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Theology => The Sabbath => Topic started by: Richard OFfill on July 26, 2008, 09:43:21 AM

Title: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Richard OFfill on July 26, 2008, 09:43:21 AM
What can a person do if the sermon on Sabbath is really boring? Are there such things as boring sermons? Please be honest.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: 1WVMom on July 26, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
As I read this question I read it to my family.  My 4 year old knew right away what to do....color :wink:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: SDA4Life on July 26, 2008, 11:03:30 AM
This is difficult. There is one person at my local church that occasionally preaches when the pastor is not there. He speaks very slowly in a monotone voice and his sermons usually last about one hour. The content is Biblical, but it is very difficult to stay engaged with the sermon. I have never come close to falling asleep in church until sitting though his sermon. What I do now is listen as long as I can and then discreetly reread the passages of scripture that he has already gone over.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: colporteur on July 26, 2008, 11:10:03 AM
What can a person do if the sermon on Sabbath is really boring? Are there such things as boring sermons? Please be honest.

What is considered "boring" will always be a relative subjective view. Today we ran a sermon in church by Steve Bohr whom I admire greatly. As you know Steve preaches with power but the entertainment factor is not there. One lady whom I am certain did not like the message "Testimony of Jesus" could hardly sit in her pew it was "so boring " for her. I do not think she would have been much bored with the presentation had the topic been different. I believe people are bored or fed according to what they are hungry for. Many are hungry for tickley things. A few are hungry for deep convicting things from God's Word. My question is... do we change the food to meet the apetite or do we give the strait forward message without softening the edges which in essence tends to entirely reduce the impact of the message ?
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Raven on July 26, 2008, 11:14:56 AM
We had a really bad sermon a few months ago (it wasn't our pastor).  I hung in there until the end  :snooze: but I noticed that many people opened their Bibles and were reading.  I think that may be a good option.  I suppose it would also be helpful to have a copy of Steps to Christ handy for situations like that.

Not everyone who steps into the pulpit should be there.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Raven on July 26, 2008, 11:22:52 AM
What is considered "boring" will always be a relative subjective view. Today we ran a sermon in church by Steve Bohr whom I admire greatly. As you know Steve preaches with power but the entertainment factor is not there. One lady whom I am certain did not like the message "Testimony of Jesus" could hardly sit in her pew it was "so boring " for her. I do not think she would have been much bored with the presentation had the topic been different. I believe people are bored or fed according to what they are hungry for. Many are hungry for tickley things. A few are hungry for deep convicting things from God's Word. My question is... do we change the food to meet the apetite or do we give the strait forward message without softening the edges which in essence tends to entirely reduce the impact of the message ?

cp, if you had heard the sermon I referenced above, even you would have been squirming in your seat.  Does the expresson "droning on" give you a clue?  This guy shouldn't have been in the pulpit.  He is not a speaker, and he could have said all that he needed to say in about 5 minutes.  I could picture Ellen White getting up and saying something like she did when the congregation was singing so listlessly.  But, since I'm not a prophet, I restrained myself.  :-D

I've shown Stephen Bohr before (today we showed #7 of the series "Here We Stand," by Doug Batchelor), and had no complaints.  Anyone who thinks Stephen Bohr is boring must not be studying their Bible much.  Either that or they prefer the Willow Creek model. :roll:

But I do agree with your basic premise.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: SDA4Life on July 26, 2008, 11:30:49 AM
What is considered "boring" will always be a relative subjective view. Today we ran a sermon in church by Steve Bohr whom I admire greatly. As you know Steve preaches with power but the entertainment factor is not there. One lady whom I am certain did not like the message "Testimony of Jesus" could hardly sit in her pew it was "so boring " for her. I do not think she would have been much bored with the presentation had the topic been different. I believe people are bored or fed according to what they are hungry for. Many are hungry for tickley things. A few are hungry for deep convicting things from God's Word. My question is... do we change the food to meet the apetite or do we give the strait forward message without softening the edges which in essence tends to entirely reduce the impact of the message ?

