time is not far off now when men will want a much closer relation to Christ, a much closer union with His Holy Spirit, than ever they have had, or will have, unless they give up their will and their way, and submit to God's will and God's way. The great sin of those who profess to be Christians is that they do not open the heart to receive the Holy Spirit. When souls long after Christ, and seek to become one with Him, then those who are content with the form of godliness, exclaim "Be careful, do not go to extremes." When the angels of heaven come among us, and work through human agents, there will be solid, substantial conversions, after the order of the conversions after the day of Pentecost. {2SM 57.2}

     Now brethren, be careful and do not go into or try to create human excitement. But while we should be careful not to go into human excitement, we should not be among those who will raise inquiries and cherish doubts in reference to the work of the Spirit of God; for there will be those who will question and criticize when the Spirit of God takes possession  of men and women, because their own hearts are not moved, but are cold and unimpressible. --Letter 27, 1894.
                                                                            58 {2SM 57.3}

http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book04611.htm/chapter04619.htm (http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book04611.htm/chapter04619.htm)


in Christ,

Bob
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Greg Goodchild on September 11, 2009, 08:53:32 AM
"Give ear, o ye heavens, and I will speak, and hear, o earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: because I will publilsh the name of the Lord' ascribe ye greatness unto our God." Deuteronomy 32:1-3

"And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as the dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men." Micah 5:7

In both descriptions above God reveals what the latter rain is. The latter rain is His Word revealed in and through His people. The latter rain is when God has a people so open to Him that He is allowed to be revealed in word and action through them. Then He can reveal His great love and His great power through His people. As long as God's people choose sin over Him the channels of giving the latter rain will be clogged up. When we recognize what sin is doing to us, and plead with God for deliverance from sin, and allow His Holy Spirit to fill us, and then live out His life, then people will recognize Jesus, for they will see Him, in us, and will choose to follow or to kill. This revelation of the righteousnes of Jesus is the process of giving the latter rain and we will see His power revealed as His chosen messengers surrender fully to Him.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: maskeenel on March 12, 2010, 06:46:22 AM
What if shaking has to do with what gems have to go through where they are rolled in a roller with some sand.  What it does removes some of the impurities which are stuck to the gem.  Could it be that shaking is equivalent to that.  Yes there are many in the church who are not converted but like to come anyway.  There are many pastors who are like that too.  They like to pastor churches with their false doctrines.  I am experiencing that in my church.  We are being slowly led away from the truth and faith of our fathers.  If the trend remains the church will have a different face which the world will see.
When all sorts of evil enters into God church he does something to it.  I believe our church is coming to that stage.   If God can bring reformation in the church which is facing  famine of the truth why won't he not bring shaking into the church to purify it.

Shaking could be equal to going through the fire to be purged of impurities or purified of contaminants.  Yes when that happens we won't even know it because God is not going to make it like an event where the world will see it.  When Israelite came out of Egypt they brought with them many who were causing problems.  Those who came across the sea were there because they saw great power displayed by God on behalf of Israelite.
This time the power of God will be displayed by the people in their lives. These people will either draw people closer to God and or will dispel from their midst those who do not love the Lord. And the call comes, only those who have been waiting and preparing their lives by accepting Jesus and His standards will be translate with Him when He appears.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: newbie on March 12, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
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The message of the fall of Babylon, as given by the second angel, is again given, with the addition of the corruptions which have been entering the churches since 1844. The work of this angel comes in at the right time, and joins in the last great work of the third angel's message, as it swells into a loud cry. And the people of God are fitted up every where to stand in the hour of temptation which they are soon to meet. I saw a great light resting upon them, and they united in the message, and fearlessly proclaimed with great power the third angel's message.  {1SG 193.2}

this bolded part is what will cause a shaking in the church
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Soli Deo Gloria on March 13, 2010, 01:51:11 AM
And the call comes, only those who have been waiting and preparing their lives by accepting Jesus and His standards will be translate with Him when He appears.

maskeenel,

Would you please clarify what you mean by the above statement? Are we saved by accepting Jesus alone, or are we saved by accepting Jesus plus His standards? And if the latter, then what do you mean by standards?

