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Evangelism => Sharing Our Faith and Personal Evangelism => Topic started by: colporteur on August 12, 2008, 08:29:20 PM

Title: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 12, 2008, 08:29:20 PM
Last week I finished working a literature booth at the country fair and will work another next week. There were several very good contacts and about 500 silent messengers handed out. As is customary some of the best contacts were with other vendors. I took one vendor a sample  of my vegan pizza that a church friend made for me. They thought it was wonderful and traded me a bottle of their health product for two vegan cookbooks. They are not vegetarian but are open. Two young men that worked the carnival rides stopped at the booth several times. One of the men read through 10 chapters of the Great Controversy (Darkness Before Dawn) the first  day while working. The next day he took and read half of Ministry of Healing. The next day he took another book. I sought him out to see if he was reading the books and when I approached him he was intently reading the book. In many instances these "silent messengers" are speaking loudly,... nay,... screaming out... all across the country. There were several short Bible studies at the booth and over 200 entries for the drawing at the small fair. Approximately 100 of those entires requested information on our books. Churches that do not take advantage of their county fair are missing golden opportunities that probalby will not exist next year at this time.

I had man stop at the booth who purchased three sets of our children's books and a Bible Readings seven years ago. He read party of the Bbile readings and lent it out. The person that borrowed it lost it. I gave him another copy in paperback and a "Mark of the Beast by Vance Ferrell. The man said that we really don't need to know about that because we will not be here anyway. Like so many he has bought inot the rapture theory and everything taking place in Israel. Since we were not able to study it out I used an approach that works very well in this situation in terms of jogging the person into realizing their need for further study. It goes something like this

cp: " Do you  think, Jim, I could be in error believing that the rapture does not take place before the tribulation?
Jim: " Oh certainly."
cp: " I agree that none of us are infallible."
cp: " Do you think it is possible that YOU could be in error in terms of when the rapture takes place?"
Jim, " Yes, it is possible."
cp:  "If I'm am wrong about this and yet am right with Jesus and  expecting to be here during the tribulation but am raptured out before.. I will not drop an anchor"  :-D I would be happy to go."
Jim:  "Yah, you would have nothing to loose."
cp: "That's right, but what if you are incorrect and not thinking you would be here have not studied this out and face the mark of the beast totally unprepared. Then what would happen ?"
Jim: "Yah, I see what you mean. How much IS that book?"
cp: "The only payment I really want is for you to read it but some folks offer a donation to help out. I would be very appreciative."

Jim is very happy to help out, will value the book more because of the donation;  he has an interest in the subject that he did not have before and I have a little gas money.
 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 12, 2008, 08:50:48 PM
Cp,
I remember your info. on this and brought it up at a business meeting last year.  Well, finally this year we got one going just this last week.  Praise the Lord!!  :)

newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 12, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
Cp,
I remember your info. on this and brought it up at a business meeting last year.  Well, finally this year we got one going just this last week.  Praise the Lord!!  :)

newbie

Halleluiah !

What kind of approach are you/will you be.. using ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on August 13, 2008, 07:25:08 AM
Where is the best (cheapest) place to get books by the case?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 13, 2008, 08:03:30 AM
Where is the best (cheapest) place to get books by the case?

Harvestime Books in TN. produces the lowest cost for bulk books in newsprint.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: lily-of-the-field on August 13, 2008, 01:07:43 PM
It is always a blessing for me to read your encouraging stories, Cp, especially about the young man operating the carnival ride.  You're doing a wonderful work.  God bless you.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 13, 2008, 05:57:33 PM
It is always a blessing for me to read your encouraging stories, Cp, especially about the young man operating the carnival ride.  You're doing a wonderful work.  God bless you.

Thank you Lily. I'm just thankful we have all the literature we do.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 25, 2008, 09:02:05 PM
 This week I worked another literature booth at the local county fair. The responses were encouraging and some were nothing short of incredible.

  We had a table on one side of the booth with 16 magabooks laid out. Another table was set up  in front with free literature on each side and a drawing box in the middle. Then there was a back table with several sets of books sitting up and stagered across the table. Behind that was a 5ft tall colorful vinyl banner saying "Building Character through Stories" and showing several sets of books. I tied ballons shaped like poodles and and swords (sword of the spirit) and handed out  "Amercia Super Power of Bible Prophecy","Shiloh", and a Bible Story and a health brochure to everyone who stopped at the booth. The dynamics at the booth and the cross section of people were incredible. Each day I posted a thought provoking question on the free-drawing box and offered a free book to those who answered the question correctly. Questions were asked such as  " Is there a verse in the NT KJV that specifically addresses living together?  The answer is "yes" and the verse speaks of "chambering" Romans 13:13. Another question was "Do the wicked receive the gift of eternal live?" Romans 6:23. Another was "How many cattle entered the ark?" This often led to a discussion on health. The question that stimulated the most interest was " Who is the beast of Rev. 13:11 ?   Then we would do a Bible study that would last about 5-10 minutes. There was intense interest by pastors and laity. Police officers purchased health books. Pastor's took books on the Mark of the beast. Vendors came into the booth and prayed for the success of the sales of our books. One vendor spent a total of 3 hours or  more in my booth talking about health and then purchased over $300.00 worth of our health books even though one of her parishioners working a booth directly across from me told her church Baptist members at her (and my ) booth that we were a cult, do not believe in Jesus, and believe we are saved by works. I took this lady wonderful salads each day from my garden. Her church member turned a few people away but most  were won over by former knowledge of our Bible Story books, as many have them, by our good spirit, and by all the activity at our booth. Many of these Baptist folks would not turned away. Some were so moved by the studies I held at the booth that even though they were counseled to stay clear of us they accepted books on pointed prophecy and one fellow took a paperback on the Mark of the Beast back to  one of the booths the Baptist's were working and proceeded to read the book in spite of friends telling them not to. I have never seen the devil work so hard against us and yet evil was overcome with kind and continually persistence and  the prevailing presence of God infected the people. In the booth to my right the prosecuting attorney was working finger printing the children. After a few days we warmed up to each other. I eventually learned that he is very conscientious and moral Catholic gentlemen who has read his Bible through and at the core has many protestant beliefs...does not believe the Pope is infallible, does not believe in purgatory, does not believe the church was founded on Peter. He accepted the book National Sunday Law. I approached him that" being an attorney I thought he might enjoy the book."
     The lady that bought all the health books said she was far more spiritual than her husband  and that he probably would not talk to me about the Bible. He ended up being the open one as she closed up after studying some with me and her husband then came around and we studied on the state of the dead. He took my publication on the topic and when we tore down after the fair he came over and we prayed together. This Baptist man prayed that God would bless my work and lead many to purchase our books. I prayed for his ministry dealing with addictions and though he was two of me at 6'6'' and 280 lbs gave me a big hug anda handshake.
             I  came down with a severe bug due to putting forth so much  energy for 12 hours day after day but was sustained enough to weather the last few days with a whole roll of paper towels for my nose and a thousand sneezes. Probably a few people were infected with more than the Holy Spirit  but I had no choice other than to stay home and I trust the price was not too much to pay for the people receiving so much truth. I will visit many again later in their homes but mean time trsut and pray and that the Silent Messengers are speaking loudly to some and shouting to others as the time is at hand.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Raven on August 26, 2008, 03:12:06 AM
Keep these stories coming, cp; they are very encouraging.  If one extrapolates to every county fair in the country, I wonder how many more there are who might be as receptive as those you encountered?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Jim on August 26, 2008, 06:02:57 AM
What in credible stories Cp.
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Joh 4:34  Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Joh 4:35  Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 26, 2008, 07:07:55 AM
Cp,
Good morning and a new day in Jesus Christ to serve Him and to help lost souls!

Our people had a booth at the fair but I have not heard anything.  They organized it during the time when I was gone down in the Ozarks to visit my 'cave' so I could not help out.  I think they did the same kinds of things they used to do years ago...  I tried to get them to set up displays for the kids as an attractant but I do not know if that happened. 

I do know this, that we have a free family bible in a strong case and raffle tickets for people to sign up and the card also has places where they can check for bible studies or other publications.  We have this set up year round at key businesses.  We have one display rack in Spanish and one in English.  It has been working very well.

I like your stories Cp because you tell the reality of it all.  It is not easy street and people will be used by Satan to discourage but we have to stay strong in Jesus to dispel any doubts.  There are always people that will watch carefully everything you do to see if you are Christian in all your ways.  This probably spoke louder to them  (the silent preacher), then the ugly words said by others in Satan's snare of doubt.

Go forward in a great work in Jesus Christ as time is short.... 

newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 26, 2008, 07:13:18 AM
Keep these stories coming, cp; they are very encouraging.  If one extrapolates to every county fair in the country, I wonder how many more there are who might be as receptive as those you encountered?

I am soundly convicted that whenever a church bypasses an opportunity to occupy a booth at the fair precious opportunities are lost which will have eternal consequence. It does matter how the booth is operated though. While discernment and great energy are required it is a time for a fire in the belly boldness. While we are not to be unnecessarily offensive in the public setting we must go on the offensive and take the message to the people. The enemy is bold and calculating. We must be the same. I believe we are far too timid as a rule and tend to want to soften the message for fear of conflict. We can say bold and convicting things to people if we use tact. I tend to respond quite differently to some here on an SDA forum than in the setting of a fair because the dynamics are different and the people are different. If SDAs or former SDAs were to stop at the booth and work against truth I would respond similarly to them although not necessarily addressing every falsehood.

     The Holy Spirit is moving upon the people. If we will just be moved they will be moved to listen and respond. We do not have to be at fairs though as there are opportunities everywhere if we are only watchful, waiting, anticipating, and prepared to speak and act. I try to carry literature with me everywhere even when I'm off duty and out of uniform. :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 26, 2008, 07:15:22 AM
Yes, Jim I think you are right. The harvest is ready even in America. I believe our best opportunities for witnessing are just beginning to develop. The condition of the church has greatly delayed the harvest but soon it will not matter the condition of the church as events will be so serious as to override this problem. In other words I believe people will be so moved that when they come in they will not be shaken out.


Newbie;

This fair was unique in that we had to booths neither of which promoted the church name on the surface. While I had the literature booth down the isle and across the way the church had a Start New Booth promoting the upcoming Start New Health Series at the church.

I think many times our people just do not know how to work a booth. People naturally tend to work according to their personal experience and most have not had all that much experience with the public. Some of that njust lazy indiffference along the way and for some they just have not caught the vision.  Even so, I believe that no matter how a booth is run it will produce some good fruit its just that... why settle for crumbs when we  can have a feast ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on August 27, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
  We had a table on one side of the booth with 16 magabooks laid out. Another table was set up  in front with free literature on each side and a drawing box in the middle. Then there was a back table with several sets of books sitting up and stagered across the table. Behind that was a 5ft tall colorful vinyl banner saying "Building Character through Stories" and showing several sets of books. I tied ballons shaped like poodles and and swords (sword of the spirit) and handed out  "Amercia Super Power of Bible Prophecy","Shiloh", and a Bible Story and a health brochure to everyone who stopped at the booth. The dynamics at the booth and the cross section of people were incredible. Each day I posted a thought provoking question on the free-drawing box and offered a free book to those who answered the question correctly. Questions were asked such as  " Is there a verse in the NT KJV that specifically addresses living together?  The answer is "yes" and the verse speaks of "chambering" Romans 13:13. Another question was "Do the wicked receive the gift of eternal live?" Romans 6:23. Another was "How many cattle entered the ark?" This often led to a discussion on health. The question that stimulated the most interest was " Who is the beast of Rev. 13:11 ?   Then we would do a Bible study that would last about 5-10 minutes.

cp, Thank you for the descriptions of how you set things up at the booth. What other approaches have you done to get people's attention? Other banners you've used? You've given me some great ideas to work with.

I think many times our people just do not know how to work a booth. People naturally tend to work according to their personal experience and most have not had all that much experience with the public.

That's me...that's why I need ideas.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Pamela Adams on August 27, 2008, 12:57:55 PM
Cp.....yes please keep the stories coming...so inspiring...and yes it would be good if you have any other ideas of how to get the people's attention. Just recently I heard someone say that the way to evangelize is to form small groups within the church, and each group then becomes a mini evangelizing church...working in the area that they meet in....but the question comes up....how to work.  In a rural area the homes are not close together....and behind locked gates...in a few areas where there is a housing development, door to door work is forbidden....what do we do?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 27, 2008, 08:54:42 PM
Cp.....yes please keep the stories coming...so inspiring...and yes it would be good if you have any other ideas of how to get the people's attention. Just recently I heard someone say that the way to evangelize is to form small groups within the church, and each group then becomes a mini evangelizing church...working in the area that they meet in....but the question comes up....how to work.  In a rural area the homes are not close together....and behind locked gates...in a few areas where there is a housing development, door to door work is forbidden....what do we do?

The fair or some like activity is a good way to get behind locked doors and such. Once contact is made at the booth and a short but profitable relationship is established, soon after a phone call can be made and an appointment set up to drop off a couple of gifts from the drawing.  From there you can leave or sell more literature, have prayer with them or set up Bible studies depending on their interest. This will not work with everybody but what does ? If you are shy about the phone you would have to just look up the address and pray that you can get through. It is alot easier than door to door because you have already met the people, they know you, like you, and already know what you are about. You will be able to tell at the booth quite a little about the kind of interest the folks are and also by how they fill out their drawing card which should include questions about their name, address, home and work phone, ages of children, church preference, and areas of interst in terms of literature. I have worked fairs, home shows, and sport and boat shows with good success. As a result of my first fair the lord placed $25,000.00 worth of books in the homes over a 6 month period.The fairs tend to be less of an investment than the trade shows. Sometimes cities have a one or two day religious fest where you can rent a booth. I have not had that opportunity though. I have had as many as 1300 entries in a single drawing at local county fairs and the state fairs tend to be even better though one again I have never been near a state fair. I don't think advertising the church at the booth is the best approach though I'm not so hesitant to tell people I am SDA as I once was. I think its just a matter of experience added to the fact that people are becoming increasingly ecumenically minded. My first sportshow was a small one which only drew 500 people. most of then signed up for the drawing and as a result $10,000.00 in literature was placed in non SDA homes.

    I have had some of the most interesting experiences in restaurants. Once while in Sioux City, IA. I was sitting in a booth and heard some folks behind me talking about religion. I could tell they were sharing some concerns about Catholic beliefs and were Catholic themselves. I rose up, stepped around my booth and said " I hope you don't mind but I couldn't help hearing your concerns about some of your beliefs. I have had those very concerns myself. The people invited me to sit down and we had a very profitable discussion for about 15 minutes until their food came.  I finshed by stating that I had a book in the car I thought they would very much appreciate. I returned with a paperback Great Controversy which they warmly accepted. Sometimes it pays to have big ears. :-D

     One time I saw a helmet from a biker resting on the seat of his Harley in the parking lot. On the helmet it said something favorable about Jesus. I thought when I entered the restaurant I would see if I could locate the biker. It was easily done. I shared that I really appreciated the message on his helmet. He said, "thank you very much". I gave him a publication which he was happy to accept.

Another time I was sitting in a restaurant at 2:00 in the afternoon 100 miles from home.. I sat next to the only other people in the place. I could hear the two colored men behind me talking about spiritual things. After a while I rose and visited with the men giving them a Bible story brochure and a Darkness before Dawn publication. The pastor said, " I'm SDA and this is my head elder."   Well, at least they knew I was working.  :wink:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 28, 2008, 09:32:28 AM
Cp,
This is great!  My partner is a great starter and always knows what to say to break the ice...  I'm still learning and very shy but need to know how to approach strangers with a message...  I really like the two examples that you shared!!


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" I hope you don't mind but I couldn't help hearing your concerns about some of your beliefs. I have had those very concerns myself.

and.....

 I shared that I really appreciated the message on his helmet. He said, "thank you very much". I gave him a publication which he was happy to accept.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 28, 2008, 12:20:48 PM
Cp,
This is great!  My partner is a great starter and always knows what to say to break the ice...  I'm still learning and very shy but need to know how to approach strangers with a message...  I really like the two examples that you shared!!



Probably by the time we get half way proficient at this life will be over or the Lord will be here. Thankfully the Lord can bridge the gap and compenstate for our weakness. I often carry Bible Story brochures with me and at the time of giving the free lit share that I work with the Bible Stories. Even if a person is not an LE he can say something to the effect, " I work with the folks that place the blue Bible Stories in your medical clinic (show the brochure) and hospital waitng rooms and have something you might appreciate. This brings in familiiarity and draws us to the people.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 28, 2008, 01:14:12 PM
Probably by the time we get half way profient at this life will be over or the Lord will be here. Thankfully the Lord can bridge the gap and compenstate for our weakness. I often carry Bible Story brochures with me and at the time of giving the free lit share that I work with the Bible Stories. Even if a person is not an LE he can say something to the effect, " I work with the folks that place the blue Bible Stories in your medical clinic (show the brochure) and hospital waitng rooms and have something you might appreciate. This brings in familiiarity and draws us to the people.

Cp,
I have used that too and thankfully there was a LE that did place that book long ago and people recognized it.  A great little book!  I have had the impression that grandparents love to buy that bible series for their grandchildren and read to them. 

I have books stuffed all over in my car and it has come in handy!!  Maybe I'll share some time... :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on August 28, 2008, 02:09:49 PM
Cp,
I have used that too and thankfully there was a LE that did place that book long ago and people recognized it.  A great little book!  I have had the impression that grandparents love to buy that bible series for their grandchildren and read to them. 

I have books stuffed all over in my car and it has come in handy!!  Maybe I'll share some time... :-)

Even if the books are not in one particular office in town they almost aways are in another. Most everyone has seen them but even if they haven't they seem to think they have as most people see all books the same. I have found that about 40% of the people that say they have our Bible Story books don't have them at all but some other Bible Story book. They do not distinguish the difference even if their book is white and ours is blue. I think this is a sign of the carelessness with which people often relate to spiritual things. I have sold alot of books to grandparents to give to the grands.  I use the Bible story brochure for an opener for almost every situation even if I am just going to give someone a paperback on the street. Again, the association is positive and just to be able to say that these are in clinic waiting rooms gives our whole ministry credibility and tends to disassociate us from cults and such.

Boy, I need to use spell check more and do not realize how many letters I miss until reading my post quoted.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 02, 2008, 08:22:53 PM
While out canvassing with my son tonight I read an interesting slogan, "Give the devil an inch and he'll become a ruler." I love one liners like that.

I canvassed a Baptist mother with 9 children. While I canvassed the mother my son was out riding around on a wooden horse drawn wagon having the time of his life with six well behaved boys of all ages. An order was placed for a 17 volume library of books which included the Great Controversy. This was a follow up from an interest developed at the county fair. We had a study at the booth on Gen. 7:2-3 and then Lev. on the clean and unclean. Just that little study so impressed the mother that she studied this at home with her children and one of her sons presented it to their pastor. It helped build credibility in our books. It didn't hurt that she grew up with the Bedtime Stories. It really takes miracles with Michigan's economy being the worst in the US but is anything too hard for God?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Jim on September 03, 2008, 07:05:10 AM
Cp, I'm guessing that not all your visits turn out so well. But none-the-less I'm making an educated guess that you have a very high rate of "job satisfaction". Keep the stories coming.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 03, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
Cp, I'm guessing that not all your visits turn out so well. But none-the-less I'm making an educated guess that you have a very high rate of "job satisfaction". Keep the stories coming.

 Typically when I work the fairs hard ( I always do) the Lord averages in follow up about $150-$200 worth of books placed  per demo given. Tonight I had one demo after visiting the homes of 20 interests from the fair. Only in five instances were people home. Two were not interested. One, LDS father was busy and said to come back on Sunday and with one the mother purchased a 17 vol.  hardcover Library which included Bible Readings, and her sister purchased a Great Controvery and Desire of Ages magabooks. I gave them a paperback on death as the 9 year old son said that grandpa is an angel and mother she communicated with him once in a dream.  It was a long day at 11 hours and 219 miles of driving. My cell didn't work so that factored in some extra driving. Fortunately my GPS helped me network homes in a given area. Rate of success is always high after a fair or two. The longer I run the cards the fewer number of books placed. Those days when I can put in a full day it is unusual not to sell some books but it does happen. Yes, occasionally there are some real run ins. So far I have not been whipped and jailed. I have talked to the police several times though it never really amounted to anything. I remember when I first started out. My leader was with me and I was canvassing a very interested family when there was a knock at the door from the police. Peter realized there was an issue and went to the door and smoothed it out. Needless to say though it was impossible to recover from that as the people wonderd why the police were looking for us. It was no surprise that the people did not buy a nice big library. I tried to act like all was normal but who is going to spend hundreds of $$ on books from someone the police were looking for even though we explained that all was well and some nervous Nelly called them. The neat part of it all was that when I dropped down to a paperback Great Contorversy, explaining it and asking for a donation the mother took the book in her hand. She flipped through it and stopped.  I could see something in the book caught her eye. I could not tell what it was but it caught her attention. She gave a $5.00 donation inspite of everything. I believe Satan won the battle but lost the war in this home that day.
    Another time I had an appointment with an elderly lady. To my surprise the police pulled in right behind me when I arrived. She had called the police so she would feel more secure, I guess. When I explained the situation to him and invited him to come in an listen he acted kind of uncomfortable and sheepish and said, "no that's ok. I'd better be going." The Lord has sold books to quite a few police officers through my efforts.
   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 04, 2008, 07:19:43 AM
Unfortunately, Satan has gone before us and worked through people to take advantage of good people.  They have a law now in the town that you cannot sell anything door to door and if they have a no soliciting sign on the door we cannot go there even if we are not selling anything.   

The laws have changed and even though we do not sell anything we have been stopped twice by the police.  We have registered in the town and had background checks and everything because of laws changing.  We don't have to do this but it helps. 

Satan has his workers out there that want to stop us often and have been confronted by men telling us not to bother the people, this and that....  so we leave for that day and then find another area.  And, then come back later.  As we were leaving a young man was working on his car and overheard the conversation and told us he was interested and we placed a book with him on our way out!!   :-)

My feeling is that all of this is in the record books and good or bad everyone will have their chance to accept or reject. 

We visited almost 2,000 homes and placed something in at least 90% of them whether they were home or not.  I call them seeds.  Planted seeds that the HS of God will water some day.    :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 04, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
Unfortunately, Satan has gone before us and worked through people to take advantage of good people.  They have a law now in the town that you cannot sell anything door to door and if they have a no soliciting sign on the door we cannot go there even if we are not selling anything.   

The laws have changed and even though we do not sell anything we have been stopped twice by the police.  We have registered in the town and had background checks and everything because of laws changing.  We don't have to do this but it helps. 

Satan has his workers out there that want to stop us often and have been confronted by men telling us not to bother the people, this and that....  so we leave for that day and then find another area.  And, then come back later.  As we were leaving a young man was working on his car and overheard the conversation and told us he was interested and we placed a book with him on our way out!!   :-)

My feeling is that all of this is in the record books and good or bad everyone will have their chance to accept or reject. 

We visited almost 2,000 homes and placed something in at least 90% of them whether they were home or not.  I call them seeds.  Planted seeds that the HS of God will water some day.    :-)

Good for you. You might ask the town if they allow Schwans to work there. Schwans often stop at homes without a previous order. My guess is that they still do.  Paul and company were "forbidden" to preach and teach. Their slogan was to obey God rather than man. It is no surprize that we will be prohibited from reaching out to the people. Just wait till our message makes headlines. This is one benefit from working fairs. The people (about 50%) mark on their cards a request for more information. While probably few expect a personal visit they have requested information so it is not door to door work. I believe the hit and run method of door ot door is wise. Not that we need to run but to work an area and then move to another town or part of town is good. Paul did so to let things cool down.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 04, 2008, 09:06:30 AM
Having said that, I actually have things with me where ever I go.  Just yesterday I went shopping and placed a book with a stranger.  Amazing how God will place people in our midst.   :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 04, 2008, 12:03:47 PM
Having said that, I actually have things with me where ever I go.  Just yesterday I went shopping and placed a book with a stranger.  Amazing how God will place people in our midst.   :-D

Yes, if we are going forth in prepared anticipation we will be used. Too often people go about their daily business without much thought of witnessing. Then when the opportunity presents itself we are caught sleeping. Why would God lead people to us if we are not watchful and ready? I don't obviously  carry a purse but am thinking about some kind of small case with literature and keep it glued to me at all times.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 04, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
Yes, if we are going forth in prepared anticipation we will be used. Too often people go about their daily business without much thought of witnessing. Then when the opportunity presents itself we are caught sleeping. Why would God lead people to us if we are not watchful and ready? I don't obviously  carry a purse but am thinking about some kind of small case with literature and keep it glued to me at all times.

....with winter coming, men always have inside pockets for all kinds of things.....  I have to sew extra pockets in my attire in order to have handouts!!
 
some one got in my car one day and they started to look at all my books that I had available stuffed here and there...  it was pretty funny they pulled down the visor and a book fell on their lap...

when you are driving you just never know...  you may have to be fast ....
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 04, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
I had a tough time finding people home tonight but set up a couple of appointments for next week one with an AOG pastor. It promises to be a very good visit. I canvassed one very nice young couple who are overwelmed with medical bills. The husband and I did a study at the fair booth and I gave him a copy of the MOB there. I asked tonight if he had read the book. He answerd that he has read most of it and it makes alot of sense. He also commented that he has never seen such an anti-Catholic book. No doubt this is true as the death of protestantism is nearly universal. What are supposed to be protestant churches have so long subtly courted the Catholic church that biblical facts that reveal the truth about the Whore of Babylon seem stark. It is not because Catholicism has changed but because so called protestantism is so confused as to not know what to protest anymore. Soon they will be.... and sometimes already are...protesting the protesting of Catholicism. Imagine so called... protestantism protesting against protestantism.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: He Did It ALL on September 04, 2008, 06:19:29 PM
Sounds like you do very good work Colporteur. Do you find that people enjoy talking about Religion or want to avoid it?

I went out visiting with my Pastor today. I am always surprised at how many people really want to talk. Some perhaps are just lonely but many want to talk about God. These were mostly SDAs but some were not. What are you finding? Of course my visiting was focused on Jesus. Your talks may be more on the Catholic Church ... I don't know. What is your approach?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 04, 2008, 07:15:12 PM
Sounds like you do very good work Colporteur. Do you find that people enjoy talking about Religion or want to avoid it?

I went out visiting with my Pastor today. I am always surprised at how many people really want to talk. Some perhaps are just lonely but many want to talk about God. These were mostly SDAs but some were not. What are you finding? Of course my visiting was focused on Jesus. Your talks may be more on the Catholic Church ... I don't know. What is your approach?

First question ...That all depends on who the people are and how they are approached. With some folks you have to ease into the topic or else they think you are coming at them. Then there are those who would rather talk about anything before religion. Many of my people are screened somewhat (so to speak) according to my previous contact with them at the fair. I do not spend alto of time trying to push a rope.

Many people are lonely and some long for a conversation that is deeper than "how are the Lions doing?" Some have never been appealed to with deep spiritual questions and it is refreshing for them.  What I talk about varies considerably depending on the people. With some, little if anything is said about prophecy, the MOB, or Catholicism. With others I get right in the mix but am careful how I approach certain things and watch to see if I should not go there. I use little feeler questions and comments and observe the response. When a door opens we can walk through it and progress deeper in the topic. When we just nudge a topic and people close up it is best to go another direction. We can tell alot by observation so as not to blunder. While it is a life long learning process practice and experience makes much of it almost second nature. Alot of reflection on past experiences helps. One of the LE's worst hindrances is being too easily intimidated when we need not be. Another is getting lazy during the canvass. I tend to be active alert when canvassing and sensitive to the dynamics involved. Every home and family has its own setting, personality, and dynamics that must be observed and worked with. Then there is the unexpected that happens all the time, like the pastor dropping by. Never dull and always a challenge.
 
    I was canvassing a couple once evening. The phone rang. I continued to canvass the husband while trying to listen to what the wife was saying on the phone nearby. I caught that their pastor was coming over. Oh great!  I continued canvassing. The pastor, a young black man arrives. The wife meets him at the door and invited him in but they stand at the door talking. I continue canvassing the husband while trying to listen what is happening in the other corner of the house. Then I hear the pastor say, " I used to sell those books!"  Say what ?  He repeated, "Ya I used to sell those books!" "Those are good books."  My thinking is "great he put in a plug for the books but what is he... an apostate? This was a Baptist home. After he left and the family bought the books I quizzed them on their pastor. Turns out that their pastor left and they hired this young man as a lay pastor to fill in. I never learned all the particulars but the couple said that he has taught them about the Sabbath, the Sanctuary, the State of the Dead, and so on. This thing seemed like a dream. How did the Baptist church hire a lay pastor who believes and teaches SDA truth? The couple said he is careful who he says what to. I couldn't sort it all out and ultimately did not need to. Bottom line was he put in a plug for the books, didn't give me any trouble, and they purchased a 17 volume set of books.

Oh, the stories I have logged away.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 07, 2008, 07:37:25 AM
I solicit your prayers for canvassing success.  Tommorrow evening I will be canvassing an Assembly of God pastor. It promises to be a very good visit. We had a Bible study at my literature booth on Rev. 13:11. He was very receptive and took home a copy of Mark of the Beast.
 I will be leaving today in a couple of hours to travel about 60 miles to a small city on the lake to canvass interests from the fair booth held there three weeks ago. Sundays are good in that people are off work but they can be difficult inb terms of finding people at home.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 07, 2008, 07:39:13 AM
I solicit your prayers for canvassing success.  Tommorrow evening I will be canvassing an Assembly of God pastor. It promises to be a very good visit. We had a Bible study at my literature booth on Rev. 13:11. He was very receptive. I will be leaving today in a couple of hours to travel about 60 miles to a small city on the lake to canvass interests from the fair booth held there three weeks ago. Sundays are good in that people are off work but they can be difficult inb terms of finding people at home.
Cp,
I pray that you will have good weather too for people are always more receptive on nice days.  :)  God Speed!
newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 07, 2008, 07:44:56 AM
Cp,
I pray that you will have good weather too for people are always more receptive on nice days.  :)  God Speed!
newbie

I have found that the weather can work both ways. People are more cheerful in nice weather. They tend to be home more in bad weather and I believe they are more receptive in dark weather and the evening because they feel more insecure, vulnerable, and needy.

Thanks for your blessing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 11, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
My last 40 hours of canvassing of which 15 were travel, the Lord blessed wonderfully, and this was after a cancellation by a pastor who purchased a 32 volume library and his wife read him the riot act that night and cancelled the order the next day. Even so 97, volumes of hard cover books were placed. This last Sunday I stopped at a contractor's home. He said that he has never had so much work and nobody knows why since just about every construction contractor in the area is out of work. After visiting with him for a few minutes it was apparent why. This Catholic couple in their late 50's have hearts of gold and walk with the Lord. I ended up there for 3 hours. When we finished John and Patti had purchased a twenty-seven volume library of books which included the Bible Reference library (Conflict of the Ages), the Bible Stories, Encyclopedia of Foods and Medicinal plants. It was like a rapid fire evangelistic series with special emphasis on health. The most wonderful part was the reaction of the couple when I was leaving. Patti hugged me twice and John kept going on about what a wonderful surprise my visit was and how thankful they were that I came.

     I next canvassed a young mother who had grown up with the Bible Stories. Her husband was working at the Casino when I stopped. She explained that they were not walking together spiritually and purchased a seventeen volume library.

     Then I visited Jim. He is retirement age. His crippled brother and his sister live with him. Years ago he purchased all of our children's sets of books with the Bible Readings. Mysteriously he loaned out the Bible Readings to a friend who lost it. Hmmm!  I gave him a paperback copy and we had a nice study on Revelation 13 in his home. We discussed the Sabbath  and I could see there was some conviction there. He said that the Sabbath IS one of the commandments and he meant the seventh-day Sabbath. He purchased a Great Controversy.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 11, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
On another evening this week I canvassed Rachael and Jeremy. I was impressed with both of them particularly Jeremy. We had a Bible study and they responded well. Rachael struggled with the decision to purchase $600 worth of books. The longer I was there the more moved Jeremy was to purchase them. At one point Rachael said, " What if I could find them a lot cheaper on line?" Jeremy answered, "what if we can? this man has to make a living." I have never heard that before.  I offered to go to my vehicle for a few minutes and allow them to pray over it and talk it over. When I returned they purchased the books. Their parents were staying with them and at the Casino much to the dismay of this young couple. They returned just before I left. The young  couple were happy that the parents caught the tail end of our visit as it was a witness to them. Jeremy asked me to stop back some time and study some more.
     
     I canvassed a middle aged  Baptist man who signed up for the drawing at my booth. I gave him a "Mark of the Beast" paperback there after sharing a brief study on Rev. 13:11. He and his wife were very stressed financially and though he did not purchase any books, he responded to my question, " Did you read the book ?  what do you think of it?" with " I read part of it. It DOES raise some questions."  When I shared some things about the fourth commandment he just nodded and when I left him with more literature he shook my hand and said, "Thank you, sir."

The Holy Spirit is moving upon the hearts of the people like never before. I remember reading in the Spirit of Prophecy (paraphrased)  Most who come in and stand on the platform of truth will trace their first conviciions to the reading of our material.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Jim on September 12, 2008, 06:47:17 AM
Cp, it is obvious by your stories that the Spirit is moving on the hearts of men these days. We are told that the harvest is already white so where are the workers?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 12, 2008, 09:31:28 AM
Cp, it is obvious by your stories that the Spirit is moving on the hearts of men these days. We are told that the harvest is already white so where are the workers?

 I believe Jesus asked the same question.They are around but they are few. Our church tends to experience the same lethargy, generally speaking, that all the other churches experience. The difference is ..we have the truth... a lot of truth.  One of the greatest challeneges I have had is reconcilling the fact that we are told that there will be instances where if someone would have knocked on their door the people would have accepted Christ and been saved with the other statements to the effect that God is able to save to the utmost and all who can be saved will be saved. Why the latter is true, our words, actions, and work can make the difference between many being saved or lost.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Richard OFfill on September 23, 2008, 05:07:29 AM
Thank you for the stories. The colporteurs and now the young people who are selling Mega Books are the front line of carrying the messages to the people.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on September 29, 2008, 08:35:52 PM
Tonight I contacted a young man whom the Lord and I sold books to a couple of weeks ago. I'll call him Brady. He requested that I call and set up Bible studies with them. When I called he was deep in the woods cutting wood and will call back tomorrow with a time that works for them. Everything Brady has said indicates to me that the Lord is leading them. He purchased an old woodburning cook stove the other day and is restoring it. I don't know if he realizes it or not that he may need that in the near future.

    I solicite your prayers for Brandy and (we''ll call her) Rhonda. The Lord knows who you are praying for. I am impressed that never was there such a good interest in all my years of canvassing. No doubt recent world events have helped this along. In certain ways, I think  there will be a sense of loss when this world is all over, in that never will there again be a vital time in terms of reaching souls for eternity.

Another couple I have been very impressed to have those willing to pray for is John and Patti.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 09, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
I worked out of town this week and returned this evening. Though election day and  Wednesday were not productive do to a lack of finding people at home,... Sunday, Monday, Thursday and Friday afternoon was richly blessed of the Lord in terms of placing books. I was privileged to take out a new prospective Le part of the week. 91 volumes of books were sold and  60 pieces of free literature were given out. The first day my son and I went out and sold books to a lady we stopped to ask directions from. Over $3,000 in books were placed and one home was that of a Jehovah Witness who purchased the Great Controversy and a Bedtime Story maga book. Being able to give a JW let a lone sell them a book is almost as rare as hen's teeth. Considering Michigan has about the worst economy in the US it is significant to me that 11 0f 12 families purchased books running from $10- $600 per family   Please pray that the people will read the books and follow the truth.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Agatha on November 10, 2008, 08:13:01 AM
I worked out of town this week and returned this evening. Though election day and  Wednesday were not productive do to a lack of finding people at home,... Sunday, Monday, Thursday and Friday afternoon was richly blessed of the Lord in terms of placing books. I was privileged to take out a new prospective Le part of the week. 91 volumes of books were sold and  60 pieces of free literature were given out. The first day my son and I went out and sold books to a lady we stopped to ask directions from. Over $3,000 in books were placed and one home was that of a Jehovah Witness who purchased the Great Controversy and a Bedtime Story mega book. Being able to give a JW let a lone sell them a book is almost as rare as hen's teeth. Considering Michigan has about the worst economy in the US it is significant to me that 11 0f 12 families purchased books running from $10- $600 per family   Please pray that the people will read the books and follow the truth.

This is nothing short of all of heaven moving to reach those searching hearts! Praise the Lord and God bless you, Cp!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Pamela Adams on November 10, 2008, 11:46:06 AM
Cp.....you have been a faithful worker ....it takes very special folks to do the door to door work.....I know how it was, when my husband was working at it before he became ill.......especially in these times with the economy.

The Lord is opening doors.......as you have been knocking on them.......may God continue to Bless You and Keep You....and your family.

P.S. ...........that goes for Newbie too....................................
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 10, 2008, 01:36:31 PM
Thank you ladies for your encouragement. Now the REAL weather is here. Last week was like summer at 70 degrees and today we have a foot of snow.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on November 10, 2008, 08:40:55 PM
Thank you ladies for your encouragement. Now the REAL weather is here. Last week was like summer at 70 degrees and today we have a foot of snow.

Did you get snowshoes yet?  :-D We stopped at a new sports store today and found some for under $100 which is the cheapest I've ever seen for new. Still out of price range for the moment, but more do-able than what I've previously priced.

If we lived closer my husband would be begging to learn door-to-door work from you. Your contacts, as well as you are in our prayers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Deborah Risinger on November 11, 2008, 07:38:17 AM
Colporter.... LEs' are a called people...thank you for taking the job God called you to do !

God's Blessings'
Deborah   :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 11, 2008, 08:19:18 AM
Reaching and Deborah;

May God be glorified and his people saved.

No snowshoes yet but we have friends in the church who will loan us a couple of pair. The shoes are like new and little used. In the mean time I will keep my eyes open for bargains. Someone mentioned that the best bargain would be off season  at winter resorts who wish to update their shoes.

Last week I was wishing to head home Thursday night after a very productive but tiring week. What seemed like a good interest said that the only time she could see me was Friday at 1:00 pm. I set up the appointment and stayed over. I arrived at the scheduled time. It was a very nice home on the bay of Lake Michigan. The mother and former school teacher and now home schooler invited me in and explained that they were temporarily living in the home while building a new house.  I noticed she had a ring with a diamond almost the size of a pea so it was evident that they had funds to work with. They have a 10 year old son who is dyslexic. The couple are currently searching for a Bible based church and though they consider themselves non denominational they are trying to educate their boy and raise him up to the level that he could enter Catholic school. The mother said she is not crazy about the "Catholic" school idea but that is the direction they have been heading. This mother, oh, probably in her 50's was so kind and open to every suggestion. As is often the situation we ended up in a couple of brief Bible studies one on Rev. 13:11 and 18 with the beast like a lamb and the Catholic beast identified under Vicarivs Filii Dei. Her husband called three times during the canvass wishing to divert her from buying books. I closed with 3 sets of books. She said that she would have to talk it over with her husband. I dropped down to the Bible Stories with the Great Controversy and offering her two other free books from the library for free. Though I half expected her to choose two more books and then reply that she would still have to talk it over with her husband she chose Bible Readings and Patriarchs and Prophets and put it on her visa. She said, "It will be a Christmas surprise!"  :-D  I believe she and her husband have an arrangement where she buys what she wants and her husband tries to curb her investments.  :-D


At another home my fellow Le and I visited with the mother at the door. She was very interested but wished us to stand out on the deck and show her the books. She was 8 months pregnant but was willing to stand outside and the evening was warm. After a bit she invited us inside and said she wished her husband was home. About that time Solomon arrived home. He showed even more interest in the books than his wife and mother. Though the canvass was very disconnected do to various circumstances, Solomon and his wife purchased the Bible Stories and Bible Readings. As we were also canvassing Solomon's mother, as I was doing the paper work, she chose the Bedtime Stories and Great Controversy.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 12, 2008, 07:23:48 AM
We canvassed a mother who lived in a big white house on twenty acres. She is a single parent with four black boys two of which are teens. One big sharp looking but stoic boy picked up the Bible readings after I mentioned the part about being a good mother. He said with a dry sense of humor, "I'm gonna read that part mom and show you where you went wrong." Everybody chuckled. She purchased 5 magabooks which included Bible Readings and the Great Controversy.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 18, 2008, 08:36:43 PM
We are living at a time when the message is going with power, even here in the US. I have been observing such with increased interest among the people. Tonight I canvassed a mother living in a very nice home. She sounded somewhat impatient during the canvass and asked for the price of the books early on. I delayed her just a bit on the price and began to talk about prophecy. Her attitude seemed to totally change as her interest was very much in that direction. Before long we were into her Bible with Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Her father who had just returned from deer hunting in full garb and black camo on his face joined in. It began to come back to her that she did a study with SDAs years ago. The canvass went with power and one could see that the Holy Spirit was bringing light to her as she understood very well. They home church with 20 people in their home each week and left their former church because of all the contemporary garble. They were happy to hear that I did not believe in the rapture. They believe in baptism by immersion. She is a counselor and her husband an engineer. Though they lived in a high $$ home they are strapped as is the situation with so many. She purchased 6 magabooks which included the Great Controversy and Bible Readings. She asked that I would either study with them or send them some studies to do with their group on prophecy. She gave me her phone number and email address. What impressed me was the degree of interest of both she and her father and the extent to which she seemed to comprehend it all. Some of these folks while they do not have the depth of knowledge we do there minds are trained along a similar direction so when we study with them or when they read our literature they are on the same track with it and accept the truth. I left a magazine on the Sabbath and she was very interested in the subject.

Previous to this visit I canvassed a mother who is a part time school teacher. There was indication that she was living with her Catholic boyfriend but she did not verify that for sure and it was not appropriate to pry. She said that Presbyterians believe that everything is relevant. Shge said, "It's what you believe that's truth."  I asked her , "what if someone believes its ok to kill someone?"  She answered, " but no religions believe its ok to kill." I asked her if she was familiar with the dark ages when the papacy killed millions in the name of God?" I don't think she knew anything about the dark ages. I was simply trying to help her see that this relativism she believes in is dangerous. She seemed way out of touch so I shortened everything up, left some free lit and offered prayer leaving her tenderly challenged but thankful for the gifts, prayer, and visit.
 
    One can see lines being drawn like never before both good and disappointing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 18, 2008, 10:07:47 PM
Great work Cp....   :-)

we all need encouragement at these times... 

sometimes persistence pays off and you can really turn a canvass around with a little help from the Holy spirit watering the seeds you are planting.

newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on November 18, 2008, 10:46:57 PM
Cp, I believe that what you are seeing is a small sample of folks who are out there and are ready to listen to the truth. God is preparing hearts and minds. Praise God!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 19, 2008, 08:20:35 AM

we all need encouragement at these times... 

sometimes persistence pays off and you can really turn a canvass around with a little help from the Holy spirit watering the seeds you are planting.

newbie

I have found that when we are witnessing it is only a matter of time before we see great things happen. While there may be dry spells it is just a matter of keeping on. When things look dreary the next great experience is just around the corner waiting to happen. Oh, how so many of our people are missing out.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 19, 2008, 08:23:41 AM
Cp, I believe that what you are seeing is a small sample of folks who are out there and are ready to listen to the truth. God is preparing hearts and minds. Praise God!!

Yes, Larry, I believe the best is yet to come in terms of our witnessing. It is the most vital crucial period in the history of humantiy in terms of the importance and magnitude of the work of the people of God. While the faithful will ever give their testimony in heaven to unfallen worlds, unlike today, it will not be for eternal life or death for those who listen.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on November 19, 2008, 10:53:06 AM
... eternal life or death...

A bit off topic, but then not really... Adventist Frontier Missions (AFM) has a great DVD called "His Passion...Our Mission" on which there is a tear jerking talk by a missionary who also makes the statement "this generation is the only generation that can reach this generation." If we don't do it they will be lost for eternity, we can't wait for someone else to do it for us. We all need to be about our Father's business.

God Bless.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 19, 2008, 12:28:43 PM
A bit off topic, but then not really... Adventist Frontier Missions (AFM) has a great DVD called "His Passion...Our Mission" on which there is a tear jerking talk by a missionary who also makes the statement "this generation is the only generation that can reach this generation." If we don't do it they will be lost for eternity, we can't wait for someone else to do it for us. We all need to be about our Father's business.

God Bless.

I have been thinking of putting together a sermon on Esther. God's people were going to be destroyed. Esther, symbolic of the true church, was afraid to go in an speak for her people because it was dangerous and risky for her. Mordecai, a type of Christ, said to her ch. 4 verse 13.... " Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king's house, more than all the Jews." Vs 14 " For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou are come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

If we hold our peace because to do otherwise is inconvenient or uncomfortable the deliverance of some of God's people will still come but "from another place" but we shall suffer the loss. We are told in the SOP that while the deliverance of some will come anyway, as r4h said, many will not be delivered at all or they will be delivered into the hands of Haman.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 19, 2008, 01:46:43 PM
God does not change....

The message has not changed....

So what is the problem?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on November 19, 2008, 03:33:12 PM
God does not change....

The message has not changed....

So what is the problem?

God is not the problem.

The message is not the problem.

The problem must be the messenger....doubt, unbelief, not knowing where or how to begin, not understanding the importance of the hour, asleep...?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on November 19, 2008, 06:58:50 PM
Last Sabbath the sermon was given at our little church by a literature evangelist, who stepped in at the last minute because the scheduled pastor had to cancel.

It was such a blessing. I will try and recount his story with some accuraccy.

He told of one day that he was training a wanna-be L.E., and they had pledged to God they would work until 9 p.m. that night.  But things kept happening to get in their way and keep them from doing many visits...odd things, like him getting a terrible headache (which was very unusual). 

It was decided that Satan was trying to keep them from going forward, so they pressed on.  About 8:53 p.m. the trainee said that since they were at a good stopping plalce, that they should call it a night.  But, no, the L.E. said they needed to go till 9. 

The next house they came to happended to be the home of a Pentecostal Baptist minister.  They were invited in and the couple bought some books, and they spent some profitable time together.

A week later the trainee delivered the books that were ordered, and the minister told him that the night before their first visit he had dreamt that two men would come to his door, and he believed they were the men. 

The story was much more dramatic and touching than I can remember, but the point is that if you are about your Father's business, God will even give people dreams!


Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 19, 2008, 07:31:58 PM
That's a great story, Vicki ! It reminds me a little of the story told by veteran LE and canvassing leader, George Droenan. He took the Conference president from South Dakota out canvassing one day years ago. He was hoping to make a good impression upon the president so that he would support the canvassing work. They were canvassing a man that seemed uninterested in anything they had to share until George pulled out Daniel and Revelation. As George was showing the book the man put his hands on his head and said "wait a minute...wait a minute"! " It's all coming back now. Last night I dreamed that two men would come to my door with the books you have in your hand. I was to buy those books." He bought the books. Before they left George said, "tell us again about your dream." The man repeated, " I saw you come to my home with these books. You were in the dream showing me the books." As he looked over at the conference president he continued, "you were in the dream too. You were watching as he showed me the books."
    After that the conference president more or less gave George whatever he asked for in terms of support.


I had an experience with a young mother having a dream though it was less dynamic than the story I just shared. At the close of my canvass the mother purchased the books. I said the books would be coming UPS. The mother responded, "I had a dream last night that soon I would be receiving something UPS. I have been wondering all day what would be coming UPS and now I know."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 19, 2008, 09:02:25 PM
My partner and I knocked on this door and waited and a really rough looking man came to the door and in my mind I thought this was going to be a tough sell.  But the man was thrilled that we came and wanted us to pray for him and he wanted to just talk about the Lord and didn't want to stop.  We spent a good hour with him and then moved on.

Later in the week he spotted us in another location and gave us $ for our books. 

Then about a week later he happened to see us again.  My partner was talking to another lady that came over and wanted to keep sharing and this man confided some very interesting things to me.  He said that on the day we came to his house he was on his knees praying to the Lord.  He was either going to take his life or go back to using drugs unless the Lord would send some one to show that He cared.  At that very moment we just happened to knock on his door. 

He turned out to be a sweetheart of a man but has a very rugged look.  First appearances can be wrong.... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 20, 2008, 07:57:56 AM
Wow, Newbie ! You should print that story up and put it on file. Obviously the Lord kept bringing you together.



It is intertesting that whenever we share stories other experiences come to mind.

I was working door to door in Fairmont, Minnesota years ago on a hot, saltery summer evening. It was just before 9:00 p.m. and I thought to go home and not knock on the last door on the street. Something told me to finish out the block so I knocked. No answer. I knocked again. No answer. As I began to walk away I wasn't for sure but thought I heard a high pitched voice so I turned back and knocked a third time. Then I heard the voice again, a faint high pitched voice crying, help!   I went inside to find an old lady laying on the floor. She said that she tripped over the cat but I found that she had a stoke and could not move. Her speech was not clear. She asked me to call one of her children. They were there shortly. I left a book and was off as they thanked me with much appreciation for being there. Had I not been there she would probably have either laid there all night or died from the heat.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 20, 2008, 08:10:49 AM
My second door to door experience many years ago was with a man that looked like someone you would not wish to tangle with. like he might want to tear my head off. He hesitantly invited me in and it turned into a powerful experience. John purchased $500 in books and we have been good friends ever since though we have lost contact.

How often we evaluate a book by its cover. An LE that I went with when beginning the work was VERY short, bald and looked like a mongoloid though he was not. I am sure he had this to deal with at the doors. People tend to look past much of this once they get to know you but until then things like this can be a hindrance. Fortunately the Lord can override these things if we are seeking him and before His people. This is why we should be as meticulous (not fancy or showy) as possible in our dress and appearance.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 20, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
Cp,

Maybe I've already told this one or maybe it was from Cp I can't remember, but since everything was wiped out maybe it is worth telling again.  Many people feel that they are not qualified to go forth... I would suggest they read Jeremiah ch. 1 and Exodus ch. 4. 

Years ago there was a meeting in the state of all the LEs for encouragement and fellowship.  All LEs were surprised to hear that the top seller in their state was a little man that could not read.  (We are told to know all of our books well so that we can speak fluently about them on any issue.)  All this little man would do is to introduce himself and to open up a book and tell the people to read...  he would put the books in their hands and tell them to READ..  and they did... and he sold books and more books and out sold anyone else.  All the other LEs were humbled.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 20, 2008, 12:26:27 PM
Yes, that came from yours truly, not that it matters. SOP says that everyone is called. Some are called into full scale LE work ( I believe hundreds of thousands more than have accepted the call) and all believers have been called to spread our literature. Mrs. White clearly states that not all are called into full scale LE work but she just as clearly states that we are all called to scatter our literature.

Every Believer to Help.- Let every believer scatter broadcast tracts and leaflets and books containing the message for this time. We need colporteurs, who will go forth to circulate our publications everywhere.- Review and Herald, Nov. 12,1903 Colporteur Ministry p. 21

I think too many of our people would choose to think there is some magical qualification for doing LE work when one of the most vital qualifications is to simply be willing to put one foot ahead of the other and have some books in hand. If a donkey can talk so can I. Few of us have ever and I fear "will" every place ourselves in a position to really see what God can do through weak willing clay. It is not too late to redeem the time.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 23, 2008, 10:09:12 PM
I had an interesting, challenging, and some would call it a tough day in the field. I ran some accounts today where folks have not paid for their books. One family over an hour's drive from my home had not sent any payments after four months and no indication of doing so. Since I could not make phone contact I sent them a letter. I received a nice response that they hoped to be able to send payment but nothing has arrived for some time and no more letters since. I decided to route my way over there and stop at a home on the way where an elderly lady  purchased Bible Readings, Triumph of God's Love, and Desire of ages but  stopped making payments after faithfully making 8 of the 12  payments. She was not home so I went to the home of the young couple another 30 miles away who had paid nothing more than a very small down payment when they purchased their set. They were not home either. I parked on the shoulder of the road not far from their drive and waited for a lengthy period of time thinking they must arrive home sometime. I made some phone calls, sorted cards, and just had some quiet time. Finally as they had not returned I went into the small near by town, ate my lunch and left some literature on the doors of a couple of Churches and a brochure on the door of the Christian school. There I lost my cell phone. Miraculously after back tracking and looking several places it appeared in the snowy parking lot of the Christian school in perfect condition. I was beginning to think that my day was not doing well but didn't konw the half of it.

I returned to the home in the country again to find still no one home. Again I parked a ways away along the road. A neighbor in his forties stopped and  asked what I was doing. He said my parking along the road made his wife nervous. He gave me the third degree and said it was odd that I sat so long along the road. i explained that I could not reach the family by phone and needed to visit with them and was waiting for their return home. The man wanted every detail of which some I did not offer as it is not legal to share information about other people's bills. The man was very agitated as he said I should not be out working on Sunday. Then he continued in much frustration that he just returned from a relative's home who shot a deer on SUNDAY! He went on and on. Finally I replied with a question, "Do you know which day is the Sabbath?" He said, "six days are we to labor but the seventh day is the Sabbath." Again I asked, Do you know which day is the Sabbath?" He answered, "yes, Sunday." I said, "the Sabbath is Saturday?" He looked at me funny. I said, "ask you pastor, you need to get your facts straight, sir." He asked if I was JW after he almost said, Mormon. I said of course I was not as they are Sunday keepers. He asked what church I attended. When I told him he didn't show any reaction. I asked him what he was and he said Baptist. He then said, "well, we should be doing what everybody else does, we should keep the laws of the land." I answered, not when they violate the law of God, the ten commandments." He dropped the topic and found fault with my work methods though he did soften and say I deserved to be paid for my books. I have run into this a few times where people try to police their area.

    It did not strike me as being totally strange that he was militant on Sunday. A few folks are that way. What I found interesting was that he said we should keep the law of the land. Last I heard Sunday was still not the law of the land, YET!  Not officially.
   I believe this man in his ignorance was echoing Satan's words in almost a prophetic manner

Finally I left to head home as the people had still not returned. As I was in deep thought I came over ahill and inot a tight curve that was icy and I was going way too fast. I tried my best and echoed a "help Lord". I don't think Richard Petty could have made the curve. I dropped over an eight foot ditch inot heavy snow and thought I might roll but didn't. A very nice fellow stopped and we called the wrecker. We had a nice talk while we waited for the wrecker and I left the man some literature. Then the wrecker showed and 30 minutes and $110.00 later I was out after leaving some literature with the driver of the Happy Hooker. I am normally an excellent driver but this time I really blew it. Fortunately no damage to my vehicle. The police arrived and I wondered if the irritated man I talked to had called them. Fortunately not so, so I did not have to explain anything.  I stopped once more at the house but no one home so I decided to put an end to a tough day.

    No collections, 150 miles of driving, an angry neighbor, and a pull and bill from the wrecker  and I finally  arrived a
home at 10:30 p.m.
   

These are the days that make some of the others that much sweeter.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 24, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Cp,
A few thoughts come to my mind after reading about your day/night:

         - a reminder from Satan that he is not going to make our jobs easy

         - he loves to throw dirt in our faces or snow balls our way

         - you are home and safe and passed the test of patience and stood firm on the Rock

          I'm reminded that we are to count it all joy when in trials and rejoice always int he Lord.  Hard to do but maybe things could have been much worse and God's hand was in it all the way actually protecting you from Satan's plan for your life.  Think about it...

newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 24, 2008, 09:37:38 AM
We canvassed a home on a warm summer day....  as we approached the winding walk to the front door the owner had just let his dog out.  The dog was not tied up and just walked around sniffing here and there at the bushes and trees and ignored us.  The front windows were open and on a table was a doggie pillow and a dog there looking at us.  I happened to spot a sign on the garage door saying something like 'beware of Italian greyhounds'.  Interesting.....

The owner spotted us and we greeted him ...  As he was letting us into the home he made a comment that I remember today.  "That's strange, my dogs always attack strangers and bark like crazy but they did nothing." 

The owner gave me a treat for the dogs and instructed me how to give it to them and I did so.  He invited us into the family room and as soon as I sat down on this very comfortable lounge chair both dogs jumped up on me and I had two Italian greyhounds on my lap and body.  I was petting them the whole time we talked and shared bible scripture. 

My partner got into some heavy scriptures and the man read them out of his own bible but I could see that he did not understand what he was reading.  He shared some thoughts/opinions that he had learned from the history channel and discovery channel.  Oy... but we listened and I kept the dogs happy.

 It was a lovely visit and we left bible studies for him and a book.  We were there almost an hour.  It is always nice to have visits like this in contrast to the ones that are cold...  The dogs and I are friends for life!   Nina and Mario were their names and if their response to us helped the owner listen to us and to read the materials then it was all worth it.

newbie
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on November 24, 2008, 10:04:31 AM
I'm reminded that we are to count it all joy when in trials and rejoice always int he Lord.  Hard to do but maybe things could have been much worse and God's hand was in it all the way actually protecting you from Satan's plan for your life.  Think about it...

I don't think I've ever heard a sermon based on that. In a former church during prayer & praise I requested prayer for patience and was jokingly told not to pray for that because I would get more trials. Hmmm....if it takes trials to develop patience I'd rather have trials and learn to deal with them properly than have a character defect. To rejoice in difficulties is something that seems impossible - a change of mindset is needed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 24, 2008, 01:45:02 PM


          I'm reminded that we are to count it all joy when in trials and rejoice always int he Lord.  Hard to do but maybe things could have been much worse and God's hand was in it all the way actually protecting you from Satan's plan for your life.  Think about it...

newbie

Oh yes, all things considered I am thankful. A hairy ride ( I don't use that word lightly) and no damage. I believe God turned the accident around as the man that picked me up was out of the ordinary in a good way. He was not an angel (smoking) but had the personality of one.

Isn't it nice to have a dog (lion) tamer at your side while canvassing ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on November 24, 2008, 02:26:44 PM
Oh yes, all things considered I am thankful. A hairy ride ( I don't use that word lightly) and no damage. I believe God turned the accident around as the man that picked me up was out of the ordinary in a good way. He was not an angel (smoking) but had the personality of one.

Isn't it nice to have a dog (lion) tamer at your side while canvassing ?
Would it show a lack of faith to carry a little cannister of pepper spray?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on November 24, 2008, 04:56:48 PM
Would it show a lack of faith to carry a little cannister of pepper spray?

I would imagine it would not be productive in reaching a soul if Fido was peppered...  :-D

                                                              :puppy:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 24, 2008, 05:48:32 PM
I would imagine it would not be productive in reaching a soul if Fido was peppered...  :-D

 :puppy:

True, it is kind of like slapping their kid although when mother and father are not home or not looking who is to know ? Talking about the mean dog not bratty the kid.