Iagree that "boring" is a relative term. Those out of touch with Christ (and in touch with the world) will find Bible based things boring.

I think that Stephen Bohr is one of the best presenters of Biblical truth in our church today.

There is a balance that all speakers need to strive for in presenting the scriptures. There is a great compilation called "The Voice in Speech and Song" I think that it should be studied by all who speak regularly. Also by those involved in music.

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By talking in a high key, the speaker detracts considerably from his usefulness. There are others who talk so low that their words can scarcely be heard. Another laborer will speak hurriedly, rushing his words one upon another. Half that he says is lost, for the hearer cannot take in the precious words coming from his lips. These are defects which should be overcome. --The Voice in Speech and Song p. 259
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on July 26, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
What can a person do if the sermon on Sabbath is really boring? Are there such things as boring sermons? Please be honest.

On the few occasions that I encountered such preaching I was too distressed to do anything but pray.  I kept asking the Lord to help me to focus and to even grasp one sentence that would make me a better witness for Him.  On one occasion, the sermon was so jumbled and disorganized that I never did get the 'one sentence', but I sure felt closer to Jesus since I spent practically the entire hour talking to Him. :lol:

I'm not sure how colouring would have been looked upon, considering my age. :wink:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: reaching4heaven on July 26, 2008, 07:35:48 PM
What is considered "boring" will always be a relative subjective view.

Although that may be the majority of the time, I respectfully disagree that it is all of the time. Years ago, from an aged elder who has long since been laid to rest, we heard a sermon about the number 4. It seemed like every single Bible verse that mentioned 4 was read. No correlation. He just liked the number 4. Nothing spritual added...just verses that said 4.

From Genesis 2:10 "And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads."

To Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Any one of the verses ould have made a good short sermon, but all strung together? :snooze: I was a relatively new SDA and didn't know what to do other than struggle to stay awake. He read them too fast to follow along in my Bible so there was no help there. And he went over time...I'm not too ( :oops:)much of a clock watcher but I was ready to run this time... During the sermon my husband whispered to me that it was the 2nd time he preached that sermon..  :lol: :cry:

I've also sat through sermons that are too technical and way too long. The subject matter was very interesting to me, but there is such a thing as getting too much information. It was more like sitting in an advanced theology class than a sermon.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on July 26, 2008, 08:11:37 PM
That's so true, r4h.  I can relate.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: reaching4heaven on July 26, 2008, 08:40:45 PM
My 4 year old knew right away what to do....color :wink:

Once I did that with my child to keep him quiet on an overly rambunctious day. I never thought about how it looked to the psator.  :| oops.  I did keep one ear on the sermon as best I could. During a boring sermon I would say it would be better to color than be "nodding in agreement" as I've heard snoozing during a sermon called... Although reading the Bible would definitely be the better alternative.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: colporteur on July 26, 2008, 09:05:29 PM
That's so true, r4h.  I can relate.

 Are you both saying that sometimes it is ok 4 the mind to wander?  r4h, he would have liked your pin name wouldn't he. I know, 4get it and get  O4 it.  4chunately since people O4 their 40's 4get alot I'll probably 4get all about this by tomorrow. That's enough 4 now.   :-D
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: reaching4heaven on July 26, 2008, 09:31:59 PM
Are you both saying that sometimes it is ok 4 the mind to wander?  r4h, he would have liked your pin name wouldn't he. I know, 4get it and get  O4 it.  4chunately since people O4 their 40's 4get alot I'll probably 4get all about this by tomorrow. That's enough 4 now.   :-D

 :uhoh: & :rofl: It's definitely past my bedtime. O4 and out!
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on July 26, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
Are you both saying that sometimes it is ok 4 the mind to wander?  r4h, he would have liked your pin name wouldn't he. I know, 4get it and get  O4 it.  4chunately since people O4 their 40's 4get a lot I'll probably 4get all about this by tomorrow. That's enough 4 now.   :-D