Stan
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Raven on March 13, 2010, 03:57:56 AM
maskeenel,

Would you please clarify what you mean by the above statement? Are we saved by accepting Jesus alone, or are we saved by accepting Jesus plus His standards? And if the latter, then what do you mean by standards?

Stan

Without presuming to read maskeenel's mind, I think what he was getting at is that by accepting Jesus, one also accepts His standards, His way of living, as outlined in Scripture.  What are the 10 commandments if they are not a set of standards, so to speak?  They are a transcript of God's character, and describe how His followers will live.  Those who love God will not want to offend Him, or any of His children by lying, stealing, murdering, etc., etc.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Robert Parker on March 13, 2010, 11:48:59 PM
If I recall correctly the primary function of "the latter rain" is not so much to lead people to Christ as it is to prepare those who are already with Christ to give the Loud Cry with power and garner in the harvest. There can be no question that there will be an unpresidented out pouring of the Holy Spirit upon those who are seeking Christ but this seems to be a different function of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps there is a two pronged function of the latter rain.

Hello my friend Colporteur. Are you the one I know from elsewhere? Isn't one of the functions of the Latter Rain to empower the saints to go forth and preach the Third angel's message?

Robert
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: newbie on March 14, 2010, 08:24:18 AM
Hello my friend Colporteur. Are you the one I know from elsewhere? Isn't one of the functions of the Latter Rain to empower the saints to go forth and preach the Third angel's message?

Robert

Hi Robert,
Yes, I agree with you...  But, I must inform you that Cp is no longer on this board. 
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Robert Parker on March 16, 2010, 07:37:03 PM
Hi Robert,
Yes, I agree with you...  But, I must inform you that Cp is no longer on this board. 

Do you mean that he is no longer posting here Newbie? Or has he disappeared altogether? My, Satan has a field day doesn't he?
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: newbie on March 16, 2010, 08:55:15 PM
Do you mean that he is no longer posting here Newbie? Or has he disappeared altogether? My, Satan has a field day doesn't he?
That's right, Robert.... he no longer posts here.  If you want to talk to him I can give you his email.  PM me if you want it. 
God Bless,
newbie
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Robert Parker on March 16, 2010, 11:41:23 PM
That's right, Robert.... he no longer posts here.  If you want to talk to him I can give you his email.  PM me if you want it. 
God Bless,
newbie

I have his address Newbie and got a nice long letter from him today. Thanks.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: deacon1949 on March 20, 2010, 08:01:46 PM
All through the new testament Jesus used the things of nature to explain what He was trying to teach His listeners. In the days of Christ, the farmers would understand what He meant, and I have an idea of what He used it for.
I grew upon a farm, and rain is very important to a farmer.
Ther spring rains give moisture to help in the germination of the seed, and as the rains come through the summer, they help it to grow.
But, if the last rains of the season don't come, many times the crops won't ripen.
Using that allegory, I think He was intimating that the latter rain would cause the ripening of the growth already started. We plant the seed by sharing Christ with someone [early rain] as we continue to share, we water the seed already planted [by us or another] and just before the harvest they are given another 'drenching' if you will, and this causes the ripening [latter rain].
All of this needs to be led by the Spirit, and overseen by Him to accomplish the expected harvest, and though I am no theologian, I am a farmer at heart even if not on one now.
My $.02 :-)
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 10, 2014, 10:04:59 PM
The subject of the actual outpouring of the Early and Latter Rains deserves scholarly consideration and a well thought out searching of both SDA history and what God has said and God has already sent.

It seems that this man has done both.

Ellen G. White and the Loud Cry (Fred Bischoff )

MP3   http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/   (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/)

PDF    http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf   (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf)
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: newbie on October 11, 2014, 04:22:35 PM
Ed you have revived this old thread and it reminds me that dear Robert has left us... oh how I miss him.  We used to chat via emails as he was in australia and me here/  It was a mind blowing experience to be talking to someone from around the world.  A colporteur all his life.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: V. Hahn on October 15, 2014, 10:37:55 AM
Ed you have revived this old thread and it reminds me that dear Robert has left us... oh how I miss him.  We used to chat via emails as he was in australia and me here/  It was a mind blowing experience to be talking to someone from around the world.  A colporteur all his life.