This would probably not work with a real attack dog but for those sneaky ones that want to nip your calf a quick snap upward of the heal when the mut is a bout a foot behind you and in persuit is very effective. The owner is not savy to what you are doing and it generally catches the dog totally by surprise rattling his jaw and giving a whiplash like effect. It is a great detourent that I have used more than once.

   I like dogs but I get great satisfaction from showing them I'm not as pushover when the opportunity presents itself. My tolerance of mean dogs is not high especially when I have the freedom to defend myself without offending the owner.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 24, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
Would it show a lack of faith to carry a little cannister of pepper spray?

I'd probably get the nozzle turned around and spray myself....

 So far, I can say we have been well protected by some unseen force as we have not had much trouble at all but some scary moments but all turned out well.  I have lots of dog stories.... I will post from time to time. :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on November 24, 2008, 07:56:44 PM
Maybe you two should put your heads together, compile some stories and write a book. It might well encourage others to get into the field. Call the book editor at Pacific Press and run it by him. He will ask you a few questions and give you a hint as to whether you should pursue it. I'm serious. I think it would be appreciated and would sell.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on November 25, 2008, 07:50:48 AM
I'd probably get the nozzle turned around and spray myself....

 So far, I can say we have been well protected by some unseen force as we have not had much trouble at all but some scary moments but all turned out well.  I have lots of dog stories.... I will post from time to time. :-)

LOL !!!  :-D :-D :-D That would defintely ruin the canvass.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on December 15, 2008, 07:36:46 AM
Canvassed a lady last night who is a Bible Methodist. They are a group who apparently are much closer to the standards of the early Methodists, no dancing, women in dresses, etc.. They sound like in some ways a good role  model for SDAs. The lady said that the pastor is seeking to keep Sunday the was that the Sabbath ought to be kept. She also said that they are looking more closely at the Saturday Sabbath. We had a nice study and I left her some literature and had prayer. She had tears in her eyes following the prayer.

A friend of ours tells of a Lutheran pastor that another SDA friend visited with. The pastor said that he knows the Sabbath is right but if he preached it he would lose his congregation.

Probably the strangest canvass I have ever had is when while I was canvassing a couple they said their pastor was on his way over. Great, I thought. I like to canvass pastors but typically not on the tale of a canvass with one of their parishioners. But what could I do but continue. Soon there was knock on the door. The lady crossed the room, let the young black pastor in and visited with him in the entry about 20 feet from where I sat.The light was not good and it was evening. I continued to speak with her husband trying to keep one ear open to the conversation between the pastor and the lady. Then I heard the most startling words, " I used to sell those books!" My first thought was "apostate adventist." And then, "would he turn the people away from the books."  I could not hear anymore and shortly he left. Now I was really curious. I visited about the Sabbath with the couple. They said, " yes the pastor has been teaching us all about the Sabbath. Then I turned to the state of the dead. Again the couple responded the same and the same with the sanctuary. Then the couple shared that their previous pastor left and this pastor was filling in for now. I affirmed what apparently the man was teaching the people and they purchased the books. The couple also commented that the "pastor" did not teach everybody these things as they might not understand. VERY interesting. To this day I don't know if this man split off the church, if he is some kind of college lay pastor selectively teaching some of the members as he has been allowed to pastor in the local non SDA church, or if he was an angel. It seemed just too strange.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on December 18, 2008, 08:59:50 PM
Tonight I canvassed a man named Richard. He is a Baptist man who signed up for my drawing at the fair. He marked an interest in several things but put down is P.O. box for an address. I called several times to try to set up an appointment and get his physical address but every time I received one of those dreaded recordings that sound like a robot talking. I finally came to the conclusion that Richard was screening his calls and was not going to pick up the phone. For some reason I decided to call again today and while I was leaving a message he picked up the phone. We set up an appointment for late this afternoon. I canvassed Richard in his appartment. He is diabetic and had surgery on both feet. He explained that he is a contractor. One day his wife turned homosexaul and left him for her friend. Then she took him to court and the judge gave her everything but the huge credit card bills that the two ladies ran up and she also left her 5 children. She took the large log home, the horse ranch, and according to Richard everything of value.
    As I was canvassing Richard his elderly mother, Shirley stopped by. she was a nice as he. We ended up in a Bible study and the entire visit lasted about 3 hours. They loved the books but are struggling financially. They were also interested in health and have removed all pork from their diet. Shirley purchased 12 magabooks and put it on her Visa. When I finished with prayer they were both touched and Shirley had tears in her eyes. How often we see that and are told in the SOP that when we pray in the home the family is never the same after that. I began with Desire of Ages, Great Controversy, and Bible Readings, then added 4 of the magabooks for children, then Ministry of Healing magabook, Health Power, and Medical Handbook, followed by Seven Secrets Cookbook,  and finally the Left Behind magabook by SDA pastor Louis Torres. Oh, they were sweet people! Had Shirley not stopped by there would have been no purchase as Richard has nothing right now. The Lord's providence was at work again.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 19, 2008, 07:49:15 AM
This is such a sad story....   but there is a ray of hope if they read the books and learn the truth and come to the Lord.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on December 19, 2008, 09:08:52 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 18, 2009, 08:42:29 PM
I just came home from canvassing an hour ago.  In the first home I canvassed the couple were grandparents with 19 grandchildren. The husband is a Free Mason. They have been floating around to different churches and were sensitive about people that put down other churches so I stayed away from prophecy and such and focussed on moral issues and the needs of the children today. They were interesting in that in some respects they seemed worldly but in others they had a moral tone and seemd to care very much for their family. They purchased a 17 volume library which included the Great Controversy. I interest came from an LE working her fair down state. The lead was too far for her to run so she mailed it to me.

     The second canvass was with an Assembly of God man studying to be a pastor. He and his wife are going through a divorce and she is into witchcraft. He and I had a nice Bible study. He was flat broke but I left him some good literature and we talked about the state of the dead, health,  the Sabbath, and Rev. 13:11. He has tears in his eyes when I finshed offering a prayer.

    It was a long day with 10 inches of snow to scoop from yesterday and over 200 for the season thus far. Then after hauling wood and several other chores it was on the road. Some of the roads they did not even plow today so I took the 4WD. Ready for zzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on January 19, 2009, 06:03:46 AM
 :-) I always enjoy hearing about the canvasses and send up a prayer for the people.

 :shh: Type quietly this morning, everyone....   :snooze:

"The sleep of a labouring man is sweet" Ecc 5:12
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Dalfie on January 19, 2009, 07:45:18 AM
Then I heard the most startling words, " I used to sell those books!" My first thought was "apostate adventist." And then, "would he turn the people away from the books."  I could not hear anymore and shortly he left. Now I was really curious. I visited about the Sabbath with the couple. They said, " yes the pastor has been teaching us all about the Sabbath. Then I turned to the state of the dead. Again the couple responded the same and the same with the sanctuary. Then the couple shared that their previous pastor left and this pastor was filling in for now. I affirmed what apparently the man was teaching the people and they purchased the books. The couple also commented that the "pastor" did not teach everybody these things as they might not understand. VERY interesting. To this day I don't know if this man split off the church, if he is some kind of college lay pastor selectively teaching some of the members as he has been allowed to pastor in the local non SDA church, or if he was an angel. It seemed just too strange.

In a city near here, a sunday-keeping congregation (either baptist or community congregation) needed a pastor, so they put an advertisement in the newspaper for one. One of our friends, a lay member, answered the ad. Amazingly, the church hired him! They kept him for 2 months, I think it was, before they decided to fire him for the "Adventist" doctrines he was preaching every Sunday morning!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on January 19, 2009, 08:09:19 AM
In a city near here, a sunday-keeping congregation (either baptist or community congregation) needed a pastor, so they put an advertisement in the newspaper for one. One of our friends, a lay member, answered the ad. Amazingly, the church hired him! They kept him for 2 months, I think it was, before they decided to fire him for the "Adventist" doctrines he was preaching every Sunday morning!

...those "Adventist" doctrines which couldn't be disproved using the Bible. Sad situation people place themselves in when they choose not to follow the Bible. But, a seed was planted that may germinate & grow later.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 21, 2009, 08:48:06 AM
 
An LE was canvassing a mother. The mother said her child didn't seem inclined toward spiritual things. When the experienced LE went through the Bible Stories giving appeals,.... to the mothers amazement her 11 year old boy  knelt down and placed his elbows on a chair in the corner of the room, folded his hands and started to silently pray. The LE whispered in a soft tone to the mother, " look what is happening over there." She bought the books.
 
I was canvassing a young mother in a old weather worn home one day. Several times her polite 12 year old boy interupted me with a question. Those questions seemed far beyond his age. At one point he said, " Sir, tell me, who is the anti- Christ ? Some people say it is the Catholic church. "
   The mother purchased the books only to cancel the order the next day.., probably the father did not go for it when he came home and found out. I mailed a paperback Great Controversy to the boy. Satan may have won the battle but I believe he lost the war in that home.

I pulled one of my free drawing boxes for a family Bible this week in a grocery store in a small town near home. I received 104 cards. 40 were well marked requesting information on our books. A 4 year old boy had filled out the card and won the Bible. It was a neat picture with the two store managers presenting the Bible to the little boy and his father.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 21, 2009, 08:50:57 AM
Pastor, Elder, and long time LE George Droenen tells of the time he took the conference president for South Dakota out canvassing with him. They knocked on the door of a home and a man in his late fifties invited them in. George canvassed the man while the president looked on. The man he was canvassing showed no interest in anything George showed him. Finally George took the book  " The Revelation" by M. Maxwell out of his case and began to show the book while paging through it. All of the sudden the man closed his eyes, put both hands on his head as though thinking intensely and said very loudly, "wait a minute" "wait a minute", " It's all coming back to me now." "I saw you in a dream last night.... and you had that book in your hand." Then he repeated the statement and said, "I saw you in a dream last night showing me this book" and as he turned and looked at the conference president he continued, " and you were watching off to the side as he showed me this book." " I know I need to buy this book."   Needless th say the conference president was energized by the experience and told George he would make sure funding was provided for whatever was needed for the canvassing program.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Agatha on January 21, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
Wow wee! What a fabulous testimony! Thanks, Colporteur! The harvest IS ripe!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: kayyak on January 21, 2009, 12:40:29 PM
Back in 1976 I wasn't a baptized SDA yet but I believed the message.  My husband and I lived in Maine and hubby was in real estate.  Two couples (family) from the Midwest somewhere, came and put a deposit on some acreage, and before they went to the airport; I gave each couple a book. The Great Controversy and Desire of Ages.   A couple of months later they called and asked for their deposit to be refunded.  They said that they had read the books on the plane, that they were going to be baptized into SDA and wanted to stay in their area so that they could witness to their family and friends.  They didn't know they were SDA books but I guess they found out somehow.  I was amazed to hear that story.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 21, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
Back in 1976 I wasn't a baptized SDA yet but I believed the message.  My husband and I lived in Maine and hubby was in real estate.  Two couples (family) from the Midwest somewhere, came and put a deposit on some acreage, and before they went to the airport; I gave each couple a book. The Great Controversy and Desire of Ages.   A couple of months later they called and asked for their deposit to be refunded.  They said that they had read the books on the plane, that they were going to be baptized into SDA and wanted to stay in their area so that they could witness to their family and friends.  They didn't know they were SDA books but I guess they found out somehow.  I was amazed to hear that story.

  :-D Praise the Lord ! That's the kind of feed back one loves to hear isn't it?  Our people need to pray that the folks read our books. The enemy has a thousand methods to divert the attention. The plane is an excellant place for people to read our books. I often leave books on the plane when I fly and in airports.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 21, 2009, 03:49:23 PM
  :-D Praise the Lord ! That's the kind of feed back one loves to hear isn't it?  Our people need to pray that the folks read our books. The enemy has a thousand methods to divert the attention. The plane is an excellant place for people to read our books. I often leave books on the plane when I fly and in airports.

this sooooo fits your picture I couldn't help emphasize it....   :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 21, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
Our church bought a case of books for witnessing that someone saw promoted on TV. It is by Shawn Boonstra. "The Sign" is the title. Has anyone seen it or read it? Do people read and respond to books like this. It seems as though every ministry puts out similar witnessing books. I would like to have some idea of which ones are most likely to most effective. Is there any way of knowing?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 22, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
this sooooo fits your picture I couldn't help emphasize it....   :-D

Do you think there is a subliminal thing going on here ?  :wink:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 22, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
Do you think there is a subliminal thing going on here ?  :wink:

yes, 2 thes 4:16-18
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 22, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
Our church bought a case of books for witnessing that someone saw promoted on TV. It is by Shawn Boonstra. "The Sign" is the title. Has anyone seen it or read it? Do people read and respond to books like this. It seems as though every ministry puts out similar witnessing books. I would like to have some idea of which ones are most likely to most effective. Is there any way of knowing?

I have not seen the book.  God will even make a donkey to talk if necessary. Personally, I don't think we can beat the "Great Controversy." Everyone has a book these days.  Probably most of the books our more faithful ministries put out will reach people. I would read the book and emphasize it to the extent it impressed me. I was not very impressed with the Ten Commandments Twice Removed as it was obvious one chapter had strong implications toward the celebration movement.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 23, 2009, 12:02:25 AM
I have not seen the book.  God will even make a donkey to talk if necessary. Personally, I don't think we can beat the "Great Controversy." Everyone has a book these days.  Probably most of the books our more faithful ministries put out will reach people. I would read the book and emphasize it to the extent it impressed me. I was not very impressed with the Ten Commandments Twice Removed as it was obvious one chapter had strong implications toward the celebration movement.
I would prefer passing out Great Controversy. The only thing I liked about Ten Commandments Twice Removed  was that the printing didn't look so cheap. I think that is important. The cover of a book often makes the difference whether of not it gets opened or not. And if the cover and binding and paper look cheap it is less likely to stimulate interest. At least that is my theory.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 23, 2009, 07:05:14 AM
I would prefer passing out Great Controversy. The only thing I liked about Ten Commandments Twice Removed  was that the printing didn't look so cheap. I think that is important. The cover of a book often makes the difference whether of not it gets opened or not. And if the cover and binding and paper look cheap it is less likely to stimulate interest. At least that is my theory.

I suppose its a balancing act between quality and quantity. It depends on how many publications we want to put out and how much we are willing to invest. What I like about Project restore literature is that the art work and quality is excellant and the cost low. Of course, since they are similar to Signs of The Times in terms of amount of content, they are not as comprehensive as a Great Controversy but they have a good coverage of the target topic such as the Sabbath, or America in Prophecy. If we have the opportunity in the publications for people to respond and connect with us we can feed them more heavily with the follow up. We are sowing alot of seeds even if we are not always getting out the full Great Controversy. I also like Darkness Before Dawn as it covers the last 10 chapters of the Great Controversy and is about the size of a Steps To Christ. It gets to the point in a hurry. Personally I think the newsprint publications are ok until the pages yellow. Then they look like something you had in the attic for 50 years. Since some of them sit in boxes for years they may be yellow when you get them.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 30, 2009, 07:59:41 AM
I didn't sell any books last night for various reasons but handed out alot of literature and had a Bible study with a couple of families. A  sympathetic middle aged Catholic lady told me at the door that I have a tough job. I replied that I have a great job.... the same job the disciples were given to do.

At another home I had an appointment with a lady in the evening. she changed her mind at the door so I gave her some literature and dialoged a bit. She's probably 60 and has jet black dyed hair that gave her an appearance that was kind of gothic. Some of the time she seemed friendly and the enxt moment she was abrupt. I decided to just quiz her a bit with very calm but curious questions. She offered that she attends a church in town that is really filled with the Holy Spirit. I asked is it was pentecostal. "Oh, yes" she replied. "Do you speak in tongues ?", I continued. "Oh, yes, we have the Holy Spirit" she repeated.  I asked, "does the Holy  Spirit convict the people of sin and lead to repentance?" She stopped and looked at me like I had green skin. The while idea seemed totally foreign to her. Then she spoke, you can just feel the Holy Spirit there." I asked, "what does the Holy Spirit feel like?"  " Oh, like a warm blanket" she said as she wrapped her arms around herself, " and people are falling down all over the place. If god want's you to fall down you fall down."  I replied with a calm voice and a puzzled look, " Why would God want you to fall down?"
   "Well, I got a go," she said as she turned and closed the door. Even though I was extremely subdued I know she sensed that the two spirits were not common to one another.
    While some folks no doubt are ignorantly deceived I believe many  are willingly deceived and when  separating from sin is spoken of  they want no part of it in favor of  warm feelings and miracles.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: kayyak on January 30, 2009, 09:30:21 AM
I don't know about anyone else but if I went to a place where people fall down (and I have, ONCE), I would run for my life.   I guess I am old school, but; I don't see myself with a dress on rolling in the aisles and pew jumping.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 30, 2009, 10:18:02 AM
Cp,
Once they grow to love this feeling of a warm blanket and think this is the Holy Spirit it is most difficult to ever get them out .... 

I wonder why this feeling doesn't follow them through out their entire life daily?
If one was on fire with the Holy spirit wouldn't it be apparent in all walks of life and not just within the church walls?

Interesting conversation and thanks for sharing...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 30, 2009, 08:12:36 PM
Cp,
Once they grow to love this feeling of a warm blanket and think this is the Holy Spirit it is most difficult to ever get them out .... 

I wonder why this feeling doesn't follow them through out their entire life daily?
If one was on fire with the Holy spirit wouldn't it be apparent in all walks of life and not just within the church walls?

Interesting conversation and thanks for sharing...

Yes, it is apparently warm, exciting, and requires little. I am expecting this to break out in places least expected by many...if you know what I mean. J Reynolds Hoffman has some very resourceful, comprehensive, and interesting information about this kind of thing. Unfortunately he studied into this so deeply that he apostatized. I so much appreciate some of his sermons on tongues and counterfeits in the healing arts. I heard he came back to the church but has not the power in his preaching that he once had. There is a danger in studying error too much.

I remember listening to Al and Collette Martin years ago when they came to our church. Their information was all very good and informative but to me it was gloomy as though a dark cloud hung over the church when they were there. Even their music took on the tone of the blues. Even back then when I was real green I wondered if they could spiritually weather constantly going around emphasizing all the darkness Satan is putting forth. For me it was only twice that I heard them but for them this is was an ongoing thing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on January 30, 2009, 11:21:55 PM
In Testimonies Vol 1 Ellen White describes some physical manifestations that came upon her and others during times of prayer and testimony. This was just after her family had been disfellowshipped from their church, and while she was still quite young.

"At times the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me with such power that my strength was taken from me. This was a trial to some who had come out from the formal churches, and remarks were often made that grieved me much. Many could not believe that one could be so over powered by the Spirit of God as to lose all strength.  My position was exceedingly painful."

"...We had appointed prayer meetings in different localities of the city to accomadate all who wished to attend them. The family that had been most forward in opposing me attended one of these. Upon this occasion, while those assembled were engaged in prayer, the Spirit of the Lord came upon the meeting, and one of the members of this family was prostrated as one dead. His relatives stood weeping around him, rubbing his hands and applying restoratives. At length he gained suffiecient strength to praise God and quieted their tears by shouting with triumph over the marked evidence he had received of the power of the Lord upon him. The yong man was unable to return home that night." (1Testimonies pp 44, 45)

These experiences happened a number of times among them. I wonder if there will ever be a repeat of similar experiences among us, and I wonder what the response would be from those around us.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on January 31, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
In Testimonies Vol 1 Ellen White describes some physical manifestations that came upon her and others during times of prayer and testimony. This was just after her family had been disfellowshipped from their church, and while she was still quite young.

"At times the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me with such power that my strength was taken from me. This was a trial to some who had come out from the formal churches, and remarks were often made that grieved me much. Many could not believe that one could be so over powered by the Spirit of God as to lose all strength.  My position was exceedingly painful."

"...We had appointed prayer meetings in different localities of the city to accomadate all who wished to attend them. The family that had been most forward in opposing me attended one of these. Upon this occasion, while those assembled were engaged in prayer, the Spirit of the Lord came upon the meeting, and one of the members of this family was prostrated as one dead. His relatives stood weeping around him, rubbing his hands and applying restoratives. At length he gained suffiecient strength to praise God and quieted their tears by shouting with triumph over the marked evidence he had received of the power of the Lord upon him. The yong man was unable to return home that night." (1Testimonies pp 44, 45)

These experiences happened a number of times among them. I wonder if there will ever be a repeat of similar experiences among us, and I wonder what the response would be from those around us.

If it is accompanied with a counterfeit speaking in tongues, a lack of conviction of sin, and other unscriptural activities and words I hope we will persieve which spirit is at work. Frankly, I don't think it will be real hard to discern what is happening if we carefully apply Isa. 8:20 and patiently observe the fruit of such manifestations. To be honest I would be very cautious about such things. We are called to try the spirits. Prostration may only prove that a supernatural power is at work but this position in itself does not prove which power it is. Falling down is not proof that God is at work or filling someone with His Spirit. This kind of thing would really get my attention but beyond that, other cirtieria comes into play. These types of things never happen in a vacume. I don't think God expects us to accept such things on their own merit alone.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on February 02, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
Last night while canvassing I spent 5 hours studying with non SDAs leading up to and covering the topics of the Sunday law and the Sabbath. We had Bibles open and the people seemed quite open. A black man and his wife from Germany, both in their 60's gave me a donation for the Great Controversy and Bible Readings magabooks. I left them several other pieces of free literature. I prayed on my knees before our Bible study. The couple were quite adamant about how we must keep the 10 commandments and without changing a single word as recorded in the 1611 KJV. When I pointed them to the fourth commandment there was very little resistance. They said they would study this more after I left (10:00 p.m.) and talk about it. Like so many, these folks are adamant about following God's Word but had never really seen the significance of the 7th day and the role it plays in prophecy. When I finished and asked that I offer prayer, Luis said, "and this time we are all getting down on our knees." I was exhausted and had a 90 minute drive home and to bed at midnight but it was worth it. Earlier in the evening a Catholic man who is a contractor but like all contractors in MI. he is struggling financially. He gave me a check for over $800 for a 27 vol. library of books. Another man in his 60's showed an interest in our health books and actually won a "Natural Remedies" book from my drawing in the health food store. He was quite interested to find that I carried spiritual books. We had a very interesting conversation. Our visit was cut short by a couple of phone calls but I left him 5 pieces of literature dealing with health, prophecy, and the Sabbath.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on February 04, 2009, 08:14:14 PM
Canvassed a young maqn and his wife tonight. They said they only had 10 minutes as supper was ready. I left 90 minutes later selling the  Bible readings and leaving some free lit. We had an intensive Bible study. Evey time I made the comment "one more tinh and then I have to go" the man answered with, "no that's ok." His wife was not as impressed but he was all eyes and ears intently looking at the Scriptures and participating. When I offered prayer on my knees at the kitchen table he did the same. When one studies with intensity and power as though it were life and death it rubs off on people.

I picked up some groveries after the visit. Always the clerk asks me how I am doing. I always answer "super fantastic" which usually throws them because no body is doing that good unless they win the lottery. When I leave they say something to the effect, "have a nice day." I smile and answer, "here I was having a super fantasitc day and you ask me to just have a good day."  Sometimes after I reveal I'm having a super fantastic day I ask "how is your day?"  The clerk answers " good", " oh, alright" or "not too bad." When I leave I reply, "I hope your day gets better." It's a very bubbly cheerful dialog from my side.
I have been impressed  for some time that I should tell the clerk why my day is "super fantastic." I have hestiated to do so because of the likely reactions but have been impressed that I should state that it is because Jesus is coming soon that my day is such. Tonight I determined that this will be my new bold witness at the counter so when the clerk asked me how I am doing, i replied, "super fantastic... the Lord is coming soon."  She looked at me with kind of a double take and probably thought with my black suit that I'm  pastor. She made no comment. I continued, "you probably think this guy is crazy."  She replied, "no I don't think anybody is crazy." It should be interesting to see how these people respond from now on. I am thinking that most will not reply with much.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 04, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Cp,
My husband did something similar to a check out lady and this was her response.."Oh no, I'm not ready yet!  I have too much to do."    :wink:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on February 05, 2009, 08:59:52 AM
Cp,
My husband did something similar to a check out lady and this was her response.."Oh no, I'm not ready yet!  I have too much to do."    :wink:

That could be taken two ways but sounds like the clerk was saying something like... I need to eat .,drink, and be merry, because when the Lord comes all the fun is over.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 05, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
That could be taken two ways but sounds like the clerk was saying something like... I need to eat .,drink, and be merry, because when the Lord comes all the fun is over.

Just thought to put that in there so you could be ready with something clever when you get that kind of response. 

Yes, can be taken two ways... I've heard older folk say we need more time because they see that their grandchildren are not ready and want them on board desperately.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Dalfie on February 05, 2009, 12:03:27 PM
Yes, can be taken two ways... I've heard older folk say we need more time because they see that their grandchildren are not ready and want them on board desperately.

That too, can be looked at two ways. While we want more time for our loved ones to turn around, at the same time, it may be that the only thing that will turn them around is the onset of persecution. Sadly, easy living doesn't make much of an impression of a person's need for God. Only God knows what it will take for our loved ones to see (and act on) their need for Him, and I think it is good to be able to consciously let the timing of Jesus' coming be up to God's discretion.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 05, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
That too, can be looked at two ways. While we want more time for our loved ones to turn around, at the same time, it may be that the only thing that will turn them around is the onset of persecution. Sadly, easy living doesn't make much of an impression of a person's need for God. Only God knows what it will take for our loved ones to see (and act on) their need for Him, and I think it is good to be able to consciously let the timing of Jesus' coming be up to God's discretion.
This is so true and others that were on track may get off the track if time continues much longer...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: lily-of-the-field on February 06, 2009, 09:00:13 AM
These experiences happened a number of times among them. I wonder if there will ever be a repeat of similar experiences among us, and I wonder what the response would be from those around us.
Good point, Larry.  Will we fail to recognize the working of the Spirit and call it another spirit?  We are so not used to this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: lily-of-the-field on February 06, 2009, 09:04:02 AM
Cp,
Once they grow to love this feeling of a warm blanket and think this is the Holy Spirit it is most difficult to ever get them out .... 
Newbie, I know of a few of our folks who go to Pentecostal church on Sunday to experience the HS like a warm blanket.  They describe a physical feeling of being embraced by warmth and tingling, of something like a warm wave pass over them and through their hair.  Spooky stuff.  And they go back for more?!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 06, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
Newbie, I know of a few of our folks who go to Pentecostal church on Sunday to experience the HS like a warm blanket.  They describe a physical feeling of being embraced by warmth and tingling, of something like a warm wave pass over them and through their hair.  Spooky stuff.  And they go back for more?!!

We should all take warning!!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: reaching4heaven on February 08, 2009, 08:36:04 AM
Newbie, I know of a few of our folks who go to Pentecostal church on Sunday to experience the HS like a warm blanket.  They describe a physical feeling of being embraced by warmth and tingling, of something like a warm wave pass over them and through their hair.  Spooky stuff.  And they go back for more?!!

Definitely spooky stuff. There is a non-denominational church near us that a fellow church member visited to see what it was like. They were busy "slaying in the spirit" the day he walked in. He said people were falling down. The person doing the "slaying" approached him and threw his arm at him like he was throwing a ball and said "recieve the spirit." The SDA said he felt something hit him in the chest and had to prevent himself from falling down. The man said, "don't fight it brother" and prepared to do it again but the SDA got out immediately and came to our place all shaken up saying he needed to talk to someone about it to figure out what had happened. We had a good talk and he never went back....too bad others aren't as wise (though why he went I'll never understand) and keep going back! We are told that the churches are fallen - where do they think that warm feeling is coming from?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 08, 2009, 09:21:55 AM
Definitely spooky stuff. There is a non-denominational church near us that a fellow church member visited to see what it was like. They were busy "slaying in the spirit" the day he walked in. He said people were falling down. The person doing the "slaying" approached him and threw his arm at him like he was throwing a ball and said "recieve the spirit." The SDA said he felt something hit him in the chest and had to prevent himself from falling down. The man said, "don't fight it brother" and prepared to do it again but the SDA got out immediately and came to our place all shaken up saying he needed to talk to someone about it to figure out what had happened. We had a good talk and he never went back....too bad others aren't as wise (though why he went I'll never understand) and keep going back! We are told that the churches are fallen - where do they think that warm feeling is coming from?
Definitely evil forces at work here....Satan would like nothing better than for us to enter near that tree of good and evil and have dominion over us.  It opens the door for complete control by Satan.  We cannot give Satan a foothold as we have no power over him and God's protection will leave us when we choose Satan's realm.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on February 12, 2009, 07:24:00 AM
Someone once asked me  "what would you be if you were not a colporteur?" I answered, "I would be ashamed."

I would give the same answer if someone asked me, "What would you be if you were not a Seventh day Adventist?" I would be ashamed, lost, and without hope. How much do we appreciate the light we have and the short but relatively easy time that we still have to share it ?

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: kayyak on February 12, 2009, 07:28:33 AM
Amen!

Someone once asked me  "what would you be if you were not a colporteur?" I answered, "I would be ashamed."

I would give the same answer if someone asked me, "What would you be if you were not a Seventh day Adventist?" I would be ashamed, lost, and without hope. How much do we appreciate the light we have and the short but relatively easy time that we still have to share it ?


Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: colporteur on February 17, 2009, 09:29:25 PM
Canvassed a Church of Christ pastor's wife last evening. The pastor would not give us the time of day, growly, grumpy, sour puss. His wife was very sweet. She wrote us a letter. Some one had loaned her  mother in the nursing home a Bible Readings magabook. (God's Answers) She so liked the book, both her mother and she. The mother had to give the book back so her daughter wrote us a letter asking about prices. She expected something in the mailbox. Since we were too big to fit in the mailbox we visited her. Her husband who was just diagnosed with prostrate cancer did all he could to detour her from buying any books. He stood in the other room out of sight and made comments a couple of times and called her into the other room once to tell her not to get any books. Things were apparently tight for them financially though she wrote me a check for  6 magabooks which included the Great Controversy, He Taught Love, God's Answers, and Pathways to Health and Happiness.(Ministry of Healing) She was so touched when we prayed for her and her husband.

The next home was a retired Catholic couple. The husband had served twice in Nam and has had a bypass. He saw his "dead father " in Nam. His wife has also had spiritualistic experiences. They really liked the books but were about to lose there home if it were not for a large tax refund. They purchased 5 magabooks. They were also very touched when we closed with prayer and left them some free lit to go with their magabooks.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 18, 2009, 10:45:21 AM
Cp,
That is sooooo cool how a seed had been sown earlier to soften the heart.  :D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Maranatha on June 04, 2009, 04:03:26 PM
are there any more stories by Cp or newbie of LE?
These accounts have been very inspiring and encouraging to me. I am praying that this summer I can start in the LE field. Please keep me in your prayers!
God bless abundantly
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on June 04, 2009, 05:45:19 PM
are there any more stories by Cp or newbie of LE?
These accounts have been very inspiring and encouraging to me. I am praying that this summer I can start in the LE field. Please keep me in your prayers!
God bless abundantly

Welcome to the forum Maranatha! I will certainly pray that God will give you great success in that very important ministry. I believe that it is one of the most effective and exciting methods of winning souls.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 04, 2009, 06:21:32 PM
are there any more stories by Cp or newbie of LE?
These accounts have been very inspiring and encouraging to me. I am praying that this summer I can start in the LE field. Please keep me in your prayers!
God bless abundantly

Since it is so nice out and summer time is a time for fairs, we have decided to have a booth at the local fair for LE.  We have many freebies and drawings that have a short survey on the back that can be used for visits the rest of the year.  Still handing out literature where ever I go and opportunities to the homeless and jobless.  Also, just did a major mailing. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 01, 2014, 06:50:47 AM
A little update  :-D

 Satan's Big Guns Not Big Enough


I canvassed a young mother yesterday (signed up at the Sport's Show) who was very spiritual and searching. She had alot of questions. She and her husband are both RNs.  We talked considerably about last day events and she decided to purchased the Bible Stories and Bible Readings. She is Lutheran and her husband Catholic. They have some disagreements about religion. He was sleeping and she debated about making the purchase without him but did so. She said " he will be upset but he'll get over it. I will just work a couple of extra shifts to pay for the books."  I got the impression that he, like most Catholics, was not into the Bible. I left the Bible Story books sensing that there might be a problem later. I did not have the Bible Readings with me as I was sold out on those books and said I would deliver it next week.

   An hour later I got a call from the husband who sounded like he was struggling to control is temper. He said that he found the same books on the internet for a lot less and his wife made the decision without him."  He asked if they could ship the books back and said they would likely purchase the set off the internet. I replied that they could and asked if the books on the internet were of the same quality and if they were new ? He was not sure but said he would discuss it more with his wife and get back to me. I prayed about it considerably as it was pretty much out of my hands. I asked the Lord to work out his will. 

Two hours later I received a call from the mother. She said that they would have to cancel because of her husband. I explained that I forgot to mention to her husband that she had purchased more than just the Bible Stories ( Bible Readings vol 1-2) and that factored into the price. I also said that if they wanted a lower price set of books I have magabooks. The wife asked if I could explain that to her husband and she handed the phone to him. He seemed to be softening quite a bit as I explained how the Bible Readings would answer their questions and settle any possible disagreements they might have about Biblical subjects. I said I would come back shortly and pick up the Bible Story set and he replied that I could show him the Bible Readings then. He said  almost apologetically , "I suppose you get this kind of thing all the time with the internet." I replied, " not really, this was the second time in a year."


Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 01, 2014, 06:52:20 AM
   the rest of the story-


I was welcomed very warmly by the husband when I entered the garage and noticed the two dead coyotes  and deer horns lying there on the floor. We talked about his coyote hunting briefly as we sat down at the kitchen table. As we were talking about the state of the world I gave a little story as I often do about what Dr. Ben Carson said (presidential prayer breakfast) about the 16 Trillion dollar deficit and that the number was so big that it would take at counting one number per second 507, 000 years to count to that number. This set the tone for a most serious discussion. I discovered that this man does study the Bible and he mentioned that he has tried to study Revelation and has gotten "no where." I asked for their Bible and shared how the symbols are interpreted in Daniel and elsewhere. He said something about an eagle in Ezekiel and he thinks that is the USA and that we have a part to play. This fed right into where I wanted to go. I went to Revelation 13:11 and onward. He and his wife were all ears and the study resonated very much with them. He had a lot of questions. I hit all the high points however not identifying the first beast but asking him if he learned something from the Bible that cut across his previous thinking would he accept it ? I stated that those who do not receive the Mark of the beast will receive God's mark and this would be in the mind, in the frontal lobe of the brain; it would involve worship and it would involve keeping the commandments.  He said he would accept whatever the Bible says. He purchased the two volume  Bible Readings as well as the Great Controversy magabook and the My Bible Friends magabook for their two preschoolers. He said what I shared made a lot of sense and is similar to what he has thought but never saw it from the Bible.  The husband thanked me for coming back. His wife said " aren't you glad you got to meet him?" He replied, "yes, keep doing the work you are doing."  He asked how I got started in this kind of work and what church I belonged to. When I told him and explained that in the end the two  groups will not be Catholics and Protestants or Baptists and Muslims, but those who accept Jesus and follow Him and those who do not, he just nodded his head. He shook my hand and said as if to apologize, " you know I was mad at you when I called earlier." I grinned a big smile and said, " yah, I know." All was very well at the end and I believe much better than if the husband would have accepted his wife's decision but would have been miffed about it.

The Lord once again overruled Satan's guns and turned a problem into a blessing. There is little doubt in my mind that even though I "lost the sale" for the Bible Stories, the ultimate good is being worked out as the family not only still has the deeper message books in their home but a good impression was left by the visit and study, for the father to benefit from as well. We are told in the Spirit of Prophecy that when the people read the books they will reflect on their experience in the canvass and it will effect their acceptance of the message in the books they read.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 01, 2014, 07:09:24 AM
 
      Sets for the Saints



    It was in a wealthy neighborhood and  had stopped at the home several times before but never anyone home. After visiting a home that many times your fear is not that they will reject you but that they will not be home again. Finally, this evening someone was home. There would be closure one way or another.
 
   When the nice looking young mother opened the door I explained that I was there as a result of her signing up for the drawing at the Home Show several months ago. Her reply was, "Oh yah, the books. Come on in." She said that she wondered why I had not stopped earlier as I said at the booth ( Home Show) I would make contact. I apologized and explained that I had been very busy.

  During the prospectus warm up when I got to the page  with the churches that use our books and asked if her church was there, she said, "yes, its about half way down" but  she did not reveal which church it was. I asked which one is was and she said " Latter Day Saints."   I shared that I have sold books to a number of the "Saints" in the past and told of one such experience with a man high up in the church.

  During the canvass she mentioned that they read the Bible but they read the Book of Mormon too. I could tell by her lack of biblical knowledge  that she read the Book of Mormon a lot more than the Bible.  However, she seemed to have a real interest in the books.

  I came as close to her as I could without sacrificing principle and said that I too believe in last day prophets. It resonated with her when I said that God said in the last days to beware of false prophets and if there were to be no true prophets in the last days God would have said to beware of all prophets. She nodded her head.

    Her husband arrived home from work. He was a big man, a native American and very quiet but friendly. 
Mother said that she was just thinking about the literature booth and the books the other day and here I show up.  She said that this was not a coincidence, that God was in this.   I replied that I pray every day that God will bring me to  the people who are most responsive to Him and that my time would be used most effectively.

  Mother said that their two year old was very advanced for her age and was getting bored with the little Bible Story books they have. I replied that it is time for them to upgrade with something with more depth. They have a baby on the way as well.

  She asked her husband if it was ok to buy the Bible Stories with Bible Readings For the Home . He nodded his head , yes.  She gave  me a check for the down payment and I set them up for 10 months same as cash.
I left them a couple of free gifts and offered prayer.

It was nice to be able to place in the home "Sets for the Saints"

This was about 6 months ago. Since then I sent them a paperback copy of " Prophet of the End."  :wink:

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 01, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
ColporteurK

You have a lot of experience & have sown a lot of “good seed” of the gospel. Your stories are interesting! Have you thought of writing an E-book & sharing how you do it? I know EGW has a lot of spiritual counsel on selling our books but sharing the actual experience & logistics of how to do it in today's world might be helpful to many sincere young people & others! It is truly an important ministry! It is a wonderful way to share Christ, develop a life of faith, & make a living at the same time. It takes a lot of dedication & a lot of soul searching. It also takes a decision on which source of our books to use & there has always been debate about that! Vance Farrell has published many of our books for colporteurs to sell.  We love his illustrated Great Controversy & he sells them at a very good price!  It certainly takes a special dedication & a willingness to suffer hardship at times to be a colporteur. God is still calling people into that ministry! Some could even do it part time! EGW says that selling our books is just as important as the gospel ministry! The field is wide open & the need is great, for any that feel that call!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 01, 2014, 10:31:04 AM

   Restore;

   I have written up  a large number of experiences  (some with pictures) and was going to  put together a book. I didn't have the extra $10, 000 to do that and then decided to put out a DVD with the stories but I wanted an action where with a click it would look like a page  was turning with a light  brushing sound. 10 -15years ago  computer options of that nature were not so advanced as they are today and I did not run across anyone that seemed able or  interested in doing that for me so I dropped the idea. My title was "Carrying Streams of Light." There was to be a black silhouette of an LE carrying a black case and breaking out of the corners of the case were rays of light. Then to the side at a distance looking down was a city all in back with little beams of light appearing upward coming out of many houses. Around the outside of this was a sky blue color to give the cover some color.

I have not had the time to put together much on canvassing other than a video clip of a close that has proven to be very successful. On the job training is so much more effective. Doing door to door surveys is the easiest and best way to get an idea of canvassing IMHO. If I were not an LE I would still do door to door surveys. I do that some with church members on Sabbath afternoons. It is alot easier than canvassing but has some of the same elements without the tenseness that may be an element when selling.

I have a couple of power point presentations with the history of the canvassing work, with Bible and SOP quotes and  a picture of Mrs. White in vision as she had a vision on how the publishing work would start small but would be like streams of light going all around the world  Then they are pictures of families that have purchased books as they hold up their books.  I share the experience while church members view the picture. It is nice when one can put  faces to the experience. It makes it more real.

One of my favorite experiences happened 10 years ago to the day on April 1. A catholic couple that I canvassed pulled an April fools joke on me. They led me to believe they were very very interested in the books.  They asked me to go out in my vehicle while they discussed the matter of purchasing books. When they came to their door as a signal for me to come in the husband, Nick said that the books were to pricey and they would have to wait for another time. After really discouraging me Nick bust out laughing and said " We'll take the whole thing ! April Fools !   They purchased two sets of children's books and a SOP book.  At the end Nick said, " With the trout season opening today it is a miracle that I even let you in and here I am buying books. We have a need and you met that need. That's what its all about !"

That's the shortened version of the story anyway.


 

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 01, 2014, 12:12:14 PM

    I have written up  a large number of experiences  (some with pictures) and was going to  put together a book. I didn't have the extra $10, 000 to do that and then decided to put out a DVD with the stories but I wanted an action where with a click it would look like a page  was turning with a light  brushing sound. 10 -15years ago  computer options of that nature were not so advanced as they are today and I did not run across anyone that seemed able or  interested in doing that for me so I dropped the idea. My title was "Carrying Streams of Light." There was to be a black silhouette of an LE carrying a black case and breaking out of the corners of the case were rays of light. Then to the side at a distance looking down was a city all in back with little beams of light appearing upward coming out of many houses. Around the outside of this was a sky blue color to give the cover some color.

I have not had the time to put together much on canvassing other than a video clip of a close that has proven to be very successful. On the job training is so much more effective. Doing door to door surveys is the easiest and best way to get an idea of canvassing IMHO. If I were not an LE I would still do door to door surveys. I do that some with church members on Sabbath afternoons. It is alot easier than canvassing but has some of the same elements without the tenseness that may be an element when selling.

I have a couple of power point presentations with the history of the canvassing work, with Bible and SOP quotes and  a picture of Mrs. White in vision as she had a vision on how the publishing work would start small but would be like streams of light going all around the world  Then they are pictures of families that have purchased books as they hold up their books.  I share the experience while church members view the picture. It is nice when one can put  faces to the experience. It makes it more real....

Someone with a good video camera could capture your presentation & put it on U tube. With the new HTML5, the media is inserted into web page itself, making it possible to include video clips, audio clips, music, etc, right into your web page or html document.  Maybe, someone knowledgeable in that field will help you put that together someday. If that were on the internet, there would be people world wide who might be encouraged to take up the literature work!

BTW, for anyone who has the time & interest to create their own web pages using HTML5, Cascading Sheets, & JavaScript: You can learn these computer languages(& others) for free on the internet through w3schools.com, as well as many other free tutoring sources. Having this knowledge could make one useful in the Lord's work!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on April 01, 2014, 05:32:04 PM
CP,

You do not need ten grand to publish a book.
My book, Strange Fire: Confessions of a False Prophet, was published "print on demand" for about $800 ( which was donated by John and Robin Korponay of Hope Int), and that included a couple boxes of books for me. After selling all I had and could get, and collecting some royalties on web sales, Hartland College offered to republish under their own nameplate and on their own nickel. I then revised the copy to their specs ( they wanted it "a little kinder") and sold the rights to Hartland, who I believe still publishes it ( Oklahoma Academy still has about a case left I think). I never made much money on the book, but it did get out there.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 01, 2014, 07:29:45 PM
I guess I never had the time or was willing to take enough time to pursue it all the way. It is hard to take much time out from experiencing experiences to put  time and $ into sharing them. I was also factoring in a printing  of 5,000 copies.

I wonder if a book on canvassing experiences would be very popular in the church today. Most churches are pretty much out of touch with this ministry. Most  see it as a kind of dinosaur.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on April 01, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
Understood, my friend. And Revelation Seminars are heading the same direction. But interesting and supernatural stories from LEs are a blessing and give hope and encouragement to the  SDA kids that are canvassing their way through school.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 06:16:13 AM

   True. Maybe if time allows you could help me with that. Time seems so short it is hard to give the time to this that it deserves.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 08:02:23 AM
  The Entering  Wedge

The health lead card was addressed to Lois. She lived at a rural route address about 80 miles away. On my circuit running leads I stopped at the address. An elderly man came to the door and said that Lois was not home. That was a half truth but fortunately as I was about to leave he replied, " She's out in the chicken house." Good," I said, " I'll go out and see her there." The wind was so strong I could hardly walk. When I entered the chicken house and explained, Lois said she would be at the house in a couple of minutes. I made my way back to my vehicle and sat there until she came and then I followed her into the house. While chatting with the couple I realized that Richard and I had something in common. He had been a machinest and  myself also for seven years. He was very headstrong and outspoken but friendly. I noticed while talking, a New Kingdom Linear Bible on the table. "You're Jehovah Witness?", I asked. "Yes", she replied. Once we got off of the machining topic Richard went and watched some TV before drifting off into a semi slumber. That was proably just as well, I felt.

     Lois was talking in terms of wanting one book so I was hesitant to canvass a larger set. The old house had almost no paint on it and I considered that the couple were probably poor. After showing her the Natural Remedies volume, however, she asked about the three volume Encyclopedia of Foods set. It was not difficult to sell her on the set. She wrote out a check for the 4 volumes set. I wanted to try to place a SOP book but knew it would create problems in terms of selling books and the Natural Remedies has some spiritual information in the book.   So I gave her three magabooks free, a Medicinal Plants, Desire of Ages, and Pathways to health and Happiness ( Ministry of Healing). I said that this book is on the life of the Greatest Physician that ever lived and the other emphasizes that one of the reasons that God wants us to be healthy is so that we can serve others. She agreed and said, " You'd make a good Jehovah Witness." I replied, "I am one." She knew what I meant and followed with, " but you need to go door to door." " I do," was my answer. Those magabooks may even be the greater blessing if they read them. We are told that the health books are an entering wedge and this could not be more true regarding the JWs. Since then I sent them some pointed literature.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 08:11:34 AM

  Restore;

You mention Vance Ferrell's books. I sell the  Great Controversy  illustrated, Natural Remedies, and Desire of Ages Illustrated. I particularly like the first two. It may be these small presses that carry the work in the future as the big presses are in dire straits.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 02, 2014, 09:05:53 AM

  Restore;

You mention Vance Ferrell's books. I sell the  Great Controversy  illustrated, Natural Remedies, and Desire of Ages Illustrated. I particularly like the first two. It may be these small presses that carry the work in the future as the big presses are in dire straits.
Are the publishing houses still sponsoring literature evangelists? You don't hear about them as much as you use to. Which books do they push, other than the Bible Story? Is Vance's Natural Remedies a good seller? It seems like a lot of people might be interested in  a book like that considering all the people losing their health insurance.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 09:43:58 AM

  Restore;

You mention Vance Ferrell's books. I sell the  Great Controversy  illustrated, Natural Remedies, and Desire of Ages Illustrated. I particularly like the first two. It may be these small presses that carry the work in the future as the big presses are in dire straits.
Are the publishing houses still sponsoring literature evangelists? You don't hear about them as much as you use to. Which books do they push, other than the Bible Story? Is Vance's Natural Remedies a good seller? It seems like a lot of people might be interested in  a book like that considering all the people losing their health insurance.

The publishing houses are simply a supplier. The presses never did really sponsor LEs at least not for the last many years. It was because conferences sent in funds that LEs were assisted. Most conferences save a couple have withdrawn all financial support. The Michigan conference has had a program of sorts and that is in the valley of decision right now with Lindell Jensen (the big book leader) having recently left that position. Other than that there is only one  program ye and that is down south in the Bible belt, Georgia, the Carolinas. etc.. etc.. The Review is going in the hole a million each year and cannot last a lot longer. There was a plan for the presses to merge but that did not happen.

The Natural Remedies is a  good seller however it still depends mostly on the Le. There is an old saying "make a friend, sell a friend."  I would say that the book itself is about  40-50% of the equation. Of course it is the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit blesses according to the energy and effort put forth by the Le. When the canvasser is on fire the people catch fire too and to some of these people you could almost sell ice to an eskimo. When the Le appears to be a doctor that reflects on the books even if you never opened a book up before them.  When I canvass the health books I give the prospect a health seminar and top it off with the books beginning with the fact that alzhiemers is the 6th leading cause of death in America.  One version of Azheimers reveals in the brain of those who have died a ring of aluminum. I then ask the prospect to go to their cupboard and bring me their baking powder. When they bring it back I read off the ingredient aluminum sulfate. Then I share that to avoid this it is a simple as this. The next time they go to Walmart instead of buying that baking powder they need to choose the baking powder next to it that says on the label "aluminum FREE."  These are the kinds of things that can be the difference between life and death. I talk about meat a little, and usually quite a lot on dairy and cheese. Done properly none are offended and interest is peaked.

Yes, now we have the added punch that" not only does modern medicine rarely heal disease but merely treats the symptoms but also the distinct possibly that the average public may not even have access to this in the future. In other words, at best modern medicine is not very helpful but we may not even have access to this compromised medicine before long.

When the prospect is interested in health and interested in the spiritual we have fertile ground to work with.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 09:54:40 AM
"When the prospect is interested in health and interested in the spiritual we have very fertile ground to work with."


Along this line it brings to mind a couple in their 60s that I canvassed in northern Michigan. Both husband and wife had had breast cancer. That was a new one for me. I had never heard of a man having breast cancer.

They were both interested in health but not so much John. He was polite but sat across the room while Ardis and I sat in close proximity on  the couch as I canvassed them both. John listened and responded but was not greatly into the canvass on health. As is my custom I finished off the health set demo with the Great Controversy illustrated and shared some things on prophecy. At that John replied, " now we're talkin. This is what I'm interested in !" 

This is music to the LEs ears. He came right over and plopped down beside us. Needless to say they bought a nice 4 volume set of health books as well as the GC illustrated without reservation.

With Ardis the engine fired on health. With John it was prophecy. They each had something in the package of books that really resonated, that struck a note.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on April 02, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
With all due respect to brother Vance Ferrell, his writing style is too bombastic, overbearing and offensive for the average reader. His sloppy use of  Scripture and Ellen White's writings, as well as his continual bolding and excessive use of  the exclamation point !!! is a turn off to anyone who does not already hold his view. He also does not "get it" when it comes to which font works best for print ( Times New Roman) versus a computer screen ( Arial).

I have Natural Remedies Encyclopedia, and it is very good for the most part, but in the appendix where he "defends creation", he slips back into "Vance Ferrell mode". Too bad, there is some good info there, but I would never share the book with an evolutionist.

 That is the danger of self-publishing. There is no accountability when it comes to style and presentation.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 06:22:41 PM
I  knew  there was still a little of  that ole Zeal left.  LOL.

There is an old saying I like. "It is easier to slow a fast horse down than to get a dead one going." We have a couple of fast horses here.    :-D


If I had my choice I would like fewer pictures in the spiritual books especially the Desire of Ages illustrated.
They need to make me editor of our books.  I would do it tomorrow. The first thing I would do with the Maxwell Bible Stories would be to yank about 50 of the pictures and replace them with real art. We do not need undeniable Catholic hand signals in our books, you know the ones sister White talked about . That should have been remedied long ago. We work with what we have.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on April 02, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
Well, there's more of that "Ol Zeal" than I care for sometimes. I would rather be like Jesus than Barabbas. I like some of what Vance does, but some of his works ( as well as some of his kellogg-esque theology) leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 02, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
 Sunday, I canvassed five families. Four of them purchased books. One family was a couple living together. He and she both had children. I was not content when as we were sitting sat the table, far across the house on a very large screen the children were watching the Wizard of OZ. The children were lined up on the couch watching this program. If the tv would have been closer I would have done as I almost always do and asked if we could turn it off so the parents could hear me better. The problem was that the tv was just far enough away that I could not convincingly propose that it  was competition. I just tuned the whole thing out and canvassed with a passion. The couple purchased a large set of books.

   Then I said as gingerly as I could (and with a smile) that I felt I needed to preach alittle. They both said in a very sweet and welcome tone "go head,... we knew it was coming." I replied, "ok, I will not say anything."  The young lady (maybe 30) said, "no, go ahead." She had tears in her eyes when I said  that God would honor a full commitment and they need not fear to do that."  The lady said, " That's what I have been trying to tell him." I think they just needed encouragement more  than anything.

Then I stopped at the house of a previous customer. He and wife had purchased a large set of health books with the GC illustrated, several months ago. The wife was in bed as she had to work graveyard. The husband had the football game on. I made small talk and then explained briefly about the three books that I brought in and laid on the coffee table. I did not include them in my first canvass because I thought they had bit off about all they could chew financially. I asked if he would like to finish out their set with the two Medicinal Plant books and the DA illustrated. He tried to Jew me down a little but not very hard. Kurt, said," Do what you got to do with the paperwork and I'll pay for them when the game was over. We watched, sort of, the last 2 minutes of the game as we talked. As I noticed his 4 packs of Marboros on the coffee table I said, " Kurt. I wish I could get you away from those things. I like you too much to lose you to those." He replied, " I know... some day."  I continued, "Jesus can free you from them." "Yah", he said. He went out and got the cash and I offered a prayer for him before leaving.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 03, 2014, 12:22:20 AM
With all due respect to brother Vance Ferrell, his writing style is too bombastic, overbearing and offensive for the average reader. His sloppy use of  Scripture and Ellen White's writings, as well as his continual bolding and excessive use of  the exclamation point !!! is a turn off to anyone who does not already hold his view. He also does not "get it" when it comes to which font works best for print ( Times New Roman) versus a computer screen ( Arial).

... he slips back into "Vance Ferrell mode"....
 That is the danger of self-publishing. There is no accountability when it comes to style and presentation.


Aw, come on Zeal!  :)  Aren't you doing the very same thing you accused Vance of doing?  This seems like playground stuff! I saw your apology, but you put it out there & discredited him & that deserves a response for his reputation's sake! If you are really apologetic couldn't you at least delete it?

There are & have been things that I have disagreed with Vance about. None of us are perfect! I believe it is sometimes OK to fault the wrong action or false teaching, but best to leave motives & personalities aside. When disagreeing with someone we need to respect & have tolerance for them & never use ridicule to win an argument or drive home a point! We all have failings, but we are the children of God if we love one another & obey His Word!

Vance has dedicated much of his life to being a "watchman on the walls of Zion!" His life work has been in service to God! He has BA, MA & BD degrees. He is an accomplished writer & researcher. He was a young Pastor in charge of the Petuluma, CA Church when he made the decision to resign & enter the self-supporting work.  At the tme, I was a student at PUC & attending his church during the summer while working with by brother in a logging operation nearby. Vance told me that he felt working to help build the new Santa Rosa church building full time -- was not what he had trained for & what God had called him to do. I was very disappointed in his decision!

One of the best sermons I ever heard preached was one Vance gave on the text of Jer.12:5

If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

The thrust of  his sermon was "If we don't learn to trust & walk with God in our trials now, what will we do in the time of trouble?'  I think the message in that sermon was the mission & message of his life!

A couple years later, after my wife & I got married we saw him & his wife three or four times in some cottage meetings. That is the last time we have had any personal contact with him. We have followed him on his websites the past few years & still have high regard for him. One of my wife's cousins (who lives in Texas) went up & spent a day or two with him a few years ago. He has a lot of respect for him, also. Vance has the credentials, experience & perhaps the calling to speak out on issues affecting the church. We may not always agree with him, but we respect his opinions! We think he deserves respect for all the work he has done over the years in defending the Spirit of Prophecy & speaking out against apostasy in the church!

For those interested in the "2520 day prophecy" Vance Ferrell has one or more pdf documents on it.
< http://the2520.com/PDFs/VF2520.pdf  (http://the2520.com/PDFs/VF2520.pdf)>
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Raven on April 03, 2014, 02:56:23 AM
With all due respect to brother Vance Ferrell, his writing style is too bombastic, overbearing and offensive for the average reader. His sloppy use of  Scripture and Ellen White's writings, as well as his continual bolding and excessive use of  the exclamation point !!! is a turn off to anyone who does not already hold his view. He also does not "get it" when it comes to which font works best for print ( Times New Roman) versus a computer screen ( Arial).


 That is the danger of self-publishing. There is no accountability when it comes to style and presentation.

Brother Ferrel does have some good material, but I'm never quite sure how seriously to take some of what he prints.  In the past I've noticed that he doesn't always check his sources very well, and often jumps to unwarranted conclusions.  I know he means well, and is trying to held stem the slide of the church "towards Babylon," but he really does need to be more careful about getting his facts and conclusions straight.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 03, 2014, 06:20:35 AM
 I am not inviting criticism but since this topic has been opened up, why do we criticize in one area  and yet not seem to care about all the art work in our publications (from the big presses)  that are Catholic with Catholic signs ? This continues when with the high tech abilities we have today editing these pictures out is quite easy. My point is that we can strain at concerns in one area and swallow camels in others simply because we tend to be more accepting of problems that exist within mainline institutional work. I will say this about self supporting publishing. It is largely if not entirely void of these Catholic pictures and the publications are offered to the LE with a goodly amount of mark up room. The big presses make money off of the struggling LE while  Vance Ferrell does not.  I use the Natural Remedies and GC illustrated to cushion the cost of the books that come from the big presses. I have made the picture issue known to the Presses years ago and it fell on deaf ears. I still handle the books because of limited options, the fact that the content is good,  and the public (and SDAs) are not privy to this. However, I am not  a bit happy about it. It ought not be  and I can think of no reason for continuing this practice that is not condemning. I am not against expressing concerns over that which ought not be. However, our own back yard has some real issues, most of which are not known to our people. There is a reason why our big presses are hanging by a thread right now. The church will go through and publishing will go through but both will look very different in the future from what we see today. Hang on !


MR No. 663 - Pictures in The Desire of Ages

 
     I wish to say to you that I am sadly disappointed in the cuts prepared for such a book as the Life of Christ. I consider that if Brother A accepts such figures that his eye and taste has lost its cunning. You cannot expect me to be pleased with such productions. Look at these figures critically, and you must see that they are either made from Catholic designs or Catholic artists. The picture of Mary has a man's face, the representations of Christ with the two fingers prominent, while the others are closed, is wholly a Catholic sign and I object to this. I see but very little beauty in any of the faces, or persons. There is the scenery of nature, landscape scenery, that is not as objectionable, but I could never rest my eyes upon the face pictures without pain. 
 
     I would much prefer to have no pictures than representations that are not representations, but disfigurements of the true. This is my opinion. Where is the discerning eye? Better pay double price, or treble, and have pictures, if pictures must be had, that will not pervert facts. I wish there had not been an attempt to make one representation, but send out the book and let it make a place for itself. I call these faces in the pictures and scenes so poorly represented that it is a perversion of the facts. 
 