:rofl:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Raven on July 27, 2008, 03:09:50 AM
Now I know why I don't stay up as late as you guys.  Things can deteriorate rapidly after 9 p.m.  :-D
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: lily-of-the-field on July 27, 2008, 06:11:03 AM
What can a person do if the sermon on Sabbath is really boring? Are there such things as boring sermons? Please be honest.
If the sermon is really boring I still try to listen to enough of it so as not to be rude, and to make eye contact with the speaker.  It must be disconcerting for speaker - even a boring one - to see most eyes down.  I take to church with me the full testimonies in one volume, and it looks just like a medium Bible open on my lap.  I catch a paragraph here and there eg during children's story and some of the seated contemporary song service.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: colporteur on July 27, 2008, 08:49:21 AM
Now I know why I don't stay us as late as you guys.  Things can deteriorate rapidly after 9 p.m.  :-D

We didn't want you to be bored.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Raven on July 27, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We didn't want you to be bored.

That's nearly impossible on this "board."  :lol:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: reaching4heaven on July 27, 2008, 10:37:55 AM
Now I know why I don't stay up as late as you guys.  Things can deteriorate rapidly after 9 p.m.  :-D

It was that "unbridled jocularity" sneaking up on us again. 
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on July 27, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
My neighbours had a big 'dance' last night and sleep was not an option for me (DH and Sam sleep through anything)  .... 4chunately 4 me the 4um was alive and buzzing. :uhoh:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: newbie on August 01, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
What can a person do if the sermon on Sabbath is really boring? Are there such things as boring sermons? Please be honest.

The person giving the sermon must have felt that the people needed to hear the message and prepared it with much care and devotion.  We have quite a few guest speakers and each one has a different style and delivery that is unique.  That in itself, gives us variety.

If it is a topic we have heard many times, there is a challenge to see if there is something different that has been slipped in that we have not heard before. 

There have been a few times when I was a bit tired but blamed myself for lack of sleep or whatever rather than the speaker.  I certainly do not look to the speaker for entertainment but to try and stay focused, I take notes and write down all the scriptures and look them over carefully to be sure I understand exactly where the message is going. 

Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: El on August 02, 2008, 10:00:45 PM
The person giving the sermon must have felt that the people needed to hear the message and prepared it with much care and devotion.  We have quite a few guest speakers and each one has a different style and delivery that is unique.  That in itself, gives us variety.

If it is a topic we have heard many times, there is a challenge to see if there is something different that has been slipped in that we have not heard before. 

There have been a few times when I was a bit tired but blamed myself for lack of sleep or whatever rather than the speaker.  I certainly do not look to the speaker for entertainment but to try and stay focused, I take notes and write down all the scriptures and look them over carefully to be sure I understand exactly where the message is going. 


Newbie, glad to see your posting.  I guess that we can always be thankful that we can enjoy the religious freedom just to sit in the house of God and hear a sermon from any minister.  Under any circumstances, just being able to sit quietly in the service to hear anyone speak is a real privilege. 
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: newbie on August 02, 2008, 10:25:58 PM
Newbie, glad to see your posting.  I guess that we can always be thankful that we can enjoy the religious freedom just to sit in the house of God and hear a sermon from any minister.  Under any circumstances, just being able to sit quietly in the service to hear anyone speak is a real privilege. 
Thanks El, Glad to be back and yes, it was a real challenge today.  We just got back from a long trip and very tired and worn out but it just wouldn't feel like Sabbath unless we found a church that was still open to worship together.  In our part of the state, many of the churches joined together to have an outdoor combined church service at a park.  We are quite far away from that park and decided to find a church closer that was still having 'church.'  It was a blessing!  Heard this young man preach and boy was he on fire.  Felt energized as we left.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Pamela Adams on August 03, 2008, 05:40:27 AM
There have been times, I have noticed when on the platform, those who are under strong conviction when listening to a sermon will move about and almost cause a disturbance. I have a strong belief that when God is setting the table He does not provide us with empty calories, and that to me is the crux of the problem with boring sermons. I remember a pastor of many years ago who was so boring it was all that many of us could do to stay awake. After a Evangelistic meeting, he seemed to change. He confessed one evening at prayer meeting that after being a pastor of 20 years that he had not been converted and it was while working the evangelistic meeting and the approach of the speaker that he realized he was lost.  His preaching from that time on became vibrant and full of spiritual content.