I miss him, too, Newbie.  What a dear man he was, and I look forward to seeing him under the Tree of Life!
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 15, 2014, 06:54:26 PM
Robert got God's words in the hands of people, so by their reading and studying and understanding and applying those words, the people were then in position for God to work in them His desired way, by the resulting actions of those words and their studied out applications being put to use, cleared the King's highway in their lives.

Have you listened to the links that were posted ?   

Robert Palmer could only help a little and that by getting those words into the hands of the people. 

The words themselves contained the power of Jesus, waiting for the touches of faith by the readers, to access the blessings and life from above, that Jesus designed the whole process to conduit, from Himself up in the Most Holy Place Sanctuary in Heaven, down to Earth and into them.     

John 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Ephesians 4:8  Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

John 10:10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Through the books being read and followed and the godly links opened shared, seen, read, listened to and followed - Robert and other LE's influence lives on long after their death. 

Hebrews 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Listen, read, watch, the links, this continues the witnessing about God that Robert only started.

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   The subject of the actual outpouring of the Early and Latter Rains deserves scholarly consideration and a well thought out searching of both SDA history and what God has said and God has already sent.

It seems that this man has done both.

Ellen G. White and the Loud Cry (Fred Bischoff )

MP3   http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/   (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/pioneers/modern-works/ellen-g-white-and-the-loud-cry/)

PDF    http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf   (http://ellenwhiteaudio.org/audio/en/pioneers/Modern%20Works/Ellen%20G.%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry/Ellen%20White%20and%20the%20Loud%20Cry.pdf)   

We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history. {CET 204.1} {LS 196.2} 

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   "In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing,.......... and His teaching in our past history. We are now a strong people, if we will put our trust in the Lord; for we are handling the mighty truths of the word of God. We have everything to be thankful for."--General Conference Bulletin, 1893, p. 24 (see Life Sketches, p. 196; Testimonies to Ministers, p. 31).  {3SM 162.3}   

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   In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing, I can say, Praise God! As I see what God has wrought, I am filled with astonishment, and with confidence in Christ as leader. We have nothing to fear for the future except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history.  {TM 31.1} 
     We are now a strong people, if we will put our trust in the Lord; for we are handling the mighty truths of the word of God. We have everything to be thankful for. If we walk in the light as it shines upon us from the living oracles of God, we shall have large responsibilities, corresponding to the great light given us of God. We have many duties to perform because we have been made the depositaries of sacred truth to be given to the world in all its beauty and glory. We are debtors to God to use every advantage He has entrusted to us to beautify the truth by holiness of character, and to send the messages of warning, and of comfort, of hope and love, to those who are in the darkness of error and sin.  {TM 31.2}   

As the information in these links is studied, there are advantages that were not passed on to us, by standard educational resources in our schools or publications. 

We were not given these advantages earlier, but we have them now, so in memory of Robert and all the other LE's, and the cause of Light, they worked for, and lived by, let us listen, watch, study for ourselves, and apply what God has sent us, so that in putting it to it's obvious uses, we will ourselves be quickened from above, and be enabled to share these blessings after having received them ourselves.
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 15, 2014, 10:03:35 PM
Quoting Raven
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  Without presuming to read maskeenel's mind, I think what he was getting at is that by accepting Jesus, one also accepts His standards, His way of living, as outlined in Scripture.     

Heaven's standards = spiritually, mentally, physically, Biblically fearing God.  This is eating the flesh and drinking the blood ( life ) of Jesus Christ and partaking of His Divine Nature, as He partook of Father God.

Luke 4:4  And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2 Corinthians 13:4  For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Acts 17:28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

1 John 4:9  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

John 6:
57  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

part 1-    http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html    (http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-466-kjv-texts-and-counting.html)

part 2 -  http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-explaining-concept.html  (http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fearing-god-explaining-concept.html)

part 3 -  http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fear-god-explaining-concept-part-2.html  (http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/2011/08/fear-god-explaining-concept-part-2.html)

part 4 - conclusion   http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/  (http://feargodbibletexts.blogspot.com/)

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quoting Stan   
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Are we saved by accepting Jesus alone, or are we saved by accepting Jesus plus His standards?   

This ought be answered later by Inspiration - since it is a salvation question - the answer is found and waiting - will post later in due time.   Folks can argue & debate Scripture and often do, so plain very descriptive SOP will be posted.