     If this is A's work, I cannot accept him as a designer, and if he can accept such pictures I cannot respect or honor his judgment. Do not spoil my book by disfigurements which lower the facts and the matters they represent. Brother A needs the sanctification of the senses to understand the spirituality of truth. He may study European artistic skill, but there will be seen in nearly all designs the Catholic features.--Letter 81a, 1897, p. 1. (To C. H. Jones, Manager of the Pacific Press, December 20, 1897.)  {8MR 456.3} 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on April 03, 2014, 06:52:01 AM
CP, I fully understand your issue with the RC references in the photos and illustrations. Yes, two fingers, halos, etc. I would think they would know better. But then again, many of our churches are celebrating Easter, a holiday whose name alone is that of a pagan goddess. If they can't figure that one out, how do we expect them to notice the subtleties in a picture? I find it even more interesting considering the appendix in Great Controversy that exposed the flawed reasoning of "iconic images" being developed in the Roman Church.

I was not really apologizing to Brother Ferrell, but stating that there are things I like and that I don't like about his books. And yes, I feel he has a theology problem when he writes that God "lives in our cells, keeping them physically functioning". That is very close, if not identical, to what Kellogg was condemned for. I do not condemn him as a Christian or an Adventist, but simply do not agree with his style and some of his work.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 03, 2014, 08:20:14 AM
Maybe Dwight Hall will want to change some of the pictures & have some influence to do that -- now that he is with the R&H. We have never liked the Catholic pictures either & the ones that show Adam & Eve naked in the Garden of Eden (before sin), instead of clothed in a garment of light, as they really were.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 03, 2014, 09:14:29 AM
I have found that scant few people in high profile places knows anything about these pictures. Most have never even heard of  the SOP quote I posted.

 Zeal;

I would not say that God lives in our cells. There is a fine line there however as God is omnipresent. Even so, every aspect of life, every breath we take and every blade of grass is intricately sustained by God.

When I first joined the church and knew relatively little I assumed that the earth was more or less wound up like a clock and then left to run. We know that this is not correct. Anyway, we have gotten off topic.  :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 03, 2014, 10:09:35 AM

Working in the Reformed Community

I had stopped at this home in the country probably 12 times, maybe more  and never anyone home. I called a couple of times and only received a recording. Tonight, I would stop again. Surely sooner or  later these people will be home. Ah Ha ! I think I see someone walking across the living room floor. Just to connect would be a victory on this one. I would not have been so tenacious and persistent had not the checked off items on the drawing  card looked so promising. The couple were preparing supper but was willing to put that on hold and listen. Their three little ones were a bit distracting but that is nothing new. At the end the family purchased a large set of books along with the Great Controversy.  It is worth it to lean into the yoke and keep trying.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 03, 2014, 10:30:11 AM

Mackenzie and John were a nice young couple but at the close of the canvass they made it clear that they would not be buying books. I canvassed the Bible Stories and the Triumph of God's Love and as a drop down when they said they could not purchase them I showed  5 magabooks which included the Great Controversy, God's Answers to Your Questions and three children's books. However, they continued  with excuses about how they needed the funds as they were getting married and were finishing off their basement, etc,etc,.

What to do ?  I asked a question that led into the book of Revelation and they showed an interest. Their interest developed and we ended up in a Bible Study but without a Bible as they could not find their Bible for the life of them. I talked about Daniel 7 and Rev. 13 as they hunted, but no Bible. I asked if they  wanted to know I could run out and get mine. I returned with it and we had  what I would describe as a power packed one hour Bible study that normally would have taken 2-3 hours.  It was pumped. We talked about the seal and the mark, 666, and the calendar change, the papacy , the scarlet woman, the city on 7 hills and the beast of Rev. 13:11 that had horns like a lamb but speaks as a Dragon. Interest increased through out the study and at the end I gave them a paperback book "Mark of the Beast." Mackenize responded, "  that's for ,me? "There is a whole book on that ?!   I replied, "yes, there is whole book on that. If I was just here to sell books I would have been gone an hour ago but this topic is important. What is more important than you not being deceived  and lost ?" Mackenize replied, "would you get those  5 books back out again, I think we will take those." She wrote out a check for $60 and they repeatedly thanked me from coming. We must convince people that we have more than just good books but books with pointed truth for this time.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 03, 2014, 02:25:18 PM
 
Jefferson & Josh


  This particular evening I canvassed a man named Jefferson (first name) and his 11 year old son, Josh. They had signed up for the free drawing at my booth at the Home Show 7 months ago. I had not sought them out do to having cards scattered all over the place and this address had eluded me previously. As I did some more research I was able to find the home. Father was most receptive at the door and invited me in and said "come on in and do what you got to  do."  I never had exactly that response before. When I learned that mother was out of town my enthusiasm dropped a bit. While mothers without fathers buy books every day, fathers seldom buy books without mother there. However, since father seemed receptive I canvassed him. He was exceptional in terms of his response and his  son Josh sat there and responded like a champ. He was into the books. They are a Catholic family and though father had not much knowledge of the Bible Josh was well informed for his age and denominational attachment.
 
    We talked about some of the animals going into the ark by sevens. Josh could not find his Bible so I dashed to my vehicle and got mine and we had a little study.
I  canvassed  the Bible Stories with Bible Readings. I would rather place the Great Controversy but it is not always as marketable in some homes as Bible Readings as many are not interested in history. When we got down to the close I asked if they would like to own the Bible Stories? Father looked over at Josh and asked " Do you want them?"  Josh answered, " what do you think, Dad?"  That was a resounding but humble "yes."  Father asked, "should we put it on the credit card?" Josh answered, "sure !" There was not a single hesitation or objection. Knowing that fathers alone tend to be a hard sell I had not thought big enough and wished I had canvassed the whole Conflict of the Ages series. I will attempt to place the rest of the set later.

  Still wanting to get the Great Controversy in there in a hardback book I asked father and son if they like to read. Josh answered, " I like Revelation." Oh, that was music to my ears. Father looked at Josh and said something to the effect, " that's a pretty heavy book." I read Rev. 1:3 about how one is blessed that reads Revelation and then explained that since Josh likes Revelation they could exchange their Bible Readings for a Great Controversy. Josh said, I want to do that." I left a Peace above the Storm and a Desire of Ages magabook with them as gifts and offered prayer.

  Jefferson was touched by the prayer and said, " That was really nice." Probably he had never heard a prayer from the heart like that and directed to his family.
I went out and got the books and brought them in placing the BS set in Josh's arms. He reacted proud as a peacock. They were so happy to get the books. I praised them for their kind courteous response during our visit and shared that I saw aspects of Christ in them that are not so common these days. They were warmed by the comments. I pray that their hearts are open when they  read the Great Controversy. We are told in the SOP that when the people read the books the influence of the vessel God used to canvass them will loom in their minds and affect their ability to receive truth. It is good to be able to come so close to the people in such a short period of time. When one talks eternal life and death, especially in these last days the Holy Spirit makes a deep convicting impression. I pray every day that while canvassing it would be to the people as though they hear Jesus speaking. The Holy Spirit can do that and He does.
   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 04, 2014, 07:08:22 AM
I have been taking my children out magabooking two evenings a week. They have been averaging  $250 per night in sales and donations for books with the last three nights placing over $300 worth each night. This will pay for their campmeeting expenses, airplane tickets, food, lodging, and all the books they want to buy while they are there not to mention tithe and another 10% for investment.

 Some of the least likely prospects gave nice donations or purchased books. When you knock on 100- 150 doors you experience an interesting cross spectrum of reactions but most are good. We have left many free books in homes as well. It is nice to see the children so encouraged with success. They are placing alot of books and earning money at the same time to go to campmeeting. They lead off with a Severn Secrets Cook book, generally followed by a Peace Above the Storm, then the Encyclopedia of Foods, followed by a Great Controversy, followed by the children's Bible story magabooks. We mix it up some if circumstances call for it.

If the people are not interested in books my bold 9 year old daughter follows zealously with " we do accept donations, even a dollar or two would help !    75% of the homes will either buy books or give a donation from $1-$20. I can never seem to carry enough of the right magabooks because we do not know what will sell. At the end of 4 hours of fast pace work we are pretty well wore out and head come to sort and save.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 04, 2014, 07:18:36 AM

    He'll Deal With That !

John was home this Sunday afternoon as I stopped with the free drawing card from the Home Show. He was very pleasant and said that his wife was working but would be home in two hours. I stopped back then and Jennifer was equally pleasant as she invited me inside. John was occupied with something else so I canvassed Jennifer alone. Mid way through the canvass John passed by and said " Those are really good books. My grandfather used to read them to me when I was a boy." I replied, "that was a good experience wasn't it." "Wouldn't it be nice to give your children that same experience and they could read them to their children some day."   Then he had to leave again to tend to something. I learned early on that Jennifer was Lutheran. I assumed the whole family was but I was incorrect. When it got to the close Jennifer was interested but said she needed to go talk with John about it. It doesn't usually end up good when  the wife presents the $$ figure on the books without me being there to present a price comparison but that's the way this unfolded. While she was down talking to John of course I was praying for another miracle. A lot of miracles happen when out canvassing so it was not beyond the scope of possibility especially with John's former association with the books. They talked a long time. That usually is a good sign. When I heard Jennifer's laughter down stairs that was another good sign. She came up and said, " We'll take them."  The books were the Bible Story set with the Triumph of God's Love (Great Controversy). John then came up and said " I'm a devout Catholic and not happy with the reformation but we'll deal with that." My thoughts were,  as far as I was concerned you can deal with that all you wish as long as you have the Great Controversy in your home. Without his former experience with his grandfather reading the books to him I know that there would not have been a snowballs chance in Hades of him buying the Great Controversy and probably not even the Bible Stories.  His history with the books made the difference.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 04, 2014, 01:59:30 PM
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The young mother stopped at the literature booth at the country fair. I asked her if she would like to answer our question and win a free  book. The question was " Two pigs entered the ark . How many cows went in ?" (according to the KJV)  Hmmmm. She was stumped like most people. Her young son guessed " seven!" . It was a lucky guess but they won a free book. Mother pondered which paperback book to choose. As I described the Steps to Christ, Bible Readings and other books she said, " I don't know much about Revelation." She took the "Mark of the Beast." I invited her to sign up for the drawing. This she did and checked off a few items of interest.
A few weeks later I drove about an hour and stopped at her house in the country. I asked at the door if she  had read the book she received at the fair. She said she had read some of it and it is " kind of scary." 
As she invited me in I explained that I look at Revelation a little like a tornado warning. ( A week previously a tornado came through the area, shook the neighborhood and wiped out several homes in the area) "A tornado warning is given not to scare people but to make them safe so they can prepare for the storm. Better to be a little frightened and safe than the alternative." Mother replied, "I see what you mean. Come and sit down."  I canvassed the Bible Stories and the twelve volume Bible Reference Library. As I was sharing some of the fundamental teachings on the symbols  of prophecy I could tell that she was getting it and when I led up to the Sabbath she knew where I was going and was nodding her head. I stated, " you know where I'm going with this don't you?"  She replied , "yes ! "
At the close it was no small amount to pay but mother stated, " I should talk this over with my husband but  this is important." She wrote out a check for the full amount.
Her husband  has been reading the stories to their children.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 05, 2014, 11:00:14 AM
   
       Oh, Those Little Angels! :evil:

      In the course of the ministry of a colporteur you see many things. Some of the children in the homes are the dearest most polite little cherubim that you could imagine. And then there is a significant number that,.. shall we say,.. are of another nature!
    Chris and I were working together one day and this little guy was one of those that try you and then some. It was nothing a brief trip to the woodshed would not have taken care of but these days in most homes that’s out of the question.
   Little Johnny was in my case constantly and defiantly having his own way. Mother made a few feeble attempts from across the table to make him behave but Johnny had mother figured out.
 
 I had discovered a technique that seems to work when mother’s attempts fail. It works best when mother is not able to see what is happening. As little Johnny reached into my case for the nine hundredth time I subtly clamped down on his hand and squeezed while continuing to smile and visit with mother. I would increase the pressure until he got the message.  This little guy was a little more determined then some so I squeezed accordingly. His face turned red as he ran to the other side of the table and whacked Chris hard right on the head. Chris was a little surprised as he asked with some volume, “ What was that all about?”
    Only Johnny and I knew that he was simply relieving his temper. When we were outside Chris asked what got into the little character. I shared what had happened.
   We both laughed although it really wasn’t very funny. We needed to relieve some tension too!


Chris had another painful experience one day. He approached the house with lead card in hand. A young boy ran up and as Chris said hello the boy made a champion swing and connected below the belt. HELLO!!!  :-o Just then the mother opened the door. Chris was nearly speechless and semi upright as the mother asked why he was there. When he did speak he had gone from a base to a tenor. He said later he would have liked to take the little guy to the wood shed.  ;D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 05, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
  Kevin & Tess

Kevin stopped by our literature booth at the fair late last summer.

I asked if he was familiar with the Bible Stories that we display in medical clinics.

He said that he was and is a doctor himself and would like to get books for his clinic waiting room as he filled out a card for our free drawing. The card revealed that the family is Catholic and consists of three preschool children.

Two weeks later I contacted Kevin and set up an appointment over the phone for Tuesday evening at 7:00 p.m..

 It was raining as I arrived on the appointed evening. It was a big beautiful house positioned across the road from one of the Great lakes.  I was invited in and as we spoke Kevin’s wife Tess said that she is also a physician.

They made a decision for Tess to stay home with the children until they are older.

They recently chose to boot the tv out and said they could not believe how much more peace there was in the home without the tv.

Kevin and Tess purchased multiple sets of the children’s books .
Upon my recommendation they purchased as well Patriarchs and Prophets and the Great Controversy.

I gave them three children’s books to display in Kevin’s clinic waiting room as well as a stand of brochures to display there.

The total of their library came to $872.00.
Kevin asked, “ would it be ok to make the check out for an even $900.00? When is the last time someone gave you another $28.00 just to have an even figure? Of course I allowed him to do so.  :-D

I offered prayer and upon leaving Kevin said that he is very supportive of what we are doing with the literature.

A few weeks later I went in to service the books in the clinic and in the far back room Kevin spotted me. He waved like crazy with a big smile on his face.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 07, 2014, 09:11:38 AM

Highway to Heaven

We had just moved out of the state. I went back for the last load of canned fruit and veggies and arrived  there Friday.
I planned to spend my last Sabbath with friends and then load up Sunday morning and head to our new home to be with my family. On Sabbath I was heading down the interstate to the house of friends in the church. My van has a beautiful  Bible Story logo on each  side window of my van with my cell number. I was traveling on cruise and nice black car passed me. I looked to the side and returned the wave the passenger gave me.  A few seconds later the car dropped back and I moved ahead again.  About that time my cell phone rang. Thinking it was my church friends I took the call. "Hello, you sell the Bible Stories? I am the car that passed you," said the voice on the other end.  I replied that yes, I do and that if he was interested he could follow me to the next exist and we could talk about it. That he did  and then climbed into my vehicle. After some words of acquaintance and his testimony we ended up in a Bible study with my Bible open to Revelation 13:11 among other verses. Interest was peaked. He said that he was up state hunting with some friends but that he does not really care about hunting. This was just an opportunity to talk to friends about Christ. It seems that he recently went through a conversion experience. I said that I was not in a position to do business today but would pass his information along to a representative living down state near him. I left him some publications on prophecy and we parted after 30 minutes of dialog and a prayer.

I found that when I got to my friends house I was 90 minutes late. Your see I had reset my vehicle clock for out of state time and when I returned the night before I forgot to change the clock. The point is that had I reset my clock to the correct time I would have been on the interstate 60 minutes earlier and missed this young man in the black car all together.

I passed his information along to an LE down state who sold him a set of health books and gave him a paperback Great Controversy.

Was the Lord perusing this family ? Well, listen to this. A few weeks later the wife of the man in the black car just happened to make acquaintance with  the SDA pastor's wife down there in an exercise class one day. One thing let to another and a short  time later the family sat in our SDA church there on Sabbath morning. I don't know what their  relationship with our church is right now as we are out of state but I do know the Lord is on their trail.    :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 07, 2014, 09:33:55 AM
 I stopped at the house of a man that mailed in a lead card from the doctor's office. He was outside and said that it would be better for us to go down to the coffee shop and talk because his mother was not well etc etc.. Though it seemed a bit odd I took him down to a restaurant. While there I noticed a whole table of people signing as they were deaf. I decided to give them some literature and found from a couple at the table that were not deaf that at least some of them were JWs. I gave them some free literature which they accepted. When I returned to the table I learned that the man was conning me out of a meal. He acted as though he forgot his money at home and could I cover it ? I saw right through it and realized the whole thing was a set up for a free meal. I suggested he call his mother which he agreed to do and then he ignored the idea and  asked again if I could cover the bill and he would pay me back. While he was in the rest room I seriously considered leaving him there with the bill and without wheels. However, there was in my mind the possibility that if I left him he might approach the JWs, hit them up for a ride and tell them that I dumped him and stuck him with the bill ( his bill as I did not eat or drink anything). That could really back fire on me in terms of witnessing to the witnesses. I didn't want that to happen so I paid the bill. I knew he was not going to pay me back so I did not ask and he did not offer. I was not happy to pay for coffee and a $6.00 plate of onion rings. When I let him off at his house I asked him to think about our experience today and pray about it. I was probably too soft on him but I think he still got the message. He was a smart man and fairly knowledgeable about the Bible. He noticed that my countenance changed once I knew what he was up to and it soured my mood a bit. Then I remembered how many people used Christ just for a free meal. Hopefully he will think about what he did and read the material I left him.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: restoretruth on April 07, 2014, 01:42:42 PM
...When I returned to the table I learned that the man was conning me out of a meal. He acted as though he forgot his money at home and could I cover it ? I saw right through it and realized the whole thing was a set up for a free meal.... 

That took a lot of nerve! There are people like that! Reminds me of a man I knew who used a power wheelchair. He had a nice van equipped with a wheelchair lift, but not driveable because the engine was bad. This man said he had been a member of the Milwaukie(OR) Celebration SDA Church but he was now studying with the Mormons. They offered to fix his van. I wonder if they ever did.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 07, 2014, 05:37:30 PM
...When I returned to the table I learned that the man was conning me out of a meal. He acted as though he forgot his money at home and could I cover it ? I saw right through it and realized the whole thing was a set up for a free meal.... 

That took a lot of nerve! There are people like that! Reminds me of a man I knew who used a power wheelchair. He had a nice van equipped with a wheelchair lift, but not driveable because the engine was bad. This man said he had been a member of the Milwaukie(OR) Celebration SDA Church but he was now studying with the Mormons. They offered to fix his van. I wonder if they ever did.

Does a Celebration SDA church ever lead to anything good ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 07, 2014, 05:41:07 PM

 I want to add the following 3 minute clip to the end of a powerpoint presentation with canvassing experiences. Since on a scale of 1-10 with computers I am about a 3 I have not a clue as to how to do it. Does anyone know how I can add the video clip  to my picture presentation ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 08, 2014, 06:10:58 AM
Is this helpful ?

http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/tlresources/training2/PowerPoint/Adding_a_Video_to_a_Powerpoint_Presentation.pdf (http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/tlresources/training2/PowerPoint/Adding_a_Video_to_a_Powerpoint_Presentation.pdf)

I looked at other links but the one above seemed the most helpful.

other resource links
http://gethelp.library.upenn.edu/workshops/biomed/ppt/video.html (http://gethelp.library.upenn.edu/workshops/biomed/ppt/video.html)

http://www.labnol.org/software/insert-youtube-video-in-powerpoint-presentations/5393/ (http://www.labnol.org/software/insert-youtube-video-in-powerpoint-presentations/5393/)

http://humanities.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/cohic/ppt_embedding_videos.pdf (http://humanities.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/cohic/ppt_embedding_videos.pdf)

http://movieclips.com/about/powerpoint/ (http://movieclips.com/about/powerpoint/)
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http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/how-to-add-video-to-powerpoint-presentations/ (http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/how-to-add-video-to-powerpoint-presentations/)

http://goanimate.com/ (http://goanimate.com/)

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http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/press-and-mentions-a-creative-exercise-for-writing-your-video-script-2/ (http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/press-and-mentions-a-creative-exercise-for-writing-your-video-script-2/)
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CPK  would you like to canvas these folks by video ?

http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/the-people-behind-the-product-meet-the-goanimate-team/ (http://goanimate.com/video-maker-tips/the-people-behind-the-product-meet-the-goanimate-team/)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 08, 2014, 06:26:50 AM

 Thanks Ed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 08, 2014, 06:28:11 AM




Getting Started Can be half the Fun;


 Literature Evangelist Kenneth Jenkins didn't have to worry about what to say in order to get in the door. He drove his car into the farmyard, parked it, and started for the farm house when he saw a huge Holstein bull grazing in the yard. The bull looked up, startled. It snorted, bellowed, and started for Kenneth, who is six feet two inches tall and weighs nearly 300 pounds.

    Holding tight to his briefcase, Kenneth started back toward his car but couldn't get there quickly enough. He hadn't run much since his football days, but he headed for the house. He hoped that after one circle around the house he could jump up onto the porch, but the bull was too close behind. The second time around he succeeded in landing on the porch with such effect that he crashed through a floor board. The lady of the house by this time had opened the front door and in he ducked, expecting that the bull would follow. The huge animal meekly stopped at the porch, however.

   The lady said to her little daughter, "Darling, please go put the bull back in the barnyard." The child went out, picked up a little switch, and drove the hulking creature back where he belonged and shut the gate. The lady must have been properly impressed by Kenneth's unusual introduction, for she readily bought a set of books for her little girl.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 08, 2014, 06:35:53 AM
Mackenzie and John is a nice young couple but at the close of the canvass they made it clear that they would not be buying any books. I canvassed the Bible Stories and the Triumph of God's Love and as a drop down when they said they could not purchase them I showed  5 magabooks which included the Great Controversy, God's Answers to Your Questions ( Bible Readings) and three children's books. However, they continued  with excuses about how they needed the funds as they were getting married and were finishing off their basement, etc,etc,.

What to do ?  I asked a question that led into the book of Revelation and they showed an interest. Their interest developed and we ended up in a Bible Study but without a Bible as they could not find their Bible for the life of them. I talked about Daniel 7 and Rev. 13 as they hunted, but no Bible. I asked if they  wanted to know I could run out and get mine. I returned with it and we had  what I would describe as a power packed one hour Bible study that normally would have taken 2-3 hours.  It was pumped. We talked about the seal and the mark, 666, and the calendar change, the papacy , the scarlet woman, the city on 7 hills and the beast of Rev. 13:11 that had horns like a lamb but speaks as a Dragon. Interest increased through out the study and at the end I gave them a paperback book "Mark of the Beast." Mackenize responded, "  that's for ,me? "There is a whole book on that ?!   I replied, "yes, there is a whole book on that. If I was just here to sell books I would have been gone an hour ago but this topic is important. What is more important than you not being deceived  and lost ?" Mackenize replied, "would you get those  5 books back out again, I think we will take those." She wrote out a check for $60 and they repeatedly thanked me for coming. We must convince people that we have more than just good books but rather, books with essential truth for this time.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on April 08, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
I enjoy your stories here.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 08, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
I enjoy your stories here.

Thanks, Tammy.


One evening  I stopped at Tracy's house. She is a single mother who works at Casey's and has a 5 year old daughter. She wept as she told me how her mother abused her and then how her sister took her year old son from her because she was homeless and hooked on crack. She does not know where her sister lives and there is no communication therefore she is not able to know anything about her now 8 year old son. When her daughter was born she dumped the crack habit entirely not wanting to lose her daughter. She is trying to follow the Lord and get her life on track. She feels that she is not worthy to find her son and perhaps there is no husband out there that would not abuse her somehow.  She purchased three magabooks and I left her several  free publications and had prayer with her.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 09, 2014, 04:18:24 PM
 I stopped at the home of Irvin and Elleen. Irvin had sent in a health lead card from the doctor's office. Irvin answered the door and I could hear his wife say, " what do they want?" I could tell she was not excited that a salesman was there. While sitting at the table with Irvin I tried to warm up to his wife who sat in a recliner facing away and watching TV. I went on to give a mini health seminar and I could tell she was listening. She rose up after a while and came to the table and say down with us. That was a good sign. She was interested and the barrier was coming down. Then their son and daughter in law stopped by and they too showed an interest in the books before leaving.  I canvassed the 3 volumes of Encyclopedia of Foods , the Natural Remedies, and the Great Controversy Illustrated. Irvin  said to his wife, "I'm gonna get em and we can use them with all of the family." I offered prayer in the Catholic home and left some free literature. Although I could tell that  my prayer was unusual for them it looked like Irvin was teary eyed when I finished.

We are told in the Spirit of Prophecy that a home is never the same after we have offered prayer there.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 09, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
The health lead card took me to a modest rural home. No one was home so I drove about 20 miles and picked up a delinquent payment from a family that purchased health books a few months ago. They kindly wrote out a check and caught up their account with penalty. This was an interesting home. The husband looks so tough like he would bite your head off. Tattoos, scars, and rings everywhere and yet so polite. As I was leaving he told me he was smoking a pork roast on the grill. I wanted so much to say something but only said, " please read your books and apply the information."

I then  canvassed a couple who were most interested in the books. However, tomorrow they are going to court because they cannot pay their medical bills. They still purchased 3 maga books one being the GC and post dated the check for 2 weeks. They were so moved by the visit.

Next was a couple that just built a new house out in the country. The canvass went well but the couple was not so spiritually minded. They purchased 5 magabooks just the same.

I ate lunch and headed back to the first home again with the health lead. They were home this time. Susie and Al are in their 60's. They both have serious health problems such as bypass surgery, diabetes and a host of other issues.  The canvass was going  very well. Al was quiet and though I could tell from the onset he was not real hip on "salesman" I did get a couple of smiles out of him during the canvass. I think he was warmed up pretty good and Susie very much so. Then their  40 something year old son walked in and he was something to behold. He was sarcastic, rude,  a scar over one eye and with a chew in one hand and a foul mouth to go with it. It was like the devil walked in. I wanted to tell him that I have seen snotty nosed teenagers who had more respect for people than he. I restrained. There would be time to be more direct when I left especially if he killed the canvass, which it really appeared like he had accomplished.  It would be likely if I spoke hard against the son that mother would cool off toward  me rather than feel sorry for me.  The feeling sorry for me only seemed to make her more determined to get the books. The son said the books were a waste of money in between a cuss word here and there. Then he asked me how much of the $400 was profit. I told him that was my business. He was most disrespectful to his mother and his father just sat there. When Susie said she wanted the books her husband said he would not read them but would throw them out.  He took on the personality of his son. The great controversy was certainly happening in that home. Then the son said that she could get any question answered she wanted by just calling up her doctor, the one who is into regression therapy and reincarnation. I looked at him with raised eyebrows. Then he told his mother that the reason she is having problems with her ankles and wrists is because in her past life she was a slave and was tied up a lot. Susie said, I don't believe any of that stuff and I want to get those books but I want my husband's approval !"  Then both the son and his father tried to talk her into getting just 1 book instead of 5. She wanted them all. I stated that it would not take many doctors visits to pay for the books. Her husband got up and left the room while the son continued blabbering mostly nonsense. I said little as Susie argued with her son.  She made comment, " I work too and I want the books." When it seemed like it would take a miracle for this to go through her husband returned with a blank check. I could taste victory but was still cautious. I wrote out the check and gave her the receipt and check to sign. Her husband took the receipt and looked at it but did not say a word.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 09, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
The rest of the story-

Once Susie's decision was made and the battle was over the son became more pleasant. I gave mother a couple of pieces of free literature and she asked when the books would arrive. I replied that she had them in her hands. She was delighted. When I offered to have prayer I expected her son to make fun of it. However, he didn't say a word and after the prayer I could tell they were all touched. Mother said that this was very interesting. She was probably expecting a Catholic version. I shook hands with all three and as the son walked me to the door he said, " I'm sorry for giving you such a hard time." I replied, "well, I guess it is good for my character." The three kind of chuckled.  I certainly did not expect our visit to end that way but it was a welcome surprise.

They ended up with about 3,000 pages of material  including the Great Controversy Illustrated.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 09, 2014, 04:33:59 PM
the next day, its not over yet  

The great controversy rages on. This morning the lady called and wanted to cancel her order for the books. She, or one of her family read into the Great Controversy and saw the "Catholic bashing."  I shared with her that the book is not bashing Catholics and pointed out the history and things that are damaging to those who do  not understand. I said it was like what I shared with them about baking powder, aluminum, and Alzheimers. It is truth that is shared and it exposes  that which is harmful.   She said she is sending back the Great Controversy and she is currently in the valley of discussion on what to do with the health books. It will take a miracle for her to retain the books as both her husband and son worked against her when she purchased the books and it is for certain that they are working against her now. Irrespective of the outcome I will be sending her a nice letter/study building up the Bible and revealing some clear errors in Catholicism. She says she has the Bible and implied that that was all she needs. I want to show her how strongly the RCC contradicts the Bible. She is very sweet and honest and this will certainly plant doubts in her mind regarding the RCC. I am praying about this, currently putting together a study, and fasting today. It is always hard to know whether to place the GC or the DA with a health set. We are told that more than any other the Lord wants the GC in every home. The DA will draw the person close to Christ and for those who die before Jesus comes that may be all that's necessary. However, for those that go through the time of Trouble the GC is so important. The problem is that we do not know who will be alive and who will be laid to rest before that time. I sell hundreds of GCs to Catholics but obviously there is always a risk factor.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 09, 2014, 04:40:28 PM
Conclusion of the rest of the story.

Yesterday was the last day for which Susie could cancel her order. We had an ice storm and many stayed home. How interesting that when the children and I went to the Walmart grocery store to buy a few things of all people we run into Susie and her husband. They live put in the country several miles from town. I was braced for her to use this opportunity to tell me she was going to return the books and ask for their money back. However we briefly made friendly small talk and went our ways. I wondered why with so few people in the store our two families happened to be in their simultaneously. What could that mean?  I was impressed that this was the Lord's reminder to pray more for the couple. I did so and have not heard from them since. I have been praying that they would retain ALL of the books including the GC. We'll see what happens but there is good reason for hope. If they were going to reject even the health books I think she would have called back and stated so. The cancellation period has elapsed. Whether or not I receive the GC  in the mail I will send a lengthy Bible study to Susie.

Several months have now passed since the books were purchased and all is well. All the books that were purchased have been retained.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 10, 2014, 05:41:26 PM


While in the airport there was a nice looking young man seated next to me. I was alert to an opportunity to give someone a book but this man was so shy that there was no communication or even eye contact. I thought "Lord I need a miracle in terms of communication and I need a sign. If this young man says even one word to me or my family that would be a miracle and that would be my sign." I very much doubted that this would happen given the extreme timidity of the person. However, I forgot how easy it is for God to work. My wife unknowingly dropped her cell phone on the carpet as we sat there and the man said, "miss, you dropped your phone." There was the sign but an opportunity still did not seem to present itself and a minute later we were called to board the plane. Did I miss my chance ? Was I not bold enough? To try to present the man with a book under that circumstance did not seem appropriate. Another sign was asked for. If the man was seated near me I would certainly give him a book no matter what. When I was seated I saw that he was only two seats behind me. I thanked him for saving my wife's phone and presented him with a gift. The thank you was the excuse I needed to give him a book and the short delay in doing so made it appear spontaneous.

I am increasingly aware that if we have literature and are looking for opportunities God will place us before the right people on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 10, 2014, 05:50:04 PM


I had to ask all over town to find the house as my GPS could not identify the address and the first 5 people I asked had not heard of the place. Finally after asking the police and a few others I found the house  but no one was home. Another time I stopped but no one home. I stopped again tonight and the young man was so happy to  see me. His response was " I was wondering if you would come here." He had signed up for the drawing at the fair. He is a single parent and has a 4 year old daughter,  is  Catholic, former altar boy, and not faithful in church attendance but discovering his Bible. I believe he is going through conversion. He lives in a new housing complex and sells insurance. Brad is the type of fellow you just love to sit across from, very cooperative, very responsive, and a sponge. He wanted the Bible Stories and Bible Reference Library but felt the $$ amount was a little to much to take with one bite. When I said that I would sell them to him 10 months same as cash he was delighted and gave me $200 down on the credit card and I wrote it up. I left him free literature and offered prayer. Brad was waiting for someone to come with the books. There are people all over the country waiting for something like this to be made available to them.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 11, 2014, 06:12:39 AM


      The Little Blue Car

 Doug owned a little blue car. And… Doug had a very interesting back ground and personality. Let’s just say sometimes he had an attitude.  This colporteur  was a city boy and when he received a lead from the country he would murmur a bit. You see, like the rest of us, he would get lost sometimes trying to find addresses in the country. Personally, I would choose one country lead over 5 city leads any time, but not Doug.

 Finally after avoiding the country lead for some time Doug surrendered and decided to brave the country. However, he responded, “ oh I hate running country leads. I always get lost”!
 
 While out searching for the address in the country what do you supposed happened to the man with the little blue car ?  Yes, you guessed it, he got lost and could not find the address.

 “Oh, I hate running  lead cards in the country, Lord!” You know I always get lost.”  If that wasn’t bad enough his car chugged to a halt and would not start. Doug threw up his hands and boy did he murmur, “ This is another  fine mess you’ve gotten me into, Lord !” I am lost in the country and now my car has broke down.” “ What a fine mess you’you've gotten me into !,” he said as he exited the car and raised the hood. He stood looking at t he engine but it was know use. Doug did not know the difference between a muffler belt and a radiator clutch.

   About that time a man appeared beside Doug and asked, “ What is the  problem?”  The man observing that Doug was well dressed asked, “ what kind of work do you do?” “Why are you doing out  here?”

 When Doug explained, the man said, “ I think my wife would like to see you.”  Why not?” thought Doug, still a bit frustrated, " I'm to going anywhere real soon."  So, he picked up his case and headed for the house. The man’s wife met him at the door and invited him in after Doug stated why he was there. During the canvass the wife and mother said, “ you know I had a dream last night!  In the dream a man came to my house with a little blue car ! He had books that I was supposed to buy.”  Of course she purchased a full set of  books for her family.

 When Doug returned to his car the lady’s  husband said, “ why don’t  you get in and try it again.” That he did and the car purred like a kitten. Of course the man had not so much as touched the car, but God had. Off when Doug whistling a tune and sorry he had complained about his troubles.

So the next time you think you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and all is not going well consider that perhaps you are right where God wants you and for a divine purpose.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 11, 2014, 06:32:50 AM
 Pastor George Dronen canvassed for many years as an LE, and a publishing director. He is up in years now  but still scratches the pad from time to time when he is not putting on publishing seminars and putting out fires in the local churches.

Years ago George was trying to get the Dakota Conference president on board in terms of supporting the canvassing work with funding. He invited the president to come along canvassing with him. The president dragged his feet but after much encouragement said ," Ok, I'll go."   

During the day they knocked on the door of one particular house and were invited in. They sat at the table and George of course did the canvassing.  George canvassed the Bible stories but the man said, " not interested."  George canvassed the Bible Reference Library, and an  inspiring canvass I'm sure it was but the man again said, " I'm not interested."  Amazing !      So, George pulled out Daniel and Revelation and began to canvass the two books.

All of the sudden the prospect put his hands on his head and closed his eyes as though his head hurt, saying with a loud voice almost a shout, "wait a minute!  wait a minute ! I saw those books in a dream last night. I saw those very books."    George being much impressed continued to canvass. A few minutes later again the man put his hands on his head and said even louder, " wait a minute ! It's all coming back to me. I saw both of you men in a dream last night." Pointing at George he said, " You were holding the books. You were showing me the books and you (pointing to the conference president) were right beside him. In the dream I purchased the books!"     

Well, do you think he bought the books ?     :-D

Do you think that George had the full support of the Conference president after that ?    :-o
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 11, 2014, 06:57:04 AM
         


  Can the Dead Speak ?


The man was probably in his late 50's. As I commonly do when canvassing  the Spirit of Prophecy books at one point I touched on the topic " Can We Speak with the Dead?" I often get some very interesting responses to that.  During this part of the canvass the man said, " I have an interesting story to tell you."   The following is his story.


Dad was in the hospital and we were told he was dying. We called all the children to come to the hospital as dad might not last too much longer. My sister lived several states away and was on her way. It had been a hot, dry , dusty summer, and as we were sitting around the bed my brother tried to cut the tension by saying, " dad, when you pass why don't you send us some rain?"  Dad, said, "sure."  Everyone kind of chuckled.
As dad's condition worsened we knew the end was near for him. All of the sudden the EKG line went flat and the alarm sounded with a steady signal. Dad had died. The nurse quickly appeared and took his pulse.  She said ," I'm sorry, your father is gone." About that time his eye lids fluttered open and he began to speak. He said with a longing tone, " I see mamma (his deceased wife). There's mamma. I see aunt Betty."   The nurse responded, this cannot be !  He has no vital signs ! There is no brain activity !  This cannot be !

Then dad's eyes closed and that was it. Not one of us said a word. Suddenly there was a mighty crack of  thunder and a flash of lightening followed by a torrential rain storm.  Then one of my brothers, said lightheartedly, " well, dad said he would bring rain, didn't he ?"


I shared with my prospect Eccl. 9:5-6 and we talked about it a bit before he purchased the books. Oh, how the people need our books ! This is an experience I will never forget.

Ecclesiastes   9:5   For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 
 9:6   Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:21:59 PM

      More Witnessing to the Witnesses

  The first lead card took me to a near by town and the home of a single mother soon to marry a Jehovah Witness. She is a Catholic and realizes that the JWs may pose her a problem since they often tend  to cause alot conflict in the home when the spouse does not join their church. I shared the health books and then followed with the Bible Readings stating that the book may be a big help when she and her fiancée or husband have a disagreement about the Bible. She purchased the six volume set on a 10 mo. same as cash plan.


  The next lead took me to an area 30 miles away. My GPS took me to a house in the country where a chain linked gate crossed the end of the lane. I stopped and looked up the drive to the house and saw no cars. I left intending to follow another interest. After a half mile down the road a thought came to mind, “ since when do you let a gate stop you?”  I turned around and drove  back parking at the gate. It was not locked to I opened it far enough for myself and my prospectus to get through and walked up the lane to the house. Upon approaching the door I could see that there were moving bodies inside. An elderly gentlemen came to the door. I explained the reason for my visit. For some reason I was impressed to be more tender, more polite, and sweeter than perhaps I have ever been before. I explained that I did not wish to drive through the gate considering it might not meet with their approval. The elderly man responded in kind, stating that he had just closed the gate, and to by all means bring up my vehicle. That I did and met the two inside. Since the lead was a health lead I canvassed the Encyclopedia of Foods and Natural Remedies. The couple were sweet beyond measure. When I pulled out the BRL prospectus they politely said, “we are Jehovah Witnesses.”

“Oh!” I said. This surprised me because more often than not a JW gives themselves away early but I didn’t have a clue. I did notice the back of a brochure in the man’s shirt pocket that said Bible on it but had not considered who they might be. I wished now I would have continued with the SOP but I put the book away stating that I knew somewhat how the JWs relate to other’s literature. I still had intention of getting the couple SOP books but not to sell them the books. I don’t know if that was a mistake or not but this is what I did. I wish now I would have pursued the Great Controversy book with them.  Since the JW were former Catholics we talked some about that which we both have in common in that respect. They asked me what I knew about a one world religion. This gave me opportunity to talk about the universal aspect of Sunday, a pagan holiday  which the papacy and others are pushing for. Their reply was “oh, is that what is going to happen?” They did not have the typical resistance we see from JWs.

  They purchased the Foods books and Natural Remedies. I presented them with a Darkness Before Dawn and a Passion of Love book. The gentlemen paged through the books for several minutes. Then I asked the question that never (almost) gets a yes from the JW, “ Is it ok if I offer a prayer?” They acted a bit squeamish but did not say “No.” As we had from time to time said things that were a little light hearted I said, “ Did I put you on the spot?” and then I grinned from ear to ear. The gentlemen answered, “well, we pray to the Father in Jesus name.” I answered, “so do I.”  He continued, “but the Father has a name, Jehovah.” Since,  the Bible uses the name Jehovah interchangeably for both Christ and the Father I answered, “ I don’t have a problem with that.””We use the name Jehovah in our literature.” “ You do?” they replied. “What church do you belong to?”  “ SDA” I answered. “ That’s Mormon, right ? but you changed your name” said the lady.  “ No, we are not Latter day Saints or Mormon, not even close.” “Oh, that’s a relief “, said the woman. I continued, “we tend to get thrown into the same basket with Mormons just like you do because our churches are not as large as the mainline churches.” I knelt and offered a prayer. The man praised my work and said we need to keep an open mind. Oddly, they never offered me a single page of literature but took mine. While driving out to the gate the man jogged ahead to open it for me. At the gate I handed the man a National Sunday Law. The old man said, “ you are going a great work, son.”
    This devout family broke several cardinal JW rules.  Their sweet spirit (the Holy Spirit) overruled the JW mandates that keep their people in bondage. They purchased books, accepted SDA spiritual books, and allowed me to pray in their home. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:36:01 PM
   

 Shall We Barter ?


  It was a Bible Story lead card sent in by Pete from a city on one of the Great Lakes.  I stopped by the home and talked with his wife Laura. She indicated that it would be best to talk to her husband.  I called and talked to Pete. He was interested but since he owns  the Kirby business and sells seven days a week it would be hard to connect with him for a presentation.  He is on the road most of the time. Whenever we talked by cell he would show interest but wasn’t ever available. He would end with, “but don’t give up on me. “

      As we are about to move out of state, I called Pete again Sunday and left a message that this would likely be our last  opportunity to get together. I determined that plan B would be to canvass him over the phone for the books and plan C would be to canvass his wife alone.
 
      Since, I did not hear back from Pete a couple of hours after leaving the message I headed the opposite direction to  city M and then down to  city O to follow a few interests there. My daughter wanted to work with me so she was along. Upon making the first visit in city M no one was home  and as I was leaving the door my cell phone rang. I took the call. It was Pete. He said that he would be at his business office at  3:00 p.m today. Wow. I was 90 minutes away and heading another direction when he called. What to do?  “Let’s do it,” I said. Pete continued, I will have my whole family with me so this will be unusual.”  My response, “ Well, I will have my daughter with me as she wanted to canvass with Daddy before we leave the state.” “ Cool”, “that’s sweet”, said Pete.  He continued, “ what you are selling is more important. You’re selling the Lord.”  I replied, “ it is all necessary, Pete.”  Off we went at a goodly pace toward Pete and picking up my wife and son on the way by.
   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:37:12 PM

    Part II

  Pete, Laura, and their daughter, Angel arrived  at their business office at 3:30 p.m.. Pete stated that we did not have a lot of time as he had an appointment soon and some other things to do. Even so, he tended to be chatty and prolonged the canvass quite a bit. It was apparent late in the canvass that they were quite interested in last day events. We did a mini Bible study on the topic and I noticed Laura nodding her head every little while as though she was in agreement and digesting our study. I was confident that they would purchase books but how much was the question. Pete had a fair amount of inventory but was currently cash poor and they had some large bills. In the back of my mind when we arrived I had considered the possibility of doing a trade  with Pete, with books for a Kirby.  So when Pete made the offer I was ready to accept. He traded a top of the line vacuum with all the bells and whistles for a 41 volume library which included just about everything we carry in hardcover. Pete added $250 worth of shampoos and other extras. When I showed them the 6 volumes of health books included in the package Laura was all over them with interest. 
   Mean while Angel and my daughter had struck up a wonderful friendship and were touring the building arms around each other. Pete and Laura game me a comprehensive demonstration with all the operating tips and our paperwork on both ends took some more time. They asked that I write something memorable in their Bible so they would remember our visit. Then we took pictures of our families holding the books and spreads. They intend to blow up a picture, laminate it, and put it in the Bible.
I offered prayer as we all kneeled on the floor and held hands. Pete and Laura said repeatedly that God was leading in this all the way. In our combined 40+ years of canvassing neither of us has ever canvassed with  families together like that.
A short time later we were talking with SDA friends in town and told them of the experience. “We know those people!” they said, “ they went through two entire evangelistic series by D T  and attended church for a while.  They stopped coming because Peter was on the road so much selling.
Pete and family do not realize that we are SDAs or that SDAs  publish the books.
 
   The Lord is pursuing this family with a passion. What a privilege to be a part of that. I would never have spent that kind of money on a vacuum. However we will enjoy the vacuum and bask in the realization that this family has the most wonderful and truth filled Christian Library in the world, preparing them for final events. When this family reads pointed truth in these books, light bulbs will go on and I believe the truth will be accepted like an old friend . Not only this but we are told in the SOP that our blessed experience with their family will be another stepping stone to them further accepting the truth. When they read life changing truth they will have a picture in their mind of the servants that God sent to their door. In this instance they will also have a literal picture of our families in their Family Bible.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:44:06 PM


     Work And Pray

     I often called and set up appointments on Sunday evening. This was the situation here. I arrived the next week at the address, which took me to a motel on the main street.
 The mother was outside with the children blowing bubbles as I drove up. As we went inside and visited she explained that she and her husband manage the motel and live in the back. They both had other part time jobs as well. She had always wanted the Bible Stories but was hesitant to purchase them without her husband’s approval.
 That she did though with the Great Controversy as well. I had the Bible stories with me but explained that the other two adult volumes would be delivered in two weeks.
   Two days later I received a phone call from the mother. She was in tears as she said that her husband came home and flew into a rage when he saw the books.
     She said, “He screamed, “ How much were they $50.00….$100.00 !” She continued, “ I lied to him about the price of the books.” She explained that she was aware that her husband was being selfish but she had to live with him and in order to keep peace would I take the books back. She shared that they were having serious marriage problems and were going to counseling. Her spouse had been in Vietnam and his hard-core father had tried to push he and his brothers into becoming priests. Her husband had rebelled against all authority especially church authority.
   I told her to tell her husband that she had cancelled the order but to keep the books for a little while and see what happens. I explained, “ We will all pray for a miracle, and you pray too!” I tacked the order to my bulletin board at home. Every day Damarys and I prayed that somehow her husband’s heart would be changed. The church prayed as well.
     A week later the mother called and with excitement in her voice she said, “send the order through we’re keeping the books!” She explained that she had the books out on the
table ready to send back when her husband asked what she was doing. She told him that she was getting the children’s books ready to go back.
  Her husband replied,  “ I didn’t say you had to send them back.”
  “Send the order in,” she repeated. “ My daughter was so happy that we could keep the books.” The mother finished, “ My husband has shown a marked improvement in his attitude since these books came into the home.”

“ Pray Humbly and Fervently.- Humble, fervent prayer would do more in behalf of the circulation of our books than all the expensive embellishments in the world. If the workers will turn their attention to that which is true and real; if they will pray for, believe for, and trust in the Holy Spirit, His power will be poured upon them in strong, heavenly currents, and right and lasting impressions will be made upon the human heart. Then pray and work and work and pray, and the Lord will work with you.” Testimonies,  vol. 6, p. 319
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:48:17 PM

   
     WHEN DO WE GET OUR BOOKS ? 
     

   I had been to the house a couple of times before with no one home.
This evening the mother came to the door. As I explained why I was there the father appeared and invited me in. The couple are school teachers; the father a history teacher in the seventh grade and the mother a special education teacher.
 We had a nice visit, but at the close there was no way they were going to make a decision without thinking about it overnight.
   I stated that with all the folks I had to visit I would not be able to return, as I would not even get to all the people the first time. I explained that I appreciated them wanting to be able to discuss the decision and offered to go to my van and do some paperwork allowing them all the time they needed to talk about it. This they agreed to.
    I prayed fervently for a miracle and after ten to fifteen minutes the father came to the door and waved me in. As I stepped inside he said to his two little girls, “What do you have to say this nice the man?”  With a harmony like something you would hear in a song the little girls stated together with toothless boldness, “ Whennn… do…we… get… our… booksssssth?”

  I answered in harmony, “ How... about.... tonight? !”

I delivered the Bible Stories volumes 1-10 with the promise of delivering the Triumph Of God’s Love in two weeks.

“Looking up to heaven in supplication, present yourselves to God as His servants, and all that you have as His, saying: "Lord, of Thine own we freely give Thee." Standing in view of the cross of Calvary and the Son of the infinite God crucified for you, realizing that matchless love, that wonderful display of grace, let your earnest inquiry be: "Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do?" He has told you: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15. When you see souls in the kingdom of God saved through your gifts and your service, you will rejoice that you had the privilege of doing this work… The same power that the apostles had is now for those who will do God’s service.” Testimonies  vol. 6, p. 480
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 04:55:37 PM

   They Say We Are a Peculiar People !   ;D


     Because of a recent move I would be working a new territory in another state.  As we were on our way to a small town to look for housing in the country I stopped at an Amish farmhouse to ask some questions about property in the country. A lady was weeding her small flower garden next to the house. I approached her with a Bible Story brochure in my hand and struck up a conversation finishing with a brief description of the books and leaving her with the brochure.
    A few weeks later I received a lead card in the mail from an Amish family. I didn’t know where the address was and followed the fire number. It was confusing and I searched for some time for the address and stopped at two houses asking for directions. It turned out that at neither house was the family known. As I narrowed down the only option left where the residence might be it took me in a round about way to the home with the big saw mill where I stopped a few weeks ago and talked with the woman weeding her flowers. The card was addressed to her husband, Herman and I found that he was working on the new little schoolhouse down the road a mile or so.
    As we visited briefly he asked if I could return in an hour and a half. I returned at the appointed time and he and his wife, Mattie, sat on the wooden swing outside with their seven children scattered on each side with the littlest sitting on mother’s lap. Just as I was ready to open my prospectus a bird left his mark on my thumb and prospectus. Father apologized. I looked over at the child to my right and said, “ That will probably make my thumb grow longer. You’ve heard of a green thumb haven’t you?” The comments were followed with chuckles. A while later I asked one of the children to run to my van and fetch my old Bible from the dash so I could share something with the family. When I opened the Bible another bird left his mark on it from the tree above. It would have been just like Satan to be up there squeezing those birds.

   As the evening drew on, the oldest daughter next to me held the lantern as the Lord had the whole family’s complete attention. At the close the order was written for the thirty three-volume library which included the twelve volume message book set. I received a check for payment in full.

    Father finished with a comment that they had purchased World Book encyclopedias eight years ago and they didn’t care how much the set cost when they bought them. I’m sure they felt every bit the same and more so about our spiritual books.
    Isn’t it interesting how a family like this can feel that secular books are priceless when some folks out there today see our soul winning books as too costly?
     I returned to the home a year later and they purchased our medical sets.

Two years after we left the state a friend called and said that a SDA church member connected with this Amish family involving some kind of work. The SDA said we cannot do this on the Sabbath. Herman asked, "Are you SDA?" The man responded, "yes." Herman continued, "OH SDAs are such wonderful people. You are a peculiar people. A young SDA man  stopped by our house a few years ago and we purchased books from him. You are a blessed people !"
   As you can imagine that made my day. It is not often that an LE gets any feedback other than when he is in the home.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 15, 2014, 05:04:57 PM
They were all sitting around the table snapping green beans. The mother that was supposed to be the key interest didn't seem all that interested. In fact it didn't seem like anyone listening was really into the canvass. Then a lady with a hand full of beans, I think a relative said, sounding a little miffed, " Are you trying to tell me my kids are not going to heaven if they don't have these books! ?" 
     I replied, "That's not what I'm saying." " It's like trying to hoe your garden. You can use a stick... or you can use a nice sharp hoe." These books are a tool...like a nice sharp hoe." With that brief comment everything seemed to pivot in the right direction and the lady moments later purchased a 12 volume set of books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 16, 2014, 08:54:12 AM

     The Amish are Coming !


       While working door to door in an Amish community I was met out in the yard by Monroe and Elsie.
They are a very humble, kind, and sincere Amish couple that showed an interest in healthful living.

 As I shared with them our health books Monroe said, I have never seen books like this ! I have always wanted books like this.

They purchased a seven volume library of books which included the Great Controversy.

I stopped back a second time and placed another set of health books in their home as I canvassed Monroe while sitting in his office out at the shop..

A third visit to Monroe’s office included a brief Bible study on Prophecy and the Sabbath.  He was all ears and gave evidence of agreeing with the identification of the beast of Revelation 13:11. I left pointed material on the Sabbath in prophecy.

Monroe related that there has been a shaking in his church. I asked if it was the old liberal conservative clash. He nodded.

By God’s grace in a short period of time over $2000.00 worth of our books were placed within a two mile radius of Monroe and Elsie’s home as others in the settlement purchased as well.

One day soon we will see some of these people depart from Babylon and join God’s faithful remnant that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus!.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 19, 2014, 02:17:06 PM
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Sent to the Saints !

I had stopped at the home perhaps a dozen times in this high income area and never anyone home.  Upon approaching the residence one more time there is a light on and a car parked outside. Hurrah ! There would be closure on this  one way or another.  As I rang the door bell I admired the house. It is quite a house but then this is the wealthiest division in the whole city and all the houses were  that way. Demi opened the door and when I explained the reason for my call she replied, I was wondering why it took you so long to come."  She invited me in and the young Mormon mother was very receptive. During the canvass her husband Mosiah arrived. This native American was very stoic and said little but was friendly. Knowing their religious affiliation from their free drawing card from the Home Show I came as close to them as I could without sacrificing principle and said, " I too believe in modern day prophets. The book of Joel is clear about that and we would  be warned in the last days about all prophets and not just false prophets  if there were no true prophets." Demi  nodded her head in agreement. I couldn't help but wonder where this young couple got all their income for this new house with Mosiah  going to school and Demi being home but that was not my business and it really doesn't matter.
At the close she asked her husband what he thought and he said it was up to her. She purchased the Bible Stories and Bible Readings For the Home. Later I sent them a book in the mail " Prophet of the End." When I stopped by for the photo I gave them a Mark of the Beast paperback as a gift. While talking with them I learned that they were having issues with dairy and were using soy milk. I talked a bit about dairy and health. Demi showed a desire to see our health books. I plan to return soon and place the health set and another Spirit of Prophecy book.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 19, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
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We were staying at this high dollar hotel in the city about 4 hours from home. My wife's employer (you  :-D )paid for it. ( our stay) Inside the building in the main lower level room is where the large meetings of various kinds are held and meals are  catered. In two opposing corners  there are clear glass elevators that seem to be going up or down most of the time in the eight floor building and there is a waterfall in one area. In the corner of the room as you enter there is a  large,  very nice rack with brochures of all the city attractions. In one spot there was a front row spot just asking for the placing of a Bible Story brochure. So I discreetly placed a brochure there thinking, " You never know." I also left brochures and free books in our room and gave a few to the maids and janitors.
A few weeks later I received a Bible Story lead card in the mail addressed to a home in the city. I supposed that maybe the maid mailed in a card. A back lady responded to my phone call and we set up an appointment.  I found the address in a most humble and ethnically diverse neighborhood about two miles from the hotel. Crystal is a black lady and she was attending some kind of church meeting in the Hotel and saw the brochure. I canvassed she and her husband and they purchased a 12 volume set of books which included the Bible Readings.  Sow beside many waters. We know not what will be the result.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 19, 2014, 05:34:29 PM
wonderful.... we can sow seeds everywhere and of every variety of plant....

love the titles [by the way] of each story
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 19, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
 Happy to share Newbie;

 When I do share the stories I kind of re live the experience. As you know there are some tough spots too like last week when someone called the police and said I was harassing them. What was frustrating was that I was sweet as honey at the door and they were too. The family was leaving on vacation and since they told me that at the door they got to wondering if I was scoping the place out. So they used the term "harassment" with the police so he would take them seriously. The young officer was really nice about it. I told him that I could understand their concern but to lie about my visit was not nice. I showed him the card they had filled out requesting information  and when they said they would not be free right now I asked if later in the day would work. They said, "no they were going on vacation." I asked, "would you like me to stop back another time?" The husband said, " If you'd like" and off I went. If he would have been crabby and if I would have used a short tone of voice with him I could perhaps understand his exaggerating and calling it harassment. That was not the case.

The next day I canvassed a man in town who likewise requested information on his drawing card from the Sport's Show. He was peculiar acting and I was never quite sure what was going on with him. At times he seemed receptive and at other times he seemed a little bit unstable. Toward the end of the canvass he kind of snapped and said I was really stupid for going door to door and the average person in the Midwest owns 5 guns. I replied very calmly, " Jesus went to people's homes and I am  not afraid of guns." Of course he showed me immediately to the door.  I would have liked to have that one back and said a couple of things differently. I think the bottom line was he just wanted the free gifts I promised and when they were not up to what he had expected  he was not too happy with me.

Not every day is all miracles accept for perhaps miracles that we do not get shot or slugged. I've been threatened a couple times by drunks and bitten a few times (by dogs). Talked to the police a number of times but as of yet never got hauled off to jail. It's not going to get easier. However, it was not easy for the disciples. It was not easy for Christ.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 19, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
 

Contract with a Contractor


 The free-drawing card from the fair took me to a home in the country. As I drove up the paved drive I noticed a dog kennel to the right and a man standing up near his pickup. As I approached John I observed a well kept man perhaps in his late fifties. I explained why I was there and I sensed a drawing together with him from the start. John stated that all the items out by the road were free to those passing by in need. He is a building contractor who sometimes purchases property and removes the existing home and rebuilds. Therefore he comes across various items like tires, tools and furniture that he does not need. I could tell that he was a very generous man which no doubt explained why he is still working when all of his contracting friends are out of work. He loves the Lord and loves people and the Lord is blessing him for it.
   
     John’s wife Patty joined us and we went out back and sat on the deck and talked at length about nature as we observed a wild turkey walk up and eat out of his bird feeder. Our discussion gravitated toward health, morals and the state of the world. Like so many people they have concerns about their grandchildren. John stated that they are a Catholic family. John grew up serving as an altar boy.
       John and Patty responded well to all the appeals I made without a single objection. A short time later a contract was signed for the Bible Stories, Bible Reference Library and a 5 volume health set.
     
      Upon leaving, Patty hugged me and John said, “We had no idea when you drove up the drive what a wonderful experience this was going to be, you bringing these books to us and visiting.” I left them a couple of pieces of free lit, offered prayer and left feeling very gratified that another family has light for the last days; light that  would strengthen them both physically and spiritually. Patty gave me a second hug and I was on my way to another home.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 20, 2014, 08:11:30 AM
Happy to share Newbie;

 When I do share the stories I kind of re live the experience. As you know there are some tough spots too like last week when someone called the police and said I was harassing them. What was frustrating was that I was sweet as honey at the door and they were too. The family was leaving on vacation and since they told me that at the door they got to wondering if I was scoping the place out. So they used the term "harassment" with the police so he would take them seriously. The young officer was really nice about it. I told him that I could understand their concern but to lie about my visit was not nice. I showed him the card they had filled out requesting information  and when they said they would not be free right now I asked if later in the day would work. They said, "no they were going on vacation." I asked, "would you like me to stop back another time?" The husband said, " If you'd like" and off I went. If he would have been crabby and if I would have used a short tone of voice with him I could perhaps understand his exaggerating and calling it harassment. That was not the case.