It would be nice to be able to put an Ipod on and listen discreetly to a quality sermon[have felt like this a few times] and I use to read, but then I read a SOP quote saying this was not pleasing in God's sight. I do not remember where that quote is but since I have tried to refrain from doing so[not always successful]

I am sure in the sight of heaven it would be better for us to pray, pray, pray for these folks, and then pray for ourselves as we need to remember what Jesus would do.....
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on August 03, 2008, 01:46:35 PM
I am sure in the sight of heaven it would be better for us to pray, pray, pray for these folks, and then pray for ourselves as we need to remember what Jesus would do.....

Amen!

P.S. The presenter of the last boring sermon I sat through is now 'on the outside looking in' (temporarily, I hope). :-(
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: El on August 03, 2008, 03:39:35 PM
Amen!

P.S. The presenter of the last boring sermon I sat through is now 'on the outside looking in' (temporarily, I hope). :-(
Why is it that the presenter of the boring sermon is now on the outside looking in?  Was he doing his best or was the sermon unacceptable as far as the truth is concerned?.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Ruth on August 03, 2008, 03:58:23 PM
Why is it that the presenter of the boring sermon is now on the outside looking in?  Was he doing his best or was the sermon unacceptable as far as the truth is concerned?.

Sorry, El.  I wasn't clear enough.  He 'fell' from grace, and we're praying that he sees the need to recommit before it's too late.

I had made that note in relation to the matter of conversion that Pamela brought up.  It's been a tiring day...even people in their 30s have senior moments on days like today. :lol:
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Greg Goodchild on September 08, 2009, 10:27:25 PM
Yes, there are boring sermons. Boring sermons can sometimes happen to devoted men but usually not. Boring sermons usually come from boring relationships with God. Boring relationships indicate the lack of the Holy Spirit in the experience and needs to be corrected for all parties sakes.

With the above in mind I would start reading the Scriptures if the message is clearly not of God. I would also be praying for the speaker and for myself that we would both surrender to Jesus.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Deborah Risinger on September 09, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
Some do not have dynamic personalities...however, they may have great content.  We can all fall flat now and then. I am not sure painting with such a wide brush is wise. 

God's Blessings'
Deborah  :-)


Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Greg Goodchild on September 11, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
Some do not have dynamic personalities...however, they may have great content.  We can all fall flat now and then. I am not sure painting with such a wide brush is wise. 

God's Blessings'
Deborah  :-)




Some may have not dynamic personalities, and they may indeed have great content. Yet the love of Jesus should be so apparent that the sinner can recognize Jesus when He speaks through the person. So the great issue is the presence of Christ through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. Then all who come in contact with us will see Jesus in us the hope of glory.
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Deborah Risinger on September 11, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
My only thought of that would be....Elijah wanted to hear God...God spoke in a still, quiet voice. Elijah "choose" to hear God the way God choose to present Himself.

 :wink:
God's Blessings'
Deborah

 
Title: Re: What Does a Person Do?
Post by: Greg Goodchild on September 11, 2009, 03:23:55 PM
Apparently Elijah could recognize the voice of Jesus in the still small voice and he listened and obeyed.

The man of God listened to the lie of the false prophet and died because of it. I Cor 13

People listened to the wisdom of Solomon and were lead to build up the prototype of Babylon.

People did not "see" much in Yeshuah of Nazaretih, but when they heard the voice they listened and obeyed or grew angry and wanted to kill.

Paul was small of stature and not particularly imposing but had the words of life.