The defining question is - How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?
Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 17, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
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  How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?     

Not like this :
1 Corinthians 4:14  beloved <27> sons <5043> I warn you.

1 Corinthians 4:17   Timotheus, who is my beloved <27> son <5043>,

Ephesians 5:1  as dear <27> children <5043>;

2 Timothy 1:2  To Timothy, dearly beloved <27> son <5043>

1 John 3:2  Beloved <27>, now are we the sons <5043>

<27> beloved - is not in contrast regarding sonship .  But <5043> is an offspring, a produced , created child, someone who is loved for a short human span of years.

27. α)γαπητο/ς agapetos ag-ap-ay-tos’; from 25; beloved: —  (dearly, well) beloved, dear.

5043. τε/κνον teknon tek’-non; from the base of 5098; a child (as produced): —  child, daughter, son.



5043 τέκνον teknon tek’-non

from the base of 5098; n n; TDNT-5:636,759;  {See TDNT 581}

AV-child 77, son 21, daughter 1; 99

1) offspring, children
1a) child
1a) a male child, a son
1b) metaph.
1b1) the name transferred to that intimate and reciprocal relationship formed between men by the bonds of love, friendship, trust, just as between parents and children
1b2) in affectionate address, such as patrons, helpers, teachers and the like employ: my child
1b3) in the NT, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters
1b4) children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to God, in the NT, in Paul’s writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God and thus closely related to God
1b5) children of the devil: those who in thought and action are prompted by the devil, and so reflect his character
1c) metaph.
1c1) of anything who depends upon it, is possessed by a desire or affection for it, is addicted to it
1c2) one who is liable to any fate
1c2a) thus children of a city: it citizens and inhabitants
1c3) the votaries of wisdom, those souls who have, as it were, been nurtured and moulded by wisdom
1c4) cursed children, exposed to a curse and doomed to God’s wrath or penalty
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Title: Re: A Serious Consideration
Post by: Ed Sutton on October 18, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
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Christ came to the world to counteract Satan's falsehood that God had made a law which men could not keep. Taking humanity upon Himself, He came to this earth, and by a life of obedience showed that God has not made a law that man cannot keep. He showed that it is possible for man perfectly to obey the law. Those who accept Christ as their Saviour, becoming partakers of His divine nature, are enabled to follow His example, living in obedience to every precept of the law. Through the merits of Christ, man is to show by his obedience that he could be trusted in heaven, that he would not rebel.  {FLB 114.2} 


The sinful nature of man was weak, and he was prone to the transgression of God's commandments. Man had not the power to do the words of God; that is why Christ came to our world, that He might give him moral power. There was no power in heaven or in earth but the power of Christ that could deliver from the [sentence illegible in original]. He came to meet the difficulty and to remove it. His own arm brought salvation. God sent forth His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh that He might condemn sin in the flesh and reveal the fact to heaven, to the worlds unfallen and also the fallen world, that through the power of divine grace, through partaking of the divine nature, man need no longer stand under the curse of the law or remain in transgression.  {14MR 82.3} 
     The nature of Christ was a combination of the divine and the human. Having all the attributes of God, He also represented the excellencies of humanity and showed that all who believe in Christ as their personal Saviour will perfect a character after Christ's likeness, and be qualified to become laborers together with God. By precept and example He uplifts those who are depraved, for through the virtues of Jesus Christ he has become the son of God. His life is like Christ's life, his work is like Christ's work, and he will not fail nor be discouraged, because he is vitalized by the Spirit and power of Jesus Christ.  {14MR 83.1} 

The defining question is - How IS Jesus accepted in God's sight ?

Matthew 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 25:11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Luke 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 13:25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Luke 6:46  And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

The law reveals to man his sins, but it provides no remedy. While it promises life to the obedient, it declares that death is the portion of the transgressor. The gospel of Christ alone can free him from the condemnation or the defilement of sin. He must exercise repentance toward God, whose law has been transgressed; and faith in Christ, his atoning sacrifice. Thus he obtains "remission of sins that are past" and becomes a partaker of the divine nature. He is a child of God, having received the spirit of adoption, whereby he cries: "Abba, Father!"  {GC 467.4} 



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