The next day I canvassed a man in town who likewise requested information on his drawing card from the Sport's Show. He was peculiar acting and I was never quite sure what was going on with him. At times he seemed receptive and at other times he seemed a little bit unstable. Toward the end of the canvass he kind of snapped and said I was really stupid for going door to door and the average person in the Midwest owns 5 guns. I replied very calmly, " Jesus went to people's homes and I am  not afraid of guns." Of course he showed me immediately to the door.  I would have liked to have that one back and said a couple of things differently. I think the bottom line was he just wanted the free gifts I promised and when they were not up to what he had expected  he was not too happy with me.

Not every day is all miracles accept for perhaps miracles that we do not get shot or slugged. I've been threatened a couple times by drunks and bitten a few times (by dogs). Talked to the police a number of times but as of yet never got hauled off to jail. It's not going to get easier. However, it was not easy for the disciples. It was not easy for Christ.

I'm glad you shared this..... I have had some of the same kinds of things happen to me...   we were told early on to only share the good things that happen... and that's very unrealistic and at first when I went out, I thought that these things only were happening to me and that I was doing something wrong... 

1-been threatened by dogs but then became friends and the owners were wide eyed and astonished
2-had police come at us but checked our information and let it all go and then they shared afterward that some of these people call them all the time
3-had my life threatened by a real big Indian man...when I did not flinch, he laughed like nuts and then invited us in... he said that usually worked with the JWs as they would run from him   :-)
4-had strange storm come up only in the area we canvassed and we had to leave...  not wanting to tempt the Lord we went to another block and continued...
5-approached by a gang of tough guys and they thought we would run but instead they became interested in what we had and we gave them a book... and walked right through them... amazing grace
the list can go on and on
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 20, 2014, 09:59:20 AM
Yes, if we paint the picture too rosy  some get the idea they can enter this work, make a lot of money, get a lot of recognition, and have nothing but miracles happen. If they begin the work with this mindset they find that none of this is true and  they usually quit the first day. If not they still do not last long. I had a church leader say to me once " I thought once you began to canvass the Holy Spirit just took over." He seemed to have the idea that everything became automatic and you could just sit back and the words bubbled out without you having to really try. That's not quite how it works.

Then there are those on the other side. When I began canvassing an older lady in the church said to my mother, " yah, those colporteurs just run the wheels off their cars and don't make any money. For her canvassing was a hopeless case. That's just the kind of encouragement we do not need and it is a half truth. We do not make a lot of money and we do go through cars but there is a great reward in the work and as long as one can live and work that is enough. Much of the reward will come later although we have experiences right now that the church members are in desperate need of. If the person truly is concerned for the LE then they could pitch him a few $$ for gas and encourage him/her.

I have heard often that the LE has a special gift. I believe that is mostly poppycock. Most successful LEs are no more gifted than anyone else and perhaps less so. They just have a fire in the belly for souls and seek to do the Lord's bidding. I Lord does not call the equipped He equips the called. ALL believers are called to spread like the leaves of autumn our literature. (CP Ministry p. 21 1st paragraph and  p. 25 par. 2)The qualification is but one " we must be a believer." Not all are called to canvass as in full blown LE work but all are called to share our literature everywhere. The reason I know that "gifts" have little to do with successful LE work is because most of the most gifted salesman when they began to canvass flopped and some of the most successful LEs were those like the man from Iowa that could not read. He could pray though. He could plead with the people and he could hold the books up before them and say " read!" read!" The people were impressed to buy the books.
Then there was the blind man with a heart condition. His wife would drive up to the house and park, go to the door and tell the people her husband was blind and disabled. She would invite them to come to the car and listen to him. He would canvass them and sell them books.  8-)

The point is that many of the least likely people in terms of being "gifted" have been the most successful. That is because when the heart is right the Lord will add whatever it takes to make for success. When people say, " I don't have the gift." Usually what they mean is that they do not have a burden for souls. Most have never given God a chance to show them that they have "the gift." How much "gift does it take to leave literature in their shopping cart or give it to someone they have helped change a tire ? How much of a gift does it take to leave a publication inside someone's door or read off a survey of questions and give  the people a publication as a reward for answering your questions ? How much of a gift does it take to leave a paperback in the restroom of a store ?  I used to love (was a fanatic) about hunting and fishing. I had no problem talking about my passion out on the ice. However, back then before I was converted I would be loathe to talk about any thing spiritual. Now things are almost entirely reversed. Now I will only talk about  fishing as  inroad to give a fisherman a publication. We talk about what we love and we are largely successful at what we have a passion for.  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 20, 2014, 11:01:24 AM
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A Deal with Del

The lead card was addressed to Del. I found the big house in the small town and knocked on the door. When the man appeared I explained why I was there holding up the lead card. " Oh, man" said Del, I am on lunch break now and have to leave. Could you come back at 5:00 p.m. ?" " Sure" I said, " I'll be there."  I had not intended to stay in the area but this man's enthusiasm caused me to change my plans.
   I worked around the area and arrived right on time.  Del's wife , Jackie, was out in the yard and said that her husband should be home anytime. We chatted for several minutes and then Jackie said, " I'll give him a call." That she did and then said that Del was called to an important matter. He would be a little late and hoped he would be home soon. Thirty minutes later still no Del. Jackie then said, "Del is a police officer and he is involved in investigating a criminal child abuse case. Maybe you could just show me the books." I did so hoping that  her husband would return. At almost the end of the canvass he arrived home. When Del came in he said " Oh, good, you're still here !" He stated that he had seen the brochure stand in a restaurant about 40 miles away  and mailed the card in. I had left the stand there a few weeks previous. Del looked at all the books on the table and my spreads lying out and he looked like a child in a candy store. He said, "Wow ! I didn't know you had all of this. Wow !" I doubled back through the canvass and showed him the pictures and how the cows , deer, and sheep went into  the ark in groups of sevens. " Wow !" was his only reply as he stood the entire time.  He purchased the Bible Stories and two Spirit of Prophecy books.  I stopped back twice again at later dates and he purchased more books with SOP books each time.
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Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 20, 2014, 11:50:06 AM
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Can a Blizzard Bring a Blessing ?

I have never in my life stopped at a home at 12:00 to canvass anyone a lunch time without an appointment. For some strange reason I chose to do so this time. I had a lead card in my hand and after knocking I heard a very welcome voice say, " come on in." It was like they rolled out the red carpet. As I entered and explained why I was there I was invited to have a seat. A man of perhaps 60 years old explained that he had picked up the brochure while in the hospital clinic 90 miles away while getting reconstructive surgery on his jaw. He went on to tell of his experience.
" I was driving down the road when a white out during a blizzard occurred.  I and another car hit head on. I learned later that the other driver was killed and throughout the ordeal I lost 9 pints of blood. My first realization was that I was missing all of my teeth and part of my jaw. I had a rib puncturing my lung and I was swallowing  a lot of blood. I set back in the seat looking into the sky as I waited for the ambulance to come and I did not know if I would make it. As I looked into the sky I saw a beautiful waterfall coming down out of the clouds. I was impressed that whether I made it or not everything would be alright."
He went on to say that he has had several reconstructive surgeries since. I showed Harry and his wife multiple sets of books which included the Bible Reference Library/Conflict of the Ages.  When I made an appeal,  Harry's wife looked over at her husband and asked, " what do you think?" Then Harry replied, " I think if we get any of it we ought to get it all. " They purchased  it all.
What a terrible thing to have happen to this man during the storm but what a blessing it was that as a result he was led to visit a clinic and pick up the brochure that he probably would not have otherwise come in contact with. I am certain that as a result of the accident this man was a different person and now he, his wife, children, and grandchildren have books that will help prepare them for the coming of Christ.
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Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 21, 2014, 11:36:20 AM
  Had a great night and sold books in all three homes I canvassed. One home where books were not sold was because when I drove into the yard of the rural  acreage there were three police cars there and officers were standing around. It was obvious that something was up. I rolled my window down as an officer approached my vehicle. When I explained who I was there to see and why (response to a free drawing card from the fair) he smiled and said that the man was being arrested and would not be returning to this address. He smiled and said, " You've probably never had this happen before." I replied, "  well, with visiting over 7000 homes I have had a lot of things happen." Actually that was homes canvassed a more accurate count of homes visited would be 50,000.  I showed him the Bible Stories and he said, " Oh, yah, I have seen them." I gave him literature to give to the soon to be incarcerated and then said, "Since you are in law enforcement I have a gift  especially for you" and I handed him a National Sunday law. His reply was, "Oh, thanks !"

 Every situation is an opportunity !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 22, 2014, 03:03:52 PM
Amen Cp
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 22, 2014, 04:46:29 PM


Mark & Tanya


     Part of the while the fair was going on pastor Mark worked the Right to Life booth behind me. We conversed several times. Mark explained that he was just out of seminary and has accepted his first call as a pastor at a small evangelical perish in town. As I felt the time was right to do so I worked into a little study with him on prophecy of which he seemed interested.  I left him some pointed literature and we had prayer together on his last working shift at the booth. Mark has a constant smile that surely wins the hearts of his parishioners. 
     A few weeks later I followed up on his drawing card and was greeted at the door with a hearty handshake as Mark said, “ I didn’t know if we would ever see you again.”  He said this in such a way that you could tell that he was glad to see me. Mark said, “ It is good to see someone so enthusiastic about sharing their faith.” His wife soon to deliver was also friendly but a little more cautious as we sat together at the table. At the close the total for the set of books that they interested in came to $250. Finances were very tight with the couple but Mark said that it was no coincidence that he was given $250 for the marriage he performed the other day. It seemed clinched as Mark said to write up the order. Then Tanya began to drag her feet stating that they needed the money badly for groceries. They went back and forth a half dozen times before she won out. Mark kept saying things like “ They will be a keep sake” but something she said as she pulled him to the side and whispered won out. I don’t know. Perhaps she reminded him that they were SDA books or that they cost a lot. Maybe she said they needed the money for the new baby. Nothing I said would turn the tide back again. Anyway, I dropped down to a package of several Maga books which included  a My Bible Friends magabook for the new baby and her toddler sister as well as The Great Controversy. I prayed for the family and Mark prayed for me.

I returned a couple of months later with a small gift for the new baby, Sophie. I offered a discounted price on the My Bible Friends library which Mark accepted. Then he shared a story about his preschool daughter.



 A lady called and the little girl answered the phone.
 The lady so taken by the little girl asked, “Is Santa Claus coming to your home?” The little girl answered matter of factly, “ No.”  The lady persisted, “ but isn’t Santa coming to your house?” The little girl answered again, “No.”  The lady kind of groaned. The little girl retorted with the sweet innocence of a little angel, “Don’t be afraid. Jesus is with you!”  The lady replied with haste, “Can I talk to your mother?”   Mark continued as he pointed to the magabook with the bent corner leaning up against the couch, “She got that from the book you left us.”  It was as though the little one sensed that all this Santa stuff was the result of a troubled heart.

The end of the story that the little girl was thinking of goes as follows:

“Jesus says to boys and girls today-
“ Don’t be afraid when the lightening flashes,
and the thunder crashes,
 and the strong wind blows.”
 “I am with you always,” says Jesus,
    “ in the dark and in the storm,
I will never leave you. Don’t be afraid.”
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 22, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
Oh, another very interesting  fact about pastor Mark and his new church is that before he came to serve at this church the church nearly swung over to a Sabbath keeping church but reverted back to Sunday. This would indicate that there was some Sabbath keeping ground broken there and perhaps some in the church that have convictions about the Sabbath. Mark, has a Great Controversy to read and perhaps to share with his members.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 22, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
   Susan

     Al had signed up for our free drawing at the fair in _____ Michigan. It would have been very tough to find the house had not I just received a GPS from my mother and brother as a gift. As the chime sounded and a voice proclaimed “you have arrived” I observed a very large multi section log home and estimated the value at a million dollars even at Michigan’s modest pricing due to the housing crunch. After no response at the door I was pulling out when I was met by a automobile that matched the standard of the home. I rolled down the window and explained my visit to the two ladies in the car loaded with Christmas presents.  They said that if I could give them a few minutes they would see what I have to share. I must confess I half expected some kind of snub as experience has taught me that generally speaking, the more well to do the person, the less they want to do, with what I have to do.  As we settled into a light discussion while seated at the very large curl around davenport Susan seemed right at home with me there. She shared pictures of her daughter who does equestrian riding. The other lady, her friend, I later learned was a Catholic lady. She made a positive comment about being familiar with the Bible Stories. I was impressed as usually a pier pressure dynamic takes over at this point and it seems profitable to reject the book salesman. Not this time.
       When her friend left we got down to business as Susan said she was a retired school teacher who home schooled. Figure that one out. Her husband is a retired physician. She attends a Pentecostal church and has been trying to get through to her very Catholic friend who is very big into the “saints.” During the canvass we entered into several topics which briefly led us to her Bible. When we talked about spiritualism she told of how years ago she was staying with a friend when she had “an experience.” She was sleeping with her head near a window with a soft fresh breeze moving the curtain.  She woke to see a very small man almost on the order of a gruel standing next to her. He had but one snide comment, “ You don’t believe all that crap in the Bible do you? !”  She said, “I just started praying and he disappeared.”

Shortly there after Susan purchased the Bible Reference library. There was a problem though as she left her purse in her friend’s car. Experience has shown that often even a day’s delay in paying for the books is apt to give the person second thoughts.  I offered a solution of calling her friend and asking her to read off her credit card number over the phone. That she did and the problem was solved.
      After offering prayer and on my way out Susan commented, “ I can’t believe you found our house back here.” I answered, “ I probably would not have had I not had a GPS.” She said, “ but, the GPS does not have this spot recorded.” I replied, “It led me right to your doorstep!”

•   Reach All Classes.- In order to reach all classes, we must meet them where they are. They will seldom seek us of their own accord. Not alone from the pulpit are the hearts of men touched by divine truth. There is another field of labor, humbler, it may be, but fully as promising. It is found in the home of the lowly, and in the mansion of the great.- The Desire of Ages, p. 152
                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on April 22, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
I love the stories!  Especially the one about the little girl who said "don't be afraid."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 23, 2014, 06:32:27 AM
I love the stories!  Especially the one about the little girl who said "don't be afraid."

Yah, don't you just love it when children preach ? All the people can do is either accept it of huff and leave.
A number of times when at the check out a checker has asked our children, " is Santa Claus/ Easter bunny coming to your house?"  they respond with a totally blank look with dropped jaw like, "huh ?" The checker might as well have asked if the children have been to Mars. If I had it to do over again I would have trained well my children at a very tender age to respond with " you don't really believe that stuff do you?"  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 23, 2014, 12:10:31 PM
I tried to order 100 Darkness Before Dawn from the Press today. None in stock and don't know when they will print. More and more the presses are not printing and the Review laid off 26 workers. That's quite a few.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on April 23, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
I tried to order 100 Darkness Before Dawn from the Press today. None in stock and don't know when they will print. More and more the presses are not printing and the Review laid off 26 workers. That's quite a few.
Cp, what is the reason for this?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 23, 2014, 12:38:29 PM
I tried to order 100 Darkness Before Dawn from the Press today. None in stock and don't know when they will print. More and more the presses are not printing and the Review laid off 26 workers. That's quite a few.
Cp, what is the reason for this?

 $$$

There may be several reasons for that.  #1 There are relatively few LEs to sell books and purchase advertising etc. #2 More and more SDAs are purchasing books written by non SDA authors and produced by non SDA  publishers. #3 Mismanagement.#4 Things are going increasingly to CD/DVDs and the presses seem not to be keeping step. I suppose some of that cannot be helped as they can not just flip a switch and go from printing ink and producing DVDs. #5 I believe there is a lack of faith and a lack of vision and this is the fruit of it.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 23, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
I have been taking my children out magabooking two evenings a week. They have been averaging  $250 per night in sales and donations for books with the last three nights placing over $300 worth each night. This will pay for their campmeeting expenses, airplane tickets, food, lodging, and all the books they want to buy while they are there not to mention tithe and another 10% for investment.

 Some of the least likely prospects gave nice donations or purchased books. When you knock on 100 doors per night you experience an interesting cross spectrum of reactions but most are good. We have left many free books in homes as well. It is nice to see the children so encouraged with success. They are placing alot of books and earning money at the same time to go to campmeeting. They lead off with a Severn Secrets Cook book, generally followed by a Peace Above the Storm, then the Encyclopedia of Foods, followed by a Great Controversy, followed by the children's Bible story magabooks. We mix it up some if circumstances call for it.

If the people are not interested in books my bold daughter follows zealously with " we do accept donations, even a dollar or two would help !"    75% of the homes will either buy books or give a donation from $1-$20. One time they received a whole bag of quarters. I remember one instance where a man came to the door and abruptly shooed  the children away. About a block or so away a lady was walking down the street. As we came near her I said to the children, "go canvass her. The worst thing she can do is say "no.""  When the children made their typical appeal the lady said, " I'm interested but I live down the street." I came up from behind and said, "we can follow you home."  She took us to the back door of the very house where the man shooed the children away. She entered the house and came out with cash to purchase several magabooks.
   
    At another home we could hear laughing and talking out back so we rounded the house and came upon two ladies trying to put together a patio table and having some problems. They were not too upset however as they were drinking beer and having a "good time." They were quick to purchase 4  magabooks and gave us $50.
 I can never seem to carry enough of the right magabooks because we do not know what will sell. At the end of 3- 4 hours of fast pace work we are pretty well wore out and head come to sort and save.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on April 25, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
Do you ever sell MP3 apps of ebooks for the smart phones of prospective clients if they either don't want to read but would listen to the same book as an MP3 or some family members do not read well or have vision problems ?

If you could find wholesale bulk tablets & ereaders, you could take orders for, get down payment on, and populate with the ebooks & MP3's & even a few good health video's, kids nature & creation video's etc - then go back from time to time with more apps & materials for the tablets & e-readers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 25, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
Do you ever sell MP3 apps of ebooks for the smart phones of prospective clients if they either don't want to read but would listen to the same book as an MP3 or some family members do not read well or have vision problems ?

If you could find wholesale bulk tablets & ereaders, you could take orders for, get down payment on, and populate with the ebooks & MP3's & even a few good health video's, kids nature & creation video's etc - then go back from time to time with more apps & materials for the tablets & e-readers.

There's an idea !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 26, 2014, 03:54:21 PM
An elderly man stopped at my booth and said, " You got my nephew all stirred up with your talk about the Scarlet Woman." I replied, "stirred up good or stirred  up bad ?"   "Neither," he said, " just stirred up!" Then he said, I am interested in what you showed him."  He asked what church I belonged to and I asked him the same. He is Missouri Senate Lutheran. I stated that even that branch of the Lutheran church has departed alot from what Luther believed and the ELCA even more so. " You're telling me," he responded.

I showed him from Webster's Dictionary (unabridged) how Webster identified the RCC as the Scarlet Woman of Rev. 17. He found that amazing and coming from a unbiased source besides ! We had a short little study as he declared that he has a relative that is SDA. I gave him some literature and after about 15 minutes he left. A little watering here and a little watering there.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 26, 2014, 04:00:41 PM
 Jay Thomas and I were out canvassing together. Jay was my prayer partner for the day and was a real blessing. We stopped at a home in north central Michigan. The lady with her grown daughter  purchased the Bible Stories, Bible Reference Library, and Natural Remedies. They were turned over to the local pastor and Melinda was baptized into the SDA church. The time is not far distant when the reaping will become widespread.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 27, 2014, 06:27:15 AM
 My children and I will begin our magabooking this afternoon and evening. We welcome your prayers. Last year was very productive and without serious incident of any kind. I realize that this will not always be even in today's setting. The work really drains us especially yours truly.  We plan to go out 3 nights a week. While it is 3 hours a day they are very fast paced and it is somewhat intense hitting that many doors in very warm weather.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 27, 2014, 06:29:34 PM
 Considering it was 90 degrees, there were two ball games taking place less then 5 blocks away, and we were working a trailer park, our magabooking went very well. The Lord blessed with $245 in sales and donations. We gave out perhaps 35-40 Steps to Christ and approximately 60 glow tracts. A young blond lady in her 30s with tattoos galore was very impressed with our appeal regarding the health books. She purchased Foods That Heal and Medicinal Plants. It was productive to lead out with the right arm, Foods that Heal and the Seven Secrets Cook Books.  We canvassed a Hispanic man who said that we would have to come back at 9:00 p.m. when his wife got home from work. I said that we probably would not be able to do that, however I gave him a Darkness Before Dawn anyway. Thirty minutes later a car pulled up to curb with the window down and the man reached over with a $10.00 bill in his hand. He had gone up town, got the cash and found us to give a donation. That's a first. There were a few others that gave us their last $2.00 or $5.00. During our last visit a college student said she really wanted to help us  but does not get paid until Friday. She apologized as she gave us her last $5.00 that it was not more. Surely the Steps to Christ will really touch the hearts of those who were so generous with what they had. Satan was really mad though and there were a few rude people. A drunk Hispanic man assumed we were JW and read us the riot act.  I told him we were not JWs and that he was rude. I don't think he even heard me with the loud music. You learn that when you hit that many doors there will be some ruff people and you shake it off quickly and roll with the punches. While we take guff I am not a door mat.   :wink:   Most of the people were very kind.
   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 28, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Considering it was 90 degrees, there were two ball games taking place less then 5 blocks away, and we were working a trailer park, our magabooking went very well. The Lord blessed with $245 in sales and donations. We gave out perhaps 35-40 Steps to Christ and approximately 60 glow tracts. A young blond lady in her 30s with tattoos galore was very impressed with our appeal regarding the health books. She purchased Foods That Heal and Medicinal Plants. It was productive to lead out with the right arm, Foods that Heal and the Seven Secrets Cook Books.  We canvassed a Hispanic man who said that we would have to come back at 9:00 p.m. when his wife got home from work. I said that we probably would not be able to do that, however I gave him a Darkness Before Dawn anyway. Thirty minutes later a car pulled up to curb with the window down and the man reached over with a $10.00 bill in his hand. He had gone up town, got the cash and found us to give a donation. That's a first. There were a few others that gave us their last $2.00 or $5.00. During our last visit a college student said she really wanted to help us  but does not get paid until Friday. She apologized as she gave us her last $5.00 that it was not more. Surely the Steps to Christ will really touch the hearts of those who were so generous with what they had. Satan was really mad though and there were a few rude people. A drunk Hispanic man assumed we were JW and read us the riot act.  I told him we were not JWs and that he was rude. I don't think he even heard me with the loud music. You learn that when you hit that many doors there will be some ruff people and you shake it off quickly and roll with the punches. While we take guff I am not a door mat.   :wink:   Most of the people were very kind.
 
I've found that it is Satan's intention that we quit at this point.... when sometimes it is the very next person we meet is the one looking for us with an open heart.  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 28, 2014, 10:49:24 AM
Considering it was 90 degrees, there were two ball games taking place less then 5 blocks away, and we were working a trailer park, our magabooking went very well. The Lord blessed with $245 in sales and donations. We gave out perhaps 35-40 Steps to Christ and approximately 60 glow tracts. A young blond lady in her 30s with tattoos galore was very impressed with our appeal regarding the health books. She purchased Foods That Heal and Medicinal Plants. It was productive to lead out with the right arm, Foods that Heal and the Seven Secrets Cook Books.  We canvassed a Hispanic man who said that we would have to come back at 9:00 p.m. when his wife got home from work. I said that we probably would not be able to do that, however I gave him a Darkness Before Dawn anyway. Thirty minutes later a car pulled up to curb with the window down and the man reached over with a $10.00 bill in his hand. He had gone up town, got the cash and found us to give a donation. That's a first. There were a few others that gave us their last $2.00 or $5.00. During our last visit a college student said she really wanted to help us  but does not get paid until Friday. She apologized as she gave us her last $5.00 that it was not more. Surely the Steps to Christ will really touch the hearts of those who were so generous with what they had. Satan was really mad though and there were a few rude people. A drunk Hispanic man assumed we were JW and read us the riot act.  I told him we were not JWs and that he was rude. I don't think he even heard me with the loud music. You learn that when you hit that many doors there will be some ruff people and you shake it off quickly and roll with the punches. While we take guff I am not a door mat.   :wink:   Most of the people were very kind.
 
  how do you respond to them? a few examples maybe as I know each situation is diff.?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 28, 2014, 04:19:59 PM

 Newbie;

 Every situation is different. If the person is particularly snotty and disrespectful I remind them that a Christian does not treat people that way. I am learning that often the best thing to do is abruptly turn and walk  away. The sooner one gets to the next house the better.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 29, 2014, 11:53:59 AM

 Newbie;

 Every situation is different. If the person is particularly snotty and disrespectful I remind them that a Christian does not treat people that way. I am learning that often the best thing to do is abruptly turn and walk  away. The sooner one gets to the next house the better.
thanks  :-D...  this is what I've done... but not all do this
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 29, 2014, 12:55:37 PM

 If we will recognize Satan's attack.... and that something special is coming... this will spur us forward rather than turn us back. I have found that he fires us either just before or after... a divine appointment.
We will be hitting it again in 2 hours. Pray for us !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 01, 2014, 11:09:45 AM

 If we will recognize Satan's attack.... and that something special is coming... this will spur us forward rather than turn us back. I have found that he fires us either just before or after... a divine appointment.
We will be hitting it again in 2 hours. Pray for us !
prayers for all those that are spreading/sowing seeds!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 03, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
 
  The Fruit of Patience


Patience has never been my strongest quality however sometimes by God's grace I succeed in that area.  About a year, year and a half ago I canvassed Dan. He had gone through a divorce and was fighting for the custody  of his six and eight year old boys. It sounds like his attorney was bleeding him financially. Fancy that !
Any way  we had a very good visit and Dan purchased a 22 vol. set of books, the Bible Stories and the 12 vol. Bible Reference Library/Conflict set and we set him up with four payments same as cash. I was so impressed with Dan that I gave him a free Natural Remedies book as well.  With out dragging out all the details Dan had a lot of trouble paying for the books.  Dan lives about 25 miles from me and I stopped there many times perhaps more than a dozen. Most times he was not home and to save gas and time I tried to stop when I was in the general area. He was always very friendly and happy to see me. He would be very apologetic and  agreeable to what ever I said. Twice he wrote me out a check on the spot and the checks both bounced. His like was confusion.
Dan is big into football and would have the game on most times when I stopped. One time he had a big plate of pork sausage that made me cringe to think about it. While this man is not huge he is big like a football player and I know that he will be looking at a heart attack in the future unless his diet changes. I sent letters, stopped and called until I was weary. I was tried to the quick and he had only paid for about half of the books. I decided to pick up part of the books and clear him of his debt. I left him the children's Bible Stories and the Great Controversy. He was fine with that and very happy that I did not embarrass him in front of one of his buddies when I stopped.
Now about a year later, I received a phone call from Dan. He left a message and said he would like to get together with me and talk. I called him back and as he was not home I too left a message saying that would be wonderful. About two weeks later he called again. He said that  his life is now more ordered and he is an EMT. He would like to get together with me for lunch somewhere if possible and talk about last days and such. He said he might want to buy another book. Truthfully I think he said that just to give me more incentive to get together with him. The best part of that is that it shows how seriously he wants to get together and talk. He believes we are in the last days and we have talked about that a fair bit in the past. We will get together at Taco Johns a week from today as he will be driving over to where I live. I'm not sure just what will come of this but it will be win win. It is likely that we will be studying together.
This is an instance where it would have been so easy to lose patience with his dysfunctional way of doing business and put a guilt trip on him. I bore painfully long with him and was kind and it has come back to be a blessing. Had I come down on him hard about his payments I'm certain he would never have called me back a year later to get together.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 04, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
If we give smiles, they will be returned to us; if we speak
pleasant, cheerful words, they will be spoken to us again.

Signs of the Times 1885-2-12
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 12, 2014, 11:28:56 AM
Canvassed a lady last night. She is a former Catholic and very much into health. We had a very good study on prophecy. She wants to become vegetarian and perhaps animal free. She said she would like me to give she and her husband cooking classes. I left her a Country Life food coop catalog and she purchased a Seven Secrets cook book. I will return on Sabbath on my way back from church and bring her some vegan cheese and sunburger samples along with some more literature on prophecy. She asked me to write her up a list of food items to make vegan cheese, gravy, etc.. She was disappointed that she could no0ot use brewers yeast flakes as she said she has candida and "you can never really get rid of it." She said she can therefore not use even yeast flakes.

Here are my questions   #1 Is yeast flakes the same as bread yeast in terms of its affect on Candida ? Is brewers yeast a live yeast ?     #2 If it i,s doesn't boiling it even a little such as with gravy or cheese kill the yeast ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 12, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
autolyzed yeast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast_extract  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast_extract)

 http://www.livestrong.com/article/71755-autolyzed-yeast-extract/  (http://www.livestrong.com/article/71755-autolyzed-yeast-extract/)

 http://ezinearticles.com/?Candida-Diets---Why-Yeast-Extract-Is-OK&id=1122817   (http://ezinearticles.com/?Candida-Diets---Why-Yeast-Extract-Is-OK&id=1122817)

  http://www.candida-albicans-cure.com/food-additives.html  (http://www.candida-albicans-cure.com/food-additives.html)

  http://www.allergy-details.com/yeast-allergy/types-yeast/   (http://www.allergy-details.com/yeast-allergy/types-yeast/)

 http://www.livestrong.com/article/71755-autolyzed-yeast-extract/   (http://www.livestrong.com/article/71755-autolyzed-yeast-extract/)

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  #1 Is yeast flakes the same as bread yeast in terms of its affect on Candida ?

Is brewers yeast a live yeast ?     

#2 If it i,s doesn't boiling it even a little such as with gravy or cheese kill the yeast ?   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on June 13, 2014, 02:50:45 AM
Kill temp of bread yeast -
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Because the kill point for yeast occurs at 140°F, we recommend using a thermometer for best results. 

 http://www.pizzacrustyeast.com/faq.html  (http://www.pizzacrustyeast.com/faq.html)
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  According to the Master Baker at LeSaffre yeast 140° is the death toll for yeast, however, 120° is the injury point. I'm not too surprised that your yeast survived at 130° but it was not a kind thing to do to it.   

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http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f13/what-temperature-kills-yeast-67272/ 

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from four professional sources - 2 bakery business's -  2 brewing business's > 140 degrees F - kills that type yeast.
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  The temperature has to be 120°F, which feels hot, before it begins to kill the yeast. It has to get all the way to 140°F before all the yeast is completely done in.   

 http://www.kingarthurflour.com/tips/yeast-bread-primer.html    (http://www.kingarthurflour.com/tips/yeast-bread-primer.html)

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  http://www.answers.com/topic/beer   (http://www.answers.com/topic/beer)

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  Pasteurizing
After aging, the beer can be pasteurized to kill the remaining yeast and prevent further alcohol production. This is accomplished by heating the beer above 135°F (57°C). This process, named after Louis Pasteur, is widely known for preserving milk. Interestingly, Pasteur originally developed this process to preserve beer in the 1860s. Pasteurization, however, is not used in the production of genuine draft beers. These beers are also known as "ice" beers, since they must be kept refrigerated to preserve their flavor and slow the remaining yeast activity. Many consider the draft beers best in aroma as well as taste.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/beer#ixzz34VfnspWi

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nutritional yeast consumption with candida

 http://www.herbalpharmacist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57:nutritional-yeast-not-the-bad-guy&catid=38:articles&Itemid=57  (http://www.herbalpharmacist.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57:nutritional-yeast-not-the-bad-guy&catid=38:articles&Itemid=57)

Brewers yeast consumption with candida is not recommended, looking across several sites.
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Candida links

 https://www.elcaminohospital.org/Womens_Health/Pregnancy_Childbirth/Breastfeeding_Education_Resources/Thrush_Candida_Yeast_Infections  (https://www.elcaminohospital.org/Womens_Health/Pregnancy_Childbirth/Breastfeeding_Education_Resources/Thrush_Candida_Yeast_Infections)

 http://www.nationalcandidacenter.com/candida-causes/  (http://www.nationalcandidacenter.com/candida-causes/)

 http://owndoc.com/candida-albicans/candida-facts/  (http://owndoc.com/candida-albicans/candida-facts/)

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC259666/  (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC259666/)

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC90807/    (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC90807/)

  http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/conditionsatod/a/Candida.htm  (http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/conditionsatod/a/Candida.htm)

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For definitive answers check with these folks. Talk to MD's

 http://weimar.org/  (http://weimar.org/)

  http://www.wildwoodhealth.org/  (http://www.wildwoodhealth.org/)

  http://www.ucheepines.org/   (http://www.ucheepines.org/)


Loma Linda Univ - search - candida
 http://www.llu.edu/central/Search-Results.page?query=candida&x=28&y=9  (http://www.llu.edu/central/Search-Results.page?query=candida&x=28&y=9)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 13, 2014, 01:15:33 PM
Canvassed a lady last night. She is a former Catholic and very much into health. We had a very good study on prophecy. She wants to become vegetarian and perhaps animal free. She said she would like me to give she and her husband cooking classes. I left her a Country Life food coop catalog and she purchased a Seven Secrets cook book. I will return on Sabbath on my way back from church and bring her some vegan cheese and sunburger samples along with some more literature on prophecy. She asked me to write her up a list of food items to make vegan cheese, gravy, etc.. She was disappointed that she could no0ot use brewers yeast flakes as she said she has candida and "you can never really get rid of it." She said she can therefore not use even yeast flakes.

Here are my questions   #1 Is yeast flakes the same as bread yeast in terms of its affect on Candida ? Is brewers yeast a live yeast ?     #2 If it i,s doesn't boiling it even a little such as with gravy or cheese kill the yeast ?

yeast flakes are okay in recipes...  I tried to culture it and it would not culture so it is safe.  The only danger I can think of is that it is loaded with natural MSG-- high levels.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 14, 2014, 12:27:33 PM

 I read something on the web where they say that it is a myth that yeast used to make break causes or worsens candida. They claim that both brewers yeast and bread yeast are an entirely different kind of yeast than that which grows in the body. Do you know anything to that effect ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 14, 2014, 05:37:00 PM

 I read something on the web where they say that it is a myth that yeast used to make break causes or worsens candida. They claim that both brewers yeast and bread yeast are an entirely different kind of yeast than that which grows in the body. Do you know anything to that effect ?
brewer's yeast before the process should be okay... I'd still be a little cautious anyway if one has cancer or something like that..
life spores of fungus would not be good to any body that is compromised
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 19, 2014, 08:21:27 PM
 The children and I worked the town near by with 10,000 people, last year with great success, We knocked on 95% of the doors in town. A fair number of people were not home so I thought to work the whole town again this year would be good.  You see there are baseball and softball games going on at least 5 nights a week. However, this year the people were very much closed up and our success was only about 40% of what it was last year. Why was this ? At first I thought since the children have grown so much in one year with my son a foot taller and looking 5 years older than he is, perhaps the cute kid thing was not contributing to our cause this year. However, we found this not to be the problem as will be revealed shortly. Could it be that people were cooling off  that much spiritually in one year ? No, that was not the problem either as you will see. Since this town is very prosperous financially money is not the issue either. I believe our problem with a number of people being uncommonly rude is two fold. Some were down right snotty and some would not come to the door and only a few were receptive this time around. We handed out quite a number of Darkness before Dawn last year. I am certain that the churches were talking to their members about this and likely the people in the neighborhoods were talking among themselves as well.  They were more or less ready for us this year with only a few being real sweet and receptive. The only place we did real well was in a trailer park that we did not get to last year. Obviously the Sabbath  truth is the issue. I  believe that the Lord is telling us that rather than working the same town twice we should move to virgin territory. Where to go though ? If we went 20-30 miles one direction it would be 80% Dutch Reform. They are good territory but very tight and clicky if they know you are not reformed. If we went 10 miles another direction we would be in a town that is 80% or more Roman Catholic as evidenced by all the statues in their yards. We decided to go to the closer town and work with the Catholics.  The following was our experience.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 19, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
 

    Canvassing the Catholics


Of the first 10 houses the children knocked on where someone was home 8 people gave donations averaging $7.00 each. We were not selling books but the people were generous. We gave out some Happiness Digests  and left tracts on doors where people were not home. At two homes we were asked if we were with St. Mary's. I replied, " no, we are with the Bible Stories and they are recommended by the Catholic Dioceses." (while pointing to the recommendation on the Bible Story brochure)
   
      Then the children canvassed a middle aged mother. I eased up in the middle of the canvass and contributed. The mother was a dedicated RC that loves her church but she was open and realized the RCC is heading the wrong way. We had a very good talk and she purchased a Great Controversy and Health book. We continued to sell a magabook book here and a book there, mostly cook books and Food's that Heal. Donations continued to come consistently. Then we came upon a humble house with a large sign on the door NO SOLICITING ! I'm not sure if the children know what that means as they did not comment and I did not say anything. They knocked on the door and a Hispanic man came to the door. He stood sideways at the door and was listening to my children canvass him through the door and at the same time it seemed he was talking to someone else. After what seemed like forever we heard a lady in the background say " I'll give you 5 bucks for a donation. A couple of minutes later she appeared but without any money. She poked her head through the door and said, "I'm in my bath robe but can I come outside?" That seemed like a strange question and out she came wobbling around and acting a bit drunk. Her husband came out as well and handed me a check for $10.00. As we were all conversing back and forth they wanted to know about all the books and were going to pick two books out yet they had not paid  enough for even one. Hmmm, Interesting, The lady made sense most of the time but not entirely. Her husband however was very sensible and very kind. I explained what the price would be for two books. Long story short they picked out three books and wrote out a second check to cover the purchase. The lady said she loves kids and cats but has a problem with adults. They purchased a cook book, Health book and Peace Above the Storm. The lady insisted that both of the children write something in all the books, their name and so on. She said that would make it more special. When I knelt down at the end to pray for her grown children her husband knelt beside me on the step. When I finished the lady had tears in her eyes and said " you are the nicest man I have ever met." Wow !   So much for NO SOLICITATION signs. I never pay attention to them any way. I put my arm around the husband Marcos and said as I pointed to the sign and smiled, " This is why we do not pay attention to signs like that."  He was happy we didn't. Many of our people would shy away from a house like that and miss a wonderful blessing. Times like this it pays to be blind.

continued ...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 19, 2014, 08:57:11 PM
We continued to sell some books and receive donations from most who did not purchase. Saint Mary's Catholic Church bells rang as the clock struck 6:00 p.m. and we kept on working. As we walked down one side of the street hitting doors I observed a young mother across the street mowing the lawn. There were children playing in the yard and another lady about the same age  walking around the yard doing something. It was kind of noisy there and I could hear loud voices  and sometimes laughing. My impression was that they would probably not take us very serious as they surely were watching us canvassing up one side and down the other. When the children arrived at the place ahead of me they gave their canvass to the lady that was not mowing. I came up from the rear and the other lady shut the mower off. We had a wonderful discussion about health and the books followed by the same about the spiritual books. They were quite  interested in both subjects. The mother is considering homeschooling, concerned about health, and the direction the country is headed." She purchased 6 magabooks which included children's books, cook book, Foods and Plants that Heal, and the great Controversy. She bought a book for the other lady (her sister) and was so glad we stopped. As often happens this visit was entirely different than what I expected given the initial appearance of the situation. The children had their second best night in two years canvassing selling 14 books, giving away several HD and tracts and earning $322 in sales and donations. Though they were very weary they were warmed by the experiences and success.

 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 27, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
 The young, Catholic man looked at our health books and said, " we're into this, how much are they?" The price for them was $40. He got the checkbook. I traded him the books along with a Happiness digest for the check. The check read $75. This was a modest neighborhood economically. It was not the extra $35 itself that is such a big deal but that a  man would give a stranger a 87% bonus. He said, "you're doing a good thing here."   I will revisit this family with a nice paperback Great Controversy as a gift.

Often the people grin when my daughter talks about the recipes in the cook book helping to lower cholesterol and reverse diabetes. She cannot pronounce cholesterol quite right. One person asked for our mailing address and then sent us a donation and a letter commenting "your daughter is quite the salesman." I guess he wanted to surf the net and make sure we were not scammers.

Last night we started out rough and the police passed us several times going slowly. I thought we were going to have a problem but we were not hindered in our work. For the first 40 minutes there was nothing but constant rejections. On the corner house, the lady said no to the books and no to a donation. About a block later I turned and noticed the lady running toward us. She had several bills and some quarters in her hand. Evidently after briefly reflecting she changed her mind and gave the children a $7 donation. While the money is helpful it is not really the money that matters. That is just the bonus. While there are plenty of rude old farts ( yah I said that  :-D) and crabby old biddies there are experiences EVERY night of tender generosity and a genuine interest in the books by youth as well as the elderly. Some purchase just to help the children and some of the poor share what little they have. This kind of restores  one's faith in some of humanity.





Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 27, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
seems as time goes on it gets harder and harder... I'm glad you shared both sides of the canvassing work .... to share only the good things leaves the impression that all is wonderful when we still have an enemy that is sowing bad seed all around...  while there are many rejections, we still have to be prepared that all we meet will be interested...

when they ask what religion you are...what do you tell them?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 27, 2014, 01:44:25 PM
seems as time goes on it gets harder and harder... I'm glad you shared both sides of the canvassing work .... to share only the good things leaves the impression that all is wonderful when we still have an enemy that is sowing bad seed all around...  while there are many rejections, we still have to be prepared that all we meet will be interested...

when they ask what religion you are...what do you tell them?

"SDA," but I am usually able to circumvent that question before it comes. They don't usually ask that unless or until we get to the spiritual books. Some times before we get to the spiritual books they will indicate that they are not interested or that they will " take the cook book." Then we leave them a HD as a gift. Otherwise during the canvass when the spiritual books are being presented by the children I will cut in when I feel it is the best time and proceed as follows,  "In case you may be wondering (while showing them the front of the Bible story brochure) we are the one's that puts the blue Bible story book in your doctor's office waiting room" and then flipping the bro around showing them the back of the brochure with recommendations on the books by Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, and Methodist clergy. That suffices in most instances. If that does not work once in a whilke the person has an inkling  that I am SDA and it is positive or most times they are prejudice and it does not matter anyway. One old timer asked last night "are you SDA?" When the children answered "yes" he abruptly turned and walked away and shut the door. I pray for quick rejections. A few will ask a host of questions and take 10 minutes of your time and then say "not interested."

I find that often after a dry spell a good experience takes place and then there is a spell of rich blessings. Either we change that much because of the blessing and appeal better or else God just decided to turn on the blessings. Perhaps it is both. Often even a slight change in a canvass makes a difference. I often say to my daughter as she usually leads out, " don't forget the spark !" Our own attitude rubs off on people and visa versa.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 27, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
thanks...it has been a while but I'm going out tomorrow...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 28, 2014, 05:55:57 PM
Newb;

What is your door approach and what do you deliver most of ? Do you sell or ask for donations ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 28, 2014, 08:40:50 PM
We cannot sell anything as city has an ordinance where we have to register and it costs 600 dollars.... they got real tired of us going door to door over the last 14 years and made this ordinance to discourage us.

So we have cards that they have filled out and requested bible studies after a mailing... so we are taking them bible studies...
 it's funny how some have it in their own handwriting and yet they deny that they did it... most however were kind and remembered filling it out...  it took all afternoon to reach everyone...
I have bible studies in written format and in dvd format with questions attached.  I will come back next week to give them the next study and so on. 
Had several not at home so we left a letter explaining why we were there and I left a free pocket sized bible tract.  Had one call me after we got home to say that she is going to do the discover bible series on line [address on the back of the pocket tract]  and if she wants more, she will call me later.  I believed that she was telling the truth.  We left something whereever we went except the one that was not interested.  One man told us to come back next week....and we left nothing with him as he seemed anti...

Had something strange happen at one door... we came there and no one answered...when we opened up the screen door to leave our packet of stuff, we noticed a tract already stuffed in the door... :-o  it was from the JWs.  They got there before we did!!!  :uhoh:   They had a note there and knew her by name and one of their tracts.  So, what do we do?  Do I take the Jw stuff and throw it away and just leave ours or do I just attach our stuff?  What would you do?
We did not ask for any donations but would not refuse them if it came our way... :-D 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on June 28, 2014, 08:52:50 PM
 I would leave the JW lit there. God is bigger than that.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 29, 2014, 06:22:23 AM
 I wonder if you could present the books on a donation basis. That would circumvent the need for a selling permit, I think. I believe the megabookers do that. Most, if they want the books will be willing to give the "suggested donation." If they want the book and yet will  not give anything I would give it to them. To do otherwise is fraudulent and almost everyone will give something. You might check with an attorney to get the particulars since the city is a pain. If you work under the local church umbrella I don't think they can require you to get that permit but don't count on the church attorney to back you up. That is his job however and I would check it out.

As for the JW literature, I don't have any trouble putting trash in the trash can anymore than I have trouble speaking against the same. I really do not run into much of it other than one here and one there.

Are there other towns in the area? I have not had this problem in 20 years however one small team of one to three does not tend to draw that much attention. I work many towns. I doubt that many small towns require Schwans, and other like entities to buy a permit.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 29, 2014, 12:41:01 PM
we had already advertised the bible studies for free so I can't really change that but I can ask for donation through prayer and see if God will impress hearts...

as for the JW stuff... at first I wanted to throw it away...then, I opened it up and there was a sticky note on the pamphlet addressed to the woman personally...and it looked like they would be coming back [sigh] and the booklet was on how to stop smoking.....so, I thought, she would know that she never got it on the next visit and maybe there was some good info about how to stop smoking... so I put it back...

it's up to God now...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 01, 2014, 06:24:03 AM
   Something to consider;

   We have laws restricting our work in some areas. What will we do when the law says we cannot go door to door with our books and message ?

I think of the Waldensiuns and how if they said the wrong thing to the wrong person the entire family might die. Even children canvassed and one wrong word could mean death for the whole family and yet they worked on. Then I consider how many SDAs react to the idea of canvassing with terror because someone might reject them verbally. The reformers are a strong rebuke to our pathetic condition.

   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 01, 2014, 08:08:47 AM
SOP says we will continue up until the COP
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 05, 2014, 05:56:53 PM
 
 The other night the children and I were out magabooking and we came upon a tiny old house. I peeked around back as we walked up and saw a young man either getting into or out of his car and talking to someone. I quietly waved for the children to go around back. I followed. The young man had tattoos and buttons for earrings. The children canvassed him and despite his appearance he spoke quite nice to them. He said that he would take a book for $20 and reached into his billfold but replied that he had nothing until pay day. I asked what kind of work he did. He said he worked down at the bar. This fit his appearance. He said, just a minute I think I have some change inside for a donation for the kidos. He came out with $5.00 worth of quarters and said, I hope that is ok."  This young man likely gave his last bit of change. Some people are like that, money seems to be mean nothing to them. I gave  him a Happiness Digest and thanked him. How many of us would give our last $5.00 until payday and for a donation. I was much impressed. You just wish you could do more for  someone like that.

Then at another house the children knocked and an elderly lady came out. She was very nice and apologized for not inviting us in. she said her husband has prostrate cancer. All four of his brothers have the same. She purchased a Seven Secrets cook book. I wanted to tell her a whole seminar on diet and cancer but I sensed that it just would have burdened her and not made any difference. In her mind it was just her husband's genes. I kind of chuckled when she stepped in the house and said to her husband in kind of a take charge military voice " give  me a 20."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 05, 2014, 06:02:29 PM
Well, they knocked on a few doors the next evening and we noticed that a big front was moving in and it began to sprinkle. We  had hardly gotten started. I said, "run and knock on that door on the corner and I'll pick you up and we'll call it quits." I prayed that the children would be blessed. They do not sell nearly as much with out me. They were there for spell so I had hope as I prayed. Then they both came running and daughter said, " I sold a Great Controversy !" " I sold a Great Controversy!"  "The man said", " I'll take that one with the flag on the cover, it looks interesting." We sell mostly cook books so that was a real blessing !

My goal is for the children to sell 100 magabooks, put out 750 tracts, and give away 250 Steps To Christ.  We are about there.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 06, 2014, 05:46:47 PM
Satan has struck me down....  I did not get out this Sabbath as I wanted too... and couldn't give the sermon prepared...  Oh well...  need to pray for more protection for the work that I must continue to do... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 08, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
Satan has struck me down....  I did not get out this Sabbath as I wanted too... and couldn't give the sermon prepared...  Oh well...  need to pray for more protection for the work that I must continue to do...

He does take his best shots doesn't he? Last night we were finishing up working a  small town. A lady at the door got on us about working in her town and asked why we were not working in the town we lived in. I answered that we had already worked that town and the next town as well. She read us the riot act about permits and such so I replied, "  you need to have us arrested then." That kind of took her back. She said, "well I'm not going to buy your books."  That was fine. Many do not.

On the way home we visited two families that were special interests from our bookin a couple of weeks ago. The first was the drunk lady and her Hispanic husband. This was the house with the "NO SOLICITATION" on the door and where the couple purchased three books. The lady was under the weather again  :wink: but the husband came out and we talked. My daughter gave him a craft she made for them that said something about loving Jesus. He was touched. When I took his photo with the children this former Texan said " I got a do one thing" he put the tract about the Sabbath in his mouth and held up the Texas longhorn" signal with both hands. I snapped the picture but I must have shown some kind of ugh because he put his hands down and said, " I can tell what you're thinking."  I replied, "what am I thinking?"  He continued, " that its evil."  I said, well, I do not want to offend you but that is a Satanic signal."  "No!", he replied, "what does it mean!"  I said, it is Satan's goat horns. I took a couple of pics with his hands down. He gave all three of us a nice big hug. We talked a bit and left for the next interest's house.

This was the devout young Catholic man that I spoke of previously that purchased 3 books and then gave us a $35 donation to boot. He was out mowing the lawn when we stopped. He shut off the mower. I explained that we were most thankful for his generosity and soft heart. He said " Yah, I had a bit of anxiety when you stopped (probably thought we were JWS) but everything was ok. My daughter handed him a gift of appreciation, a new glossy paperback GC. I did not know if he would take it. I explained that this book is about history and about the global war on freedom; that it has changed the life of many people and I have read it 9 times. He took the book and thanked us. YES Lord !!!
   I know he will have plenty of "anxiety" when he reads it but I told the children we need to be faithful; the man needs the truth. If his heart is seeking God he will recover and follow the truth. We need to be as kind, and tender and discerning and we can be but we also need to do that which may put our friendship at risk in order to reach people. This man already has a Steps to Christ but I believe at this time he needs more on prophetic events. We are told that the Lord would like to see that book in EVERY home.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on July 08, 2014, 04:12:37 PM
Me and my curiosity questions!  What is a Texas longhorn signal?  What is Satan's goat horns?  And did he know that it was a tract about the Sabbath that he was holding with his mouth, or no significance with that, just something he happened to be holding?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on July 08, 2014, 04:26:25 PM
Tammy, I could be wrong, but I think the "hook 'em Longhorns" is making a fist with the thumb and little finger sticking out like horns. Of course the Longhorns refer to the University of Texas team mascot. I believe it is the same as the Hawaiian "hang loose" gesture except the Hawaiians rock it from side to side.

For many teenagers and even children it has become popular to flash various gang signs, but in many cases it would be a mistake to conclude that it meant the kid actually had gang connections.  It just means they are trying to look "cool."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on July 08, 2014, 04:57:58 PM
So possible that the guy was just trying to be funny (goofy)?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: sdazeal on July 08, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Oh, I can help here! "Hook 'em Horns" is the same as the "heavy metal devil horns" sign: index finger and pinky extended with thumb crossed over the two center fingers. "Hang Loose" is thumb and pinky extended and waved back and forth. Sign language for "I love you" is like "Hook 'em horns" and "devil sign" except thumb is extended like hang loose but index finger and pinky in the air like devil horns. Got all that?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 08, 2014, 07:20:50 PM
He was just trying to be funny and posing in loyalty to Texas. He did not mean anything wrong by it. My point in bringing this up is two fold. #1 He was very receptive to my reaction even though I took the picture and said nothing. #2 He had a sense that it was evil even though he did not know why.

There are two meanings for many hand signals and Satan loves this. He seems not to care whether people mean the evil meaning or the good meaning. He gets a kick out of it and counterfeits everything. For instance the two fingered peace sign has a pagan origin. The pagan version may be  with the first two fingers closed or open like the peace sign. Catholic's use this symbol everywhere.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 08, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
 We had some very interesting experiences again tonight. One was most educational. My son did not want me to share it but I believe a most interesting message came out of it that is worthy of sharing. Confession time. First though we saw an elderly man sitting behind his house on the patio drinking a beer. I motioned for the children to go back there and I tailed  them a distance back. After they got rolling on their canvass I stepped up and began help out. The man did not seem interested in the health books so I asked him if he likes to read. He said that he did so I pulled a Great Controversy magabook out my case and talked about the global war on freedom and such. He asked for the price and said, " I'll take that one." I gave him a HD , thanked him and we moved on.

Next we went to the next door neighbor's house. The lady was out back as well watering her tomato plants. She had been observing us canvassing the old man and I noticed her as well. She was interested in the health books and asked the price. The way we price our books is $20 for the first  book and $10 or half price for any books after that. The price for the two books she was interested in was $30. She went into the house to get the money. My son said, "she really likes them you should have hiked the price up to $40." "WHAT !" I exclaimed, " we do not do that. That would not be  fair to her. I can't believe you said that !"  The lady came out with two 20 dollar bills and said, " I don't want any change."  I repeated to my son several times, " do you know what God just showed you? He showed you that that which you suggested we do that was wrong He can just as easily bring about honestly by touching people's hearts. If we need more income God is well able to bring it without us doing wrong."   My son confessed that he was weak. Children and adults often speak without thinking. Mostly he was just happy about the success of our visit and said something foolish.
This was a learning experience. It is easy to get caught up in the $$ aspect of this when we are handing $200-$300 cash most nights. I keep reminding the children that we may talk of goals  in terms of $$ but this is about placing books and about souls.

There is an LE saying   

"What's behind the door I cannot tell,
but this I know and I know it well.
The more doors I open the more books I'll sell.
The more books I sell,
the more souls will be in the kingdom,
because.. we.. are sowing.. guaranteed.. seed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 08, 2014, 07:50:25 PM
sad that I was not able to get out last weekend but today it was a joy to restock our dorcas with all the abundance of books and materials I had in my trunk of the car!!  I PTL that people today were taking our materials and asking for more!!!!  It was a wonderful day and all kinds of new people and those in need and seeking the truth!!  really needed that encouragement...  It is my pleasure and God's abundant blessings that I'm able to keep things supplied!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 08, 2014, 08:03:36 PM
The children knocked on the door. They just barely stay at the door long enough to give people a chance to respond and then my son leaves a tract and the children cut across the yard while I usually walk back out to the street and take the long route. This works well because it is better if I lag back a bit anyway.

No one answered and the children had just knocked on the next door when a man existed the previous house and asked what we were up to. The children's canvass goes something like this and my daughter leads out and does most of the talking.  "Hi my name is  ___ and my name is ___ . We're out selling books to earn money to go to camp. This is our Seven Secrets cook book. The food looks good, tastes, good, and is good for you. The recipes help you lower cholesterol, reverse diabetes, and stay out of the doctor's office." Then she flips through the pages.

The man said, do you know what cholesterol is?" My daughter responded " Not exactly."  He asked, "how do the recipes reverse diabetes ?" He was having fun with her. Daughter hesitated with the quizzing and then responded, "they show you how to use the right kind of fat and sugar." The man said, "very good." "  I am a dietician. My wife cooks like that but I sneak out and  eat a little meat now and then."  I replied, "she will like this cook book. It is for you."  "I can see that. I'll take that book and the foods book." He was a very sweet  and thoughtful man .

We ended up talking about spiritual things. His mother was a JW but he does not practice anything. He asked about my church and it gave me opportunity to tell about how we emphasize a message of health. I gave him a HD and a tract on  the Sabbath.  Another divine appointment.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 08, 2014, 08:12:24 PM
sad that I was not able to get out last weekend but today it was a joy to restock our dorcas with all the abundance of books and materials I had in my trunk of the car!!  I PTL that people today were taking our materials and asking for more!!!!  It was a wonderful day and all kinds of new people and those in need and seeking the truth!!  really needed that encouragement...  It is my pleasure and God's abundant blessings that I'm able to keep things supplied!!

Isn't it a joy just to handle the printed page with all that truth ?
Please share some of your experiences with literature.

I'm sure there are others too that have had experiences handing out literature. Please share them.
If not, get on  the stick   :-D  buy some books and leave a paper trail.  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 09, 2014, 11:11:24 AM
sad that I was not able to get out last weekend but today it was a joy to restock our dorcas with all the abundance of books and materials I had in my trunk of the car!!  I PTL that people today were taking our materials and asking for more!!!!  It was a wonderful day and all kinds of new people and those in need and seeking the truth!!  really needed that encouragement...  It is my pleasure and God's abundant blessings that I'm able to keep things supplied!!

Isn't it a joy just to handle the printed page with all that truth ?
Please share some of your experiences with literature.

I'm sure there are others too that have had experiences handing out literature. Please share them.
If not, get on  the stick   :-D  buy some books and leave a paper trail.  :-D

Did I already share the one with a guy that had the KJV bible memorized?  Oh, how I hate to repeat stories...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 09, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
Did I already share the one with a guy that had the KJV bible memorized?  Oh, how I hate to repeat stories...

Ahhhh, not  sure. Some stories are worth repeating and not  everyone goes through all 17 pages.
I have  not met anyone yet that has much of the NIV committed to memory. What does tell us ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 09, 2014, 07:59:49 PM
Business as Usual

We were doing business as usual …very busy at the Dorcas closet and checking people out [we count the # of items – clothing] and helping others find what they are looking for…   I was behind the desk helping with checkout when a young fellow started to talk with one of my coworkers [ I wasn’t paying attention…she quickly said that she could not handle what he was talking about and diverted to me…  Yipes! I thought…what’s happening now? Sometimes I get thrown into these situations totally unexpected and unawares!] 

So, I took a listen and very quickly I realized this man was speaking KJV fluently and perfectly memorized.  I was transfixed and could not turn away.  He kept quoting verse after verse and I would comment and then give another verse.  After maybe 10  minutes or so I realized where this all was going…. he was quoting all the verses about grace and freedom from the law and such.  He was very kind and just talked KJV scripture.  I could not refuse to speak to him because the scripture was so beautiful.  I would just respond with another scripture…it went back and forth for maybe 20 minutes.  There were times when I quoted scripture and I wasn’t sure if it was 1st or 2nd Timothy and he promptly told me which it was…. 

Then I quoted what Jesus said about the law in it’s simple form …Mar 12:30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.   31  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.       
As I began to quote this, he finished it with me.  I said that the law still existed.  Then, I remarked that God cannot change His law because this is how the whole universe is run.  It is run by His LOVE.  The man said nothing…he had no response to this.  Bowed his head took his things and left. 

Then, to my amazement….all the people that were shopping in the place rushed to the front and grabbed all of our literature like piranhas … we were picked clean.  I had no idea that anyone else was listening… they were all listening!!  Even the walls had ears I think…. 
Let me say one thing in closing…  all the scriptures brought to my mind in response to his were given me… I could not have rattled off KJV scripture like this man could… but I was given some divine help…. it was not me.  And, just when you think no one is listening…..  ha!  think again.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 09, 2014, 08:11:14 PM
I got a call tonight from Lloyd. He is a man I sold books to a couple of years ago and then again two months ago. He attended some SDA meetings years ago. He is a simple man, perhaps 50 ish, not ignorant but has a youthful mentality. He wants to get together with my family and study; he, his girl friend, and his teenage daughter. He wants to attend an SDA church but the closest church is 50 miles away and I cannot in good conscience send him there. He would like to go with us to our church but to do so would be another 85 mile ride from our house. They may want to do that sometime and the way we talk together time would fly. The only problem is that they would  have to leave home at 6:45 a.m.. That is not realistic for most people to travel round trip 270 miles every Sabbath  Anyway, he and family are coming to our house to study about the Sabbath (his topic of choice) next Sabbath afternoon. Probably the best we  can hope for is that our house and their house becomes their church.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 09, 2014, 08:14:19 PM
Business as Usual

We were doing business as usual …very busy at the Dorcas closet and checking people out [we count the # of items – clothing] and helping others find what they are looking for…   I was behind the desk helping with checkout when a young fellow started to talk with one of my coworkers [ I wasn’t paying attention…she quickly said that she could not handle what he was talking about and diverted to me…  Yipes! I thought…what’s happening now? Sometimes I get thrown into these situations totally unexpected and unawares!] 

So, I took a listen and very quickly I realized this man was speaking KJV fluently and perfectly memorized.  I was transfixed and could not turn away.  He kept quoting verse after verse and I would comment and then give another verse.  After maybe 10  minutes or so I realized where this all was going…. he was quoting all the verses about grace and freedom from the law and such.  He was very kind and just talked KJV scripture.  I could not refuse to speak to him because the scripture was so beautiful.  I would just respond with another scripture…it went back and forth for maybe 20 minutes.  There were times when I quoted scripture and I wasn’t sure if it was 1st or 2nd Timothy and he promptly told me which it was…. 

Then I quoted what Jesus said about the law in it’s simple form …Mar 12:30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.   31  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.       
As I began to quote this, he finished it with me.  I said that the law still existed.  Then, I remarked that God cannot change His law because this is how the whole universe is run.  It is run by His LOVE.  The man said nothing…he had no response to this.  Bowed his head took his things and left. 

Then, to my amazement….all the people that were shopping in the place rushed to the front and grabbed all of our literature like piranhas … we were picked clean.  I had no idea that anyone else was listening… they were all listening!!  Even the walls had ears I think…. 
Let me say one thing in closing…  all the scriptures brought to my mind in response to his were given me… I could not have rattled off KJV scripture like this man could… but I was given some divine help…. it was not me.  And, just when you think no one is listening…..  ha!  think again.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on July 10, 2014, 11:35:26 AM
The man did you a favor - PTL.

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Probably the best we  can hope for is that our house and their house becomes their church.
maybe in the future , Sac Central, 3ABN, Secrets unsealed, Keepers of the Flame, Walter Veith, and onward can supplement his lack of a faithful bricks and mortar SDA Church. 

Too bad Thunder in the Holy Land style meetings could not be done in his locality. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 13, 2014, 08:41:23 PM
Riding the Edge

This evening I canvassed a Catholic couple with a four year old boy. The father was quite knowledgeable about some things for someone that is not in our message. He talked about the Catholic channel a lot so I knew he was fairly tight with the church and yet he seemed open at  the same time. We were in his two Bibles several times regarding the animals entered the ark and then in Revelation 13:11 up to and 13:18. I shared with he and his wife how Rome "calculated"  the number of the names of people with Roman numerals. I added up his name in Roman numerals and then  I rode the edge (some would say gambled) when I said, the official name or title of the highest profile religious man on the planet happens to add up to 666.That's as far as I felt I dared take it. I desired for them to purchase the books and read into more truth than I could share in their home. The father replied with a hint of resistance, " I have heard something like this. Some say this was Pope John Paul II." I replied, even Catholics have rumored that there would be a bad pope at the end. The point is that we can know who this is and it involves doing some math." I wanted to say more ( like, the whole system is corrupt) but that would not have been expedient to the cause at that point. Even though I led up to saying it was the pope I stopped short of saying it and let him say it.

     The wife was dragging her feet on the purchase but I could see in the father's expression that he wanted to go for it. I suggested  that I go sit in my vehicle while they talked it over. They approved so I did so and prayed fervently while I waited. 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes passed and they did not come to  the door to let me know they had made a decision one way or the other. I was getting a little nervous. Long is good but this was too long. 25 minutes, 30 minutes, still no one appeared. This was  longer than I have ever waited before and I suspected  they were on the internet pricing. I went back and rang the door bell apologizing for cutting them short.
    "Well," the mother said, we found them on the internet for about half the price but my husband still wants to get them from you." I asked, " are you sure those on the internet have stitched in bindings?"  They were not sure. I continued, "do  they give you a lifetime warrantee on the bindings?" They replied, "no."  I asked, "do they give you a 10 months same as cash payment plan?"  The reply, "no."   Do they offer you two adult volumes with the Bible Story set?"  Reply, "no."  I could see they were going ahead with the purchase but they were struggling over whether to choose the Bible Readings or the Desire of Ages. I suggested the Great Controversy but  father wanted the Bible Readings and mother wanted the Desire of Ages so I suggested the Bible Readings and gave them a DA magabook free with their purchase. I could tell that the father was in favor of the purchase all the way and the mother ended up very much in agreement.  I will mail them or drop off a Mark of the Beast or Great Controversy paper back in the future. I offered prayer and father and son followed me out to my vehicle to get their books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 05, 2014, 08:30:14 AM
  Good experiences the past few days at the nearby country fair have been nothing short of incredible and they were plentiful !

Not only passers by but a unit of fellow vendors were closely drawn together and a sense of the seriousness of the time was apparent not however without some light moments. Never has it been more apparent than that the Lord orchestrated who would be working around our literature booth. Whenever we vendors were not talking to the public we ( three of us) were talking among ourselves and sometimes (not often) our discussion was so absorbed that we neglected those who stopped at our booth. We were especially engaged in dialog regarding health but often it was spiritual dialog with Bible open. It tuned out that one man believes in the Sabbath and wishes to go to church with me however he lives 90 minutes away and I drive almost that far the other direction to go to church.

The question on my drawing box invited some very interesting discussion.

ANSWER QUESTION CORRECTLY AND WIN A FREE BOOK.

WHAT ROLE WITH THE UNITED STATES PLAY IN LAST DAY EVENTS  ( according to Rev 13:11 )

Good ?         Bad ?        Neutral   ?


Some would stop and read the question and you could see the gears turning. Some would guess and say "bad." The best responses were  " I don't think the US is spoken of in the Bible"  or " The US is not referred to in the Bible ? "     

One vendor came back the next day and said, " I looked that verse up last night when I got home and I don't see how you came up with that."   We had a short study right there on the words " beast- Dan. 7:23 / lamb John 1:29  / and dragon- Rev. 12:9. Then about this Christian nation being a superpower according to following verses. The lady responded " but this nation is no longer Christian." I replied, " and that is exactly what the Bible says."  Her response was, " Ok, I see.

A man and his wife stopped by and viewed the question. I shared the same with them. They were most interested. When I handed the retired Methodist pastor a free copy of the " Mark of the Beast" He replied with firmness, " I'll take it and I will read it !"     What more could one ask for ?

A man in his 60s wearing a Vietnam veterans cap stopped at the booth. We did the  study together. He was receptive but I could tell he had some baggage. When another approached the booth and I invited them to sign up for the drawing the vet left. A while later he returned and said very politely, " I have a question for you. What religion are you part of?"   I replied while lifting up my Bible, " I am a Bible believing Christian and that is the most important thing, but not to avoid your question I am a Seventh day Adventist." The man then said that he grew up SDA and went through our schools. Then he was drafted and sent off to Nam as a medic. He said it really  messed him up and he fell away from God and went through two divorces. He said that he should have been killed last year when he had a motorcycle accident and is not sure why God spared him. With a real sweet smile and a Texas drawl he said, " I guess God is keeping me around to show others what not to be."   I replied, I don't think so.   He is taking some meds and seeing some counselors/shrinks but I was impressed that he just needs some good friends and the Lord. I offered to have prayer with him and he was most receptive and had tears in his eyes when we finished.

Others stopped at the booth  and we had studies. One mother was right on the same page with us. I knew she , her husband, and 18 year old daughter were interests when the mother pointed to the paperback MOB on the table and said to her daughter, "There you go." We had a 30 minute David Asherick type study ( motor mouth) and the mother said  " I have goose bumps" when I showed her that Webster's dictionary identifies the Scarlet Woman of Revelation 17:4 as the RCC.

Most that passed by or stopped did not read or engage in the question but requested information on their drawing card. Different strokes for different folks. Two of the vendors want to keep in touch and either study together or purchase books from me later.  Two vendors bartered these product for my books.

We are living in the days that when we light our selves on fire by sharing the truth some will come not only to watch us burn but to burn WITH us !

Two ,more days and off to another fair. If you are so inclined please include these campaigns in your prayers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 09, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Two nights ago I ventured over to the JW booth in the next building. We ended up on a study of Rev. 13:11. The lady seemed receptive for the most part unless she was just humoring me. She did however suggest that the verse might refer to the UN. I asked if the UN rose up out of sparseness of people (the earth) and if it was founded on Christian principles ? She did not pursue that any further and said we were pretty much together.

The only other objection was that she said the US would not be here when the other beast was active. I shared with her verse verse 14 where it says " And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do  in the SIGHT of the BEAST..."  She dropped that one too.

 I wish I would have stopped there because when I brought the study toward keeping the commandments we parted company as they are braced against literally keeping the Ten Commandments. The conversation warmed up considerably and I am not happy with how it ended. She wanted to study with me Acts chapter 15. I did not wish to take more time with her and she implied that I was dodging her even though I invited her to come to my booth and we could go through it. This morning I put together a 5 page study on Acts 15 and presented it to elders at the booth today. The lady was not there so I asked them to pass it on to her.
 
When I explained that it was a study on Acts 15 regarding the lady's claim about the Ten Commandments being done way with we ended up talking about the letter of the law. I said that the letter of  the law alone kills but trying to keep the principle while ignoring the letter is disobedience. When the two men frowned I said, " for  instance we would not suggest that a man may commit adultery ( ignore the letter) as long as he keeps the principle (does not lust) or that as longer as a man does not hate  his brother (the principle) he may murder him (ignoring the letter). The leading elder replied, "ok, I see where you are coming from." I finished by saying ,"it is the principle and the letter together that is obedience." Even though we were not talking specifically about the Sabbath that is where my mind was and ultimately this is  why the JWs attempt to do away with the Decalogue. I find that dealing with "the letter of the law" that way stifles in the JWs that rationalization for spiritualizing away the 10 commandments.

Of course, they have more escape routes than there are rat holes in New York City. When we close enough doors they scurry away.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 09, 2014, 02:20:38 PM
A man and his wife just left our literature the booth. Even though things have been very slow the past 3 days do to a festival nearby where 10,000 people purchased tickets and are listening to 4 bands set up out in the pasture, this young couple was a primary reason I'm here today. This man is a conservative Lutheran and former Catholic. This well built, athletic looking man in his late 30s believes in the historical approach to studying prophecy. We hit the high points of Daniel 2 and 7 as well as Revelation 12, 13, and 17. He was amazed when I was able to show him from Webster's dictionary the identification of the Scarlet Woman. I also had some pictures of the prelates from google who were dressed in purple and scarlet. Then we went through Rev. 13:18 and used Roman numerals to add up his name and then that of the pope. Though he had never seen many of these things before we were on the same page. He was most happy to take a Mark of the Beast paperback  with him. He had his appetite peeked enough to take and I trust, read the book. It was about 20 minutes of rapid study with him reading a few verses. He realizes that this nation is falling and it makes sense to him that the Vatican and the US would be key players. The correct interpretation of Rev. 13:11 resonates with many of the people today because they see this nation crumbling away before their eyes and they do not have a good feeling about our future.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 09, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
  Live Literature booth news update. The previous couple I posted about earlier today stopped by my booth on their way home. They would like personal Bible Studies and the husband said, " Here, you need a little gas money for going around doing what you're doing. He took out a $20 and laid it on the drawing box. "Ahhhhh, you melt my heart, " was my response. It's nice to be appreciated. Moments before that a man stopped by and was surprised that I would put Unitarian and Seventh day Adventists  on my sheet of churches that use our books. I replied that Unitarians need our books as much as anyone. Then he commented on SDAs being so far out as to not even believing in the Trinity.  I replied that they do believe in the trinity. He said, "no they don't." I replied calmly, " I know that they do because I am one."  He said, you believe that there are three equal, co eternal persons in the godhead ?" I replied, " that's right." He walked away. Perhaps he knew some in our church that do not believe the fundamental teachings of the SDA church regarding this but at least now he knows the church's position.

Now the people are headed over to the big building as the hypnotist is about ready to begin.  :evil: :-P
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on August 10, 2014, 02:18:31 PM
When you talk to people about Rev. 13:11, what exactly do you say to them about the beast being like a lamb and then speaking like a dragon?  Do you get specific?  Do you mention the Sunday law at that point or what?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 10, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
When you talk to people about Rev. 13:11, what exactly do you say to them about the beast being like a lamb and then speaking like a dragon?  Do you get specific?  Do you mention the Sunday law at that point or what?

No, it is not necessary to take it that far. Currently my response is " you may have heard in the news that this year the president tried to pass a law that would allow the military/gov't to use drones to strike US citizens. Fortunately the law did not pass but we can easily see the spirit of the dragon at work. Depending on the degree of interest I may branch out from there and identify the first beast of Rev. 13 and how even Webster's dictionary correctly identifies the Whore. Then I often share one of the key reasons our southern boarder is left wide open and people are even bused into our country. ( the Catholic vote) Obviously there must be a good degree of interest at that point and I do not share that with Catholics unless they give evidence of being very open. Conservative Lutherans and Methodists that have an interest in prophecy eat that up particularly those who were former Catholics. There is much more a person can share if they have time and want to here more. I have also shared how horns on an animal are its means of defense and protection. Therefore the horns would represent forms of governing that would give the beast/nation power and security. The two aspects of our government that do that is "civil liberty" and "religious freedom." We will soon loose both.
Often I share how 4 times in Rev. 13 and 2 times in Rev. "worship is the issue and some of those times it is forced worship. Sometimes I will share Rev 14:11 and 12 and emphasize that one main factor that separates the saved from the lost is that the saved are keeping God's commandments. If so, impressed I will continue that there is one commandment today that most of even the most devout church goers have forgotten and yet it is the one that starts with the word "Remember." After I show them the commandment I ask, " do you know what day is the seventh day?"  I do not take it this far sometimes  but sometimes I do and even take it further. That is a big chunk of hay but some people are on board enough and seem to grasp enough to take it that far. Of course much of this is just a major priming of the pump so they will read the book that I will give them free or sell them later.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on August 10, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
Have you ever actually told someone that we will someday lose our religious liberty?  Or I suppose when you point out in Revelation that there will be forced worship, that would explain it.  Does anybody ever say that they just don't see how that could ever happen?  Or maybe you don't get that kind of response now days?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 10, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
Have you ever actually told someone that we will someday lose our religious liberty?  Or I suppose when you point out in Revelation that there will be forced worship, that would explain it.  Does anybody ever say that they just don't see how that could ever happen?  Or maybe you don't get that kind of response now days?

 I tell them that all the time with verses like " And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." Rev. 13:12.

Twenty years ago some said that that could never happen in America. Since Obama became president no one says that anymore accept a few Obama fans and I rarely canvass one of them. People see the change and the interested ones seem more open.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: GraceVessel on August 10, 2014, 07:47:32 PM
Agreed CP... if people "really understood" the Patriot act... and what it portends (possibility wise) in the future with loss of personal rights and freedoms...  let's just say we are being "rocked to sleep"... with the "appearance of peace and safety"... in the US.

I am not a consp.. theorist... but.. you don't need to "read tea leaves"... to get the gest of what is coming in the near future.

with kind regards,

Gracevessel
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 11, 2014, 06:03:09 AM
 GV;

  Yes, and if our people really understood what is happening they would realize that both parties are knit together at the top. Let's face it. There is a conspiracy. It began in heaven and is culminating here.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 17, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
 I chased free drawing cards all day but no one home after 13 stops and about 100 miles of driving. Finally, someone was home but was headed out the door. We set up an appointment for Thursday at the young lady's church. It should be interesting since her pastor will be there. I have talked to him before and he grew up with the Bible Stories. The lady is interested in Daniel and Revelation.

I then canvassed the same lady's sister and her husband who live right next door. It turned into a long but very good Bible study. They were riveted. They purchased the Bible Stories for their 6 and 13 year old and the TGL/ Great Controversy for themselves. I loaned them Christian Berdahl's DVDs on music. They asked me to bring them a copy of the MOB when I returned.

I stopped at another home but it was getting on the late side for some  and the lady was going in for a C section tomorrow. She asked that I come back in two weeks and she would set down with me then.

Finally, at another home the father was home but the wife not. We set up another appointment for Thursday  evening. Sundays can be a tough day to connect as so few people stay home on that day.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 18, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
we do ours on Sabbath afternoon... must always pray that Jesus goes before us softening hearts...
maybe at some point I'll share an interesting one going on...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 18, 2014, 08:02:24 PM
we do ours on Sabbath afternoon... must always pray that Jesus goes before us softening hearts...
maybe at some point I'll share an interesting one going on...

Go for it !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 18, 2014, 08:16:30 PM
 Tonight I canvassed a man who just went through a divorce and is living with his mother. He has three boys. They are not Bible people but want it for the children. They did not even know about Adam and Eve or the flood. How can anyone be that much in the dark ? They seemed interested but it was mostly for the children. It looked like they would purchase the books for them and I spent a long time with them.  As it turned out they did not purchase a thing and it put me 30 minutes late for my next appointment. I was concerned because the people I was to canvass next were expecting friends over to grill steaks at 6:30. When I got their the husband was grilling and I only had about 15 minutes to canvass. That is seldom a good scenario as people tend to be rushed and preoccupied in that setting. Some are also sensitive that their friends might think they are "religious." The mother however was very friendly and seemed at ease with all the commotion. She sat across from me with two boys  on her knees the small one being very fussy. I skipped the warm up as I knew I would need every bit of time for the canvass. I gave her very short canvass leaving out 70 % of it and thinking I would be fortunate to sell her a few magabooks under the rushed circumstances. However, the Catholic mother matter of factly purchased the Bible Stories and the Great Controversy, wrote me out a $200.00 check for the down payment and we set it up 10 months same as cash. I went out and got the books for her, left a couple of free books and was on my way. You can never second guess the Lord. The good looking prospects took much of my time and purchased nothing and the most unlikely scenario is the one where 12  volumes of books were placed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 19, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
amazing story.... we never know do we... :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on August 19, 2014, 04:01:48 PM
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  This Ethiopian represented a large class who need to be taught by such missionaries as Philip--men who will hear the voice of God and go where He sends them. There are many who are reading the Scriptures who cannot understand their true import. All over the world men and women are looking wistfully to heaven. Prayers and tears and inquiries go up from souls longing for light, for grace, for the Holy Spirit. Many are on the verge of the kingdom, waiting only to be gathered in.  {AA 109.1}   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 19, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
amazing story.... we never know do we... :-)

 No,  we do not. The following experience that took place this evening is a perfect example.

     The Big Guns !

 I found the rural address on the fair card and pulled into the yard. There were cats galore and as I walked through the garage there was a strong odor and more cats. I knocked at the door and a heavy set lady in her sixties answered. When I explained why I was there she invited me in. The house was unkept. I was invited to sit at the table. The daughter who was perhaps 30 came and sat down as well with her two year old and new baby. As we went through the canvass the older lady explained that they all work at Mc Donalds. The son sat across the room and was either on his cell phone and or watching tv, however, every few minutes he would look over at me. I wondered if he was upset at me being there. That is not uncommon when a family member sits across the room and watches. We were interrupted many times with phone calls. From appearances I was thinking that my best shot was to sell some magabooks but you never know.

    At about the right time a man in his sixties entered the room from outdoors. He had a long white Moses type beard. I said, " ah pa is home!" Not having any idea how he would respond. His wife said, "yah pa is home." He sat down and I doubled back through the canvass. He really liked the Bible Readings and when I showed him in the Bible stories  that many of the animals went into the ark by sevens he said, "nahhhh!"  I asked for their Bible. Daughter went and got her nice Bible and opened the box. I kindly said with a smile, "that Bible should be worn out." I read Genesis 7:2 -3  and when I got to the word "seven" I stopped, held my finger under the word and held the Bible over so daughter could read aloud the word "seven." Pa, said, "you got a be kidding me." I stated, "you see, not only can you learn from the Bible Readings, but you can learn from the Bible Story books too.

     Well, they did not think they had enough in the checking account to cover the down payment. Pa said, " I don't suppose you would accept cash?" "Oh," I said, "we're old fashioned enough to accept cash."  :-D  Pa, said, " I have been saving up for a 91 (some kind of gun) but maybe I could cover part of the down payment and ma could cover part with a posted dated check. He returned with his stash. He said, "I got $160.00, do  you have change?" I saw that he had in his hand along with that amount two crisp $100 dollar bills so I said, "you could just put an even $200 down and that would make your payments smaller." Pa replied, "but I was saving that up for old 91. With the president we got I may need that." I said while pointing to the Bible Readings " These are  the big guns." 8-)  The son said, "ah, you will still have time to get that gun." Daughter said, "come on pa cough it up."  Pa coughed it up and was happy to do so. I went out to get the books and was bitten in the ankle by their ankle biter. All in an evenings work.

     I offered prayer and left. The son followed me out and said, " I got a question for you. In the end times will the United States be against other countries?" You see we had a study in the house on Rev. 13.  I replied, well, I think much of the world will follow the US. I gave him a paperback book on the MOB. He was very happy. I set up two appointments after leaving the home and had my goal for the day. Even though I am working only part time averaging about 4-5 hours a day the Lord has been giving me my goal of averaging placing one Bible Story set and SOP book or more a day.

By the way, thanks for that Inspiring quote, Ed. How true it is and we have been given the message for the people.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 19, 2014, 07:55:44 PM
great story....

on a side note... the clean animals were by SEVENS.. in other words, pairs of sevens... many people miss that or maybe they do not have a KJV...

the movies don't show this and even the bible story does not show it pictured as such... but we live and learn
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 19, 2014, 08:04:58 PM
great story....

on a side note... the clean animals were by SEVENS.. in other words, pairs of sevens... many people miss that or maybe they do not have a KJV...

the movies don't show this and even the bible story does not show it pictured as such... but we live and learn

 Actually some translations say "seven pairs" and the KJV says "by sevens."That is controversial. I am not convinced that the KJV is wrong.  Anyway, they had a KJV. That is not a point I argue over. Most people are amazed that not all the animals went in by twos. That one point has been instrumental in selling a lot of sets of books and it is a lead in to the health message.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on August 20, 2014, 08:49:22 AM
the clean animals were by SEVENS.. in other words, pairs of sevens

Does this mean seven pairs?

Oh, I hadn't read CP's post yet, but guess it's still not clear.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on August 20, 2014, 08:55:16 AM
CP, just a little suggestion.  Putting in a paragraph break every now and then would make the reading of your interesting stories just a little easier.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 21, 2014, 11:03:05 AM
the clean animals were by SEVENS.. in other words, pairs of sevens

Does this mean seven pairs?

Oh, I hadn't read CP's post yet, but guess it's still not clear.

yes, it means 7 pairs of clean... most people don't know this and I don't think Maxwell knew it either... 

think about it ...if it was just 7 would that mean 6 females and 1 male?  or 3 males and 4 females?  it doesn't make sense... but it does make sense that all the animals were by pairs... a male and a female of it's kind and for the clean animals it would be by 7 pairs...

they were needed for food and for sacrifices...

God bless
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 21, 2014, 01:05:44 PM
the clean animals were by SEVENS.. in other words, pairs of sevens

Does this mean seven pairs?

Oh, I hadn't read CP's post yet, but guess it's still not clear.

yes, it means 7 pairs of clean... most people don't know this and I don't think Maxwell knew it either... 

think about it ...if it was just 7 would that mean 6 females and 1 male?  or 3 males and 4 females?  it doesn't make sense... but it does make sense that all the animals were by pairs... a male and a female of it's kind and for the clean animals it would be by 7 pairs...

they were needed for food and for sacrifices...

God bless

Accept for one thing. That would take twice as many clean animals and twice as much food and space. That wouldn't be necessary as one buck for six does will produce one shy of as many fawns as 14 deer. I don't know how often they sacrificed animals but it doesn't seem likely they sacrificed one lamb/sheep every day.
That brings up the question did they sacrifice male sheep right away ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on August 21, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Using the silent messengers to tell us. 

Genesis 8:20  And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

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Noah did not forget God who had so graciously preserved them, but immediately [on coming out of the ark] erected an altar and. . . offered burnt offerings on the altar, showing his faith in Christ the great sacrifice, and manifesting his gratitude to God for their wonderful preservation. The offering of Noah came up before God like a sweet savor. He accepted the offering, and blessed Noah and his family. . . .  {AG 132.4} 
     And lest man should be terrified with gathering clouds, and falling rains, . . . God graciously encourages the family of Noah by a promise. "And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood. . . . And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations. I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. . . . And the bow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth" (Genesis 9:11-16).  {AG 132.5} 



 
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At last an angel descended from heaven, opened the massive door, and bade the patriarch and his household go forth upon the earth and take with them every living thing. In the joy of their release Noah did not forget Him by whose gracious care they had been preserved. His first act after leaving the ark was to build an altar and offer from every kind of clean beast and fowl a sacrifice, thus manifesting his gratitude to God for deliverance and his faith in Christ, the great sacrifice. This offering was pleasing to the Lord; and a blessing resulted, not only to the patriarch and his family, but to all who should live upon the earth. "The Lord smelled a sweet savor; and the Lord said in His heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake. . . . While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." Here was a lesson for all succeeding generations. Noah had come forth upon a desolate earth, but before preparing a house for himself he built an altar to God. His stock of cattle was small, and had been preserved at great expense; yet he cheerfully gave a part to the Lord as an acknowledgment that all was His. In like manner it should be our first care to render our freewill offerings to God. Every manifestation of His mercy and love toward us should be gratefully acknowledged, both by acts of devotion and by gifts to His cause.  {PP 105.4} 


 
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Noah did not forget God who had so graciously preserved them, but immediately erected an altar and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar, showing his faith in Christ the great sacrifice, and manifesting his gratitude to God for their wonderful preservation. The offering of Noah came up before God like a sweet savor. He accepted the offering, and blessed Noah and his family. Here a lesson is taught all who should live upon the earth, that for every manifestation of God's mercy and love toward them, the first act of all should be to render to him grateful thanks and humble worship.  {1SP 76.2}  {ST, March 6, 1879 par. 9}

I mean in this thread of all threads ........ we just gotta go to the message books .    :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 22, 2014, 06:26:13 AM
Yes, there is no disagreement that Noah sacrificed the clean animals. That is one of  the two reasons why  the animals were sent into the ark by sevens. What I would propose  is that there was not a daily sacrifice of animals. Considering that there may have been only one variety of cattle ( or just a hand full) even at 7 pairs the cattle would become extinct in two weeks.

The key word in my last sentence is  "male."  "That brings up the question did they sacrifice male sheep right away ?"


 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on August 22, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
Leviticus 1:3  If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

Leviticus 1:10  And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.

Leviticus 3:1  And if his oblation be a sacrifice of peace offering, if he offer it of the herd; whether it be a male or female, he shall offer it without blemish before the LORD.

Leviticus 3:6  And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.

Leviticus 4:23  Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:

Leviticus 4:28  Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

Leviticus 4:32  And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

Leviticus 5:6  And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.

It seems the typology of the sin offering was not always male.  I was premature in my estimation.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 25, 2014, 08:47:43 AM
 
 Partnering with the Police


The new Bible worker and I stopped by the home of Brian and Heather. I had not yet met them. They stopped by and signed up for the free drawing that the Bible worker displayed at the county fair. Brian was out in the garage building a shelf. He is a nice looking young man of about thirty years old sporting a crew cut and a few tattoos; one on his back "Matthew 5:9."

He someone hesitantly invited us into his house. We were seated in the living room while his wife was at the counter working on supper. I wanted her in on the canvass so asked if another time would be better. Brian said, "no, now is fine."

 Brian is a police officer in the city of 150,000 people. He and Heather have two preschoolers and one on the way due in two months. I tried to do my best going back and forth with the books to where Heather felt included. At one point Heather sat down on the floor with a Bible story book and both little ones came over and looked at the book.

At the close Brian said they would like the books but objected to the price. With my price comparison close that is not common but it does happen. I stated that our Bible stories cost $70 in the 50's. If we were to keep pace with the increase in the price of gasoline in the last 60 years from .25 a gallon to $3.50 the cost of the Bible Stories would be $1000.00. I showed the couple a little Golden book type book that I purchased from the Christian book store 10 years ago and asked Heather what she thought I might have paid for it. She replied, " $10.00."  I responded as I showed her the receipt I had taped to the back cover, " I must have gotten a bargain as this one cost just $5.24. " Then I shared that if we were to produce the Bible stories like this and make 409 little books and charge even $5.00  a story the set would cost $2000.00.

   Then I told the story of the time I canvassed a poor family. I was feeling guilty for quoting the price of a set of children's books at $250.00.  Then the Lord brought to my mind that while I was canvassing the children were in and out of the frig many times. They had drank perhaps 4-6 cans of pop. I noticed the garbage can in the corner of the room with pop and beer cans stacked half way to the ceiling. I asked the parents if they would be willing to give up one can of pop a day to purchase books that would educate their children for heaven ? They purchased the books.

I dropped down to a package of magabooks. They were  4 books, 3 for the children and then the Great Controversy with the American flag  on the cover. The price, $49.95. Brian said, " I tell you what I'll do. I'll buy those books and give you another $50 for the next family that cannot afford the books. Give them the books free." I praised him for joining us in our missionary work.

Brian said that "we all know what's coming and I just wish Christian books as a whole were cheaper. People need to be able to afford books that share the gospel." The Bible worker and I explained that we give away a lot of free material and free Bible study courses. He set them up with a free 17 lesson Bible course and said he would return in a week or two to see how they were coming on their lesson. I shared that no one is restricted from getting the gospel because of their finances. I also shared my net income as a result of the price of fuel  and my willingness to finance books interest free for up to a year. It is not even close to minimum wage.

Brian ended by saying, "you are doing a very good work going into people's homes like this and sharing religious books. I could never do what you are doing." I replied, "I probably could never do what you do either. You have courage to do what you do because in some cases it saves lives. I have courage to do what I do because in some instances it saves lives for eternity. "

We offered prayer, a couple of free publications and moved on.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 27, 2014, 04:54:16 PM
Pastor and veteran colporteur leader Russ Thomas has led out in the literature work in various countries such as Korea. He has canvassed and sold our books to Kings and Queens and various world leaders. He is up there in age but is still pastoring and helping out with the LE work in Michigan.  Russ has a wonderful old book that he had published years ago, entitled "Adventures Unlimited !"

The following is a short version from memory of one story in the book.
A colporteur was working in another country I believe it was a Muslim country but not for sure. The colporteur had collected a good deal of funds that day from books delivered previously when he was approached on the street by a thief. The thief threatened his life and said to cough up the money, all of it! The colporteur resisted but realized that  his life was at stake so he relinquished the hard earned cash. He was much depressed as this money would be needed to purchase more books. The thief stuffed the money in his pocket and then ordered  the colporteur to undress so he could swap clothes with him. The thief had worn clothes and it would be harder for the police to identify him in the colporteur's nice clothes. So they swapped clothes and the thief ran away. The colporteur  thought, "how much worse could it have been? I lost all my funds and even my clothes." When he reached into the pants pocket he  felt his wad of cash. The thief in his greed had left the cash  behind in his clothes. The colporteur praised the Lord as he headed on home. All he had lost was a pair of clothes.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on August 27, 2014, 07:02:55 PM
Cp. I understand completely. If I was a thief I would very likely do the same thing. As my late neighbor Sam use to say, "My memory is what I use to forget things with. :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 28, 2014, 08:27:14 AM
Cp. I understand completely. If I was a thief I would very likely do the same thing. As my late neighbor Sam use to say, "My memory is what I use to forget things with. :-D

Larry;

 That's kind of like the saying, "I have a great memory. The only draw back is it is so short."  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 08, 2014, 08:41:38 AM

 Literature to Counteract Evil Literature.--Let every Seventh-day Adventist ask himself, "What can I do to proclaim the third angel's message?" Christ came to this world to give this message to His servant to give to the churches. It is to be proclaimed to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. How are we to give it? The distribution of our literature is one means by which the message is to be proclaimed. Let every believer scatter broadcast tracts and leaflets and books containing the message for this time. Colporteurs are needed who will go forth to circulate our publications everywhere....  {PM 349.1}
 
     Satan is busy in this department of his work, scattering literature which is debasing the morals and poisoning the minds of the young. Infidel publications are scattered broadcast throughout the land. Why should not every member of the church be as deeply interested in sending forth publications that will elevate the minds of the people, and bring the truth directly before them? These papers and tracts are for the light of the world, and have often been instrumental in converting souls.--ChS 145, 146.  {PM 349.2}
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 24, 2014, 07:24:11 AM
Please pray for Robert and Nancy. They have purchased books from me 5-6 times in the past 20 years. There are no finer, sweeter people.They are in their early fifties. The problem is they have largely not read their books. Nancy did use the Bible Stories to teach with at church but other than that the books have been little read. They love the experience we share when I stop. They love the books. They know they should read them. They seem to have a hard time grasping the need to seek out the truth as a hid treasure. They will study with me but seem hindered from grasping deeper things. Robert can grasp better than Nancy but he has a hard time reading. Many years ago he spent time in prison due to a car accident in which he suffered a head injury. He was converted there. He is smart enough its just that he has a problem focusing and reading. I remember well my first visit with them almost 20 years ago. As I shared the story "Mother's Hands from the Bedtime stories Robert wept like one whose closest friend had just died. When his girly friend Nancy stopped in he asked me to tell the story again for Nancy. Robert wept all over again with sobs. That's how soft his heart is.

 Last night they purchased a large set of health books along with a Desire pf Ages illustrated. They now have 54 volumes of books and tapes. While  they are careful how they spend their money they are always ready to buy more books from me. Robert asked last night as he held up the books, " Will these books tell me what vegetables to buy when I am in the supermarket?"  We talked and studied about pork and the Sabbath. They did not resist but simply asked about Peter's vision. We studied that through. Robert  has severe arthritis in his back most likely due in part to his auto accident.

Tomorrow I will stop buy  and drop off the rest of the books that I did not have with me at the canvass. I will leave them a goodly amount of produce from my garden, potatoes, squash, watermelon, cukes, carrots, and apples. I will make up a couple of jars of carrot juice for them to try.

These dear people are precious. It's just that they seem to lack the ability to see the significance for the need to make changes. It is my prayer that God will lay them to rest before the coming crisis if they are not able to see the truth or are too weak to follow it. They are in good hands with God but I still am concerned for them.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 24, 2014, 07:40:44 AM
 
 The publishing work is in much need of prayer. The Presses are in trouble and right now there are a number of books that are not even available to the LE. There is talk of discontinuing the publishing of the Bible Stories and the Michigan publishing program, the last hold out up north, is flailing away. Down south, the last hold out is currently discussing dissolving the program down there as well and going cash. That's too bad because a goodly number of books are still being sold down there. Many in the work seem not able to carry on the work without a program, without leaders and LE functions. This is all symptomatic of the Laodicean condition. There are not many Elijah's left and not many Hebrew worthies who will stand up when the music is played. However, we have not been called to lean on the arm of flesh but on the arm of God !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 25, 2014, 07:11:15 AM
Are there other places where we can still get these books?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 25, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Are there other places where we can still get these books?

 :wink:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 25, 2014, 06:11:17 PM
pm me and tell me where you get them... I want to make an order
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 27, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
Today I talked with a new young pastor. How much they simply parrot what leadership has said to them over and over again. He said, " not everyone is called to be an LE."  One would think that there is a huge campaign going to force everyone into this ministry and that we have an over supply. Most states  do not have even one full time LE. At one LE per state, and there is nothing even close to that, that would average about one per every 6 million people.  When Mrs. White said " where there is one there ought to be a hundred" there were maybe 500 LEs in the US alone. (just a wild guess) If another wild guess is accurate that there were 200 million people in the US at that time that  time that would make one LE for every 4,000 people.

The point is that many in leadership are still speaking as though we have too many of which we have essentially none. What's wrong with that picture ?

I think the real reason for comments like that is that leadership knows what they have neglected and what they should be doing to bring back this work. They know that they are neglecting and therefore rejecting Inspired counsel and therefore they argue with Inspiration as though to follow it would be extreme.

The Dakota Conference, for instance, has more money than they know what to do with with farmers and livestock owners prospering and with the oil boon. Yet the vision is not there to bring back the canvassing work. Not every conference is that well off but every conference could emphasize the work and implement programs to get our adult members knocking on doors like an army with banners. While the brief summer program with students and magabooks is a good thing it is only a token emphasis on what God is calling the church to do.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 28, 2014, 09:41:44 AM
 The new pastor's idea of getting the laity out ministering is to determine their "spiritual gifts" through classroom surveys. How many times have we seen that done, to no effect ? Work sheets are  handed out with questions to answer. After the sheets are filled out and discussed they are often wadded up and thrown away and the people go home and do the same ole same ole. It is though the mere "determining of gifts" is in itself the ministry. Often the sheets are filled out according to what the person "likes" to do. John likes to order God Father's pizza and invite friends over to watch the Super bowl or the Olympics. So on his sheet he marks down the gift of hospitality. Mary likes to play the piano so she marks down the gift of "music." Ability to play the piano is certainly a gift but its scope of ministry is very limited. How many have been won to the Three Angel's Messages because of music ? Perhaps some, but for most people that gift has a narrow window of influence as a ministry. I am not down on  music as a ministry and as a gift ( both my children take piano and violin lessons)  but probably most piano players have a lot more gifts than that one.
 
     I am convicted that we will learn scant little about our giftedness and our being equipped through work sheets. I wonder how many gifted tennis players learned they were gifted through a work sheet with a check list ? No, they learned about their talent with a tennis racket in their hand swinging at balls. How many professional bowlers learned they were good at bowling by filling out a score card for another bowler ?

   I would suggest that we can know very little about our gifts other than by engaging in the ministry and activity itself.  The Jordan did not part until the Israelites got their feet wet. We might be pleasantly surprised and even shocked at how God may equip us if we simply put the baton in our hand and move. Many supposed they could not preach ? Today they are professional evangelists. How many gifted singers thought they could not sing well until they actually started singing and taking a few lessons.

Work sheets tend to be a limp stab at learning that suffices for actually doing something when it is doing almost nothing. I would not be so down on these work sheets if I ever really saw any tangible follow up afterward.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Raven on September 28, 2014, 05:07:08 PM
The new pastor's idea of getting the laity out ministering is to determine their "spiritual gifts" through classroom surveys. How many times have we seen that done, to no effect ? Work sheets are  handed out with questions to answer. After the sheets are filled out and discussed they are often wadded up and thrown away and the people go home and do the same ole same ole. It is though the mere "determining of gifts" is in itself the ministry. Often the sheets are filled out according to what the person "likes" to do. J
 
     I am convicted that we will learn scant little about our giftedness and our being equipped through work sheets. I wonder how many gifted tennis players learned they were gifted through a work sheet with a check list ? No, they learned about their talent with a tennis racket in their hand swinging at balls.

   I would suggest that we can know very little about our gifts other than by engaging in the ministry and activity itself.  The Jordan did not part until the Israelites got their feet wet. We might be pleasantly surprised and even shocked at how God may equip us if we simply put the baton in our hand and move.

You hit the nail on the head with that statement in bold.

I'm surprised that they're still doing those surveys.  I don't think I've never filled one out.  I just don't participate in the exercise.  They are nothing more than glorified aptitude tests with a religious twist. 

If we follow the wise man's counsel, we'll soon know where our talents lie.  Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.  Eccl. 9:10  If we just get busy and do the work at hand, the Lord will soon show us what our gifts are. 

There seems to be some confusion at times as to the difference between talents and spiritual gifts.  Pagans can have talents, but not spiritual gifts.  Believers can develop their talents and the Lord blesses them in their efforts to serve Him.  I don't buy into the notion that everyone has a spiritual gift.  This is Laodicea; the wheat and the tares grow together.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Lord gives special endowments to those who are unconsecrated, have not surrendered to Him, and are church members in name only.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 28, 2014, 05:19:15 PM

 Perhaps the Lord will give us whatever gift we need to meet the occasion. While one may not be a gifted preacher that may change with someone dying in their arms after an earthquake. In other words, as you say, if we are consecrated, the Lord may gift us according to His good pleasure and the need at hand.  Near as I can tell, the gift of tongues was not given to those who had a special aptitude in speaking other languages. I think talent and aptitude are over rated and desire and willingness under rated.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 29, 2014, 02:04:49 PM

 Perhaps the Lord will give us whatever gift we need to meet the occasion. While one may not be a gifted preacher that may change with someone dying in their arms after an earthquake. In other words, as you say, if we are consecrated, the Lord may gift us according to His good pleasure and the need at hand.  Near as I can tell, the gift of tongues was not given to those who had a special aptitude in speaking other languages. I think talent and aptitude are over rated and desire and willingness under rated.

I agree...He will give us the Gift that we don't have now so that all will KNOW it was from Him???
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 29, 2014, 02:12:36 PM
back in the early 90s the whole congregation was given this kind of survey...  back then I knew nothing and was just beginning to come to church... i watched those that I respected in the church and saw them pitch the survey in the garbage on their way out... so I did the same. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 03, 2014, 02:39:17 PM

It's getting increasingly easy to talk to people about last day events. Ebola bacteria enters the US and two people are beheaded in the US during the same week. Things are coming close to home. Then add the flu, Alzhiemers rising to the 6th leading cause of death, cancer, heart and autoimmune diseases, shootings in schools or businesses weekly, and an economy that is hanging by a thread. If all that is not enough, forced health care  and all it takes is for a US citizen to be labelled a terrorist and all their rights are gone.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 05, 2014, 09:17:03 PM

No Haste and No Delay !


   The sixth month old drawing card from the Sport's Show showed that the participant's name was "Lorrie." I punched the address in my GPS as I had been doing all day and found the home at about 6:00 P.M.  I headed for the door but was met by Don as he came out to meet me. My first thought was wondering if he was going to nip the visit in the bud. He said," I saw you  coming." However, when I explained why I was there he invited me in so  I trotted back to my vehicle to get my case  and prospectus. I have found I can move alot faster by not bringing my case to every door when I have a card. Upon my entering, Don apologized for the messy house. As always, I replied with a grin, "hey, I'm not a house inspector."

  We sat at the table as he said that "things are kind of in disarray." His wife is 8 months pregnant and was lying in bed resting. It sounded like it was a precarious pregnancy and the couple are in their 50's.
During the canvass it was difficult to read just where Don's thoughts were regarding  the canvass so I just continued. His 6 year old boy was in and out of the room and his 23 year old daughter sat at the kitchen  table with us and listened. Toward the close she asked a few questions. We talked about  heaven as I read a verse from Bible readings about the wolf and the lamb feeding together and the lion eating straw like the bullock.  She asked if people in heaven could watch what is going on here on earth. I did not go into  the state of the dead. I sometimes do but was impressed not to get into that but rather leave literature about it. When I explained that it would be painful for people in heaven to watch their loved ones suffer here and not be able to so much as  say a word to them or hug them. I said that it would even be painful for them so watch their loved ones experience joy and not be able to be part of  it. They would be left out of the party, so to speak. That resonated with the daughter. We discussed  heaven at length.

    Then the daughter said, " I have been an atheist for various reasons but I have been thinking about this for a long time and I want to give Christianity a try. I need it. Do you have anything here that can help me understand the Bible?"

Wow, music, to a colporteur' ears. I replied, "certainly, there are many things I can offer. For starters, the Bible stories would be good for every member of the family including yourself. Then I read a few excerpts from the Desire of Ages. She liked it of course. Father, I could tell was most happy and had likely been praying for this for some time. I could tell that he was jubilant inside but he restrained his joy so as not to overdue it. What she said was what he had been waiting for. I asked if Don would like to be the proud owner of the Bible Stories? He said, "YES sir, I would ! and looking over at his daughter he said "we will read that book  (the DA) together and discuss it."

Don likes to study his Bible and I wanted to get information to him on prophecy so I left him several free publications, one on health, one on the Sabbath, state of the dead, and the MOB. Some will not leave pointed material in the home and at times I abstain to some degree but was impressed to leave it.

I asked if I could offer prayer and was there something they would like me to pray for. The daughter replied, " Yes, my grandfather has bone marrow cancer." I offered  prayer thanking the Lord for father's decision to purchase the books, for daughter's decision and asked that the Lord's will be done in the life of the grandfather and that he use that crisis to draw grandfather and others closer to Himself.

The father ended with saying, " The timing of your coming here tonight is AMAZING !
I replied that "I pray every day that I will be led to the homes of those who are in most need and who will be most receptive."

The drawing card was 6  months old but the Lord's timing was right on. Mother bedridden with a pregnancy; grandfather with cancer, and daughter thinking about becoming a Christian. The Lord knows no haste and no delay. It is wonderful to know  that what appears like our doing is all guided from above.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 05, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
 
I'll Buy That  Book !

Lisa is a nice young mother perhaps 35 years old. She wore a long modest dress and I complimented her for dressing like a lady. She said she always dresses  that way. During the canvass her boys were a bit disruptive. She is not really into her Bible but said her father is. He is a devout Lutheran, her mother a devout Catholic. We talked some about Lisa being a former Catholic like myself. Sounds like her parents are always sparring. Mother touts the Catholic church and father shows her where she is wrong from the Bible. 

  I could not interest Lisa in the Bible stories even though she seemed to enjoy talking about spiritual  things. When I showed her the Bible Story magabooks and the Bible Readings magabook she was not interested however  when I put them back in my case and pulled out the Great Controversy magabook  and said that it is about church history and Luther as well as prophecy she said, " I'll take that one !" She almost took it right out of my hand. She said that her father is hard to buy for and that would be a great gift for him. She said that he will really like it. I know the Holy Spirit prompted her to buy that book !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 06, 2014, 05:11:07 PM
very interesting... I guess you just keep up with the options...and keep the silent prayers going...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 09, 2014, 03:37:54 PM

Update on story/post #282 "Partnering with the Police."


 You may recall that the young officer purchased 4 magabooks and donated another $50 so I could give someone who had not funds some free magabooks. He wrote out a check for $100. I discovered a couple of days  ago that the check bounced and the banked charged me $12 for processing. Great! and I would never have guessed from a police officer. I was a little miffed of course but constrained myself to be patient and think the best.
    I called the officer and left a message on his answering machine. I finished with, "the donation you gave allowed me to leave free magabooks in two homes. One was with a single mother. The gift nearly brought her to tears. Both mothers asked me to thank you."

     He texted me back later in the day and said, "that does not surprise me. My roofing contractor had his check come back too. We had some old checks from an account that was closed and I grabbed the wrong checkbook. Sorry for the inconvenience. Will get a check in the mail tomorrow. I'm glad I could help with the books"

   Today I received a check for $112.00 with a letter and a $20 gift card for BP. The letter reads as follows:       " Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you for the work you do in service to the Lord.
Please accept this gift card to help pay for your fuel expenses as you travel for your work.

Brian _______
 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 09, 2014, 07:29:36 PM
now we know the rest of the story  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 10, 2014, 07:10:38 AM
now we know the rest of the story  :-D

What touches my heart about this is not the money although that is nice and much needed. It is the spirit of wanting to partner with me in the work and the appreciation for the work even though he has but only a faint understanding of the comprehensiveness  of the message we carry. It is something  I see relatively little of in our church and to see it on the outside is heart warming.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 10, 2014, 06:41:21 PM

Showers of Blessings


   The lead card  was obviously  that of a Mennonite or Amish as  the first name was "Menno."  Since the address was not on the plat book and since I had no GPS I went to the post office to use their plat book. The name however was not in  the plat book and the post master was not willing to help. That was unusual.
 
   I headed out in the country and asked around. After some time I finally found someone who could point me the right direction. If I could just find 10th St. I could run up and down the road until I found the right place. Ahhh, found it. There were three fire numbers at the end of the road. Well, this was not an easy find but at least it was finally narrowed down to three. I turned in and followed the long winding lane until I reached two rickety old trailer houses. Judging from the looks of them they were  inhabited but the occupants were two steps ahead of starvation. Two young boys with hay forks appeared and said that Menno lived up on the hill to the west. As I approached the house I observed that it was not fancy but still a mansion compared to the trailer houses down below. I parked part way up on the hill and with case and prospectus in hand proceeded to hoof it the rest of the way. It began to rain as I walked and "Mary" met me out front. She confirmed that she had mailed in the card and said that they have a few of the Bible Story books but not all of them and they were well worn. She said that her husband works for a farmer and usually does not get home until about 10:00 P.M.. I thought, "how will I ever be able to canvass them ? Mary said that her husband is usually home on Saturday. I replied that that would not work. Sunday does not work for them so what to do?

   I asked about my going to where her husband worked to talk to him there  about getting together some time. The problem was the farmer has three places. Finally Mary said , I'll go call and see if I can reach him." I did not realize they had a phone. Mary walked down to the shed and used the phone on the pole. I waited by the house and talked with her young son who was filling buckets with water from the hydrant. From his reaction I do not think he knew a word of English.  Mother returned  as it began to rain harder, and with a puzzled look on her face said, " my husband will be  right home."

     It was not long and down the road I could see him approaching. I sensed that something good was in the works. I recalled how hard it had been to find the home and then what seemed like an impossibility in terms of getting together with all  the family. And now it even puzzled Mary that her husband was coming home.
  She invited me inside and we sat at the table and talked about the books and about their boys and their home and other points of interest. Then she asked, "would it be alright if I invite another family over to see the books?" "Sure," I replied.

Mother headed down to the trailers and arrived back about the time that father entered the house. Soon another family entered as well and we all looked at the books with lamp burning and fireplace crackling.

   I showed four sets of books as the parents and children watched attentively. That is the neat think about homes like this. YOU are the TV and you get everyone's full attention. However, the wife of the visiting family appeared  tense. After a time she loosened up and all were moved by the Spirit of God.

 When I asked if they would use the books if they had them they all nodded in the affirmative  and with animation. They pooled their money and purchased all four sets of books, the My Bible Friends, Bedtime Stories, Bible Stories, and Bible Reference Library.  I offered prayer  and a couple free  publications and was off to find another blessing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on October 10, 2014, 07:08:18 PM
So guess maybe they will share the books between them.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 11, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
a throwback in time probably felt like the 1800s  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 11, 2014, 05:54:52 PM
Yes on both counts. When it comes to canvassing I'll take the 1800s any day. No TV, no telephone, no Schwans man interruptions and no distractions. No cars so people were home more.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 13, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
few of us know what to do when all the electric goes out during a storm and sometimes now for weeks... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 14, 2014, 07:10:07 AM
The first problem in most instances is ....NO WATER !  The first most needed item for life, after oxygen.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 14, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
The first problem in most instances is ....NO WATER !  The first most needed item for life, after oxygen.

right
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 21, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Say That Again ?

It is interesting how things seem to come in pairs in the LE work. I cannot tell you how many times I have placed the same sets in homes back to back.

The other evening books were sold in two homes back to back where in each home the mother was working, the father was canvassed and both  fathers purchased the Bible Stories with a SOP book. It does happen but is not common for the father to make a sizeable purchase on spiritual material without the wife being there. In both homes there was a little girl present. In both homes  the fathers are not readers and in the first the father is dyslectic. Neither family attends church. In each home either the father or mother are former Catholic. In both homes the fathers are very soft hearted. In the second home the very big man with tattoos everywhere said, " I'm a big softy."  Both fathers gave cash for  down payment and it was exactly the same amount. What does it mean ? I have no idea but it is interesting none the less.

I think I'll go post this on another forum. :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 21, 2014, 09:10:21 PM
weird for sure
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 24, 2014, 01:05:36 PM

  If it works out I will be working a little different venue in January. It is a  Farm Show. Unlike other trade shows it is held during the middle of the week. It will draw approximately 20,000 people the majority being farmers and  those who raise livestock.

Many farmers in the Midwest made gargantuan profits last year, $600.00 and more per acre was common. That means $60,000 from only 100 acres and over half a million for 1000 acres. The average grain farmer ( corn and soybeans) probably farms 1500 acres. Due to an abundant crop last year and this year the price of grain is such that many farmers will make very little income and some may only break even. Low grain prices is good for those who raise livestock and for those who purchase gasohol but not for grain farmers. Anyway, I'm looking forward to working the show and follow up in the country.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 26, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
hope all goes well... praying for all the seeds that have been sown all over the world through all time periods... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 29, 2014, 06:59:02 AM
 Randy Ready


The interest was a 4 hour drive (one way) from home. My wife was called by her agency to work in the capital city for 30 days and since they put us up at the Marriott with a kitchen the children and I came along with a van load of clothes, pots and pans, appliances, and food. We are staying down town 10 blocks from the capital building. I called the Press 3 days before we left and asked them to send me any leads in the area. They sent me two leads. I was hoping for more with the city of 1.5 million people.

Last night I ran one of the Bible Story cards, dated 6 months previous. It was only 3.5 miles from where we were staying. The card took me to a complex of several security apartment buildings. I rang the buzzer but received no reply. For some reason I was impressed not to settle for that and as I stood by the door two little Hispanic boys perhaps 5 years old exited through the door. I held the door and entered as one little boy said to the other, " you let him in." Up one floor and down the hall and I knocked on the door of #204.

   Sure enough someone was coming to the door ! The man opened the door a bit and I explained my visit. He put the dog away and invited me inside but made no question as to how I got in the building. The 55 year old man reminded me of Willy Nelson with his long gray pony tail. He was wearing a  chain around his neck with a cross dangling. Randy said, I was wondering if anyone would ever come. I grew up with the Bible Stories." I had to explain that I live 4 hours away and there has not been a representative in the city for years.  It was evident that he had a fondness toward the books.

As we proceeded through the canvass it was clear that  this 55 year old father with his little one year old girl (continually in my case) was far more knowledgeable about the Bible than most everyone I meet. He talked about God's providential leading in his life and included in that the visit we were having. We were clicking as we talked together. While he and the child's mother are pinched financially and felt they could not purchase the Bible story set he did purchased several  magabooks not the least being the Great Controversy with the American flag on the cover and the subheading " The Global War on Freedom." I was encouraged as he really likes to read and enjoys history. He wrote out a check and asked me to hold it for a week. I left him some free literature and offered prayer. Randy made a comment about God being in my stopping this evening while giving me a hardy handshake and saying, " I appreciate it. Have a good evening !"
     
  It may be that the entire reason my wife was called to work in this city for a month was for God to reach Randy and his family with this literature.


Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 02, 2014, 09:27:46 AM

LE Program
interview is scheduled on 3abn TV next Friday 11/7. at 8am, 3pm & 8pm.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on November 02, 2014, 11:58:48 AM

LE Program
interview is scheduled on 3abn TV next Friday 11/7. at 8am, 3pm & 8pm.

It's not showing on their schedule right now, but maybe they'll change it.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 02, 2014, 12:38:43 PM

Hmmm. I was sent the info by a pastor/cp but have not checked it out. Will see.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 10, 2014, 07:36:56 AM
   I have been staying 3 1/2 hours from home and working some in the area. I discovered a settlement of Amish about 50 miles away from here. I will be working the area door to door for the next 1-4 days, (starting later today) depending on the size of the settlement. For those who have a burden for this work I ask for your prayers for success. Most Amish settlements are a very productive place to work. They are either very warm or very cold to outsiders with our books but typically they are receptive.  Thanks !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 10, 2014, 08:32:49 PM

 It is a small community and I will finish up there tomorrow evening.  Things are tight for people in the settlement but three families purchased the Bible Story set with the Great Controversy. Thanks for prayers!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 11, 2014, 07:20:33 PM

Bummer. I found today that one of the men in the settlement died. When this happens all the Amish men for miles around go to the home to help out for 2-3 days preparing for the funeral. They do their own funerals and 
they are a big deal. Everything goes on hold until the funeral and Amish often travel many miles to attend the ceremony. I providentially caught one of the men who had returned home and was preparing to leave again. He gave me 15 minutes to show his family the books before he left to help out again. He purchased 3 magabooks one being the Great Controversy. Families are very strapped financially in the settlement and he even had to make two payments on a $40 purchase. The people in the two settlements there however are most kind and honest and are willing to invest what they have on our books.

   There was no reason to stay in the settlement with all the men gone and preoccupied. I'm not sure what all they do preparatory to the funeral but suppose that with family coming even from other states there is wood to  chop and haul and sleeping arrangements to be made. I did not ask but got the impression that there may be some peculiar ceremonies that the men do leading up to the funeral. It seems a bit odd that the women and children all stay home until the funeral while the men spend most of the day there for 2-3 days before the funeral.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 12, 2014, 11:30:03 AM
Recently NAD president Dan Jackson said the following during a panel discussion;

"As time was winding down, Houghton stated that there is a lot of interest in publishing, and asked how publishing fits into the church’s mission plans.

Jackson noted that Ellen G. White said that the publishing work would go on to the end. “Not the printing work,” he noted, “the publishing work.”

http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2014/08/08/ted-wilson-and-dan-jacksons-2014-asi-town-hall-meeting


Does anyone see any problem with that private interpretation ?

Granted, publishing in its broadest sense includes voice, tv and computer. However, why does the president ignore and exclude the context of the SOP quotes to imply that the printing of our books will fail ?  Is that an objective ? Is that wishful thinking ? Or,,, is it simply  the following of the current pattern of arrogance where one thinks they have been given private, personal revelation by God that contradicts His Inspired message ?

This man is so out of touch it is scary. What part of literature, books, printing houses and periodicals does he not understand ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 12, 2014, 11:52:22 AM
                             
                            Chap. 25 - Literature in the Closing Work

     The End of All Things at Hand.--The great and wonderful work of the last gospel message is to be carried on now as it has never been before. The world is to receive the light of truth through an evangelizing ministry of the Word in our books and periodicals. Our publications are to show that the end of all things is at hand. I am bidden to say to our publishing houses: "Lift up the standard; lift it up higher. Proclaim the third angel's message, that it may be heard by all the world. Let it be seen that 'here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.' Revelation 14:12. Let our literature give the message as a witness to all the world."  {CW 177.1} 
     Our workers should now be encouraged to give their first attention to books that deal with the evidences of our faith,--books that teach the doctrines of the Bible, and that will prepare a people to stand in the trying times before us.--Testimonies, Vol. 9, p. 61. (1909.)  {CW 177.2} 
     Enlightening the Earth.--In a large degree through our publishing houses is to be accomplished the work of that other angel who comes down from heaven with great power, and who lightens the earth with his glory.--Testimonies, Vol. 7, p. 140. (1902.)  {CW 177.3} 
     Specific Objectives of Our Literature.--Our publishing work was established by the direction of God and under His special supervision. It was designed to accomplish a specific purpose. Seventh-day Adventists have been chosen by God as a peculiar people, separate from the world. By the great cleaver of truth He has cut them out from the quarry of the world, and brought them into connection with Himself. He has made them His representatives, and has called them to be ambassadors for Him in the last work of salvation. The greatest wealth of truth ever entrusted to mortals, the most solemn and fearful warnings ever sent by God to man, have been committed to them to be given to the world; and in the accomplishment of this work our publishing houses are among the most effective agencies. . . .  {CW 178.1} 
     Startling Messages.--The publications sent forth from our printing houses are to prepare a people to meet God. Throughout the world they are to do the same work that was done by John the Baptist for the Jewish nation. By startling messages of warning, God's prophet awakened men from worldly dreaming. Through him God called backsliding Israel to repentance. By his presentation of truth he exposed popular delusions. In contrast with the false theories of his time, truth in his teaching stood forth as an eternal certainty. "Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand," was John's message. This same message, through the publications from our printing houses, is to be given to the world today.
                                                                         
The prophecy that John's mission fulfilled outlines our work,--"Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight." Matthew 3:2, 3. As John prepared the way for the first, so we are to prepare the way for the second, advent of the Saviour. " {CW 178.2} 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 12, 2014, 12:32:25 PM

Our Work

We are fast approaching the end. The printing and circulation of the books and papers that contain the truth for this time are to be our work.—Testimonies, Vol. 8, page 89. {CEv 97.2}
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 13, 2014, 01:19:10 PM

Our Work

We are fast approaching the end. The printing and circulation of the books and papers that contain the truth for this time are to be our work.—Testimonies, Vol. 8, page 89. {CEv 97.2}

doing the best we can....  but at the end of the day always feel like maybe there was something more that could be done...  does anyone else feel this way?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 13, 2014, 06:37:20 PM

Our Work

We are fast approaching the end. The printing and circulation of the books and papers that contain the truth for this time are to be our work.—Testimonies, Vol. 8, page 89. {CEv 97.2}

doing the best we can....  but at the end of the day always feel like maybe there was something more that could be done...  does anyone else feel this way?

All the time, especially when I forget to have  literature with me when stopping at a gas station or at other such times. I see very few SDAs  that leave literature around. I guess they think it is hopeless ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on November 13, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
Or they themselves have lost the missionary spirit within.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 15, 2014, 06:48:58 AM
Or they themselves have lost the missionary spirit within.

We are either intentionally engaged in the work of saving souls or else we are losing our own soul.

Idlers are idolaters. I know those are strong words but are they not true ? We are either serving the Master or else we are serving self.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 15, 2014, 06:21:49 PM
quite a few that I know are doing what they can... placing literature where ever they can and speaking to those whom God has put in their path...  but it seems that we are not seeing the fruit of our labors... I guess we have to wait and be patient for that!   :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 16, 2014, 08:17:05 AM
God brings in few because there are few that could at this time endure what is happening in the church. This is especially true in developed countries like the US. Only those few with enough grit and close enough connection with God to survive are brought in; those who can endure and work in spite of all the church battles.There are people everywhere just waiting to be called in. Probably you have read  the quotes where we are told that the majority will not come in until the final moments as  they see the very things taking place that they  read about.
When crisis in the world is bad enough and the Holy Spirit comes in and more than matches the crisis the timidity and caution previously entertained will be cast  into the wind and people will take a stand no matter what.

 " The message will be carried not so much by argument as by the deep conviction of the Spirit of God. The arguments have been presented. The seed has been sown, and now it will spring up and bear fruit. The publications distributed by missionary workers have exerted their influence, yet many whose minds were impressed have been prevented from fully comprehending the truth or from yielding obedience. Now the rays of light penetrate everywhere, the truth is seen in its clearness. . . . A large number take their stand upon the Lord's side.--The Great Controversy, p. 612. (1888)  {CM 152.1}

"The Greatest Results Future.--The results of the circulation of this book [The Great Controversy] are not to be judged by what now appears. By reading it, some souls will be aroused, and will have courage to unite themselves at once with those who keep the commandments of God. But a much larger number who read it will not take their position until they see the very events taking place that are foretold in it. The fulfillment of  some of the predictions will inspire faith that others also will come to pass, and when the earth is lightened with the glory of the Lord, in the closing work, many souls will take their position on the commandments of God as the result of this agency.--Manuscript 31, 1890.  {CM 128.4} 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 16, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
    The subject of health reform has been presented in the churches; but the light has not been heartily received. The selfish, health-destroying indulgences of men and women have counteracted the influence of the message that is to prepare a people for the great day of God. If the churches expect strength, they must live the truth
which God has given them. If the members of our churches disregard the light on this subject, they will reap the sure result in both spiritual and physical degeneracy. And the influence of these older church members will leaven those newly come to the faith. The Lord does not now work to bring many souls into the truth, because of the church members who have never been converted and those who were once converted but who have backslidden. What influence would these unconsecrated members have on new converts? Would they not make of no effect the God-given message which His people are to bear?  {6T 370.3}

Notice the specific context of the quote.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 16, 2014, 07:05:58 PM
it is a shame that so few are interested... for my own records, I find that only 1 in 9 are ever interested in changing the way they eat....  I guess the dinner plate is holy. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on November 16, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
When the belly is god, eating to satisfy only appetite, is pagan worship.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 18, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
When the belly is god, eating to satisfy only appetite, is pagan worship.

will we forsake all for a bowl of lentil soup?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 18, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
Children and I canvassed 3 more Amish  families tonight. We were able to place a set of Bible Stories and 3 Great Controversies and a Natural Remedies. In the last home, the minister's home, we had almost a two hour Bible Study on prophecy ending with the purchase of a GC illustrated. A couple  of other contacts were made in the settlement where literature was left. In another home a lady in her sixties purchased a GC illustrated for her husband for his birthday. That was very  unusual as he was not there to approve the purchase. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: GraceVessel on November 19, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
    The subject of health reform has been presented in the churches; but the light has not been heartily received. The selfish, health-destroying indulgences of men and women have counteracted the influence of the message that is to prepare a people for the great day of God. If the churches expect strength, they must live the truth
which God has given them. If the members of our churches disregard the light on this subject, they will reap the sure result in both spiritual and physical degeneracy. And the influence of these older church members will leaven those newly come to the faith. The Lord does not now work to bring many souls into the truth, because of the church members who have never been converted and those who were once converted but who have backslidden. What influence would these unconsecrated members have on new converts? Would they not make of no effect the God-given message which His people are to bear?  {6T 370.3}

Notice the specific context of the quote.

Although, I agree with the quote... what is the time context of this. If its late 1800's say (1995)... it's still 100+ years removed.

Or would this only apply if there was no Nineveh component involved?

Also is health reform (in context) the only thing that is being referenced to in this quote? It pertains to the entire backslidden state of the church. (which of course would include health reform).

What does "sharing the gospel" mean in relation to this quote?

with kind regards,

Gracevessel
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 19, 2014, 03:07:29 PM
GV;

The quote  is very  clear and though it is more than 19 years old it is not 900  years old and if it was, how old is the Bible ? Is it obsolete too ? 


The context of  the quote leaves no room for guess work. It is " Health Reform". Something that is sadly neglected in the church today.


We nullify the gospel message when we do not live out health reform. And when we do not live health reform it affects our mental and spiritual awareness which affects everything else, including our view of health reform. The problem is circular. I believe God applies a certain measure of protective grace for those who are seeking Him but in  ignorance of the health message. However, for those that keep bucking the light He may let us reap what we have been sowing.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: GraceVessel on November 19, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
Priceless response.

I don't agree with your understanding of the quote so I must be "setting aside" counsel.

Quite the opposite, I am looking to contextualize the statement within today's culture.  But if you wanna stay in the narrow banding and sit in a box... go ahead.  I actually agree with the statement AND the quotation.

If... "if" you read the bolded part.. is says...because of the church members who have never been converted and those who were once converted but who have backslidden, part of that "lack of being converted" is health reform. (NOTE: Health reform is not "all the gospel".. but it's definitely part of being a whole Christian (but that's my view).

Of course you can "assume" that my response is contrary to yours.  That tends to be your assumption.  Why not just declare things to be the way "you want" them to be interpreted.  Why discuss context at all?

According to you we don't need it right?   Since your interpretation is correct.  Why allow others to discuss, examine and understand the broader context.

I guess there isn't one... (boggles the mind).

According to your recent post in another thread.., you infer that God wants people to reap what they have sown... diet wise and given some of the above quotes... only those that are "health reformed" should be Adventists.  You don't come right out and say it ... but you infer it.  They method you use in multiple instances with "Silent Messengers" seem to be biblical and solid and have grace in them.

I just don't understand and it's ok if you wanna "discard non-sda's with the trash"... since WE (whomever we are)... you know the other "people" that don't agree with you... and yet other methods apply to those whom are not yet converted to your way of "thinking".

If you want to assume that I am "of the devil" because I don't agree with you.. you will never "compel" me to worship God.  That is my free choice.

If you wanna "bait and switch" this post.. I understand that also.  I may be wrong... but I am honest about what I say and think.

I think you witness in a very positive way to a lot of people (as evidenced by your testimony in the Silent Messengers thread).

I am searching for truth.  You wanna have a discussion... that's cool.  If not.  I get it.

I respect a lot of what you post and say... but I don't agree with all of it.  My goal is to have honest discussion and learn on this board.   

My question to you is... in what way could that quote be "positioned" to get a more cultured response.  Not the content .. but how it is presented?

Or is that question sacrilege also?

with kind regards,

Gracevessel
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 19, 2014, 04:03:45 PM

 Since the main theme of context is being questioned here is the next paragraph.

 Let all examine their own practices to see if they are not indulging in that which is a positive injury to them. Let them dispense with every unhealthful gratification in eating and drinking. Some go to distant countries to seek a better climate; but wherever they may be, the stomach creates for them a malarious atmosphere. They bring upon themselves suffering that no one can alleviate. Let them bring their daily practice into harmony with nature's laws; and by doing as well as believing, an atmosphere may be created about both soul and body that will be a savor of life unto life.  {6T 371.1} 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 19, 2014, 04:23:24 PM
    The subject of health reform has been presented in the churches; but the light has not been heartily received. The selfish, health-destroying indulgences of men and women have counteracted the influence of the message that is to prepare a people for the great day of God. If the churches expect strength, they must live the truth
which God has given them. If the members of our churches disregard the light on this subject, they will reap the sure result in both spiritual and physical degeneracy. And the influence of these older church members will leaven those newly come to the faith. The Lord does not now work to bring many souls into the truth, because of the church members who have never been converted and those who were once converted but who have backslidden. What influence would these unconsecrated members have on new converts? Would they not make of no effect the God-given message which His people are to bear?  {6T 370.3}

Notice the specific context of the quote.

Although, I agree with the quote... what is the time context of this. If its late 1800's say (1995)... it's still 100+ years removed.

Or would this only apply if there was no Nineveh component involved?

Also is health reform (in context) the only thing that is being referenced to in this quote? It pertains to the entire backslidden state of the church. (which of course would include health reform).

What does "sharing the gospel" mean in relation to this quote?

with kind regards,

Gracevessel

I gave answer to your last question but you once again took it personally and then with sarcasm and railing beginning with  "priceless."

You said the quote is 100+ years removed. Ok, I make no assumptions. What is your point regarding that if it is not that the quote does not apply today ? If that is not the implication what is it ? Why did you say that ? What's the point ?

I have no idea what you mean by the statement regarding Nineveh. Please explain.

No , health reform is not the only thing that is being presented in the quote. However, it is the main thing presented. Is that a problem ?

Why when we disagree do you wind off with things like " if you want to think I  am the devil?"
Yes, I like to have discussions but when temper tantrums arise it does not produce a very uplifting conversation.

Frankly, however, I do get weary  of people constantly playing the same cards regarding the SOP and then tearing into people when they call them on it.

When I begin thinking you are the devil, you will not have to guess; you will be the first to know. Until then why not drop that poor me idea ? 

In both your quotes you have dealt  with everything but the content of the quote.

If you wish to have productive dialog stop taking everything personally and lets deal with the content of the SOP quote in a way that has meaning for today.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on November 19, 2014, 10:57:47 PM
More recent manifestations of an old battle.   Lucifer sets his mind against the Godhead and covets power not his by right. 

Isaiah 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

   
Genesis 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eve sets her will to choose power not hers by right and decides and acts to disobey.  She ceases to be the same toward God ever after.   She helps Satan seduce Adam.  Adam copies Eve,  knowing human destiny if loyal, he throws it and us, all away to keep Eve.

Genesis 3:6  And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The first human man & woman became a different kind of human species, a satanic copy of their former selves, they spiritually changed, and physically ingested eventual death in the process.

Genesis 3:12  And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:13  And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

The Second Adam having taken the flesh of defiant Adam & Eve, conquered such corrupted humanity within Himself and submitted to loyalty till it came time to ingest the cup sinful humanity had created and filled and the Godhead's vengeance upon sin. Adam & Eve used eating to defy God, Jesus used drinking to obey God.
 
Matthew 26:39  And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:42  He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
44  And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

Mark 14:36  And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Luke 22:42  Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Matthew 6:10  Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


Luke 11:2  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.


Revelation 5:13  And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

The kingdom of Heaven is intelligent love, loyalty, blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, the kingdom of hell is intelligent defiance, disloyalty, bowing to desire instead of faith in what God has said, choosing and acting to choose my will and do my will irregardless of what God has said.

The influences of those two kingdoms strive inside us all, which ever army we feed, wins. The silent messengers from Satan feed his influence, the silent messengers from God feed His influence, till the person or the group commits them self to one or another irrevocably at last.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on November 21, 2014, 02:07:41 PM
quoting GV,

Hi GV,

Quote
Although, I agree with the quote... what is the time context of this. If its late 1800's say (1995)... it's still 100+ years removed.

Or would this only apply if there was no Nineveh component involved?

Also is health reform (in context) the only thing that is being referenced to in this quote? It pertains to the entire backslidden state of the church. (which of course would include health reform).

What does "sharing the gospel" mean in relation to this quote?

with kind regards,

Gracevessel

6T - Testimonies for the Church Volume Six (1901) publication date 1901, in the first section - called "The times of volume six" it looks like this compilation of testimonies probably started in  1891 - going forward till  1899-ish, published in 1901.  < my dad was 17 then - just a side note   :-D  >

quoting from a portion of "the times of volume six "

Quote
THIS VOLUME PRESENTS TESTIMONIES PENNED BY ELLEN G. WHITE DURING HER SOJOURN IN AUSTRALIA. EXCEPT FOR AN OCCASIONAL REFERENCE TO THE LOCAL FIELD, THE READER WOULD NOT DETECT THAT THE WRITER WAS IN ANOTHER CONTINENT, FOR THE INSTRUCTION IS WORLD WIDE IN ITS SCOPE. IT IS A FACT, NEVERTHELESS, THAT THE REVELATIONS GIVEN TO MRS. WHITE HAD A DIRECT BEARING ON CURRENT ISSUES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WORK AT THE TIME OF WRITING. IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE, THEREFORE, THAT THERE ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS VOLUME TOPICS WHICH WERE RELATED TO THE LINES OF WORK BEING DEVELOPED IN THE AUSTRALASIAN FIELD DURING THIS PERIOD. PUBLICATION OF THE BOOK TOOK PLACE LATE IN THE YEAR 1900, SHORTLY AFTER MRS. WHITE HAD RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.

In my opinion :

Part of sharing the gospel is what we live.   

Part of sharing the gospel is what we say. 

Part of sharing the gospel is what we do.   

Part of sharing the gospel is the influence of the spirits in us and through us, ie: spirit beings of either stripe that we unite with at any given moment of the day. 

( the last part is the toughest part or the easiest part depending who a person habitually joins up with. )

The books ( ie silent messengers ) are not limited by the human's behaviour and influence since Jesus said  " the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. "   So Scripture & SOP carry Jesus's own influence long after the human giver is out of the picture.

That's why the guy giving me Bible studies could not bring me to a decision.  ( I found out why when I read his diary later),  but reading Desire of ages 6-7 times back to back, even though at the same time I was listening to my 8 track with "Jesus Christ Superstar"; did bring me to a decision.   BTW that 8 track tape got trashed by me before I made my decision.  :-D

The guy who brought me in, took all 60 of the new people he brought in to the local SDA Church in 1969-70 ?, and started his own denomination, I refused to go with him, I said  Revelation ch 10 + The Great Controversy told why - I verbally refused and rebuked him and stated why I was staying SDA in front of the whole church.  :cry:

He said there was too much sin in the Church & it's leadership,    :x     but the truth was he was too in love with his own sins and self important pride.     :evil:

If he had stayed loyal to God & SOP such an apostasy would not have happened.  I was brand new, but Jesus & SOP were already my champions.

Thank You Father God for Jesus and His SOP.  :-D    :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 22, 2014, 08:58:12 PM


"The transforming power of Christ's grace molds the one who gives himself to God's service. . . . No longer can he be  indifferent to the souls perishing around him. . . . He realizes that every part of his being belongs to Christ, who has redeemed him from the slavery of sin; that every moment of his future has been bought with the precious lifeblood of God's only-begotten Son.  {Mar 100.3} 
     Have you so deep an appreciation of the sacrifice made on Calvary that you are willing to make every other interest subordinate to the work of saving souls? The same intensity of desire to save sinners that marked the life of the Saviour marks the life of His true follower. The Christian has no desire to live for self. He delights to consecrate all that he has and is to the Master's service. He is moved by an inexpressible desire to win souls to Christ. . . . " {Mar 100.4}

Woe !   Powerful quote !  If the life of the "true follower" of Christ is marked with the same desire  to save sinners as  marked the life of  Christ what does that say about someone whose life is not marked with that same desire ?  Heavy accountability !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 23, 2014, 09:40:05 AM
 I canvassed  nine Amish families recently. Of the nine seven purchased books. This is a credit to God alone and to the settlement. This is a small, new settlement with meager incomes  and most of the younger families live in work sheds. Some of these buildings are  slightly larger than a single garage while some are in  large warehouses. The reason for this is it is practical  to either start very small or else to build their house within the warehouse rather than an extra building. Either they are better off then it appears or else they have stepped out in faith to purchase books at a difficult time for them. I have reason to believe it is the latter.

   While most settlements are friendly, this  particular one is even more so and they give evidence that they are more open to break out of the typical Amish mold in some ways that are promising. They are also into health. All good signs.

I talked to one father who was out helping his young son plow the garden with his team of horses. Since it was apparent that he was not interested  in purchasing books I was alittle more forward regarding the Sabbath than usual. When I asked him which day the 7th day Sabbath of the 4th commandment was he replied, " I guess I do not know."  When asked why he observes Sunday, he replied, " I guess because we have always done it that way."   He was entirely honest and had no attempted defense regarding Sunday rest/worship. This  man was not a youngster but perhaps 35-40 years old. I left with him a NSL book.

Every family in the settlement save one or two either purchased a Great Controversy or else received a Darkness Before Dawn, MOB, or NSL publication. They are thoroughly immersed in the truth. The only other thing I know to do other than prayer is to send them a few sets of Bible Studies and Steps To Christ.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 11, 2014, 09:54:45 PM
 Was one of those high stress days where the best part is that it is over. Music teacher was very naughty to the children and after an argument she is history. Set them up with another teacher. Ran a lead card in the city where the wife looked at the card  but the husband that sent it in would not even come to the door. Visited a problem home where the books are not being paid for. I believe they are seasoned escape artists when it comes to bills. Not all that purchase our books are good angels. :evil:The lady slammed the door and said she would call the cops. That was not a surprise but I was hoping for a solution. The books are lost and not  paid for. Believe it or not there are a few people that purchase books and seem sweet but turn ferrel when it comes to paying for them.

Visited another  lead card interest. The  people are very wealthy. The mother was very nice but the father who mailed the card in was out of town. It appears that she is a stay at home mom and her husband makes the decisions. Will call or  stop another time.

 Ran another delinquent account. No one home. Ran a lead 35 miles further away from home. No one home. Came back to the second delinquent customer's home. No one home yet. Headed toward home. Just as the house was almost out of sight I saw a car in the rear view mirror come down the highway. It appeared to have stopped at the mail box so I stopped to watch. Sure enough the SUV pulled into the drive way. I turned around, came back and pulled in behind. The father, who purchased the books was not with mother and her two girls. One of the girls cheered, " this is the man that had the Bible Story booth ! None of the girls were there when Dad purchased the books. I expected trouble from mother as she called a month earlier and said her husband wanted to send the books back. However, mother was very  polite. I asked that they get caught up on their payments as they had not made the first three payments. She said that her husband would  have to do that because they have separate banking accounts. That was a stall. I encouraged her to get her husband out of hock by making his payments and that her husband could pay her back and transfer money to her account. She already knew that but was dodging. After a little tender persuasion she decided to make the payments. All was fine and friendly. After 185 miles and no canvasses I arrive home.

Shortly thereafter I received a phone call from an Amish customer at the time for him to make his first interest free payment on his sets of the Bible Story and The Great Controversy.  Amish often have phones at a post out in the shed.  He discovered as they sometimes do that he can get the Bible Story books a good deal cheaper through their own catalog. I had to explain that there are unethical bandits in the publishing organization.  I did not tell him who it is, but for instance the Ohio Conference when they dropped their canvassing program sold them to the Amish and Mennonite through their catalogs. They probably still do. They sell them a little  above their cost and my cost but much lower than the LE can do and still put gas in his car. This has caused untold harm to the canvassing work and makes the LE look greedy. These people will have to answer to God for that. We had a long discussion and the man was so sweet. He is going to pay for the books but it naturally is hard for them to take especially since they live so meagerly to begin with. I went into great depth to explain the situation.

It is not uncommon for someone to look through a catalog or the internet for years and see the books but not purchase them through this cold impersonal method . When the LE  spends an hour in their home and the Holy Spirit moves them they become very impressed  with our books and will spend the required amount on them and be happy about it. Then they see them in a catalog sold the lazy man's way and at a much lower price . Often they will cancel and sometimes they will not pay for the books  and then purchase them elsewhere. In other words  the LE spends his time  and fuel to sell the Bible Stories for the Ohio Conference or a maverick book salesman like Mike Foster. Sometimes the people cancel  their order and do not buy the books at all. The worst part is these people do not get any of the SOP when they buy the books from a catalog.

 Some will have to answer in the judgment for those souls that are turned from the truth because of unethical ways of moving books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on December 11, 2014, 11:19:20 PM
Leave it to the un-named ungodly leaders then in power in Ohio to ruin a good thing, just like they do toward many other things.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 12, 2014, 08:27:15 AM
Leave it to the un-named ungodly leaders then in power in Ohio to ruin a good thing, just like they do toward many other things.

I brought this up to the Ohio conference years ago and their reply was that "this is God's way of stopping the LEs from going out and cherry picking the Amish." What were/are they doing  when they sell the Bible Stories ( no SOP) to no one but Amish and Mennonite and through their catalog ? At least the LE canvasses many different people groups. At least the LE sells SOP to the Amish or at least  he ought to be. If not shame on him ! He's not an LE.
The health books are our entering wedge and sometimes this works with the Amish and sometimes not. The Bible Stories have been a great entering wedge with this people group. The problem with health books as the wedge with the Amish is that some groups are not into health like they ought to be. Then there is the fact that while we have the best health books  there is competition out there in that area that is pretty good, thus the wedge does not always work. However, no one out there has anything that approaches the Bible Stories so it often tends to be a great wedge to the SOP books. We have to potential wedges with Amish and Mennonite.


The conference leader said " The Amish already know Jesus." In other words they are good to go. This is the entire problem with those in that Conference. They suppose that people can know Jesus and not know end time present truth regarding prophecy and still be saved. Or that to be dedicated in one's faith equates with salvation. Using their warped thinking, if "all the Amish already know Jesus" they do not need the Bible Story books either.The truth is that many of the Amish do know Jesus. And many do not. They are wrapped into traditional legalism. They need the depth of truth printed in the Desire of Ages, Steps to Christ,  and the Great Controversy. I soon realized that it was pointless to argue with the conference. They are simply in it for the money and rationalize that they are literature Evangelists. Makes one wonder if there is ANYTHING in that conference that they do right.

   I only canvass  Amish about 2% of the time as there are not that many around in most of the areas I have worked. Were there more I would indeed cherry pick them.Why not pick where the cherries are obviously hanging on the tree ? The problem with some is they are not picking the cherries. They are simply spraying them in order to sell spray. I am only comparing the Bibles Stories to spray as I would compare  brass to gold. The Bible Stories are polished brass (in many respects). Brass is useful and it is beautiful but it is not gold. If these book sellers were truly reaching the Amish with present truth I would say " great, at least they are reaching SOMEBODY ! As it is they are more of a stumbling block to the work of God.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 12, 2014, 05:45:44 PM
In response to your HIGH STRESS DAYS trying to share the truth of God's word and expecting people to follow God's commandments by being faithful in all ways.  [i.e. paying their bills, or what is rightfully due]

I'm reminded of the parable Jesus told:

Luk 5:36  And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37  And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38  But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39  No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

This is the same as sharing TRUTH people have not heard before... the unchurched.  They just cannot fit it into their own/old core of truth.  Things they believed to be true from books, the media, or from family over the years.    It is the same with the churched...and  'new' TRUTH.  They just can't seem to fit it into the mind to make any sense.  Therefore, they reject it.

Must pray always that God will open the minds of the hearers and soften the hearts.
It is hard work these days trying to share truth and I believe it is going to get even harder.

God Speed CP and the work that you do....  may the next door you knock on be a wonderful success story.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 12, 2014, 09:00:18 PM

 Thanks for the encouragement, Newbie. Days like that come every so often. It is not a new thing and relatively speaking, like you say, this is still mild. I have talked to the police many times but never mistreated or arrested. Never even forced to quit work or leave town. Bitten by dogs twice but never needed stitches. Threatened to be slugged but never struck.  A former SDA tried to throw me down a flight of stairs but did not succeed. A couple of people screamed obscenities at me with teeth gnashing  but I have not yet been shot or stabbed. Have never been falsely accused of ________.  It will be helpful should I be falsely accused of something in the future that my record is clean and not even a traffic violation or speeding ticked in the past 20 years. Thank you, Lord ! That's a blessing considering that one night when I was young I got three tickets in one night.

I thought I would just unwind here a little and share that while the LE work is loaded with miracles there is alot of conflict and there are tough times. The church could be a great help instead of a hindrance. Even so, the Lord is a good task master. I believe the literature ministry is the most difficult and yet the most rewarding work there is. I am a bit partial but I do not feel that way because I have been in the work for 23 years. I felt that way from the start. I was going to doors with free literature before I was baptized.  The only thing better than that was to learn I could get paid to do that. Though it was not alot it has been enough. What more can we ask for than that ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 21, 2014, 08:08:50 AM

  I will be working a literature booth in a couple of  weeks at a Farm Show. This is a first for me and this type of event will draw a little different people group than most other like events like fairs and Home Shows shows. It will be held mid week. For those who support the Literature work I solicit your prayers and it you would  like to stop by the booth and help let me know.  :-D  They expect 30,000 people to attend the three day event. That's not too bad considering the rural area  this is held in and considering it is mid week. Of course, many farmers are free during the week and in the winter. I am not able to be in the main concentration of booths due to the fact that this is reserved for strictly farming booths. However, there is an 8- 10 booth area where those with booths not directly relating to farming can set up. It is a heavy traffic area so I hope it works well. Winter events like this  typically produce very well, but I have had a couple of flops. Much depends on the number of attendees. Weather and  events like football games etc. factor in considerably.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 22, 2014, 03:19:54 PM
dress appropriately and you'll draw many  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 23, 2014, 02:37:08 PM
dress appropriately and you'll draw many  :-D

"Appropriate dress" is a very subjective theme. John Deere Farmer's cap ?   Some think that I over dress for these events and even for canvassing. We have a Bible worker that dresses in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts at a booth even on Sabbath. Ain't gonna happen here !  While that may be comfortable it tends to send the message of just a casual  (yawn) whatever, going on. Many do not understand that our clothing reflects on our books and on our message. Casual clothing = casual books= casual message = no big deal.

On another note, I noticed in a post by Pamela Adams way back when that she asked, how can we reach people spread out in rural areas or behind locked chain linked fences. Where there's a will there is a way. I have  been very effective in reaching people in that setting through working a booth, generating interest cards and then calling the people on the phone. It does take an approach on the phone that separates us from telemarketers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 25, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
I understand what you are saying... but the thought of you in bib overalls and a john deere hat brought a chuckle to my mind...

no bait and switch my dear bro?....lol

yes, it must be serious as the message of the gospel of truth is serious...  God Speed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 02, 2015, 11:06:16 AM
 
President Ted Wilson delivered a solid message last night at GYC and Christian Berdahl gave his testimony earlier  in the day. My family is  out helping at the homeless shelter right now.

It is nice that they are  incorporating evangelism in with the session. Perhaps never is one more uplifted than after going out during meetings like this, become involved, and to be able to come back and share  testimony. Talk about a glow !  My wife just text me and said "You would love to be here. They put literature evangelism at the forefront. Big emphasis on sharing literature. They had two seminars on this."

 They are having a training session right now and in minutes  they are headed out in buses to go canvass. This is great for my children to see youth excited about this and not just dad. I am fasting the next two days and praying for life changing experiences for my family and for others there.

Just previous to GC the youth knocked on, I think, 80,000 doors. Perhaps we are seeing the first  wave of revival taking place !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 04, 2015, 10:05:23 AM

 I will be setting up for a literature campaign at a trade show tomorrow. We received 2 inches of snow yesterday and the forecast is for 5-8 inches tomorrow. With the wind in this area of the country that is alot of snow.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 04, 2015, 10:38:14 AM

 I will be setting up for a literature campaign at a trade show tomorrow. We received 2 inches of snow yesterday and the forecast is for 5-8 inches tomorrow. With the wind in this area of the country that is alot of snow.

they have a saying for the mail man getting the mail through no matter what....
I pray that same message for our literature evangelists...they  will go through no matter what... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 10, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
Well, I had two problems. #1 the weather (sub zero weather and snow w 50 mph winds) and #2 the Farm show was almost entirely a guy thing. I was hoping to see more woman with children especially since they called school off 2 of  the 3 days but there were only a few. When 2-4 guys walk in together looking for tools they are a hard crowd to work and some likely  concerned what the other guys would think  if they stopped at a "religious booth." I was hoping for 500 drawing cards but only received 50. However, there were some very good interests. A man walked up to the booth and was taken by the book with the title NSL. He asked how much it was. I would have gladly given it to him free but replied, " whatever it is worth to you. It is a great book on prophecy and future  events." He laid down a 20 dollar bill and thanked me. During our dialog I asked him what his religious back ground is. He said he was Catholic. If it turns him around he would certainly not be the first RC to change course.  :wink:

    Another interesting happening was when a lady in her early 60s stopped and whispered, " This is SDA, right?"  I replied, "yes it is, are you SDA ? She whispered, "yes but my husband doesn't know it. He is Catholic. I am Lutheran, turned Catholic, turned SDA." About that time her husband walked up and said as he glanced briefly at the books, " Ahhh, all of this is good. Bible Stories ."

A man in his late fifties with his wife stopped at the booth. I could soon tell that this was a divine appointment. We entered into about a 20 minute Bible Study. While much of what I shared they did not know, it made sense and jelled for both of them. I gave them a free cop of the MOB. We talked about the Sabbath, and studied into the two beasts of Revelation 13. I shared with them the identity of the Scarlet Woman from Websters  unabridged dictionary. The wife squeezed my hand as they left and said so sweetly and sincerely, " God bless you."

I did not feel that I had done enough damage to the devil's cause so in the afternoon of the last day I handed out literature in all 350 vendors booths. Not a single rejection.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 11, 2015, 06:49:36 AM
prayed for you... maybe it will be quality this time rather than quantity... :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 11, 2015, 08:42:43 AM
prayed for you... maybe it will be quality this time rather than quantity... :-)

Yes, I remind myself that if one person is turned to follow the truth because of a silent preacher, and is saved, how much is that worth ? If Christ would have died for one, is it worth it to have a booth for one ?

If the Lord opens the door by reserving a booth space at this late date  I will work the Sports Show again 90 miles away in the city. Last year we gleaned 600 contact cards and quite a bit of literature was sold during follow up. I still have some cards left over from last years event as I have not been able to make connect with the people. A fresh stack to work off of would be very nice.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 18, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
   Friday afternoon my daughter and I bumped into a young Hispanic man in Hy Vee that I canvassed door to door a couple of times. He was so happy to see us, asked for my phone number, and said he wants to be able to understand the Bible. He asked about my church and referred to the Sabbath. He said he wants to study together Monday from 10:00 - 11:00 a.m. Apparently he has a spot open then from work. I am not overly optimistic as once before he asked about my church and suggested getting together but backed out when it got right down to it. However, this time he specifically asked to study together without any mention of it from myself. I am hopeful. I have given him some good  paperbacks and perhaps between those and what is happening in the news he is compelled to know more.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 19, 2015, 08:45:29 AM

 Jose texted me  this morning and asked if I could study with him on Friday instead of this morning. I still think that is good news. He is pursuing the study without any prompting on my part. It gives Satan a few days to draw him back but it also gives me a few days to pray for the leading of the Lord.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 21, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
After texting me again twice and changing the time of our  Bible Study it materialized this morning.  I was impressed earlier this week to ask Jose if there was a particular topic he would like to study. He replied that he would like to study about marriage. I had an idea that there  might be a marital problem. The reason being that considering how shy he had been in the past he seemed tenacious beyond his nature in terms of pursuing a study. I prepared a study on marriage. This morning he texted me  and asked if I could come a half hour later. Then at the door he called me and said he was in the shower could I wait 5 minutes. My daughter and I prayed in the car knowing that Satan was shooting and reloading with every attempt to stop this study.

   We went through the study. At the end Jose revealed that his wife took their 8 month old baby and went to California to visit her sister. She ended up staying out there where she had family and warm weather. Well, the question was did she want her husband to join her ? From what Jose said ....not particularly.

Next week we will be studying about prayer. Jose said he is learning from this and drawing closer to God and his Word. He asked again what church I go to and if I would like to have coffee and donuts with him. I replied that we do not drink coffee. That lead to a discussion on health and diet. I took the donuts home thinking that it might be too much for him if I told him we do not eat store bought donuts either. Next week he wants to eat breakfast together. I'm trying to figure out how to handle that. Bring breakfast along ?

He asked when and where we go to church and said he would text me this Friday about coming with us. Never  would he have agreed to study with me had his marriage been ok. He is getting an English Bible next week so he can follow along with me in the same language. He understands about 60% English and may have to use both Spanish and English Bibles. It is interesting that he is not going to his Pentecostal friends to study. I don't think they have a ministering spirit. I am more like a father mentor figure that he is looking for. His pastor is too busy. We are kind of an odd combination sin he is younger  and Hispanic. It is our past brief  but spiritual experiences together and his current crisis that has made this work. My young daughter, Jose,and I all knelt and prayed before we left. We ended with a handshake then a hug.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on January 22, 2015, 07:46:26 PM
been praying for this man and your bible study with him.... 

breakfast... for me non greasy hash browns are always good...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on January 23, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
Whole wheat toast with peanut butter and honey, and a fruit cup.   :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on January 23, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Next week he wants to eat breakfast together. I'm trying to figure out how to handle that. Bring breakfast along

I always admire anybody who is following our Health Message.  It shows that they are trying to be healthy and follow God's ideal for us.  But really?  One meal for the sake of witnessing? 

I'm not saying you have to eat pork or even meat of any kind.  But would it really mess up your system for one meal to have some "whole wheat" toast, etc. like V. & Newbie suggested (although "whole wheat" toast in a restaurant is sort of a joke)?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 23, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Jose text me and asked if we could have two studies a week so we had another study today.... this one on prayer. He came to my house so I had prepared tofu stir fry with potatoes, carrots, onions, garlic, celery, cabbage, red bell, tamari, and herbs. We also had rice, guacamole, corn chips, homemade bread and fresh tomatoes. I just skipped breakfast and we ate at mid day.  It wasn't just the timing of the meal  last study but a meal of glazed donuts between meals aint gonna happen. I just told him that I had eaten and would taken the donuts home. He commented today that the meal was a very healthy food. I learned that the pastor that married he and his wife was a Sabbath keeper.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 23, 2015, 04:44:46 PM
Since he wants to do more than one study a week, how about helping him with a deeper foundation that he expects .

What is sin, what is evil, what is guilt ?    Remove the tendrils of the original sin doctrine from his view of the gospel.    Dennis Priebe tackles that, it might be a good watch, then research and build your own study and share it here. 

  http://youtu.be/GjyejH6n5kU    (http://youtu.be/GjyejH6n5kU)     I hope this is the one I had in mind.  I still need to research "propensities" for my self. 

Yup ....   just checked and it's the one I had in mind.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on January 23, 2015, 05:31:51 PM
 We will see where the study leads. I am working very much out of the common order of things do to circumstances. He is a baby Christian. He is Pentecostal and do to a partial language barrier we take it slow and repeat alot. He will read the verse in English and then in Spanish. When I pray he is always talking. Near as I can tell it is intelligible words confirming that which is spoken in prayer but it is a little distracting. I am trying to feel my away along with him and letting him lead topically for right now. I want to build as close of a relationship as I can with him where his interest lies and then branch out as an interest develops in a certain area. I can sow little seeds all the time. For instance, in our study today many times included in the verses on prayer there was emphasis on obedience to the commandments. He picked up on that and in one area the Sabbath was mentioned. He took note of that  and we talked about it briefly. It is good that he takes the verses that we read together and studies them again on his own during the week.

Thank you Newbie, and others, for praying for Jose. He realizes that God is using this difficult time to speak to him.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on January 23, 2015, 05:45:36 PM
I have been studying about Christ and propensities  and found this, if it's beyond 5K I will just post a reference.
 
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His Blameless Life

    Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. John 14:30. {FLB 49.1} 

     We should have no misgivings in regard to the perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ.  {FLB 49.2}
 
     He is a brother in our infirmities, but not in possessing like passions. As the sinless One, His nature recoiled from evil. He endured struggles and torture of soul in a world of sin. His humanity made prayer a necessity and privilege.  {FLB 49.3} 

     He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity.  {FLB 49.4} 

     In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses by which man is encompassed. . . . He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He "knew no sin." He was the lamb "without blemish and without spot." Could Satan in the least particular have tempted Christ to sin, he would have bruised the Saviour's head. As it was, he could only touch His heel. Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. Christ and the church would have been without hope.  {FLB 49.5} 

     Not even by a thought could Christ be brought to yield to the power of temptation. . . . Christ declared of Himself, "The prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."  {FLB 49.6} 

     Jesus did not allow the enemy to pull Him into the mire of unbelief, or crowd Him into the mire of despondency and despair.  {FLB 49.7} 

     Christ's humanity was united with divinity, and in this strength He would bear all the temptations that Satan could bring against Him, and yet keep His soul untainted by sin. And this power to overcome He would give to every son and daughter of Adam who would accept by faith the righteous attributes of His character. {FLB 49.8}
 

He Died for Us

     But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8. {FLB 50.1}

     There is one great central truth to be kept ever before the mind in the searching of the Scriptures--Christ and Him crucified. Every other truth is invested with influence and power corresponding to its relation to this theme. . . . The soul palsied by sin can be endowed with life only through the work wrought out upon the cross by the Author of our salvation.  {FLB 50.2} 

     When Christ bowed His head and died, He bore the pillars of Satan's kingdom with Him to the earth. He vanquished Satan.  {FLB 50.3} 

     Christ submitted to crucifixion, although the heavenly host could have delivered Him. The angels suffered with Christ. God Himself was crucified with Christ; for Christ was one with the Father. Those who reject Christ, those who will not have this man to rule over them, choose to place themselves under the rule of Satan, to do his work as his bondslaves. Yet for them Christ yielded up His life on Calvary.  {FLB 50.4} 

     He who died for the sins of the world was to remain in the tomb the allotted time. He was in that stony prison house as a prisoner of divine justice. He was responsible to the Judge of the universe. He was bearing the sins of the world, and His Father only could release Him.  {FLB 50.5} 

     He identified Himself with our interests, bared His breast for the stroke of death, took man's guilt and its penalty, and offered in man's behalf a complete sacrifice to God. By virtue of this atonement, He has power to offer to man perfect righteousness and full salvation. Whosoever shall believe on Him as a personal Saviour shall not perish, but have everlasting life.  {FLB 50.6} 

     The price of man's redemption has been paid, and all he has and is should be sprinkled with the blood of Christ, dedicated to God; for it belongs to Him. {FLB 50.7}
 

I hope the Priebe video inspires building lots of good Bible Studies. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 28, 2015, 07:52:27 PM

Dan is an EMT in a town about 50 miles from me. He purchased books from me about 2 years ago. He was going through a divorce and trying to get custody of his two boys. Lawyers were taking a lot of his money and he had problems making book payments, with bad checks and such. I had become thoroughly frustrated with him after all the miles collecting payments and such. Even so, I sucked it up and was patient beyond measure. I think he could have done a lot better but since he was so nice about it and seemed to have a genuine interest I was tender with him and picked up only part of the books leaving him the Bible Stories along with the Great Controversy.

    About 8 months ago Dan called and wanted to get together and talk. We set up a time and he cancelled on the appointed day. He called again and we set up another time and he cancelled again. A third time he called and wanted to get together. Again, he cancelled over what seemed like a minor thing. In my mind I said, " That's it. I'm not setting up another appointment.

    About 2 weeks ago Dan called and left a message wanting to get together again and talk about world events in light of the Bible. I waited a couple of days and thought about it. I called him back and as before he was interested in getting together. I said we could get together at Taco Johns. This is about the only place we eat out at as I can get bean burritos on Taco Tuesday for 89 cents and they treat me well by loading them up free of charge. I did say to Dan that if I set a side a time to get together he would have to make it work this time. He assured me that he would. He said that he has almost read through the Great Controversy and would like to talk about it. That was a nice turn of events. He said that there are not many people you can talk with about these kinds of things or who have knowledge about prophecy.

He arrived on time and we ate and talked for about two hours. I brought along my Bible and the Great Controversy. He brought up the 2300 days and the Sabbath. His comments revealed that he was digesting some things. He is being richly blessed and I expect to hear from him again. I think he had to read more of the GC before he was moved enough to put our getting together as a top priority. All in God's timing !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 01, 2015, 03:54:44 PM
what a test of patience
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 07, 2015, 06:15:21 PM
The following are four pictures made by a child and brought to me as I was canvassing his father. See if you can tell what each picture is describing. I found some aspects of the scenes as only a child might view them.  I found the chair very accommodating in the first picture :-D

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(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab175/darya12/IMG_0481.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/darya12/media/IMG_0481.jpg.html)

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab175/darya12/IMG_0489.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/darya12/media/IMG_0489.jpg.html)

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab175/darya12/IMG_0486.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/darya12/media/IMG_0486.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 07, 2015, 07:15:14 PM
very cute...  confused a bit by the last one...

splain the last one for me please...   :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 07, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
very cute...  confused a bit by the last one...

splain the last one for me please...   :-D

I'm gonna wait a bit and see if another can pick it up first. For some reason was not able to down size the last picture so you may have to slide the picture side ways to see it all. I know you can figure it out.

I thought it was interesting too that he had the faces appropriately happy or sad. However, he decided that the fish who swallowed the man and the chair was happy.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 08, 2015, 07:18:05 AM

 Hint : the man up in the tree is a wee little man.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 09, 2015, 03:58:28 PM

 Hint : the man up in the tree is a wee little man.
got it thanks...very cute all of the pictures... 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 10, 2015, 07:13:28 PM

I will be setting up a literature booth at the Sports Show in a couple of days. It is a 4 day event and draws about 15,000 people. Last year I had about 600 people sign up for the drawing. For those inclined please keep this in your prayers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 11, 2015, 12:41:12 PM

I will be setting up a literature booth at the Sports Show in a couple of days. It is a 4 day event and draws about 15,000 people. Last year I had about 600 people sign up for the drawing. For those inclined please keep this in your prayers.
ok
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 16, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
I posted a question on the drawing box at the booth " According to Revelation 13:11 what part will America play in the final events of this earth's history ?

     Good         bad         or neutral   ?


The majority of people replied " bad."   They base their "guess" not off of  Scripture but rather what they see happening today in this country.

Received 450 drawing cards. Not as high as last year but the quality was still good. Typically the first year is always the best. Interesting, as always ,some of the contacts and discussions with other vendors. One is a JW and the discussion was refreshing. Will share more later.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 17, 2015, 08:56:16 AM
PTL...praying for you and others too
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 14, 2015, 11:46:47 AM
 Rebecca said that her husband would be home at such and such a time. I came back and was invited inside. Father was back and forth cooking on the grill as I canvassed. The couple are Catholic and both are veterinarians. Their little adopted boy not being very restrained was in the mix most of the time. Father was tired and a tad stressed as people get when their little one is all wound up and the parents are trying to muli task. They purchased the Bible Stories, Great Controversy, and Desire of Ages. It as amazing how the four year old boy became glued to me as I  was writing up the order. I mean he was giving me hugs after the fashion of a child that had not seen their parent for some time. Then he gave me a painting he made at school before following me out to get their books. Not sure why all the attention right at the end from the little boy. It was almost as though he understood that something good had just happened.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 14, 2015, 11:53:07 AM

 As I was about to back out of the drive in pulled a SUV. I explained why I was there as Kelly said, " ok, do we need to do this inside?"  I replied, "could we?"   We went inside and as I canvassed her it was  apparent that she has a soft heart. A couple of times she had tears in her eyes. She said, " I'm just a cry baby." She was especially touched when the topic touched on the fact that we cannot communicate with the dead. She had just lost her grandmother. As is my custom we talked about some very serious matters involving world events and such. Kelly wrote out a check for the down payment and wrote out ten checks, one for each month's payment to pay for her set of books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 14, 2015, 11:59:06 AM
 
   The young couple were very moved during the canvass as we began on the lighter side but soon entered into dialog about the most serious matters that one could discuss, and many of them involving current events. Father is an engineer and mother an RN. Mother said her grandmother has the Bible Stories and I could tell that she was partial to them. The husband had converted over to the Reformed church from Lutheran. They opted to purchase the Bedtime Story set, My Bible Friends set, and the Great Controversy illustrated.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 14, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
aw sweet... praying for these people
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 17, 2015, 12:28:25 PM
Was canvassing in the city yesterday and came across a Mennonite church so parked and entered. Saw a light on through a cracked door and spotted someone sitting in a desk chair wearing ear phones and facing then other direction. When I rapped on the door he jumped a foot and pulled off the ear phones. If I didn't know better  I would have thought that I was in a Catholic or Episcopalian church. The pastor was wearing robe with a chain around  his neck with a cross. There were maltese crosses and crucifixes everywhere. I don't know but this church certainly gives the appearance of sliding back into Catholicism.

I had an appointment with a young mother a couple of blocks away from the church so headed over.  Nicole is a stay at home mom and finances were tight with she and her husband. She said they were between churches right now and asked where our church is. We studied through a few verses in the  Bible regarding pork and Baptism. She purchased 4 maga books and was so happy that I left the books with her even though she would have to send me the money in a couple of weeks on her husbands payday. She said she would very much like someone to study the Bible with her so I turned her information over to the Bible worker.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 27, 2015, 08:27:14 PM

 I had an appointment  this afternoon with a mother in what some have labeled "Sewer City." It is a city that is a melting pot of lower middle and low income people many who are minorities of various back grounds. Last week I stopped at the home to canvas this family if possible. There was a Harley motorcycle parked in the drive next to a couple of Japanese autos. The lady that answered the door was a dark skinned woman not sure what nationality. She appeared uneasy about my stop and said that her husband would not be interested and it was not a good time. I asked if it would work the next week on the same day as I would be back in town on that day. She said that would be ok.

    I told my children that I did not expect the appointment to work out well and I would probably be home early. I can usually discern these situations pretty well and I expected either no one to be home or else I would be turned away at the door. However, I am not infallible in my analyses and everyone deserves a chance when they agree to an appointment.
 
    I arrived at the appointed time and was met at the door by the husband. He was friendly. Both parents were very friendly. Our opening dialog went well and I asked the husband if his Harley got along with the Nissan.  :-D   On their big screen TV the news clip was showing a riot somewhere in the US. It was the perfect back drop as I took the couple through my " This World Coming A Part" prospectus. I learned that Jeremy is or was a Catholic while Paula was with the Reformed church but both attend a non denominational church. At the end of my prospectus I have the picture from volume 10 of the Bible stories depicting the second coming of Christ. Paula said with excitement " I remember that picture! I think I  had these books growing up !  Jeremy has a reading disability but he was very much into the canvass as well. The canvass flowed so well on all points. They purchased the Bible Stories and Triumph of God's Love / Great Controversy.

Paula acted as though she expected her husband to be a problem. I could see it in the way she looked at him from time to time. He was a perfect gentlemen, however. For some reason this happens more often than one might think. I don't know if the spouse does not really know their spouse that well or if the Holy Spirit works with the spouse in a manner that they did not anticipate. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard the wife say that her husband would not be interested when it turned out that they were the greater interest and the factor that made the decision or sealed the decision to purchase the books.

Sometimes the spouse is a problem and sometimes they are the solution. You never can be sure until things unfold. I certainly did not discern correctly the degree of interest during my first visit at the door. Those kinds of surprises  however, are always welcome.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 28, 2015, 12:08:36 PM
what a nice surprise
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 04, 2015, 09:22:45 AM

I'm going to try to canvass a state trooper in the city this evening. A couple of weeks ago a canvass with him ensued. He was very intent on what was being shared when his wife reminded him they had a birthday party to go to. She did not appear interested in what we were doing. When I asked if we could get together again and finish what was started he replied " certainly!" The problem is that he is a busy guy between work assignments all over the country as well as family obligations. Also, I don't have reason to believe that his wife will be a help. Hopefully, I'm wrong and she was just distracted during our first visit. This young man was entirely focused on the presentation. I explained that I have already sold books to two of his police officer friends in the city. This will be win win no matter what happens. Worst case scenario I will drop off a present truth book on prophecy such as NSL or Great Controversy. The NSL book is an easy book to  give to a police officer because of the title. It's usually as easy as, " Being a law officer I think  you might really find this book interesting."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 04, 2015, 06:29:28 PM

I think the wife threw cold water on this. I cannot be sure but that's an educated guess considering her attitude during my first visit. The officer made an excuse at the door for not pursuing the books that was not an excuse. His response was very different than during the first canvass. We did have a nice talk however and I gave him some free lit with the NSL being part of it. We talked about the Ten commandments. I showed him my copy of Arizona Senator Sylvia Allen and her suggesting that a Sunday law be mandated. The man replied," but I don't think that could ever happen." I said, we also thought that regarding forced health care didn't we ?  Revelation 13 and 14 talks repeatedly about worship and some of those times it is forced worship." The officer did not realize that the Sabbath was not Sunday. He welcomed the free books. There will be many non sale situations that will produce souls for the kingdom. Satan will win some battles (or so it seems) but he loses the war. The truth will get to the people  whether or not the colporteur is well funded in the process.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 04, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
dust your shoes off...
but still pray that the literature you left will do something for them
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 05, 2015, 07:51:53 AM
dust your shoes off...
but still pray that the literature you left will do something for them

I have every reason to believe it will and I was prepared to be turned back. As I said  I consider the situation win win.  That's one thing about the canvasing work. You learn to be prepared for anything and to expect the unexpected. Hope for the best and be prepared for the worst. We are often surprised both ways. I expected  a problem given the attitude of the wife. However, sometimes we do not correctly gauge the situation with only a moments exposure. I cannot tell you how many times things look less than hopeful and yet something wonderful breaks out. One learns to take these every day occurrences in stride or else he strides away from the work.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 02, 2015, 07:52:11 PM
I canvassed a nice Eastern Orthodox couple the other night. That is a first for me. They have some interesting beliefs. They believe in baptism by immersion and at the same time infant baptism. They believe in the Universal Catholic church but agree that the papacy may be the end time problem system. They kind of consider themselves protestant Catholics. They are kind of that blend. They put a heavy emphasis on the early church fathers and what they did ,much like the papacy does. What they have not understood is that the church fathers they refer to were already somewhat corrupted. They know more about the history of the church fathers (as they have been taught it) than they do about the Bible. They are very careful not make a move without the approval of their church and yet they purchased several magabooks one being the Great Controversy. What helped pave the way for this was our short Bible study on prophecy.

They stated that SDAs believe in the Sabbath and they are right. I don't know how they reconcile that with their church, probably they think they keep the Sabbath because the Catholic church has a Saturday night service. If they read the GC it will give them a lot of food for thought.

While many shudder at the thought of going to a door and canvassing I find it much easier than dealing with issues in our church.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on June 02, 2015, 08:07:48 PM

Two demos and the sale of books in both homes. The LE was feeling a bit tired but after driving 90 miles one way he did not want to head home while there was still some working time left. More homes were approached and at one the family invited me in while taking steaks off the drill. They said that supper could wait. Under those circumstances it is best to shorten the canvass so the warm up prospectus that takes about 10 minutes was bypassed. It was observed that this was not a polished family and the setting was such that it was just a matter of getting into the books. The mother is ex military and now home schools. Father hauls hazardous liquid as a truck driver. Simple down to earth family and it did not take a polished canvass but just a relaxed basic canvass and they wrote out a check for the 14 volumes library and a set of Bible studies. Again, not what would seem to be the most likely candidate purchased the largest amount of books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on June 02, 2015, 08:33:10 PM
I canvassed a nice Eastern Orthodox couple the other night. That is a first for me. They have some interesting beliefs. They believe in baptism by immersion and at the same time infant baptism. They believe in the Universal Catholic church but agree that the papacy may be the end time problem system. They kind of consider themselves protestant Catholics. They are kind of that blend. They put a heavy emphasis on the early church fathers and what they did ,much like the papacy does. What they have not understood is that the church fathers they refer to were already somewhat corrupted. They know more about the history of the church fathers (as they have been taught it) than they do about the Bible. They are very careful not make a move without the approval of their church and yet they purchased several magabooks one being the Great Controversy. What helped pave the way for this was our short Bible study on prophecy.

They stated that SDAs believe in the Sabbath and they are right. I don't know how they reconcile that with their church, probably they think they keep the Sabbath because the Catholic church has a Saturday night service. If they read the GC it will give them a lot of food for thought.

While many shudder at the thought of going to a door and canvassing I find it much easier than dealing with issues in our church.
    :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 28, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
I will be setting up a literature booth at the local county fair tomorrow and ask for your prayers.
This year they have impact competitive pro wrestling, a ventriloquist, a magician, and a hypnotist. Yikes !
This will be in a Catholic town but we have had good success in selling books door to door, from doctor's office leads, and from fair leads. While I tend to be very pro-active at my book regarding prophecy things will be even more ramped up this year ( if that is possible) due to current events.  There is a Republican booth in the building where they are promoting Ben Carson gangbusters. Any suggestions as to what questions I  might ask them ?
 I am thinking to ask those at the booth what Dr. Carson's religious background is and if they know what he believes regarding Bible Prophecy. I may be able to key off of his popularity and leave them a book published by his church.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on July 30, 2015, 07:34:15 AM
Interesting day yesterday at the fair to say the least. I went over to the Republican booth with a National Sunday law book. They were handing out books by presidential running mate Dr. Ben Carson. I asked them if they knew what Ben Carson believes about the Bible. None knew. I handed them a copy of the NSL book and said that this is what Ben Carson's church believes. He is a Seventh day Adventist. No one at the booth the entire day realized that as every time they had a shift change with new people I went over and asked questions.  At that precise moment the sheriff meandered up to the booth and asked the question, "would that be bad?"  In other words, would a Sunday law be a problem ? I replied, "well, if it is a Sunday law and someone breaks the law, it would require that someone like you pay them a visit. Do you think that would be good?"  He got it and then  he  said, " I don't think think a NSL would ever happen. I handed him a copy of what Republican  and Arizona state Senator Sylvia Allen said about legislating that people be required to go to church on Sunday and read a small but key part of it. His attention was full.. He asked, do you really think people would go for that?"  I replied that "they would and will go for it when the crisis hits. There are no atheists in fox holes and when people are in a enough of a crisis they will go for about anything if they think it will solve the problem. Right now the pendulum is swinging to the far left with Obama. When the pendulum comes back down," he interrupted and took the words right out of my mouth with, " the pendulum never stops in the center."  I replied, "that's right, it will go to the far right and Sylvia Allen's idea with get a great deal of traction. There are already a number of people that think a NSL is a great idea and the pope is coming next month to address congress and he will include that very idea."   As he was paging through my NSL book I said, "take it with you, I have more and can bring another to the people at the booth."  " I'll do that", he said as he walked off with the book. The timing of how this came together was perfect.

Few know anything about Ben Carson other than what is on the news and no one seems to know or pay any attention to the pope coming to address congress. One person asked if this would be any different  then Israel's leader addressing congress " I replied that it is entirely different because of the organizations that each represent.

A lady stopped by my booth and said that she is a prophetess. Given some other things she said I highly question if she is a true prophet however she was very nice and we talked for about 45 minutes. She said that God showed her in a vision that Rand Paul will be the next president. While I take that with a grain of salt it was an interesting conversation. I gave her a book as well to take with her.

I stopped at a ecumenical  Christian  booth geared for children. They were face painting and had a game where people, mostly children would throw bean bags at a net with holes in it and scores for making it through the various holes. I picked up two bean bags and hit the bulls eye twice in a row. A young man about 20 replied, "wow, I have been throwing these for some time and have not made it through the net once. You must be a baseball player." I replied, "no, but I have always been good at throwing things. It's due in part to my healthy diet." He said, are you vegetarian? " I replied, "vegan." One thing led to another until we ended up in a 30 minute Bible study using one of the give away paperback Bibles at their booth. It was a very busy study. He followed me over to my booth where we continued. He left with a paperback copy of the NSL and Mark of the Beast.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 30, 2015, 07:50:35 AM
Great testimony Cp.... GREAT STUFF!!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 05, 2015, 10:52:57 AM

 Live from the Literature booth at the fair !   :-D

A JW just stopped by to answer our question " How many years did it take Moses to build the ark ?"
We had a nice conversation about last day events and the Pope and others promoting a Sunday law. She caught the trip but did not have the answer as to how long it took NOAH.

I briefly visited the Republican booth and asked what the man thinks about the pope addressing congress. He replied, " I'm a Catholic but I think the pope should mind church business and not politics. " I agreed.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 05, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
 
 
A fellow vendor that I befriended last year just stopped by my booth. Last year we talked much, had a prayer together and I gave him some books. He was being convicted last year about keeping the Sabbath but was not practicing it. Before he left my booth moments ago he said, " I'm keeping the Sabbath. I want to talk more."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on August 05, 2015, 05:22:13 PM
Praise God!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 05, 2015, 07:37:40 PM

 Live from the Literature booth at the fair !   :-D

A JW just stopped by to answer our question " How many years did it take Moses to build the ark ?"
We had a nice conversation about last day events and the Pope and others promoting a Sunday law. She caught the trip but did not have the answer as to how long it took NOAH.

I briefly visited the Republican booth and asked what the man thinks about the pope addressing congress. He replied, " I'm a Catholic but I think the pope should mind church business and not politics. " I agreed.
creative lure
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 06, 2015, 11:16:56 AM

 Live from the Literature booth at the fair !   :-D

A JW just stopped by to answer our question " How many years did it take Moses to build the ark ?"
We had a nice conversation about last day events and the Pope and others promoting a Sunday law. She caught the trip but did not have the answer as to how long it took NOAH.

I briefly visited the Republican booth and asked what the man thinks about the pope addressing congress. He replied, " I'm a Catholic but I think the pope should mind church business and not politics. " I agreed.
creative lure

It leads into , " The Bible says that when Christ comes again it will be like it was back in the days of Noah. It will be a wicked generation." If the person replies, "we're there" or "we're getting there" it is a green light to talk about prophecy.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 18, 2015, 07:23:33 AM

While out canvassing last night it was a very prosperous evening. Books were sold in two homes and free books were left in others.

I stopped by the home of someone that promises to be a good interest. He was waylaid with a flue type bug  so we set up an appointment for next week. I had it too for a month. It was a rough one and I worked too fairs while having it.  I shared with him some information on garlic and oil of oregano relative to his health concern. He replied, " funny you should mention that." ( oil of Oregano). We have used that to treat our pigs."  I replied, " it works for pigs. It will work for you."  Not too hard to convince with that situation.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 18, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
 
Had a  little run in with a pit bull today while canvassing. Was standing at the door talking to the wife of a Nazarene pastor when their pit bull jumped up, bit me in the leg about where the top of where my front pocket  is and hung on. He left some pretty nasty marks but fortunately the heavy pants I was wearing kept the teeth from going too deep. I guess 5 dog bites out of 30,000 doors is pretty low and none required medical attention. Only three of the bites drew blood and this one was the worst. I would have liked to have had a couple minutes alone with that dog. I have zero tolerance for biting dogs. My idea is to send them off to the land of Canines. It was not easy to stay focused while canvassing the lady after the bite. I will stop back to canvass her husband, the pastor. I pretty much brushed it off during the next two canvasses and sold books in one of the homes. The other was a good experience as well and I was able to set up two appointments for later in the week.

   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 19, 2015, 05:56:20 PM
terrible experience--- Satan for sure was working through that dog

we knocked on a door once and a large white pit bull of maybe 100 pounds answered and jumped up on the door forcing it open and came at us through a screen door... fortunately the screen door's lock held up....I suggested that we back up slowly down the walk we once came...  my partner wanted to stay... I said no... let's go... no one is home anyway... she put a freebie under the door and he grabbed it.....fortunately he did not get out but it was very close...  most of the homes usually have drugs and the pit bull is there to protect the home

another time a big great dane marmaduke-type charged an open window with screen when we knocked on the door... funny thing happened after that...  he hit the screen so hard that it popped out and there was nothing between the dog and us...  he got scared and shrunk back... we left a freebie and went on to the next home...  window was to the open air and dog still inside very silent and scared...

people saw us coming down the street and hooked up their fierce dog just outside the front porch to scare us off... seems this has been a routine followed often...  we continued and the dog backed off... owner was surprised that we made it to the door safely and the dog was quiet and backed way off... 

2 greyhound type dogs at the screened window and screen door when we came up and knocked...  the owner was surprised that they did not bark when we came up... he said that they always bark when strangers come up the walk... he invited us in... let us feed the dogs...we sat down in the living room... one on my lap... and gave the canvass...

maybe someday God will show us what was really going on....
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on August 19, 2015, 07:47:38 PM
I love stories like these!  Keep them coming, Newbie, Colporteur, and any others that have them!

Which reminds me of the story some years ago from someone who was a new member of our church.  She was going door to door for another denomination, and was walking down the street when a deranged looking man started running straight for her.    She said he looked terrifying and surely meant her harm.  When he got close, he looked up over her head, got a horrified and frightened look on his face and took off in the opposite direction.  Of course, when she turned around there was nothing/nobody there.  She thought he must have seen her guardian angel, and I believe her!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 28, 2015, 05:02:27 PM

 There are more stories like that V H than many realize.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 29, 2015, 11:29:13 AM

Canvassed the pastor with the dog that bit me. He seemed particular about who produced the material. I left him some pointed material. I think he was more gracious only because he was afraid I might sue him. Even so, that may tell to advantage as I was very forgiving and that will reflect on the material. To satisfy his curiosity I told him that we are SDA. He said that some of his members were asking why they worship on  Sunday. His answer was that it is because of tradition and because Jesus rose on Sunday. He said that they worshipped on every day in the NT by braking bread together. I said that they were simply eating together. I left the material to refute the other statements. It is interesting that his members are asking about it. We canvassed almost every home in town and left a lot of literature.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 30, 2015, 08:40:24 AM
Headed out to canvass in an hour. Those of like mind please keep my work in your prayers. Will be a lot of driving. Thanks.

While the work is not always easy now, soon it will be exceedingly difficult.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 30, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Headed out to canvass in an hour. Those of like mind please keep my work in your prayers. Will be a lot of driving. Thanks.

While the work is not always easy now, soon it will be exceedingly difficult.
so true
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 31, 2015, 07:23:15 AM
    It was 24 years ago and my first day canvassing. I was heading to a town about 20 miles away when passing a very small town where as a child I lived for a year. I decided to stop and canvass door to door there. I knocked on all the doors on the south side of town and there was not a single response. Either the people were not come or else did not come to the door. I decided to go to the north side of town and knock. At one door a rather gruff looking man appeared. I gave my cold call approach to a man that was intimidating. He allowed me to come in for a moment, however. As is often the case, the cover of John might appear intimidating but the pages inside were soft. To make a long story short we clicked. My sincerity and energy resonated with him and He and his wife Nancy purchased a set of the Bible stories with The Great Controversy and Patriarchs and Prophets. There was something special about the visit not only because it was my first experience out in the field but because of the people. I have prayed for them many times over the years but we lost touch as I moved out of state for several years.

Fast forward 24 years.... We moved back to the same general area as when I started canvassing. I decided to make the 70 mile drive and stop to see John yesterday. It was Sunday and I thought perhaps he and his family would be home. I knocked on the door and young lady of 25 years old  answered the door. Of course, John and Nancy’s daughter did not recognize me as she was only 1 year old when I sold them the books. I asked for John. She said that John had passed away last year from cancer. WOOO. I could tell that she was still very tenderly sorrowful about it. I explained that her parents purchased the Bible Story books from me many years ago and we had a special relationship. She responded positively.

    About that time Nancy pulled into the drive. Nancy is severely hearing impaired and therefore partially speech impaired but she does pretty good with it and reads lips as well. I approached her car as she was slow getting out and seemed very tired. She did not at first recognize me but when I explained who I was of course she remembered. She escorted me to the patio and invited me to sit. She told in detail the last year of John’s life. She said that her son is taking it well but she and her daughter are struggling. I went and got my Bible and read several comforting verses such as “ Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints.” Then I entered high risk territory and said that the death of John is precious because he is now resting in the grave awaiting the second coming of Jesus. I quoted I Thess. 4:16-18 which ends with “wherefore comfort one another with these words.” I talked at length about these verses and how the state of the dead and the resurrection works. I realized that this was somewhat foreign to her but it resonated when I asked her if she thought John would be at peace watching she and her daughter’s grief from heaven and not being able to hug them or talk to them. Of course she could see how that would be a painful thing for him and how resting in the grave until Jesus comes would be a comforting thing. I explained how that the time that John is resting would seem to him like a split second delay.

   Then I was impressed to enter really high risk discussion and talk about spiritualism. I said, “ I really do not want to talk about this but it is important to do so.
   I read verses like Eccl. 9:5-6 and others. I had no idea how important it was to share that with Nancy until moments later. She told the story of how one morning at 3:00 a.m. ( the time that John died) she woke up and strangely the lamp on her night stand by the bed was on. She thought, could I have left that on all night. However, the very same thing happened for the next two nights.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on August 31, 2015, 07:24:33 AM

 Conclusion :

   Nancy was certain that she was not leaving the lamp on so this time she left the lamp on when she went to bed. When she woke at 3:00 a.m. the lamp was off.” She said, “ I began to wonder if John was trying to communicate with me.” Then she told of the little neighbor girl that was very lose to John just like he was her grandpa. She said the little girl said that she has been seeing John. I went into lengthy detail about how Satan today uses as a medium, not snakes, but manifestations of those we love in order to ultimately mislead us just like he did Eve in the garden. We talked about good angels and bad angels and that Satan and his angels are on this earth. I explained how important and comforting it is to know where John is and where he is not. Nancy, replied, “ I wish you could talk to my daughter about this. She will not talk about her father to me. Maybe she would talk to you.”  I replied, “maybe” …… we can try.
      The daughter asked her mother what we were going to be talking about as I sat in the patio chair and awaited her return. Her mother kind of put her off and said, “just come on out with us.” I think the daughter had an idea of what we were discussing and it was some time before she mustered the courage to appear. I circled back around and pretty much covered the same ground as I did with Nancy knowing that this would be even more high risk discussion than before . There could be an emotional break down, she could get angry and reject the idea that John was not in heaven and that these communicating activities was not her father. However, she handled it all very well and was very positively responsive, even surprisingly so. Then the two began asking questions about me and we ended up talking about health. The daughter really opened up then and was very receptive and curious about our health message. She is into a healthy diet.  We talked at length and I left some free literature on prophecy and health.
    I closed with a prayer. Nancy gave me a long hug as if to say “thank you”  and she said she was so happy for my visit. I could not talk to John that day but I could do something that he would have wanted done. He was somewhat apprehensive about leaving his family and not being there for them. He bought his wife a new car and a riding lawn mower before he died. He wanted to set things up for his family. If he were alive and realized the state of the dead and how Satan would use his death to go after his family and others, he would have wanted very much this visit so as to protect his loved ones. It was great to be there. While I was not compelled to attempt to sell the health books there perhaps I should have done so. Anyway, there may be another visit to that home in the future where I can do that. Meanwhile, this is another beautiful memory to log in.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on August 31, 2015, 08:00:59 AM
Amen, Colporteur!  I'm so glad the Holy Spirit guided you to John's home that day.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on August 31, 2015, 07:36:27 PM
Amen, Colporteur!  I'm so glad the Holy Spirit guided you to John's home that day.
two thumbs up
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 01, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
 A person never knows what he will encounter. I never anticipated that I would be talking about demons masquerading in place of a friend that I thought I would be talking to among the living.

Last night I canvassed a single parent with several children. She is divorced and the father is letting the children play video games three hours a day when they are with him every other weekend. Of course the teen age boy likes that and the father cannot be persuaded as to the seriousness of this. The mother is a nice lady and replied when she came to the door " Oh, the Bible Story man." However, we were interrupted by counselors that came to the door to talk about her issues with her x. They were not particularly warm to "the Bible Story man" and appeared anything but professional. I had to wait 45 minutes for them. Then the mother's friend was disruptive. Her ring tome kept going off and it sounded like a rock concert.  Then the son wiped out on his bike and skinned up his side and elbow real good. Then her boyfriend called and said he hurt his back at work. The devil was working in every way to break of my work there. However, we worked through it and a set of Bible Stories and a Great Controversy was left there. She asked that I allow her to see the DVDS by Scotts Ritsema on video games to watch and see if her x would take a look at them. Her mother is scrambling to find material to convince the x and perhaps the counselors as to the danger of this.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 01, 2015, 10:05:45 AM
It might be a good time to begin exploring ways in which we can key off of Ben Carson's popularity to reach people with the Three Angel's Messages. I have already been doing that very successfully and have shared a few ideas on this thread.

Next year there will be signs in the yards promoting various presidential candidates. That will help give us an idea of who favors Ben Carson. As long as  he remains popular and as long as he still professes to believe the 3 Angel's Messages we can methodically lead people to the truth and to our publications while working door to door and elsewhere.

For instance :  Do you know what Dr. Carson believes is coming ?  Do you know how this is already being fulfilled ?   As some people almost worship this man it will put a good flavor on a message that may seem very different  and foreign to them. If we set up an approach in the proper order and flow with the people where we can our literature may appear very interesting and appealing when before there was not as easy a way in the past to break ground and make the literature inviting.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 01, 2015, 06:00:19 PM
use whatever is popular and current to draw them in...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 02, 2015, 07:26:18 AM

 By the way, I had to schedule 4 appointments for a time span of less than three hours for this evening. That is jammed considering travel time to get to each one and the fact that my demos typically take around an hour and often longer. It is probable  that 1 of the 4 will either fall through or end up being short so it will probably work out. I don't like to schedule them that close however as it adds pressure to rush. Keep me/my work in your prayers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on September 02, 2015, 07:36:58 AM
It might be a good time to begin exploring ways in which we can key off of Ben Carson's popularity to reach people with the Three Angel's Messages. I have already been doing that very successfully and have shared a few ideas on this thread.

Next year there will be signs in the yards promoting various presidential candidates. That will help give us an idea of who favors Ben Carson. As long as  he remains popular and as long as he still professes to believe the 3 Angel's Messages we can methodically lead people to the truth and to our publications while working door to door and elsewhere.

For instance :  Do you know what Dr. Carson believes is coming ?  Do you know how this is already being fulfilled ?  While Dr. Carson is compromising the Sabbath and may well pull in with the ecumenical Sunday law movement as of yet he still professes the 3AM and we can use that. As some people almost worship this man it will put a good flavor on a message that may seem very different  and foreign to them. If we set up an approach in the proper order and flow with the people where we can our literature may appear very interesting and appealing when before there was not as easy a way in the past to break ground and make the literature inviting.

In contemplating your suggestion, Col, I think that this should only be undertaken after much prayer.  For one thing, we don't know for sure what Dr. Carson believes, so we can't suppose that we know.  I guess one could ask if they know what Dr. Carson's church believes.

I read the following today, and we really need to be careful not to bring trouble upon ourselves.  Not that we shouldn't be bold, but prayerfully consider what God wants us to do and not go ahead of Him.  He will never fail!

Quote
What should be our present attitude and conduct as we anticipate trouble ahead?

a. ''Over and over the message has been given to me that we are not to say one word, not to publish one sentence, especially by way of personalities, unless positively essential in vindicating the truth, that will stir up our enemies against us and arouse their passions to a white heat. Our work will soon be closed up, and soon the time of trouble, such as never was, will come upon us, of which we have but little idea.." 9T 241.
b. "Let everyone bear in mind that we are in no case to invite persecution. He are not to use harsh and cutting words. Keep them out of every article written, drop them out of every address given. Let the word of God do the cutting, the rebuking; let finite men hide and abide in Jesus Christ...
"There is to be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.," 9T 244.
c. The time is right upon us when persecution will come to those who proclaim the truth. The outlook is not flattering; but, notwithstanding this, let us not give up our efforts to save those ready to perish, for whose ransom the Prince of heaven offered up His precious life. When one means fails, try another.  Our efforts must not be dead and lifeless. As long as life is spared, let us work for God.." 9T 227.

From "The Crisis Ahead" Compilation by Robert W. Olson:  http://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b15903710.pdf (ftp://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/digitized/documents/b15903710.pdf)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on September 02, 2015, 07:39:48 AM

 By the way, I had to schedule 4 appointments for a time span of less than three hours for this evening. That is jammed considering travel time to get to each one and the fact that my demos typically take around an hour and often longer. It is probable  that 1 of the 4 will either fall through or end up being short so it will probably work out. I don't like to schedule them that close however as it adds pressure to rush. Keep me/my work in your prayers.

Just prayed for your safety and effectiveness!  Let us know how it goes!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 02, 2015, 07:45:00 AM
 
Vicky;

 I am not assuming what Ben Carson believes but as with other aspects of his beliefs I am coming directly off of his own words. He said during a recorded interview at Avondale that he believes a NSL is coming howbeit he hopes it does not come while he is around.  I do not go into detail as to the specific aspects of his beliefs as this is not necessary and to be frank there is reason to think that he may diverge in some areas. At this point BC says he believes a NSL is coming and unless he is not telling the truth I have reason to belief that what he says he believes. That's good enough in terms of ground breaking toward a correct prophetic understanding added to current events that validate what is coming.

Thanks for the prayers.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 03, 2015, 07:18:12 AM

Was a tough night last night canvassing. The people were friendly but it was like water off a ducks back. Some days are like that and the city that I worked is a particularly difficult one anyway. Prayers were answered however in that opportunities were given and safety was granted.  This afternoon and evening will be better. Thanks, again.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: GraceVessel on September 03, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
"Do you know what Dr. Carson believes is coming ?  Do you know how this is already being fulfilled ?  While Dr. Carson is compromising the Sabbath and may well pull in with the ecumenical Sunday law movement as of yet he still professes the 3AM and we can use that. As some people almost worship this man it will put a good flavor on a message that may seem very different  and foreign to them" - Quote CP.

Are you so brazen to assign motives and discuss his "breaking the Sabbath" in your declaration and use his "ineffectiveness" to benefit and ride his "coat tails of popular interest"... all this to bring people to the "truth" -- your version... are you really saying that?

If so, it's at the very least presumptive.. and at the most deleterious.  Are you sure the lens you are viewing others with is totally without blemish and foresight?  Until the judgment, all things, and all motives and context are not a "known commodity". 

Do I have concerns about what people in leadership say, yes.  Do I draw and quarter them no, I have drawn a lot of insight to posts you have made in the past regarding commitment to truth, following the truth as your know it... etc. 

To be totally blunt, other people have "differing opinion's" .. not all of the opinions that "others have" are in the wrong, to not admit that fact intonates that you have no compassion, and/or sense of understanding where the person is coming from.  (that's just how it appears -- and I could be wrong in reading and interpreting your posts).

Based on your earlier posts, you give an SDA no quarter because they should already "know the truth" as your see it.. while simpletons that aren't "informed with the truth yet" are given gracious treatment?  Why the double standard?

Do I agree with EVERYTHING everyone else says... no but most of the people I've conversed with on this board appear (based on their posts and intonation) to be Christlike and have a deep concern about the spiritual and differing backgrounds and viewpoints held by all.  Do you really think you are the arbiter of truth for this board, and for the SDA church? If so, what gives you this qualification?

I don't know your background, so my "partial understanding about where you are coming" from is well... partial, therefore for me to come to any concrete conclusions without trying to understand "where you are coming from" would be premature before making a final decree about someone's "saved state".

Just because I don't agree with your posting method doesn't mean you are not a Christian.  We approach and communicate in different methodologies...  why can't you allow a person to have the opportunity to "grow into making the correct decision?"

These are honest questions, and I ask them with sincere candor.

with kind regards,

Gracevessel
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 04, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
GV;

I have never assigned motives regarding Ben Carson.  I am stating facts that he himself has verbalized. If I were to assign motives, as you say, I would  assign Ben Carson's motives as good. However, we are talking about facts of behavior and statements not motives.

Would I ride on the shirt tail of Dr. Carson's popularity to reach people with the truth? Yes,  absolutely I would, every time. Just like I will state to a Catholic that the Bible Stories are in the Vatican library and are recommended by the Catholic dioceses in an effort to place life and death truth in their hands. I make no apologizes for using truth to reach people with more truth. We are told to come as close to people as we can without compromising.

Regarding Ben Carson growing into the truth I certainly have not judged him lost. I do believe however that he is deceived at this point perhaps as a result of so closely allying him self with those in Babylon and her schools. Doctors and nurses are vulnerable to working on the Sabbath when they ought not because of their profession. It is easy to keeping sliding down the slippery slope. After while many things are done on the Sabbath that are anything but essential.

The Sabbath is not a minor matter to a faithful SDA. You keep speaking about those who do not perfectly meet the standard as though we are talking about whether they eat organic food or not or whether they exercise like they ought. When a lifelong SDA leader is "substituting" Sunday for the Sabbath and working at Fox News on the Sabbath this is not  simply a failure to cross a T or dot an i.

Almost 200 SOP quotes against becoming political have been countered with one quote that some feel is a green light for entering into hard press politics. Any consistent Bible student and SOP student realizes that it is not responsible study to use what appears like the exception to make the rule. If we were to examine that one SOP quote I think we will find that it is not even talking about holding a political office. Politics are not even mentioned in that one quote. I am ready for the study on that one quote if others would like.

However, I would prefer to do that on its own thread as this one is about witnessing with our books.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on September 04, 2015, 03:26:38 PM
Cp. I really don't know what to say to you. I notice you have been pointing to your literature evangelist work lately. I don't doubt that you do God's work in the field. You are in a sense, a professional communicator. As a pro, I assume you understand that when you do not get a positive response from your approach, that it is your responsibility, not the other person, so you likely either change your approach or walk away.
I don't see you doing that here. You blame the other person and try to justify yourself, which only makes things worse. People have a right to expect that they can engage in discussions of topics--even controversial topics-- on a Christian forum, without the risk of being wounded by "friendly fire."

It reminds me of a young man I once knew who set out to sell Adventist books and magazines door to door. I was told by the woman who accompanied him that when people declined to buy from him he became angry and argued with them, much to the extreme embarrassment of the woman with him. If I recall correctly, that was his first and last day in the field.

Your obsessive campaign against Ben Carson is particularly troubling. I don't necessarily think he should be president, and if he is nominated, it will truly be a miracle, but I have no doubt that it is the hand of God that has placed him where he is in this presidential campaign.

Bashing a prominent, highly respected fellow Adventist on a public Adventist discussion form is well pleasing to the enemy, and is probably being closely followed by some who hate our church.

 I am reminded of this verse:
(4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea he shall be holden up for God is able to make him stand (Romans 14:4).

Try to listen to what is being said to you. I will pm you later.

Larry.



Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 04, 2015, 04:11:42 PM


I began discussion on this thread regarding how we can use the popularity of Ben Carson to spread the gospel.
 Once again. I did not post here to debate Ben Carson but others have.



Ok, I am walking away and posting as is customary here, about literature work.  Incidentally, I deleted what seems to offend from my post #417.  I don't want to debate politics on this thread.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on September 04, 2015, 04:46:20 PM
Larry,  CP as an LE, is just as much an anointed SDA Pastor / Evangelist, as Pastor OFfill's position, CP has said that Ben Carson gave a political speech on Sabbath.

Pastor Hal Meyer is commenting with the same slant upon such behaviour by an SDA who was raised to know better .

  http://ktfnews.com/ben-carson-gives-political-speech-on-sabbath/   (http://ktfnews.com/ben-carson-gives-political-speech-on-sabbath/)

Doug Batchelor on facebook, in the comments, some one is asking why Ben Carson is book signing on Sabbath. With 13 replies.

   https://www.facebook.com/dougbatchelor/photos/a.433566580060656.1073741830.431672620250052/686042181479760/    (https://www.facebook.com/dougbatchelor/photos/a.433566580060656.1073741830.431672620250052/686042181479760/)

Jesus said this : Matthew 7:15 ¶  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

The General Conference according to this link begged Dr Carson NOT to run for president.      http://barelyadventist.com/general-conference-begs-ben-carson-not-to-run-for-president/   (http://barelyadventist.com/general-conference-begs-ben-carson-not-to-run-for-president/)

All this talk of politics on an SDA Forum, where is the prayer, where is the dispassionate looking at the evidence of SOP & politics & SDA's, and the example of Jesus, and declarations of Scripture.  Power grabbing by humans got sin brought into the human species, is it possible that the ivory pedestal of SDA politics is tarnished even this early in the game ?

Get off of CP's case - he is merely voicing concerns shared by many SDA's - SDA's who have a right to have their questions and concerns answered.

If they are not honestly answered those questions will merely fester in silence, God did not go medieval  on honest questions.  He answered honest questions with evidence and honest answers.       

One of the serious weaknesses of this forum is the dearth of moderators, there needs to be a buffer between Adm's & posters.  Moderators are used in other forums. 

CP - moderate your rhetoric.    Do not inflame people over politics, SDA's are not called to that battle.   You have the ability to recognize tact, use it.   Let no one say of you that you war  as the carnal do, your calling is higher than that.

This topic is silent messengers > not politics >  as far as God's work goes > silence on politics in general is golden.

CP please stop responding, and resume posting about LE work, Satan is baiting you by using political attachments and preferences and strengthening polarizations to get you to keep responding.   Your calling is above that, Christ instituted NO social reforms and refused to get involved in politics AT ALL .

Many SDA's have growing concerns as this prominent SDA displays weaknesses that ought not be there for one in his position in the goldfish bowl famous for chewing up and corrupting any who have cracks in their armour.  The oval office seems to do bad things over time to all who sit there.

If Ben Carson goes to the oval office, pray he is an Hezekiah and not a Jeroboam.   If he feels he must do the work of Esther regarding the NSL, it is because we the SDA people in NAD are not ready for such.  But the populace will bend politicians to their will, I am not sure one man, even if president can stop that unless God strengthens that man's hand.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on September 04, 2015, 05:05:36 PM
  The General Conference according to this link begged Dr Carson NOT to run for president.      http://barelyadventist.com/general-conference-begs-ben-carson-not-to-run-for-president/   (http://barelyadventist.com/general-conference-begs-ben-carson-not-to-run-for-president/) 

Ed, forgive me, but I need to remind everyone that BarelyAdventist is a satire and humor website, so I sincerely doubt the GC begged Dr. Carson not to run. 

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Larry Lyons on September 04, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
Ed, it would be better if you stayed out of this. Cp does not need you to defend him. He is perfectly capable of taking care of himself. This is not just about Ben Carson. You are making things worse.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 06, 2015, 07:23:42 AM

I was speaking with Ron Goss the other day as I have put out many thousands of his Project Restore publications as free literature. He is a former police officer and when he joined the church and was preaching around the country he was known as the pistol packing preacher. He has long since changed that behavior. He sent me one of his sermons on CD entitled "Printed Prophet". This of course is referring to the printed page. His goal many years ago when he converted to the SDA church was to have printed and placed, one publication for every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth. That was 6.4 billion publications. By God's grace 6 billion have not been printed and scattered. His message on CD is a very powerful presentation. He shares experiences of people who have changed lives because of one of those publications.

He was firm when he said that when one of our people go on a Caribbean luxury cruise how many Great Controversies or how many Project Restore publications that would print. He added this very sobering comment. When we tell people that Jesus is coming very soon and then spend thousands to go on a cruise ship with drinking and dancing are we telling them that we really do not believe what we say ?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 09, 2015, 09:25:32 AM
 
   Not feeling well again today but carrying the case anyway this afternoon and evening. Last evening I canvassed again a couple that I visited two weeks ago. I shared with them a very lengthy presentation on our spiritual books and prophecy. They wished to talk about and see how finances were after the wife had surgery in a few days. They were also interested in the health books and asked me to come back last night. I presented the health books last night. While they want to purchase the health books they first wanted to buy the spiritual books. They purchased the Bible Stories w the Great Controversy and I sweetened the package with a free Natural Remedies book.

    On my mind was another family. I had an appointment a couple of weeks ago with the wealthy Catholic couple living in the country. When I arrived two weeks ago they were not home.  The address was only about 10 miles away so I swung over last night to see if I could connect. Sure enough they were home and three of the five children were riding trikes and other like vehicles in the large circular drive.  The wife met me and I explained that I was there previously. She said that it was her father's birthday and that was why they missed the appointment. We sat at a patio table while the bugs had lunch on us.  :-P

   The mother said that she was disappointed that she knows so little about the Bible as I showed her the Bible Story books. After awhile her husband approached and began flipping through the books. Things were looking positive and I was certain that money was not an issue. Since the visit was impromptu and they were going to eat soon I did not try the lengthy canvass that might permit me to place several books in their home. The husband asked, "what's your bottom dollar tonight?"  I replied that I could not drop the price but that I would add on free The Desire of Ages to the Bible Stories and Great Controversy. Then he walked away to tend to some things in the shed. The mother said to one of her children, " look here, we can read these tonight."  I got out the pad and wrote up the order, as she wrote out a check in full. I ended with a prayer and a couple of free gifts. I will check back  before Christmas and see about adding on the rest of the SOP and sets.

 It was 7:40 p.m.  and I had time to dash to another few homes. I was not able to get in another canvass but was able to set up an appointment for Monday. It was only 2 1/2 hours of work but 27 volumes of books were sold as well as free literature placed. Some days are like that.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 11, 2015, 06:45:45 AM
Last night I stopped by and visited Mike. He is about 40 years old. He, his wife and children, and inlaws are keeping the Sabbath after a fashion after they watched Doug Bachelor on tv. Being confinement meat producers they are working through, struggling with the health message. They are making a little progress but it is coming very slow. They have purchased books from me on three occasions and a couple of weeks ago purchased a copy of Natural Remedies. We have a good relationship and I tread lightly on the health message with them relative to dead flesh. They seem to be largely on board with the rest of the message however their understanding is somewhat limited. One of the family has purchased some of the Conflict of that Ages books at good will and they have purchased from me Bible Readings and several copies of the Great Controversy.

Mike and I have a unique relationship. He always has questions. Last night we both made a most interesting discovery. Mike asked where I grew up. When I told him he said that he was adopted but his birth mother was from that town about 80 miles away. When he mentioned her maiden name I replied that I knew a family by that name in fact my best friend and classmate in school was married to a girl with that maiden name. When he told me the name of his birth mother I said that I know a lady by that name and in fact in my heathen days used to run around with she and her siblings constantly. Since I moved out of state and became SDA I had lost touch with them and have not seen his mother for almost 40 years. He showed me pictures and I could see a distinct likeness between his facial features and that of his mother. Mike and his wife are trying to witness about Christ to his birth mother. she grew up in the Catholic church and is making baby steps toward a walk with God.  Her father had died when she was a baby leavening her mother to raise 8 children alone.

      It was amazing for both of us to make this discovery. I suppose one would have to experience this personally in order to fully appreciate the providence involved.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 11, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
Amazing...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 12, 2015, 07:54:00 PM

This work will finish on opposite ends of the spectrum. On one hand God's people will give testimony in trials and such, as shown on national television / internet and on the other hand the work will move door to door grass roots involving literature and medical missionary work. We still have a brief grace period in which there is relatively little backlash from our work. This will change soon and the work which we failed to do previously will need to be done under the most difficult circumstances.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 12, 2015, 08:02:19 PM

This work will finish on opposite ends of the spectrum. On one hand God's people will give testimony in trials and such, as shown on national television / internet and on the other hand the work will move door to door grass roots involving literature and medical missionary work. We still have a brief grace period in which there is relatively little backlash from our work. This will change soon and the work which we failed to do previously will need to be done under the most difficult circumstances.
sounds like this is right out of SOP
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 06:15:23 AM

This work will finish on opposite ends of the spectrum. On one hand God's people will give testimony in trials and such, as shown on national television / internet and on the other hand the work will move door to door grass roots involving literature and medical missionary work. We still have a brief grace period in which there is relatively little backlash from our work. This will change soon and the work which we failed to do previously will need to be done under the most difficult circumstances.
sounds like this is right out of SOP

I suppose when the SOP is second nature all that we say is a reflection.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 06:40:54 AM

Friday my wife said that our son's suit was too small so she went down in the basement where our overflow clothing hangs. She came up with an old but very nice, black suit coat of mine. In the pocket were fair cards from a literature booth dated 2001. We said "wow" they go back to the fall of 2001, that's when 911 happened." I was out canvassing that day and remember it well. Then it dawned on us that Friday was the 14th anniversary of 911. My wife said, " that's creepy."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Raven on September 13, 2015, 06:58:12 AM

Friday my wife said that our son's suit was too small so she went down in the basement where our overflow clothing hangs.

Praise the Lord that you have "overflow clothing."  No all are so blessed.  :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 07:29:52 AM
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab175/darya12/IMG_0191.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/darya12/media/IMG_0191.jpg.html)
You are out canvassing in the country and come upon this sign. What would you do ? click  arrow to the right to center picture.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 07:31:46 AM

Friday my wife said that our son's suit was too small so she went down in the basement where our overflow clothing hangs.

Praise the Lord that you have "overflow clothing."  No all are so blessed.  :-)

That's what happens when you never throw anything away. :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 13, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
the sign is to scare weak ones away...  sometimes God will open the door of opportunity anyway in spite of the sign...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 08:48:35 PM
 Was looking for an address this afternoon and it was hard to read the house numbers along the street. I was close but could not pinpoint the exact house. While driving along slowly I passed a young lady mowing the lawn out near the curb as her husband was weed eating. She smiled at me very pleasantly. I was impressed that this might be a sign that I should attempt to canvass them while noticing that the house I was particularly looking for was the next house down. When knocking on the door and finding  no one home I decided to approach the young couple doing lawn work. I explained why I was trying to connect with their neighbors and asked if they were familiar with the Bible stories. They were and the young mother said she remembers reading the book in the doctors office. They said they were open to taking a look at the books. Both are military and students and they have a four year old daughter. He is Catholic and she Lutheran. They were very responsive but things were tight for them financially.  They purchased two Bible story magabooks and a Great Controversy magabook. The next move was pretty bold but I thought the husband would respond ok so I read to them the quote by the Vatican advisor how the pope is coming in about 2 weeks to challenge the "American Idea" of God given rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence. The husband replied, " I don't agree with that."  I was most happy with the visit.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 13, 2015, 08:58:07 PM

After driving half the day and finding no one home I stopped at a house and was invited in. The drawing card from the Sport's Show was 6 months old. As I began to canvass mother I could barely make out the figure of a man in the other room sitting in the dark on the sofa. I asked, " is this the boss?"  :-D   The father chuckled and replied, "yes, I'm the boss." He came over and sat down. Though I was not sure at first how he would respond he responded very positively during the canvass. They have five children from 4 to 13. About mid way through the canvass their 13 year old girl came and sat down with us. She was very interested as well as some very serious topics were under discussion such as spiritualism. Things were looking very good. The Catholic couple enthusiastically purchased the Bible Stories and Great Controversy. The husband  brought up that he has been trying to quit smoking but has not been successful.  I added on a Natural Remedies health book at cost and offered prayer while praying for, among other things, the success of father in his effort to stop smoking. 275 miles of driving, and not finding many home on this beautiful fall like day but there were however three demos and books were sold in two homes.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 14, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
the sign is to scare weak ones away...  sometimes God will open the door of opportunity anyway in spite of the sign...
once we saw a sign in the door ... no solicitors...  as we were walking down the sidewalk a car pulled up in the driveway... we went over and talked with them and they were responsive..  when asked about the sign?  they said it was put there by the previous owners...  LOL
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 14, 2015, 12:43:50 PM
the sign is to scare weak ones away...  sometimes God will open the door of opportunity anyway in spite of the sign...
once we saw a sign in the door ... no solicitors...  as we were walking down the sidewalk a car pulled up in the driveway... we went over and talked with them and they were responsive..  when asked about the sign?  they said it was put there by the previous owners...  LOL

Very often those signs mean that they are an easy target and they know that. I never let signs like that turn me back. If they say, "can't you read the sign" (and that's not very often)  I reply that I have a gift for them.

That's like them saying, " do I have to make a decision today?"  When they ask that you've got them. They are landed and are simply asking you for permission to get off the hook. Do not give them that liberty. If you do, they will wait for an eternity.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 16, 2015, 01:37:11 PM
great answer... "have a gift for you" 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 20, 2015, 07:23:35 PM
The Lord placed 31 volumes of our books in 4 homes today. That's books sold. Then there were 11 free books given away and 2 more left in the gas station. It's always nice when one can start off the week with one's feet running. :-D It's like the flame is lit for the whole rest of the week.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 20, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
The Lord placed 31 volumes of our books in 4 homes today. That's books sold. Then there were 11 free books given away and 2 more left in the gas station. It's always nice when one can start off the week with one's feet running. :-D It's like the flame is lit for the whole rest of the week.
that's wonderful...
just don't celebrate too much as Satan has a trap just waiting for you around the bend...
this has been my experience anyway
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 21, 2015, 06:19:39 AM
The Lord placed 31 volumes of our books in 4 homes today. That's books sold. Then there were 11 free books given away and 2 more left in the gas station. It's always nice when one can start off the week with one's feet running. :-D It's like the flame is lit for the whole rest of the week.
that's wonderful...
just don't celebrate too much as Satan has a trap just waiting for you around the bend...
this has been my experience anyway

I take it in stride just like I do things like dog bites and people bites. The way I celebrate is to lean more into the yoke.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on September 22, 2015, 07:11:11 AM
The Review has been closed down and Pacific Press has not published the "My Bible Friends" sets for some time. Apparently they are trying to get rid of the inferior sets that the Review published with a glued in binding and tin paper. That's pretty sad. I will not carry them because they fall to pieces. The press tried to save a nickel many thousands of $$ when they did that with the Bible and Bedtimes Stories. Some of the sets were sold and the rest were trashed. These glued MBF  sets should be put in the dumpster as well and new sets printed with the thick paper and stitched in bindings like those of the past. That set is the best set we have and it has been dropped. We need a self supporting publisher to pick that up.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on September 22, 2015, 10:36:38 PM
always liked my bible friends...  still find a few old ones around and kids love them...
what a shame
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 07, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Knocked on the door of Chance and Tamara noticing all the cigarette butts in the yard. Chance said that the house was a mess and hesitated to let me in. I replied as usual, " hey, I'm not a house inspector!"  :-D
He hesitantly allowed me in but my nose (whew! ) soon gave me words to speak, " Well, perhaps it would be better out on the front deck." Chance is a nice looking young man of about 30 years old. His wife came out with an alcoholic beverage in her hand as Chance told me that he is a bullfighter. He keeps the audience engaged at the rodeo when things slow down for instance when a rider is down and hurt. He rubbed his side as he said last week a bull swung around and caught him in the chest with a horn. I talked about the most serious things  and they both responded well as they purchased the Bible Stories and the Great Controversy. I gave them literature on health  and offered prayer. Chance followed me to my vehicle and received the books.
They have a toddler son and a child on the way. We are told that a home is never the same after we pray there.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 08, 2015, 11:41:32 AM

They are three families closely related. They were watching TV one day/night and came across Amazing Facts. They now observe the Sabbath. However, their occupation is meat production and I think that has held them back from joining the church. I have sold them books three times and have not treaded too heavily on the meat thing not wanting to sever our ties and ruin our relationship. I have spoken but since they think so highly of Doug Bachelor I have let them keep coming into contact with our health message through them meanwhile placing our books in their home. There has been another amazing providential thing happen between us but its a bit complicated so I will not go into it here.

One of the family recently purchased from me a Natural Remedies health book. A few days letter we received notice from the bank and the check came back" insufficient funds." MY thoughts were, " these are the last people I would want this to happen to as it could easily strain our relationship. I wrote the family a letter and shared that my bank charged me an extra fee because of the bad check and to please send payment with bank fee. I tried to contact them a couple of other times but there was no reply a few weeks later. Today I received a letter from them in the mail. They were sorry for the mistake and God has put it upon their heart to send a check for the amount of the book, my bank fee, and an extra $200.00 dollars to help me along in my work. Needless to say I had a range of emotions, all positive.  Patiently trusting  God is always the best way.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 09, 2015, 10:10:30 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 13, 2015, 07:56:08 PM
    Tonight the address took me to a low income housing complex in the city. I parked in the middle of the parking lot. There were no cars around me except for a new white Honda Accord with a nice looking lady in her thirties sitting in her car. My thought as I passed the car was to ask her how she liked her Honda, if she opened the door. However she did not. I found the apartment I was seeking and a grandmother opened the door. She was busy at the time so we set up an appointment for later in the week. I headed back to my vehicle. As I walked past the white Honda the lady opened her door so I asked, " how do you like your Honda ?" She replied with bubbly enthusiasm , "I love it !" We talked about cars and so on and then I asked her if she has children. She has a nine and ten year old. I explained that her neighbor signed up for my drawing at the fair and I was there to show her the Bible stories. I showed her a picture of the books and she was enthused so I said, " I have a few minutes. If you would like to see the books I have a couple of gifts for you."" Sure," she replied but I only have fifteen minutes as I have to go pick up my children. They are staying with their father."

      I followed her to her apartment and noticed she had a lot of tattoos. She was receptive through my rapid fire canvass and asked what she had to do to get the books. She said that she is ready for some changes in her life. She was married to a police officer in town and is now divorced. She gave me part of the down payment for the 12 vol. library and we set up a time the following week for me to pick up the remainder of the down payment. I left the Bible Stories and Great Controversy with her. I said that it was no accident that we met like that in the parking lot. I pray everyday that God leads me to those who are receptive. PJ said that she too believes that this was the leading of God. She said," for some reason I did not feel like getting out of my car." If she had gotten out earlier she would have been in her apartment when I arrived and we would not have connected. I left her some free lit and she followed me out to my vehicle to get the books. I offered prayer as we stood beside her car.

If we are watching and willing to reach out, the Lord will link us up with those who are receptive.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 14, 2015, 09:23:21 AM
atheists call it coincidence

God's servants call it providence
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 16, 2015, 06:17:01 AM

Last night I did some evening shopping at Walmart for groceries. The checker was a chatty young lady in her 20s.  She asked, "do you have any big plans for the weekend?"   "Nothing in particular," was my reply. "You aren't going to go visit a haunted house or something like that ?", she continued. " Halloween was on her mind.   I answered, "no, why should I go celebrate death when I can celebrate life?"  "Hmmm", was her reaction, " you don't believe in ghosts?", she continued.  "Yah, I believe in ghosts, it's just that the Bible says that they are not dead people that got lost between here and somewhere else. They are fallen angel's, demons. The Bible says that the dead have nothing to do with people here on earth."  " Hmmm, I guess I learned something," was her reply, " have a good one."   
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 16, 2015, 06:50:10 AM
    What's Behind Door Number 11 ?

I had three fair booth drawing cards with addresses in the same low income housing complex. They were in buildings D, E, and F.

I went into D but could not find a door with the number on the card. I walked over to building F where a young man was entering. He said that there is no number 17 in any of the buildings. The person must have given me a false number.

I went into the building ( F) and  located the door with corresponding number to the card. A young, single mother ( Catholic) opened the door and invited me in after I held up the card and refreshed her memory about her having stopped by the booth with the Bible Story books, that you see in the doctor's offices, where I was handing out the balloon swords. I said that I have gifts and some information. She invited me in. She has a 3 year old boy. She responded well and was interested in the Bible Story Library but I knew monthly payments would be a very tight fit for her and she could only make a small down payment so I recommended that she invest instead in 4 magabooks, three for children as well as a Desire of Ages. She purchased the books. I offered prayer and left free literature on health, the Sabbath, and prophecy.

     Walked across the street and looked again at the card number for building D. Say, that number 17 just might be number 11 interrupted by the tail of the letter g written above it. Yes, that looks probable and there is a door number 11 in the building. I knocked on the door. No one home. Went over to building  E and canvassed the person there. Interested but no $. Gave them free lit. and offered prayer.

   Returned to building D and knocked on door # 11. Ah ha. They are home. I hear someone coming. The young mother invited me in. Her house was a mess. She said that she just got home and therefore the mess, however, I could tell that this was how the house always is. The young mother is going to school full time to be a social worker for under privileged children. Sorry, but my first thought was, with a house like this your two boys are underprivileged. I reminded myself that I was there to help the family not condemn them.

    Diane has two boys and is a former Catholic and attends a non denominational church. She responded well during the canvass as we talked about some serious things like the increasing violence, shootings, same sex marriage and such. We talked a bit about Catholicism and its current prophetic role in world events. In her own way  she has some conservative ways about her considering her very limited knowledge of the prophetic picture.  She purchased 5 magabooks, 3 children's books as well as the Great Controversy and Pathways  to Health and Happiness ( Ministry of Healing). Left her several free publications and offered a prayer. She like the other mother shook my hand and expressed her deep appreciation for the visit and the books. These mothers have never had a visit like that, confirming them, encouraging them, and praying for them.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 16, 2015, 03:21:42 PM
I've had similar visits in those low income run down places...often times the person that we were looking for had moved out and we ended up talking to the current resident.  Only God knows if these people ever came to the truth/Lord.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 16, 2015, 04:52:24 PM
I've had similar visits in those low income run down places...often times the person that we were looking for had moved out and we ended up talking to the current resident.  Only God knows if these people ever came to the truth/Lord.

Yes, people in those complexes tend to be transitory. That is the reason that many are low income to begin with.  What I like about working with people like that is they tend to be down to earth, humble, and easy to talk to. Nothing is more frustrating that working with people who make three figures and yet say they cannot afford a few, magabooks for their children. That's about like Aaron saying that he threw gold in the fire and out came a calf.

    I remember an Le years ago canvassing a wealthy lady with crystal chandeliers.  She said, " I can't afford them." The Le replied, "lady tell me that you will not read them,... tell me that you do not want them,... tell me anything... but don't tell me that you can't afford them !"  She purchased the books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on October 17, 2015, 06:15:12 AM
That was a good retort to that woman!

I've been told that many of the large, beautiful homes we pass are empty of furniture inside.  Some people spend all their money on the outward show, but don't have anything to sit on! 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 17, 2015, 06:58:20 PM
That was a good retort to that woman!

I've been told that many of the large, beautiful homes we pass are empty of furniture inside.  Some people spend all their money on the outward show, but don't have anything to sit on!

That's probably true in some places V. but I have not seen it. Perhaps some of them are second and third homes.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 20, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
While I prefer to show the good and grand side of the canvassing work it is important to show the other side sometimes.

I  drove around finding addresses on the fair both cards and knocked on the door of perhaps 20 homes with not a single person home. Perhaps it is the very nice weather. The one home where the door was answered the mother said that she had a few minutes to visit but only a few as she had two daycare kids and their parents would be coming in 15  minutes. I suggested that it might be better if instead I returned in 30 minutes as she would not have her hands full then. The mother appeared very cheerful and said that would be fine.

  I drove several blocks away and sat and sorted cards and such passing the time. I returned on schedule and rang the door bell. No answer. I waited a bit and rang it again. No answer but I could hear a child inside. I thought perhaps the lady was on the phone, in the bathroom, or getting a child ready to go home with a parent. I walked around the side of the house to see if perhaps the lady was in the back yard with her own children. No one there.
   
    When I returned to the front of the house another lady approached me from a side street and said that I was not welcome there and should leave as the lady in side said she feels harassed.

I was a bit taken back and said "harassed"? " Then why did the lady say it was ok to come back in 30 minutes? "Don't you think the way to handle this would have been to say "no" at the onset ?"   The lady replied,  "probably."

 At another place in a rough part of the city  I noticed three rough looking characters scoping me out as I was looking at the building wondering which apartment was apartment  number 3. I decided to hide my GPS and take my phone with me. However, the person was not home so my vehicle was within my view all the time. The night before I heard three bangs that sounded like gunfire. I noticed tonight that what seems like in a matter of months the Caucasian city has turned into what appears like a minority city with many walking around doing nothing. Things are changing fast.

No demos tonight and almost no one home with 89 miles of driving. Sometimes things seem to click and other times a person wonders what he's doing out there spinning his wheels. However, there is a bright side. I was not shot; was not bitten by a dog; no one called the police on me, and I was able to leave a publication in a public restroom.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 20, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
yes, those times are rough... we never know what is just around the corner... times likes these make us really appreciate when things go really well...  it will never be easy in these times... 
praying for your protection
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 22, 2015, 07:28:17 PM
I went out today at 8:30 a.m. to advertise medical clinics. This has resulted in a minimal return as so many books are stolen or taken home by office people and the LE in most areas of the country has to purchase the display books at $5.00 each. Then when the cost of fuel and mileage is added in it is often not worth it in the north country. So few cards come in as opposed to down in the southern US where an LE may get 40 cards back a week. The LEs in most of the US get no help from the church or the publishers when it comes to the canvassing work.

   Anyway, today my wife was able to stay home to do the home schooling so I could take the entire day to pound the pavement. While placing books and brochures in a clinic one of the office ladies approached me and asked how she could get the books and how much they cost ? Well, its not easy to sell a set of books for several hundred dollars off the cuff while standing in a clinic so I answered and added that we have soft covered books as well (magabooks) that are priced as low as $10. She had an interest for  two families of grandchildren but the setting was not optimal for selling the higher priced hardcover mylar sets. I went to my vehicle and returned with my case and gave her a short 10 minute canvass on the magabooks. She purchased 10 books, 8 children's books and a Desire of Ages and Great Controversy, and wrote out a check. I have her a Steps to Christ and a paperback on health. She was so happy. Me too! That one unusual encounter not only placed books but it paid for my fuel and mileage for the day.

      I continued to hit the clinics as fast as I could and then while heading to a larger town passed through a little one horse town with one clinic. I entered the chiropractic clinic and asked the man sitting behind the counter if he was the doctor. He replied that he was and did not sound the least bit friendly. With a Bible story book in my hand I explained that I was servicing the Bible Stories in the clinics. He snapped back that he has a Bible. He pointed to the tan children's Bible story book on the table. He acted  high stressed and kind of read me a riot act and asking who put the books out as he is a "Catholic!" I replied that I used to be one too. I said that the SDA church is the printer of these books and they are in almost every clinic. He said that he did not want to debate the Bible at this particular time but I might be surprised. In other words I might be surprised at how well he knows his Bible. I left but added, please look up in your Bible and you will find that not all the animals entered the ark by twos. The book he has shows them all entering by twos. This is typical of all the other books out there. I should have eased out sooner perhaps. Never have run into a doctor in a clinic like that. Usually the doctor's are very cooperative and friendly.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 22, 2015, 07:37:07 PM
We had a hard time putting the books in some places...
most did not want us to display them up front...
wanted them on the back shelves

 one doctor did not want them at all and was just like your fellow...  we do our best and try and plant the seeds but someday it will all come back to them for how they have squelched opportunities of others.....

we never got one return card after placing some 30 books at medical and doctors offices 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 22, 2015, 08:00:47 PM
   When I arrived at the town of about 15,000 people I stopped at the hospital and parked in the section near the emergency door. I then noticed a sigh saying " emergency parking only." While I was preparing my things to go in a man who looked official immediately headed toward me from the emergency door. I was wondering if he was coming to tell me to leave or just passing by. He stopped at my window. When I rolled it down he asked, "are you a doctor?" Otherwise he was going to chase me out of there. I replied, "no, I'm just here to service the clinics." I guess that sounded pretty official so almost apologetically replied, " oh, well go right in."
I kind of chuckled inside and thought, "well, my father does own the hospital and I am  heir to my Father's things. While I am not proud about it that is kind of my attitude when I service the hospital waiting rooms. I own the ;lace and belong there unless told no. Some of the waiting rooms have books and some do not. I simply place the books wherever it seems appropriate. The staff for the most part never really know if someone has approved the placing of them or not. After the books have been there a while and since they are well known the hospital staff pretty much assume that the books belong there. It is wrong to take books but last time I checked it was not illegal to leave them.  :wink:

      While in another clinic waiting room an elderly  lady perhaps in her 80s was observing me. She said, " I purchased those books 60 years ago. My husband and I used those books for years to teach Sunday School. I lent volume 9 to the church and never got it back. Can I by volume 9?"   I replied, " we used to be able to sell them that way but to tell you the truth I'm not sure if we can do that anymore. I'll look into it." As I sat next to her she filled out the card I handed her with her name, address, and telephone number. When I finished up the advertising the twos , two hospitals were advertised and between 50-60 clinics were serviced as wells as a few Laundromats. Free lit was left in a couple of convenience store bathrooms and Hispanic Bible Story brochures were left on Hispanic church doors.

    After a brief lunch I started to route out drawing cards on the way back toward home.

I had a fair card left over from 2014 and stopped at the rural address. The grandmother was not sure about letting me in the door but after a little chit chat she felt comfortable. None of her family likes to read accept for Annbelle her 10 year old granddaughter that lives with them. She purchased 4 magabooks and wrote out a check. There was 3 children's magabooks and a Great Controversy magabook. As usual I ended with offering prayer and leaving free lit. As I drove out the driveway Annabelle whizzed by me on the four-wheeler and waved like crazy. She was happy about the books.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 22, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
A few more miles and zig zags and in the driveway I pulled. A heavy set lady in her late 30's with tattoos EVERYWHERE welcomes me into her house.  Kind of an unkept place but I've seen much worse.  She was holding her stomach and said that she is due to deliver in December but the doctors say it will happen any time. They already stopped her labor once. I didn't know they could do that but she says they have a drug that stops labor, I suppose if the water is not broke. She says the baby is over 5 pounds so even though he will be pre mature they are not worried. She was acting like she is in labor and says that the clinic checks on her regularly. She has a 7 year old son watching some star wars type program in the other room.

     We talked about many things. When I brought up the topic of spiritualism. She said her mother says that her dead uncle is talking to her in her dreams. Then she said that when she and her sister were children they had a playmate. He was a ghost, a black man dressed in servants clothing. She said that he was nice to them so they were not afraid. Her sister would see him with a gash across his throat but for some reason she said, I never saw that." Well, I told the lady exactly what was happening. She was the type where you could share most anything with her, down to earth, lots of questions, and very trusting. She purchased  a set of Bible Stories and Triumph of God's Love ( Great Controversy). She is making payments but there will be alot of medical bills so we will see how it goes. She assured my that she could make the interest free payments and then pay off the rest at tax time.

    What ended up being the last canvass before arriving home was with an  couple in their 60s. The couple is  interested in history and prophecy and they have a son that is a pastor . It was not hard to sell them the book the Great Controversy illustrated by Vance Ferrell. It is a great book that opens with Steps to Christ, then covers the GC entirely with added history and pictures, then has some very beautiful pictures of Orion and other Nebulas, and lastly it has medical facts on crucifixion. I shared that they would not want to read that part at bedtime. The wife said, " I want that book and our son would like it too." I offered prayer for their friend with terminal cancer. They too were appreciative.

 It was a full day, 50-60 medical clinics serviced and two hospitals, 4 demos and books sold in each one, 150 miles of driving, and then after sharing the experiences with my family as part of our evening worship, there was paperwork followed with an hour of sharing the experiences of the day with my friends.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 22, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
We had a hard time putting the books in some places...
most did not want us to display them up front...
wanted them on the back shelves

 one doctor did not want them at all and was just like your fellow...  we do our best and try and plant the seeds but someday it will all come back to them for how they have squelched opportunities of others.....

we never got one return card after placing some 30 books at medical and doctors offices

I do not ask if I can leave the books. That makes it sound questionable to the office help. I just state after a smile and comment about the weather, " I'm just here to service your office copy of the  Bible Stories." This leaves the assumption that there is already a book there and often there is. Often I can spot the book before even speaking to the receptionist or the doctor. Just head over and start looking as though you expect to find a book. Usually the receptionist says, " oh ok, well thank you, I don't know, or that's fine." If there is not a book there I reply, " you don't seem to have one unless it is in a back room. I'll be happy to leave you one." If they have orders not to accept the books they'll let you know, otherwise the assumption is that this is fine. Sometimes the office help will be busy and not even notice. Then I either service the book they  already have or leave one along with a take one stand of brochures on the counter, table or window ledge. It all depends on how they react. I have had some wonderful conversations with doctors, nurses, and receptionists. Usually they are happy to have the book. Then there is the softcover preview booklets with tear out cards. You can be more generous with them as they are low cost. I leave those in clinics, salons, laundry mats, car dealerships or anywhere where there is a lot of people traffic or a book shelf or coffee table to put them. When books and stands with brochures are placed you have a double opportunity for the people to come in contact with you.

Other than in the deep  south  it takes lot of advertising to get a card back. When I was full time I would service from 300-600 clinics every 3-4 months. However, fairs and trade shows is far more cost effective and  only about 12-15%% of my sales comes from doctors office leads. However, the clinics give us great exposure and therefore credibility. When we used to do bulk mail outs of brochures you could count on getting back about 1- 2 per thousand. Country fairs have been my most cost effective way to hook up with Christians seeking truth. Then trade shows, followed by all other approaches. We used to put drawing boxes displaying a Bedtime story book in grocery stores  and restaurants etc.. and leave them for 3-4 weeks. Some of them produced well especially before a holiday, but it takes a polished canvass of the store manager to get him to go for it as some of these businesses are bombarded with people wanted to put  in free drawings. Even then sometimes your box gets shoved off in a corner or pulled by the district manager. I used to try to place 3-5 of these boxes at a time.

There is certainly a method to it. If you service the book every few months they will get used to you coming around. Sometimes they are not crazy about you leaving a stand with brochures. If you are in close proximity to the receptionist or doctor, I always talk with them, like, " great day out" or "you have a really nice place for books." They are thinking about your comment and don't seem to much notice your leaving the stand. They may toss it but they may do that even if they approve. Some get tossed right away. Some may not get noticed or toss for several days and a few stay in there permanently. 
     I like to leave the Encyclopedia of Foods Display book in Chiropractic clinics. Nice book, lower cost then the Bible Story book and doctors tend to like the book. I always say that "the book goes right along with your program of natural health." 

I seek to be calm, confident, and matter of fact. After all, our heavenly Father owns all of those clinics.  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 23, 2015, 10:42:47 AM
great points... wish I'd known some of this before.....we did place quite a lot over a weeks time but never went back as my partner became a shepherd's rod

helping the poor and needy and sometimes greedy now... :-) but always still sowing seeds of our faith and evangelistic material as much as possible

getting harder and harder these days...
 
the book stores have all left town and been replaced by spirit stores selling all kinds of Satan's wares

a lady I know that sells pumpkins for their income said that they had more stealing this year than ever... getting harder and harder..

this world has sold out to another
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 23, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
great points... wish I'd known some of this before.....we did place quite a lot over a weeks time but never went back as my partner became a shepherd's rod

    If its not an exceedingly long drive you might return with some cards for the pockets of the books and or brochures with take one stands.  If you know you left a book in a clinic just head for the book pile when entering the waiting room. If it is quiet and you are near a receptionist just state that you are there to service the office copy of the Bible Story. Have one in your hand so they may recognize the book. If they say " oh, we already have one of those" I reply, yes, I know. I am hear to check on it. Sometimes they are torn or need to be replaced." The implied agreement is that you lend them the book for their customers to use as long as they are in business and you service it free. If a pocket is torn, rather than take time to finish tearing  out the pocket and replacing the pocket and cards you can just swap books and fix the book in the car.

I hold the "take one stand containing a few  brochures in the same hand under the Bible Story book. This keeps the stand out of sight for the time and keeps your other hand free to rummage through their book pile. I place the stand the last thing and try to do that as discreetly as possible. If I pass a receptionist on the way out I reply with " thank you."   If you are speedy you can hit 50-60 offices in a day  before they close up. I try to do the hospitals at noon or after 5:00 when the clinics are closed.

     I had a display book and a stand in a car dealership waiting room. One of the brochures in the stand was for the Bible Reference. I received the car in the mail. The card took me to an apartment complex. The lady that mailed in the card was not home but as I was leaving a car pulled up to the building with an elderly lady at the wheel. There were a fair number of apartments but I asked her anyway, " you wouldn't happy to be Mr. Jones would you ?" " Yes, I am," she replied. I explained and she invited me to her apartment where she paid cash for the 12 volume Bible Reference Library.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 23, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
Sometimes Newb I go business to business and place just a stand and brochures near the check out machine. The approach is very easy, "Hi, I'm Newbie working with Home Health Education Service. Home Health is a non profit organization battling drug abuse and delinquency. Many business in town are joining us in our efforts by allowing us to place a little stand like this on the counter. You've probably seen these displayed in the doctor's office. Would you like to join us in our efforts?" The typical reply is, " That's all I have to do?" Sure, put it right here."  I spy out a good place for it and suggest that it might be a good place right here." I hold the little box in such a manner as they can not see the Bible Story brochure until I am done with the approach so they do not have a long time to think, "could this be Mormon?"  9 out of 10 places will allow the placement of the stand. If they ask "who is behind this" I reply Pacific Press Publishing Association. If they keep proding I state that Pacific Press is operated by the SDA church. That rarely comes up however. When one blankets the town like that it is not a big deal when you get rejected once in awhile because you will place so many stands.

    To do the same with health brochures, " Hi, I'm Newbie working with Home Health Ed. Service.  HHES is a non profit organization promoting good health in the area. Many business are joining us in our efforts by allowing us to place a little stand like this on the counter," Encyclopedia of Foods." Would you like to join us in our efforts."  Typically they think you are going to ask for money so they think it is just too easy if all they have to do is display the stand.

I had a police officer mail in a Bible Story brochure from a restaurant I placed it in about 30 miles away. Del and his wife purchased from me 3 times as a result of that initial contact. The first  canvass was quite an experience. Del was so excited he stood during the entire canvass. When I brought out a feature in the books he would just reply , "WOW!"   A few minutes later after I emphasized another feature  like the accuracy of the books, he would reply, " WOW!" All in all I believe he purchased in the three visits, the Bible Stories, Bedtime Stories, Videos, and Desire of Ages, Great Controversy, Patriarchs and Prophets, and Bible Readings.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 23, 2015, 02:07:32 PM
wonderful
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 25, 2015, 10:49:41 AM

   There is an SDA couple who asked me to visit and try to canvass their neighbor in the country.  I know that his name is Mike.He is a recluse whom they have only seen him out of the house one time and that was when he was drunk and ran into the ditch near his home. The house is a shack with tall weeds growing around it. This is the type of house that you might see in the news where dead bodies are found or where someone might shoot through the door when someone knocks. I'm not afraid or being melodramatic but that is the appearance. The brother of the SDA (also SDA) was visited by a door to door salesman selling meat. Even though the SDA eats meat he was not interested and sent him to the house of Mike just to cause trouble. The salesman took one look at the place and turned around in the drive and left. I was going to approach Mike last night at the close of the Sabbath but thought it would be best for all involved to stop during broad daylight. I have been contemplating how to approach the man should he open the door. He may not open the door. He may open it and tell me to get lost. He could be drunk or violent and he could be a pussy cat and every receptive. One thing I know is that he is in need and has a lot of problems.
     
I'll go there in about an hour and then head for the city and work. Prayers are appreciated for all concerned.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 25, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
how did it go...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 25, 2015, 06:10:37 PM

Well, kind of like I expected. A machete would have come in handy getting to the door. No one came to the door but the Rotweiler. It has been so long since anyone has seen him it is only supposed that he is alive. I left inside the door some tracts on smoking, addictions, and such as well as a Steps to Christ.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on October 25, 2015, 06:36:22 PM

Well, kind of like I expected. A machete would have come in handy getting to the door. No one came to the door but the Rotweiler. It has been so long since anyone has seen him it is only supposed that he is alive. I left inside the door some tracts on smoking, addictions, and such as well as a Steps to Christ.
wow...glad you are okay... someone has to reach out to him...
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 26, 2015, 07:35:50 AM

We'll have to see if there is some way to personally contact him. He has not been seen for a long time. We do not want to try to force contact yet we know he needs help spiritually. His SDA neighbor will keep an eye out. I wonder if he comes out to get mail ? Surely he lets the dog out. However, that might not be a good time to stop. The dog could be a problem and they tend to add a dimension that complicates things.

We assume that the man is alive however the dog could possibly live a long time even if his own dies. He can drink out of the stool and I will not get into what his food supply would be. Not placid thoughts but it happens.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Carl on October 26, 2015, 08:19:16 AM

Well, kind of like I expected. A machete would have come in handy getting to the door. No one came to the door but the Rotweiler. It has been so long since anyone has seen him it is only supposed that he is alive. I left inside the door some tracts on smoking, addictions, and such as well as a Steps to Christ.

How did you know it was a rottweiler? where you able to look inside his house? are there no lights on in his house at night? the local utility company must know something if he's hooked up for power, water, etc. He must go out for food for himself and dog at sometime. Perhaps it's past time for someone to find out.

Can his house be observed from any distance?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on October 26, 2015, 08:43:29 AM

Well, kind of like I expected. A machete would have come in handy getting to the door. No one came to the door but the Rotweiler. It has been so long since anyone has seen him it is only supposed that he is alive. I left inside the door some tracts on smoking, addictions, and such as well as a Steps to Christ.

How did you know it was a rottweiler? where you able to look inside his house? are there no lights on in his house at night? the local utility company must know something if he's hooked up for power, water, etc. He must go out for food for himself and dog at sometime. Perhaps it's past time for someone to find out.

Can his house be observed from any distance?

I could see the dog through the window but could see little else. The dog is mostly white. I did not want to peer through the window up close like a burglar might. Could get shot. I never really  seriously considered that he might be dead or in serious need until now. This was only brought to my attention the other day when I was asked to canvass him. The house cannot be viewed from a distance (curves and hills). Lights at night ? Don't know but that would be easy to check out. If the lights are off during the day and on at night it would indicate that he is alive and probably if he is ok.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Carl on October 26, 2015, 08:50:38 AM
Perhaps if the tracts you left are gone, it might indicate he's still alive. Yeah, it's a hard call, I'm just imagining if the news came out he was found dead, what a chance might have been missed because no one bothered to find out. I'm sure the local police would check up on a person's welfare, they do it around here.

Then again, if the dog came out, seems police have the tendency to shoot the dog. Perhaps someone could leave him a note to verify his welfare to prevent further "action".
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 01, 2015, 06:49:18 PM
The lead card from the medical office was addressed to the town very nearest me. It was typed in nice and neat. I ran the card and the lady that answered the door was real nice but said that she had not mailed the card in. One of her deranged relatives or ex relatives has been mailing in every card like that for magazines she can find. The lady was nice and apologetic. We talked awhile but she made an excuse that she was too busy to see the books. I left her a free Darkness Before Dawn and moved on. I had another card in town typed out like that with an address in a trailer park so headed to the address. It was a Spanish name. The man met me at the door, a man short in stature with a long black pony tail and mutten chops grayed a bit  around the edges. I explained why I was there and held up the card. He said that his English was not too good but his wife was English speaking. ( green go) He phoned his wife who was shopping near by at Walmart. He handed me the phone and I explained to his wife. She said that she would be home in 15 minutes.

      I waited and talked with her husband complimenting him with, " your English seems pretty good to me." He warmed up to me real good and we talked about his work, his car, his job at the meat packing plant, his eight year old son playing soccer with the children next door, and about everything else I could think to talk about. A friend pulled up and dropped his wife off. She was perhaps 45 and sporting spiky red hair. She was real nice. They both were real  attentative while I canvassed them and got out two English Bibles and a Spanish Bible to look up Genesis 7:2-3. They found the 7 of the clean entering the ark very interesting. They purchased the Bible Story set with the great Controversy illustrated. The husband is Catholic and the wife is Lutheran.

     Interesting that she did not bring this up until the very end but the mother said, " I'm glad you stopped but I did not mail this card in. You see, I have a relative that is mailing in all sorts of cards and putting my name and address on them. "  I replied, " you wouldn't happen to be related to  _____________ would you ?"  She said, " that's my sister." I continued, "well someone mailed in a card in her name too. Well, in your case the joke is on them. They did you a favor didn't they. Now you have a set of Bible Stories in your home. God works in mysterious ways."

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on November 01, 2015, 06:59:04 PM
that's a wild story  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 04, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
 
Stay Out You Varmint !   :-D


It said on the door in big letters " No soliciting"  Of course an LE isn't sure just what that means. The mother dressed in a tank top and tattoos answered the door. She said that she only had a minute as she was cooking supper. That's not a good time to try to canvass someone so I asked if it would be better to stop after supper. She said, " yes, about 7:00 p.m. would be fine.

  When I returned I was invited in. The house was a bit ill furnished but there was a nice big screen TV and a large screen computer in operation. The young husband/father was sitting at the computer. The 5 year old son was scrambling around and grandmother was on the couch.

The canvass went well. They are humble lower middle income people. They warmed up very well and the canvass went well. I knew it would likely be a difficult home to place a goodly amount of hardback books in.

When this became very apparent I dropped down to magabooks. Grandmother said to her son to go out and get her purse from the car. She purchased two children's books for her grandson and a Great Controversy for herself. I brought up the Sabbath when giving the family some free literature, one piece being on the Sabbath. Grandmother said that she knew the Sabbath was not on Sunday but did not know which day it was.
This is true of so many people. They were all happy with their books and none were pressed financially as a result of the purchase.

It was a small package of books that scarcely paid for my fuel for the evening but the GC and other present truth material are in another needy home.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 05, 2015, 10:24:36 AM

               Work of First Importance

     If there is one work more important than another, it is that of getting our publications before the public, thus leading them to search the Scriptures. Missionary work-- introducing our publications into families, conversing, and praying with and for them--is a good work.--The Colporteur Evangelist, p. 80.  {ChS 145.1}
 
     Let every Seventh-day Adventist ask himself, "What can I do to proclaim the third angel's message?" Christ came to this world to give this message to His servant to give to the churches. It is to be proclaimed to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. How are we to give it? The distribution of our literature is one means by which the message is to be proclaimed. Let every believer scatter broadcast tracts and leaflets and books containing the message for this time. Colporteurs are needed who will go forth to circulate our publications everywhere."--Southern Watchman, Jan. 5, 1904.  {ChS 145.2}

Are you a believer, my friend ? Are you scattering broadcast tracts leaflets and books containing the message for this time ?   If not....why not ?  Every time we leave home it is a mission trip. Walmart, the gas station, the restaurant, the doctor's office are all mission fields.  Purchase books and tracts and scatter them like the leaves of autumn. Place them everywhere, in the public restrooms, in the shopping cart, and in the hands of others. Slip a small tract in a Left Behind book in the Christian book store. When the UPS man comes to your house he is your mission field. Some times they will not accept the literature but with practice and a good appeal most will accept your literature. Often we get into too big of a hurry and miss golden opportunities. I cannot tell you how many times I have thought, " man, why didn't I bring a book or tract with me. I could have given to him."  As we are more purposeful as SDA evangelists ( you and me) we will miss fewer and fewer opportunities and souls will be in heaven who would not have been otherwise as a result of our diligence and forethought. The next time you have to run an errand or head for the grocery store consider, " Is this a mission trip ?" When we do that the Lord will under divine providence connect us with a certain soul.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 09, 2015, 09:12:58 PM
 
Double Dutch

 I had two appointments for this evening in a Dutch Reformed area of the country about 40 miles away. When I went looking for my keys this afternoon, no keys. I looked everywhere and considered that my wife must have taken both sets of keys. Bad news as she left for work detail 3 1/2 hours away. I called her and sure enough she had somehow taken both sets of keys. She left her car at the office 30 minutes away and then took a company vehicle to work detail. I did not have another key for my vehicle here at home but was able to rummage up a third key for my wife's car. I got a friend to give me a ride to her office to get her car. After I brought her car home I moved all of my books into her car. Satan was really trying to keep me from my appointments. I hate to try to reschedule appointments as you often lose people. I was determined to make this work.

On route to my first appointment I was deliberating as to whether or not to work the large Sports show again this year 100 miles from home. I was dragging my feet as the booth and materials for the show cost me nearly $1000 and its a lot of driving when running the drawing cards, 100 miles one way, all the driving during the day, and then 100 miles back home. It is very tiring and takes a lot of sales to earn any income I silently laid out the fleece and asked the Lord to give me a substantial sale in the first home if He wants me to work the show again next Spring.

In the first home the grandmother purchased a goodly amount of books for $700. It was multiple sets of children's books along with the Great Controversy. It was a very warm visit and everything clicked with her.

In the next home I had an old Sports Show drawing card from last Spring. The mother has 5 children ages 3-12. They go to Christian school and there is no TV in the home. As is often the case in homes with no TV I was the TV. The children and mother were into the canvass.  Father was away in the city buying hunting gear. Mother purchased the same package of books as was purchased in the first home; same down payment and same payment set up, 10 months same as cash.

In both homes the prospect asked me to pray for a small child they are concerned about. Sometimes everything comes in doubles. I guess I received my answer about working the Sports Show again next Spring.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 12, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
   They are a young, attractive, black couple living in a small motel with 5 children. When I knocked at the door the father opened the door and said that his wife was not home yet and the room was a mess. I replied that I was a bit early anyway and would wait outside in my vehicle until his wife returned from work. It was dark outside, the wind was blowing torrents of rain mixed with snow. When mother returned she beeped her horn as I was in her parking place. I walked back and explained who I was. She apologized and said, " you're good, no problem." There was no reserved parking so she parked in another's spot.

   It took a bit for all five children to enter the cramped room and things were so tight that I nearly fell over some things. The husband apologized and worked feverishly to get the room in order. The children were disruptive so mother turned the TV up. That made things even worse.  I was beginning to wonder if this was going to work out. As father cleared the table and made more room the children gradually quieted down and the TV was turned off. There were two king sized beds in the room and three rows of food were staked all along the wall. Both parents work at Walmart on alternate shifts. It was apparent that finances were low. Mother revealed that she was interested in prophecy which led to a Bible study, while her husband never stopped organizing the entire 90 minutes that I was there, however he was listening and replied from time to time. Both responded well during the canvass/study. I closed on the GC illustrated as mother said, "I want this book." It is not a lot of money for the book but they had no money and payday is not until Friday. I said that I would stop by same time, same day, next week for the $20 down payment and set them up for three smaller payments without interest to be paid in the next three months. We discussed the Sabbath and they responded well. I led into the subject by asking them if they thought we should keep the commandments, all of them ? Mother's response was " well yeah!"  It was almost like " duh!!!"  When I left them a publication " A Day To Remember" ( on the Sabbath) mother asked me if she could have another to send to her father up in the cities. He is non-denominational and studying to become a pastor. I gave her a couple of other publications for him and offered prayer. They are a very humble couple and just found a place to rent. They sill be moving in a couple of weeks.

      Upon leaving I noticed that the room was very tidy. Three of the five children were sound asleep on the bed and the littlest one was sitting off to the side being perfectly  quiet. I was thankful that the Lord brought peace and order into the home. I headed home in the rain thankful that all worked out for God's glory.

I Cor. 14:40
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on November 12, 2015, 12:52:02 PM

Upon leaving I noticed that the room was very tidy. Three of the five children were sound asleep on the bed and the littlest one was sitting off to the side being perfectly  quiet. I was thankful that the Lord brought peace and order into the home. I headed home in the rain thankful that all worked out for God's glory.

I Cor. 14:40

Amen!
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on November 16, 2015, 09:47:25 PM
 
It was a lead card mailed in from a chiropractic clinic for the Encyclopedia of Foods Books. The name of the town was misspelled on the card. It looked like the writing of either and elderly lady or a child.
When I knocked on the door the young mother invited me inside and stated that her 10 year old daughter mailed the card in. When I asked the mother if she was a health minded person she replied, “ I’m trying to be.”  She purchased the three volume foods books, Natural Remedies, and the Great Controversy illustrated.
I stopped at another home with a marble sign out front reading “ Do to the high cost of ammunition no warning shots will be fired.”
I had called a few hours earlier and the family was expecting me. Upon entering I stated, “ I didn’t hear any warning shots.” We connected right away. This is a serious family ( for the most part). They have no computer, no tv, and appreciate good books. The father is a very down to earth guy. He stated that he wants his children to be more than what he is. They send their children to a Catholic school.
When mother asked him what he thought, he replied, “ I think we need to do this. Look at what’s happening in the world.”
As I wrote up the order for the Bible stories and Triumph of God’s Love ( Great Controversy) his daughter whispered over to her father “ you’re the best !”
After offering prayer and leaving some free lit I returned from my vehicle with a Desire of Ages magabook.
Soon the message on the marble stone out front will be that very spirit at the homes of many but for now and at this home it is just tongue in cheek. We need to reach the families while the going is still good by comparison. Yesterday I drove 200 miles from place to place and town to town. Few were home and the one home I was able to enter had shall we say  “an entirely different spirit.”  I don’t want to blight the other stories by giving the details of how rude the people were. Anyway, today was a much better day. I drove only 50 miles and by God’s grace over a thousand dollars worth of books were in two homes as well as free literature and a prayer in a home that did not purchase. Even in that home it looks like the young school teacher may purchase books when I’m in town next time. She had forgotten her purse at school and had sick children at home. Even so, she welcomed the canvass and showed an interest in the books. In the majority of homes, if the people will simply give me a hearing, they will purchase books and often a goodly amount of them.
 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 03, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
 
 The lead card from the doctor's office took me to a low income housing complex. I searched diligently for apartment number 14 but it was not visible from the outside of the building. After circling the building several times I decided to park and enter. With card addressed to Frank, in hand and my case and prospectus in the other I entered. A middle aged man met me in the hallway so I asked the question I always ask in that situation, " you wouldn't happen to be _____ would you?" "Yes, I am" he replied in a slow manner of speech. I explained why I was there and Frank invited me to his room just around the corner. It was a small and humble apartment with a fair amount of books and clutter. Frank's wife, Suzy was sitting in the recliner. As we talked it was apparent that the two have a lot of health concerns. They both have seizures and Frank sometimes has Grand Maul seizures. They are on a lot of meds and neither drive. Frank talks slow and methodical but he reasons well and has a very sweet spirit about him.  It was also apparent that they were a step ahead of most people when it comes to the Bible.

      I spotted a paperback Desire of Ages among their books on the end table and commented on it. Frank said that they are new members of the SDA church and are studying with a church member that picks them up Sabbath and takes them to church. When Frank commented that he has seen those Bible Story books in doctor's offices for years I asked the two, " did you know that these books are printed by SDA's ?" Their mouths dropped open. REALLY !  That was a deal maker for them.
 
    They wanted the 12 volume Bible Reference Library. This was a lot for them to put forth financially so I asked if they could handle the down payment of $169.50. They said that they could when they received their disability check on the third of the month. I said that I would return then with the books as I had to order them. Knowing that there was a good chance with their low income that this would not come through I was prepared to offer them magabooks instead when I returned.  I stopped back two weeks later and sure enough they were prepared to purchased the set of books. I offered prayer and offered to pick the two up and bring them to our house some time so  they could try some healthy food alternatives such as mac and cashew cheese, non chicken gravy and made from scratch gluten nuggets. They said that they would be happy to come and taste test our food. There is little chance that they will get off their drugs ( short of a miracle healing) as they are so dependent on the system but at least they can learn some healthier diet ideas.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Hounddog on December 03, 2015, 11:17:21 PM
  I offered prayer and offered to pick the two up and bring them to our house some time so  they could try some healthy food alternatives such as mac and cashew cheese, non chicken gravy and made from scratch gluten nuggets. They said that they would be happy to come and taste test our food. There is little chance that they will get off their drugs ( short of a miracle healing) as they are so dependent on the system but at least they can learn some healthier diet ideas.

I am all for healthier diets, but for someone living with a seizure disorder (or any health condition) it is good to match the diet with the disease. Unfortunately, gluten rich diets may not be the best for someone with a seizure disorder. Gluten can also cause serious problems for those with celiac disease and also for those with gout, which I unfortunately recently discovered.

Of course, it is up to the individual with the disease to discover this for themselves and police their diet, but we have as part of our health message taken up diet education and should take up individual needs in that education.

https://www.glutenfreesociety.org/leaky-brain-seizures-epilepsy-gluten-sensitivity/
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 04, 2015, 08:09:20 AM
Hd;

I thought that might draw repercussion.   :-)


I'm thinking that a little non GMO, organic gluten will likely be better than pizza ( with gluten with GMO & Glysophate )or chicken and beef products that often contain pork.

I've done some research into gluten and it appears that to a considerable extent it is getting a bad rap that many times does not apply to the gluten itself. This reminds me of soy. I am not concerned about soy accept that which is GMO and sprayed with Glyphosate. I'm finding that the dominant problem with gluten is not the wheat protein itself so much as the GMO issue that is part of most wheat today. The other issue is the Roundup. Sometimes high doses are sprayed on wheat field just before harvest to #1 give it a little kick just before it expires therefore putting on a little more into the grain head, and #2 it kills all the wheat at the same time before harvest so there is no green wheat harvested. In other words, it is used as a ripening agent. Of course, obviously this would not be done with wheat that has been engineered to tolerate Round Up. The problem is the grain head takes in the Glyphosate  /Round Up and people of course eat it and apparently sometimes quite a bit of it. While there many be other issues with wheat gluten I believe these are the dominant ones. We can still purchase organic, non GMO wheat which has not been sprayed with Round Up. I think that the gluten problem is often overstated as the catch all for health problems just like so many children are labeled ADHD for any behavior problem. Another item that gets bad press is carbs.  :evil:  meanwhile they drink booze and eat meat.
 
     Thanks anyway for the reminder as we may want to avoid the gluten for now since some people are so messed up so as not to be able to handle very well even healthy gluten. The question that remains is " is it really the gluten itself" or is it altered gluten?" People have been liberally eating wheat products for 6,000 years.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on December 04, 2015, 09:32:13 AM
it appears that to a considerable extent it is getting a bad rap that many times does not apply to the gluten itself...........I think that the gluten problem is often overstated as the catch all for health problems just like so many children are labeled ADHD for any behavior problem.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if to a very large extent this is the case.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Hounddog on December 04, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
it appears that to a considerable extent it is getting a bad rap that many times does not apply to the gluten itself...........I think that the gluten problem is often overstated as the catch all for health problems just like so many children are labeled ADHD for any behavior problem.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if to a very large extent this is the case.

Interesting. The quote from ColporteurK seems to have been edited out after the quote was made!
In the situations I wrote about, I would say that I have seen at least one person probably die after being given glutamine which can derived from gluten. The fact that people have been eating wheat for thousands of years may be true, but I believe people are being faced with many new illnesses that humans never used to have to deal with, including gluten issues.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 04, 2015, 06:07:35 PM
Tammy was just quoting that which struck her as most important at the time. That is done all the time.  My point is that gluten is getting the rap for other issues that are often not even being addressed. There are people that claim that they cannot eat fruit. However, fruit is not the problem. People are eating animal protein by the truck load and we still hear that people may not be getting enough protein. Of course they mean, animal protein. Animal protein is getting a green light while gluten is considered something a kin to poison. For the one person you say that might have died from glutamine derived from gluten, thousands and millions die from cancer, heart disease, alzhiemers, and strokes because of the consumption of dead flesh, white sugar and dairy products etc..
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Tammy on December 04, 2015, 06:13:14 PM
I believe people are being faced with many new illnesses that humans never used to have to deal with

And I'm sure that's also true.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 05, 2015, 11:06:35 PM
I believe people are being faced with many new illnesses that humans never used to have to deal with

And I'm sure that's also true.
yeah there's a new bug out there too... called the kissing bug... bites you and puts in a parasite into your system... looks like a cross between a box elder but and a roach
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 05, 2015, 11:09:55 PM
Tammy was just quoting that which struck her as most important at the time. That is done all the time.  My point is that gluten is getting the rap for other issues that are often not even being addressed. There are people that claim that they cannot eat fruit. However, fruit is not the problem. People are eating animal protein by the truck load and we still hear that people may not be getting enough protein. Of course they mean, animal protein. Animal protein is getting a green light while gluten is considered something a kin to poison. For the one person you say that might have died from glutamine derived from gluten, thousands and millions die from cancer, heart disease, alzhiemers, and strokes because of the consumption of dead flesh, white sugar and dairy products etc..
interesting about gluten... it has been hybridized a great deal and it has changed the protein from its original... some sensitive individuals or immuno-compromised may not be able to tolerate it...
I was gluten intolerant for maybe 6 years but now, being able to tolerate it after doing a detox regimen with wheat grass... and better hydrating with water early in the morning...hmmmm
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on December 10, 2015, 06:50:16 PM

I have made it a habit to drink 4-5 glasses of water within one hour after rising in the morning. If I do not get a jump on my water intake early on I do not get enough. A quart jar before breakfast sets on my coffee table. Often we add a teaspoon or two of European green clay the night before.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on December 10, 2015, 09:12:48 PM

I have made it a habit to drink 4-5 glasses of water within one hour after rising in the morning. If I do not get a jump on my water intake early on I do not get enough. A quart jar before breakfast sets on my coffee table. Often we add a teaspoon or two of European green clay the night before.
I'm doing 3 mugs of warm/hot water in the morning now and liking it.  I agree with you, so busy that often times that is the best water all day long...  seems I forget to drink when I'm busy.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 15, 2016, 08:53:43 PM

   The lead card was written out by "Richard." When I stopped at the door and explained, his wife Randy said, she did not know anything about it. She came across as though "what did he get us into?" " Richard you did this." However she seemed to warm up fairly quickly at the table.  Grandpa Richard hobbled over and sat down. He is a very big man and with obvious health problems. He was way over weight and said that he has had both knees replaced, a shoulder and now he has a bad hip. He groaned and moaned throughout the canvass in a high pitched  way almost like a whimper. Several times he said he was going have to get up as he shifted his weight from one hip to the other but he did not get up until I was ready to leave. I canvassed the Bible stories/ Great Controversy and when Randy went to get the credit card I brought up health. Randy said, " I try to tell him that but he will not listen to me." Richard just moaned. I said that I would add on the $135.00 Natural Remedy book for $29.00 if they wanted.  Grandma Randy said, go ahead but he will not listen. They were both very touched by the prayer. Randy was headed out the door to take her grandchild to church. Richard said he was in too much pain and was staying home.

I had another lead 80 miles in the other direction. I drove over over and advertised clinics until they closed at 5:00 p.m.. Noticing a interdenominational  church in the middle of the block looking more like a department store I stopped and brought in a Bible Story brochure and a "Mark of the Beast" book. I was met by a lady who said she is the pastor's wife. We had a nice talk about the books and such. I asked her about her church. She did not want to divulge too much information so as to be identified with any particular church.
   One thing led to another and when the time was appropriate I mentioned that the United States is spoken of in the Bible? She replied that she has heard that before but has not seen that. I asked if I could show her ? She got her Bible and we did about a 15 minute study on Revelation 13:11 and onward. I repeated the symbols and commentary several times. It made sense to her. As always  I left the last part of the verse off and asked her if she thinks the United states is getting closer to God or further away. Of course, she said that it was falling away rapidly. Then I finished with the part of the verse, " and it spake as a dragon" and pointed back to Rev. 12:9 identifying the dragon. Then we talked about the papacy. I said that I grew up Catholic but am no longer. I knew that would lead to the question, " what are you now." I replied that I carefully and prayerfully studied and am an SDA. I said that I did not make that move haphazardly. The pastor's wife replied, " our son is searching and he has studied with SDAs. I left her the book and offered a prayer.
  As I was leaving she said, " I have one question for you..... do SDAs believe in hell." I answered, "yes and no." We believe the Bible teaches hell and hell fire but not quite the same as many believe. I explained as best I could while walking out the door. She replied that there are some things that we all do not exactly understand.  I think she was not closed minded about anything I was sharing and she kept the book I gave her.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 15, 2016, 08:55:07 PM

After talking with the pastor's wife I pulled out the one and only lead for the town. It is a town of about 10,000 people many of whom are minority immigrants of various kinds. It's a fairly poor town. The humble house was on the corner  of the block. When I arrived at the door Brenda was slightly taken back that the card she mailed in brought a person to the door.  This is a common response. I as not sure she was going to let me in but she did. As we sat at the table her 22 year old daughter joined in. She is a nice girl and a little slow. The boy friend was friendly but stayed aloof from us. Brenda said that he will not talk about God.

The canvass went smoothly and the responses by both ladies was positive. I was not impressed to get into heavy topics on prophecy. Brenda said that her daughter has some money saved up and she would write a check for her daughter for the full amount. I mentioned the Bedtime Story set. Kristina liked those too so  other said to include them as well. Bible Stories, Bedtime Stories, Triumph of God's Love, and the Natural Remedies. I offered a prayer. Brenda replied, " thanks for including Dean in that." I asked if they have considered marriage. Brenda said that she has been praying about that but Dean has been resisting. Her last words were God bless you !  As the daughter gave evidence that she wants the Great Stories for Kids set I will stop back later to canvass the set w the Desire of Ages.

Placing 31 volumes of books back to back in two homes  and for cash helps a cp very nicely to get down the road. Cheap gas helps as well. The Lord takes care of His workers.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on February 15, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
those low gas prices are helping us all
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 18, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
Another type of silent messenger I am having success sharing,    http://tenbookbucketlist.blogspot.com   (http://tenbookbucketlist.blogspot.com)

Cp, feel free to write down the tenbookbucketlist.blogspot.com and share with those who need to memorize Bible, and bimodal read the EGW books in english and other languages, especially those who want to take the books with them on tablet, laptop, on a trip when paperback is too bulky, etc, plus video links are there too . 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 18, 2016, 08:24:07 PM

Sure !
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 22, 2016, 08:37:44 AM

I have a dear friend that I have mentored over the years. We have a unique, religious brother/sister relationship. She was Lutheran but she and husband left that branch of the church because of a big upheaval. She has purchased books from me 4-5 times. Lost count. Today she emailed me and asked " what are the consequences for not observing the Sabbath ?"

As usual I gave a lengthy explanation but pondered how to answer this in short but in a way that caries a lot of weight.

My stab at it was " What are the consequences for not obeying the 6th and 7th commandments ?"

How would you answer a question like that in just a sentence or two ?





Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on February 22, 2016, 02:39:15 PM

I have a dear friend that I have mentored over the years. We have a unique, religious brother/sister relationship. She was Lutheran but she and husband left that branch of the church because of a big upheaval. She has purchased books from me 4-5 times. Lost count. Today she emailed me and asked " what are the consequences for not observing the Sabbath ?"

As usual I gave a lengthy explanation but pondered how to answer this in short but in a way that caries a lot of weight.

My stab at it was " What are the consequences for not obeying the 6th and 7th commandments ?"

How would you answer a question like that in just a sentence or two ?

Some ideas:

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." James 4:17

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."  Matt. 19:17

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:17

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev. 14:12

Then...
"Why wouldn't you want to keep the same day Jesus kept?'
"Why wouldn't you want to keep the only commandment that says 'remember'?"
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on February 22, 2016, 04:27:24 PM

Good job, Vicki. Some of those verses did come to mind. A couple more :

Matthew 15:9  " But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Matthew 15:13 " But he answered and said, Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted up."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on February 26, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
Sin is the transgression of WHAT and the WAGES of that is WHAT that is preformed WHERE by WHO ?   


( OK a record - Ed answered in 1 sentence, OK but in my defense, it was a run on sentence, I have a reputation to maintain ya know.   :uhoh:    )
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 14, 2016, 08:48:48 AM

Worked a trade show last week and week end. It produced about 400 interests. I talked to some about a NSL. Everyone without exception saw it as a good thing. Pretty much everyone changed there mind when the ramifications were explained and when they were asked if they thought force would  be effective in bringing in conversion.

This shows how people are not educated. The question posed on the drawing box at the booth was " How many years did it take Moses to build the ark?"  About 98% did not discern the question correctly. When asked, 100% did not know how long it took " Noah" to build the ark. Some even re-stated  the question  the right way, " How many years did it take "Noah" to build the ark?" However, they did not catch the wording of the question on the box. Many did not discern a problem with the question even when they were told it was a trick question and to read the question very carefully, while not thinking about the answer.
This reveals how easily people can be fooled and  miss something simply because it sounds somewhat similar.

There were people there however, that were intent on knowing truth relative to the last days and most all felt we are heading for disaster in this nation. Some gave large donations for a little paperback book on the Mark of the Beast. Some took it for free as a donation was not required. Some also gave donations for balloons where it was not required. Some purchased whole sets of Bible Studies. About 1500 pieces of literature was handed out. There were nearly 200 booths at the event and as always each vendor received a tract. No rejections at the vendor booths and no conflict at my booth. This will not be the case in a short while. Will be following up on interests starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Carl on March 14, 2016, 09:04:41 AM

Worked a trade show last week and week end. It produced about 400 interests. I talked to some about a NSL. Everyone without exception saw it as a good thing. Pretty much everyone changed there mind when the ramifications were explained and when they were asked if they thought force would  be effective in bringing in conversion.

Very interesting!
Out this way never heard of booths where literature of truths are given out. Perhaps in some outlaying smaller towns but not in the largest cities where they are sinning themselves to death. Why are our people so intent in staying in their comfort zones?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 14, 2016, 02:15:22 PM

Worked a trade show last week and week end. It produced about 400 interests. I talked to some about a NSL. Everyone without exception saw it as a good thing. Pretty much everyone changed there mind when the ramifications were explained and when they were asked if they thought force would  be effective in bringing in conversion.

Very interesting!
Out this way never heard of booths where literature of truths are given out. Perhaps in some outlaying smaller towns but not in the largest cities where they are sinning themselves to death. Why are our people so intent in staying in their comfort zones?

Because that is what Laodicea does. We could have booths like that in every city but very few will do it. The city I worked was not real large ( 120,000) but it pulls people for about 100 miles in every direction. It was a large Sport's show  It is never going to get easier to give our message than right now and soon it will be exceedingly difficult by comparison.

All you need to do is buy the spot at the show/fair and set up a booth. This year I am working three of them and the church is paying for two. On the table is placed the most pointed truth we have for people to pick up. Gifts ( literature) are given out when people try to answer the question on the box and  the drawing is for a free hard over book. The booth may is multi faceted, all designed to stimulate an interest and place literature into the hands of the people at the time of the event and afterward. One need not be an LE to do this. It come be done under the heading of Amazing Facts or Amazing Discoveries. I also had tracts on the table. Some rough looking ladies ( one a hell's angel dressed in leather) stopped and picked up a tract " You can Stop Smoking." She explained that she was able to kick the drugs and alcohol but not the tobacco. I shared that the reason was that there was missing elements in her program to stop smoking. She agreed or else she would have been able to stop by now.
 
    I tie pencil balloons and give them to the children. That really seems to break down the "religious" barrier.
In 5 minutes or so you can learn to tie a couple of balloons that make the kiddies happy and bring the parents and grandparents over to the booth. It is a happy experience for the children and therefore the same for the adults. That tends to open them up to that type of booth. It takes on a slightly festive and innocent look. With children running all over the  grounds and through 25,000 people the balloons soon are an advertisement for your booth. Multi tasking is the work of the day Inviting the people in while making balloons, asking about the question on the box, handing out literature, and discussing the Bible and world events. Sometimes it is slower and at that time one can witness more to the fellow venders or at more length with the people who stop at the booth. Addressing up to 200 people/families per day can be very taxing on a body. I found this year that when I ate less and mostly raw it made a significant difference in how I was able to handle that much stress. It gave me a real kick in terms of energy reserve. Last year I was burnt to a frazzle expending that much emotion energy. This year I finished up in the evening, packed up in about an hour, drove 90 minutes home, unpacked everything, and sorted drawing cards until 10:30 p.m..

   If you would like to do a booth like that let me know and I can help. The best teacher is to be here seeing what happens. There is nothing like it. Imagine being around 25,000 bow hunters, big game hunters, fisherman, and such with a Bible Story booth. They are there to find out how to find and kill the beast and we are there to help them avoid the mark of the beast.  :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 14, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
do you have any tracts that say something like 'the RCC changed the law'?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 15, 2016, 07:13:17 AM

I'm thinking the tracts by Steve Wohlberg ( White Horse Ministries) on the Pope have that but not sure. I only had a very few of those and did not read through them. I forget the exact title but it is something like " The Pope and Prophecy."
If there is a Glow tract that says that it is either " Why I go to Church on Saturday" or "When Freedom Dies."
If you hunt around on Google a bit there is a site where you can view most of the glow tracts and read the entire tract online.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 15, 2016, 09:02:24 AM
Not sure about the other two tracts as I am out of them and heading out the door, but the tract" Why I go to Church on Saturday" tract includes the following :

" This change came in long after the disciples died. By the third and fourth centuries, history records some Christians kept the pagan worship day of Sunday in Rome and other places where the church was compromising to escape persecution.
     As the church of Rome grew in political power and developed into  the Roman Catholic Church, it officially sanctioned Sunday keeping instead of the Sabbath. Today, it points to this fact of history as proof that its authority and tradition is superior to the plain teaching of Scripture."
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 15, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
I was hoping for a title that is something like:

why Rome changed God's law
did you know Rome changed God's law

maybe we should write our own and publish  :-)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 17, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
 
My family put out 2300 tracts in the past 7 days. I had the police visit me twice, once in town and once in the city. People are nervous and the devil is angry.

Yesterday, on one street I had a young man about 35 years old approach we with one of my tracts in his hand. ( Do Dead People Talk) I thought there might be trouble as he asked, " are you putting these out?" I replied that I was. He asked, "what church are you associated with?" " Seventh day Adventist", I replied. " I attend the Wesleyan church and have a question for you, " he said.  I'll walk with you while we talk" he continued. Was Paul perfect? I don't recall much in the NT about Paul overcoming sin".   I thought at first he might be gearing his question towards SDA theology but this was a question he had on his mind already. I don't think he really knew much of anything about SDAs. If he does he did not indicate such.  I replied, " Paul was on the road to perfection in his life. Paul said, I die daily". I talked about sanctification being an ongoing daily occurrence that is a lifelong experience. I talked about obedience and discussed the Sabbath with him briefly as he listened quietly. I kicked myself later that I did not watch to see which house across the street that he returned to. I guessed that it was one of four houses. When I returned to my vehicle a few blocks away I picked up a Steps to Christ , a publication on America in Prophecy and one on the Sabbath. I drove to his block and decided to knock on doors until I found him. The first house I chose was the right house. I presented the publications to him as a gift and departed. You never know what will happen when placing literature door to door.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 18, 2016, 08:42:17 AM

The Porteur Counters Potter


Last night a family in the city purchased a set of Bible Stories and Bible Readings from me. They were very friendly and most interesting. They are big into health and the mother is big into Harry Potter. As I was canvassing the 10 year old daughter went and got the book to show me. Her mother reads all the HP books and now the daughter is reading the thick paperback that she brought to me. I did not lambast the book but quoted from memory Eccl. 9:5-6. The husband looked at me kind of funny like he could not believe I had that to memory. Mother is the reader and yet the father who reads little, gently overrode her " we need to talk about it" objection and they purchased the books. The father was interested in the Bible Readings book. The mother and daughter are interested in the Bible and talked about several things they were reading about in the daughters little Bible book. There was very interesting dynamics going on in that home and the little boy was constantly distracting by running and falling down or running pushing his truck at full speed and making VERY loud RRRRRRRR noises. Wonder who might have been behind all of that. :wink:

I will return in the future with the health books and lit on the state of the dead. I left them a radiant living publication for now.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 18, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Satan and his evil angels are masters of distractions and will work through children, animals, and even old people that have lost it.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 21, 2016, 09:04:32 PM

I had a young mother today who purchased a 22 volume library. She is a former Catholic and everything clicked throughout the canvass/Bible study. It was such an experience as you would like to paint and frame. However, when her husband came home in the evening apparently all her saw was $$$. She tried to talk him into getting half the set.  Nope ! That can be a draw back when one of the partners is not there to experience the value and the spirit. Will go back tomorrow and see if I can place several magabooks as she feels bad that this fell through and I put my heart and soul into the canvass. I left her some Bible studies to do.

The next house a single mother ( husband died) purchased the Bible Stories and Great Controversy.
In the third home an elderly lady with a lot of heal problems and living in low income housing purchased the Natural Remedies book.

In the last house the lady was nice but merely humoring me. She purchased nothing. She is a white woman living with a large black man. Her children were pretty much out of control. I left gifts and did not spend a lot of time there.

Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step back.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 23, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Canvassed 5 families yesterday. 4 families purchased books of one form or another. As I approached the last home  my thoughts were, "rough looking house....not well kept..... lower income... a whole coffee can of cigarette butts by the front door and scattered around on the ground..... perhaps a magabook interest. The drawing card was well marked up however and with neat handwriting. It did not exactly match the setting.

The wife and mother invited me in. No kitchen table so we sat on the couch. Husband was a big, rough looking man, ...no shirt..... many tummy rolls....many tattoos.... not particularly friendly. He sat behind me in a recliner. When I tried to engage him he was a bit cold and said, " I don't read that kind of stuff and marched out of the house to smoke. As I canvassed mother he returned a bit latter. When I got down to the close of the canvass with prices I kind of expected him to speak up against a book purchase. I could not tell if the wife was dominated by him or not. The cranked up on his cell phone the most ungodly sounding game or music, I could not tell which. That did not surprise me and it was entirely intrusive. All of the sudden the wife spoke up, looked around me and blurted out to him, "Shut that thing OFF ! You're being rude !!!"  He instantly shut it off. While I was well happy with her I chuckled inside. She purchased a goodly amount of books from me.  :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 23, 2016, 09:18:01 AM

Earlier in the day I headed to an appointment with a couple who were in process of moving from their low income apartment to another. As I approached the apartment the man put out his cigarette with his foot on the ground. He and his wife are in their 60's and have no children. They are a Catholic couple who like to read the Bible and showed an interest on their drawing card regarding adult Bible story books. The door was propped open on their apartment as they were hauling belongings and it was a nice day. They had no table so on top of a cardboard box I displayed the GC illustrated. Much of the canvass was simply talking about the couple and about the state of the country. The couple purchased the book. I prayed for them and left free lit on health and other things. I handed the husband the glow tract with the revolver with the cigarette stuck in on of the cylinder chambers. The tract reads, " You can stop Smoking ". I said, " I don't know if you are interested but some people ARE."  He replied, " Yah, I was dumb. I quite a few years ago and after a year and a half I started up again. I've had two heart attacks since then. I'm going to make an effort again on April 1."

  I replied, " the tract is perfect timing then and this time you're going to make it."  I offered prayer for the couple and  success in the stop smoking attempt coming up. They were very touched by the prayer.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 23, 2016, 02:22:15 PM
he'll probably die of a heart attack if he does not quit smoking... good thing that you spotted that and left something
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on March 25, 2016, 11:20:28 AM
It Was a Double Barrel !

It was a middle upper class part  of town. I had a friend that I'm working with call me on my cell and by the time we finished I was a half hour late for my appointment. I rarely let anything cause me to run late but I'm mentoring my non SDA friend and the call was important.

When I arrived at the home the father was out in the garage. He said, "My wife thought you were not coming." I apologized and the canvassed proceeded. The mother seemed very interested however, there were distractions. Just when we were really rolling good the mother said that she had a friend coming over and the husband would have to take over. I sensed that this would not be the best scenario so I suggested that we reschedule so both mother and father could get in on the information. Mother said that this would be a good idea so we rescheduled for 6:00 P.M later in the week.  I promised that I would not be late this time.

I arrived at 5:56 p.m.. While the children ate supper the parents and I proceeded with the canvass. The way the father came across I began to wonder if he was going to be one of those guys that seeks for an argument. However, my concerns were exaggerated and all went well, that is  until he looked at my list of churches that use the Bible Stories. He pointed to "Seventh day Adventists" and said, "I know one of those and they are pretty far out." I did not flinch and we continued. We talked a fair amount about Catholic teachings, JWs and Mormon. He and his wife are currently not attending any church but were formerly Lutheran until a problem in the church arose.
     Then out of the blue the father said, "you don't have to answer this is you don't want to but what church do you endorse?"   That was a bullet that would likely kill the canvass in terms of any real investment being made. I replied, " I'm a Bible believing Christian and I believe that when Christ comes there will be two churches as it were, those who follow Jesus and those who don't." Some would say that I dodged the question and I did. The father said I did not have to answer if I did not wish to so I did not directly do so. He was not ready to hear that. It would not benefit him at this time. There was a lot of discussion during the two hour canvass and there was a splash of lightheartedness from time to time. At one time the father said, " If the people miss a payment what do you do, go pick up the books?"  " Yah, I do," I said with a straight face and then a big grin. He continued, " I like that, you have a sense of humor."

     Then bullet number two was fired. It was more like a torpedo. Mother flipped open her lap top and began to research the Bible Stories for cost. As she did that I began my counter. " You may find cheaper sets on the internet but some of them do not have a stitched in binding. They fall apart in about a year." She continued her search. I continued, " those who sell these books on the web do not offer any warrantee.  They do not offer you 10 months same as cash and they do not include the two beautiful books, The Triumph of God's Love. Those books are never outdated and a college text book like that can run as high as $200 per volume. I could realistically  almost charge this full amount just for those two volumes." She kept looking and said, they are selling them in Ohio for $175.00."  That was less than half of my price. The wonderful Ohio SDA conference undercuts the LE to try and sell a bunch of sets they got stuck with when they dropped the LE program there.

     The mother said, " not to worry, I would not buy them off the internet no matter what the price was. I could not have you come here and put in all this time and then buy them off the internet. We continued talking for another 45 minutes while doing up the paperwork and other misc. details. The father has been an electrician for the past 16 years. He said that he spent 6 years in prison and got several degrees while studying there. There were a couple of big guns in the canvass that could have shot down the family's chance to purchase these books. Even so, with a little bit of wisdom and a very close bond with the people as a result of the Holy Spirit,  it all worked out.

   It was a very good week with 16 canvasses with 11 families purchasing books of one nature or another. While my largest sale ( 22 volumes) cancelled when the father came home and erupted it still ended with a small magabook package entering the home when I returned to pick up their books. There are many dynamics that unfold when a person sits in front of a variety of people while talking spiritual matters for 18-20 hours.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on March 25, 2016, 12:18:31 PM
yeah, the internet has changed things...

we used to be quiet about EGW but these days, they can search anything and find out anything... unfortunately Satan rules the internet and has tons of bad stuff right at page one of any search you would do about her
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on April 04, 2016, 05:51:53 PM

The internet is really becoming a problem. I have had as many book cancellations in the past two weeks as I have had in the past two years. It is becoming second nature for people to get on the internet to bargain shop or just out of curiosity. People are selling their used and even new Bible Story sets at a very low price. Sometimes it is even lower than my cost. The Ohio SDA conference is unloading their sets on the internet at a price the LE cannot compete with especially when we add a SOP book to the set. Of course the Ohio conference does not do that ( add a SOP book) because they care more about the money than getting present truth out. While the health books are said to be the entering wedge there are far more people that have an interest in the children's books than health books. Most do not understand the significance of the health books. They care more about their children's spiritual education than their health. We need to find an approach in using the wedge in this post modern age. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on April 04, 2016, 07:32:16 PM
I don't have a solution for this other than it seems you will have to offer a discount or something like that to compete... 

Maybe a senior discount...
Or if they pay cash up front, a discount...

Jesus is the Head, the body is the gospel and the right arm is the health message. 

In many ways, the gospel message should be included with the health message... 
if all that we can do for people health wise and they die anyway it is a loss.  But if we share the health message with the gospel and if they accept Jesus and they die, everything is still a victory.

Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 02, 2016, 07:59:52 AM

The Dutch Make Much… of Sunday
   

They are a young Dutch Reformed couple living out on the farm. Mother stays home with the three children and father is a pork producer. They do not have a TV and plan to send their children to a parochial school as most Reformed parents do.

   I tend to try to avoid canvassing the Reformed people on Sunday but was on my way home from canvassing from a far distance and decided to stop off at this home anyway as I had a drawing card for them from the Sport’s Show and wanted to try and make another visit before the clock ran out for the evening.
Sensing that the Sunday business might come up or be on the minds of the couple I turned during the canvass to the page showing the Ten Commandments. I had a pretty good repore with the couple by that time and they seemed humble. I asked the mother, who was sitting near by at the table with the father kind of bouncing around the room with his baby boy who had a fever, if she thought we ought to keep the 10  Commandments. She was nice but kind of frowned as if to say “ why would you even ask such a thing,” and she replied, “well of course.” I continued by asking if she thought we ought to keep all of them and exactly as they were written. Her reply was the same. I did this preparatory for what might develop and for what DID develop later in the canvass.

   I showed the Bible Stories, the Bedtimes Stories, and the Great Controversy to the couple and they liked them but not enough to spend a goodly amount of money on the books. After all, they had some books from their church and while expressing that my books were more comprehensive they felt they had enough and besides they like to support their own church. They were very nice but it was clear that they were not going to buy any books. What to do ? Time to gamble a bit as it would appear ?

   Then the mother asked, “ why are you out selling books on Sunday” and “ I just don’t feel right about buying books on Sunday anyway.”  The husband was equally nice but followed with, “ when I was growing up my father would not have even let a salesman in the yard on Sunday. He would have said to come back on Monday.” I responded that one of the reasons that I was out working today was because we home school and my wife is off of work on Sunday so it is an opportunity for me to take the whole day and work a far distance from home.”  Mother did not say anything but gave the look, “ that is not an adequate excuse for working on the Lord’s day.” I could read her expression very clearly. It was gentle but mildly rebuking.
Rather than a directly approaching them with this, I chose a second person story as follows:
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 02, 2016, 08:00:35 AM
conclusion :

“You kind of remind me of a family from your church years ago that I visited. The mother was very nice but she said that she would not purchase any of my picture filled books. I sensed that it was because of the second commandment as I opened my book and pointed to that commandment. We discussed that a bit and though I said I saw that a bit differently as a picture is not a graven image, however if one thinks that it is an idol then they should not have them.” ( I glanced at this couple’s fridge when I said that and noticed all the pictures of their children held up with magnets)( The mother observed me as I looked at he fridge). I continued, “ I very much appreciate your convictions regarding the 10 Commandments.  Not many people are that conscientious. You know there is a commandment that many people, even good faithful Christians like yourself for one reason or another have forgotten. The very commandment that begins with the word REBEMBER most have forgotten. I pointed to the fourth commandment and read it aloud. Then I explained a good deal about it and its part in last day events as the Bible says that those who do not receive the Mark of the beast will be keeping the commandments, the commandments that Jesus wrote with His own finger in stone. The couple  wanted to know more about this and the wife  said to her husband that she wanted the books.”
That ended the second person story but I followed with some other things about the Sabbath beginning with the question, “ do you know which day the Sabbath is on…… ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?”
The mother replied, “ I know its not Sunday.” I pointed to their calendar on the wall and said that even their calendar has it right. We all three looked at the calendar and discussed this. I said that just as people are most sure that all of the animals went into the ark by twos ( we discussed that earlier) many are following tradition regarding Sunday rather than the Bible.
The father gently stated, “ but Jesus rose form the dead on Sunday.” I replied, “ that’s right and He died on Friday, perhaps the Muslims who worship on Friday have it right ?”
The mother said, “ I have cash out in the car, we’ll take the books.” Once again, had I canvassed them on another day I doubt they would have purchased the books and the Sunday issue even though we would have discussed it probably would not have loomed as large as it did since it was Sunday when I stopped and since the mother kindly took issue with me selling on Sunday. I believe this unfolded  pretty much as the Lord had led providentially. While stopping at a Reformed home on Sunday may have appeared  a bit of a gamble this provided an effective opportunity to share present truth for the last days. 
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 02, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
God was leading
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 02, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
Give the devil an inch and he'll become a ruler.    :evil:

Give the Lord two feet and He'll make you a missionary !  :-D


Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on May 03, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: Ed Sutton on May 04, 2016, 07:53:09 AM
http://www.onlinebible.org/html/other/OLB_Library_other_bible.html#spanish (http://www.onlinebible.org/html/other/OLB_Library_other_bible.html#spanish)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: ColporteurK on May 25, 2016, 08:29:39 PM
Maybe a year ago I was advertising medical clinics in a town of about 8,000 people. In one clinic I entered into a discussion with the receptionist which led to me bringing my case into the waiting room and canvassing her. She purchased 12 magabooks for her grandchildren for $140.00. I told her then that if at any time in the future she was to purchase the hardcover set of Bible Stories I would deduct from the price of the set $140.

    I had stopped back several times but never anyone home or else the  grandmother never came to the door.
As I was about to give up I decided to stop at the house one last time. Once again, no response. As I was getting into my vehicle I saw a pickup pull up and park in the street. It appeared from the way he was looking at me this was his house. I approached him and explained that I had sold his wife some books in the clinic and had an offer for her. He led me to the house and explained that his wife was home but does not answer the door unless she knows the people. Apparently, she did not recognize me. As we entered the house he explained a little to his wife and then I filled in the gaps.

  They were hesitant but as I continued talking interest grew enough  in the mind of the grandfather to where he said they would at least take a look. I went and got my case and returned giving them a short canvass. The wife was reserved but interest grew in her husband. When I shared with him the Great Controversy and the Bible Readings and touched on a few key points interest was rising and the husband said we'll take these. He is a former Catholic and I talked a bit about the RCC role in last day events in terms of being a key role player. He was happy to pay cash for the books and received the $140 discount , and I ended with prayer. If I would have arrived at the home 60 seconds earlier or if the husband would have come home 60 seconds later, the books would not be in their home today. How did the Lord work this out ? I do not know what happened on the other end but upon reflecting I remember  that when I left home I forgot something. It was not important enough to drive back home to get it were I very far away but being only 2 miles from home I went back. That was enough to delay me five minutes. That made the timing work at this home.

    I drove 20 miles to the next town. Books were sold to a family there several months ago. They are not a wealthy family but they had an interest in the books for their 22 year old daughter to is challenged a bit mentally. They had purchased the Bible Stories, Bedtime Stories and Great Controversy. I also showed them the Great Stories for Kids and while the daughter preferred them over the Bedtime Stories I told her that IMO the Bedtime Stories are better. The mother agreed and said maybe they would purchase the Great Stories for Kids in the future. I had stopped there a couple of times before but had not connected. Today, I parked a block away and staked the place out  :-D doing some reading and sorting of cards etc.. After about an hour they pulled into their drive. I walked over and visited as they sat in their pickup. The mother wrote out a check for the Great Stories w the Desire of Ages. The daughter was happy to get the books.

    At another house I was able to make an appointment with a young mother who lives with her boyfriend. In five days I will make the trip back and canvass her. Only five hours of work but it was very productive work in spite of 150 miles of driving.
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: newbie on July 05, 2016, 05:33:21 PM
My life was threatened today:

I had my life threatened today by the husband of a woman that purchased Bible books and then did not pay for them. Basically he hates anything to do with the Bible so that includes me. It was not pretty and that is a first in 25 years of canvassing. This was on the heals of watching gruesome footage send me by a Bible worker in Zimbabwe. There is a revolution going on there and people with hands tied behind their backs are being cut to ribbons because they would not join a particular party.  Then the Lord produced a most wonderful miracle. Since I am moving, this week is my last week to do any work here. I decided to collect the Bible story books in the nearby town so I can put them to use in my new territory. I debated as to whether or not to do that but I am now certain this was the Lord's will. My last stop was at the hospital. I entered the Meditation room to find a lady in her early 60's sitting at a desk. Since there is major remodeling in the hospital they temporarily moved her office to the Meditation room. She helped me look for the Bible Story book there and then sat down at her desk. Tongue in cheek she said, I do give confessions." I knew she was kidding so brushed it off and kept talking. A second time she said, " I do confessions but I'm not Catholic. I used to be Catholic though."  I whispered back with a grin, " I used to be Catholic too." "You were,?" she continued. One thing led to another until it was very clear that we were both speaking the same language. She has converted to the Lutheran church but is not happy there. She is trying to understand Revelation. We talked for maybe 30 minutes. She is very conservative for one not of our faith, against WO and many other such things. She is very interested in last day events. A couple of hours later I brought her back a nice paperback Great Controversy as a gift and told her to begin with the chapter on Luther and then after she was sold on the book to start at the beginning and read through. This made my day !

    It was clear with me deciding to go to the hospital  and on a day when this lady was temporarily in the Meditation room, the most appropriate place in the hospital for us to talk,  the Lord worked this all out. And I was thinking of not going there again. It is amazing how many times when the devil rears his ugly head the Lord comes in and works His power. The good the bad and the ugly all in one day.

CP
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: brandonthomas on January 18, 2018, 01:05:36 AM

 I want to add the following 3 minute clip to the end of a powerpoint presentation with canvassing experiences. Since on a scale of 1-10 with computers I am about a 3 I have not a clue as to how to do it. Does anyone know how I can add the video clip  to my picture presentation ?
There are 2 ways by which you can add the clip to a powerpoint presentation.

1. Download the video and insert in powerpoint - You can use websites like www.savefrom.net to get the video in supported video format. You can open the slide where you want the YouTube video to be used. Go to ‘Insert’ tab and choose ‘Video’. From the drop-down menu, choose ‘Video on My PC’.(https://techlila-techlila.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/step-three-b.jpg)

2. Insert Online Video Option in MS PowerPoint - This method is available in Microsoft PowerPoint 2016. If you have the latest version, this is the easiest way to play a YouTube video amidst your PPT presentation. Unlike the other method, you need an active internet connection for YouTube playback. The method is covered in detail here - https://www.techlila.com/how-to-embed-a-youtube-video-in-powerpoint.

Hope you find it useful :)
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: brandonthomas on January 18, 2018, 01:08:07 AM

I want to add the following 3 minute clip to the end of a powerpoint presentation with canvassing experiences. Since on a scale of 1-10 with computers I am about a 3 I have not a clue as to how to do it. Does anyone know how I can add the video clip  to my picture presentation?
Title: Re: Silent Messengers
Post by: V. Hahn on January 18, 2018, 02:25:37 PM
Welcome to the forum, Brandon!  Good information!